Scars of Partition: A Muslim and a Hindu walk into a dhabba to have a cup of chai, and all hell breaks loose

Published: September 28, 2017
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Our heritage, history, culture, food, music, festivals and many other similarities are clouded by hate. PHOTO: MUSLIM MIRROR/TWITTER

Recently, a video went viral on social media which shows a young Indian girl being physically assaulted by a female leader of India’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) for allegedly having tea with a Muslim boy in public.

मुस्लिम लड़के के साथ चाय पीने पर BJP की महिला नेता ने लड़की को…

मुस्लिम लड़के के साथ चाय पीने पर BJP की महिला नेता ने लड़की को सरेआम मारा चांटा, वीडियो हुआ वायरल

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This incident took place in Aligarh’s city of Uttar Pradesh (UP), which is one of the largest states in North India. The BJP leader who assaulted the girl is known as Sangeeta Varshney and she heads the women’s wing of the party.

When asked to explain her actions, she presented herself in front of the media and said that she does not regret the way she acted and would do it again if need be. In the video, she is seen to be slapping the 18-year-old, while yelling,

“Don’t you have any shame, do you think you’re that grown up? Can you not even understand who is a Hindu and who is a Muslim?”

Furthermore, the couple was brought to the police station for merely drinking tea together.

This video went viral shortly after the India versus Pakistan saga at the United Nations (UN). Sushma Swaraj blamed Pakistan for birthing terrorists and Maleeha Lodhi blamed Indian forces for using extreme violence against Muslims in Kashmir at this event.

In addition, diplomat Murk Aijaz addressed the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC) in Geneva to declare that India is now the ‘rape capital of the world’. Needless to say, relations between the two nations have heated up yet again.

While many Hindu and Muslim civilians get along quite well, Indian and Pakistani politicians have spewed venom in these very relations and aspects of life that connect the people of these two nations.

Our heritage, history, culture, food, music, festivals and many other similarities are clouded by hate, created by the governments of these two countries in order to keep things interesting in the South Asian region.

The Hindu-Muslim history has remained sour ever since the violence and atrocities that took place during Partition, but there is clear evidence that there are numerous people on both sides of the border who are rather fond of their neighbours. In fact, it is interesting to note that many South Asians (both Muslims and Hindus) in diasporic communities, away from India and Pakistan, seem to be great allies. There is a positive solidarity that is shared, and collective respect and support is shown to each other. Besides that, there is a large pool of people who condemn the conflict between the two religions and countries, preferring and hoping that peace will eventually prevail.

The religious clashes have become so deep-rooted that incidents such as the one mentioned above have gained mass momentum. In India, there are countless instances of Muslims being tortured and murdered by Hindus and in Pakistan, there are countless cases of forced conversions of Hindus. Both countries have their fair share of discriminatory behaviour, which I believe is a direct result of hyper-nationalism promoted by the nations’ governments.

Because of this nationalistic rhetoric, young people who do not see religion as an obstacle to connecting with people of the opposite religion, are often publicly shamed and humiliated for maintaining amicable relations.

We should take cues from popular Hindu-Muslim couples such as Shah Rukh Khan and Gauri Chhibber, Aamir Khan and Kiran Rao, Irrfan Khan and Sutapa Sikdar, Fardeen Khan and Natasha Madhwani, Sohail Khan and Seema Sachdev, Imran Khan and Avantika Malik and the very popular, Saif Ali Khan and Kareena Kapoor.

Ultimately, adults should be given the freedom to choose their friends and partners without being scared of the dire consequences. No one should be treated the way the poor 18-year-old Hindu girl and her Muslim friend were treated, just for publicly maintaining a friendship with each other.  The reactions shown by the politician were entirely uncalled for.

Moreover, registering a case under section 294 (participating in an obscene act at a public place) of the Indian Penal Code (IPC) against Faizan, her friend, made no logical sense either, especially since there was no “obscene” act being carried out; the couple was merely sitting together and having chai.

The fact that this case was registered despite the father of the girl deciding not to press charges against anyone involved in this whole scenario, highlights and proves the toxic mentality that exists amongst state representatives.

Muslims and Hindus need to move forward by ending this promotion of conflict between each other. Why isn’t there a collective effort by the citizens from both sides to join hands and work towards peace and friendship? Why are people surrendering to hate instead of welcoming love? Why does far-right consciousness take precedence over the acceptance of others?

There is no doubt and no denying that Muslims and Hindus share a very important and scarred history together, but the mentioned incident above is another example of amicable Hindu-Muslims relationship, proving that friendships do and can exist between the two.

Purniya Awan

Purniya Awan

The writer is a Gender Studies graduate from York University, has been nominated as a Global Shaper of the World Economic Forum, is a former member of Youth Parliament Pakistan and is a founding member of Courting The Law. She is a women's rights activist and frequently writes on feminist and human rights issues. She tweets @purniyaA (twitter.com/PurniyaA?lang=en)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • GKA

    In most Muslim countries, it is against the law for a Hindu to marry a Muslim unless the Hindu converts. BJP may not like cross religious marriages, but there is not a whimper of suggestion that the law in India should be amended to this effect.Recommend

  • GKA

    Very one sided article . When muslims were in power hindus use to pay a tax for being hindu – the Jaziyah. Sarnath was raided 13 times by Ghazni. Conversion was done by the sword. As late as 1906 the Aga Khan insisted that muslims should have representation based on historical importance rather than on the basis of universal sufferage. And then in modern times two nation theory was created.Recommend

  • wb

    This is not a Hindu Muslim issue. This is a Muslim, non Muslim issue.

    If India today is a third world country, it’s because of Muslims. If India did not have a single Muslim today, we would have beaten Europe by now.

    Also, if Pakistan is a failed state, it’s again because of Muslims. I
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  • wb

    Again, did you read what she wrote “We should take cues from popular Hindu-Muslim couples such as Shah Rukh Khan and Gauri Chhibber, Aamir Khan and Kiran Rao, Irrfan Khan and Sutapa Sikdar, Fardeen Khan and Natasha Madhwani, Sohail Khan and Seema Sachdev, Imran Khan and Avantika Malik and the very popular, Saif Ali Khan and Kareena Kapoor, and Sania Mirza and Shoaib Malik.”

    She conveniently ignored all those Hindu men who have married Muslim women.
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  • Bill Singh Chandpuri

    luvly people …hindus and muslims alike , we are desi birds before any religious divideRecommend

  • Yogi Berra

    I do not agree with what she is saying. The relations between Hindus and Muslims are completely fractured. Also there is clear cases of Love Jihad in India, UK and rest of the south Asia. In UK they call it grooming. Hindus cannot be expected to keep quiet when other party is indulging in unlawful activities misusing the freedom given by constitution. In such a volatile climate both Hindus and Muslims should stay away from each other. Because when they come together the sparks fly.Recommend

  • Yogi Berra

    I heard the same in UK. They blame rising population of uneducated, regressive and poor Muslims for the ills in their society. They say the country is run over by Muslim immigrants and causing hardships to local population and culture. Now Muslims in UK are demanding Sharia implementation in UK. In such a climate you cannot expect love between two communities. Even in Myanmar the news finally trickled down that the Rohingya terrorists killed innocent Hindus and Buddhists. so much for saving hapless persecuted Rohingyas.Recommend

  • Mark my words

    This is that time of the year when stupid articles like these crop up all over the internet. I have never seen a single muslim criticizing isis, al qaeda, boko haram, haqqani network, taliban etc. They point out a random incident and start preaching their sick and stupid ideology.Recommend

  • kulbhushan Yadav

    Let me ask author, how many Muslims of Pakistan would be OK if a Hindu man marry their daughter , sisters etc.Recommend

  • umair qureshi

    In pakistan hindus and muslim especially in lower sindh exist peacefully. infact many top bureaucracy, law enforcement and judiciary posts are occupied by hindus. some of my very very good friends are hindus and their religion never bothered me. learn to tolerate each other and live peacefully otherwise Pakistan and India will always remain 3rd world countries.Recommend

  • Naeem Khan Kansas. US

    How could you ignore the fact that Muslims ruled India for centuries and when the time came for them to rule the Muslims, the Muslims opted out of the union for good reasons. Indians never forgave and tried to dismember or hurt Pakistan at every juncture, 1971 is the ample proof. It was not Afghanistan, China or Iran which attacked Pakistan and dismembered it, if you forget that, you are doomed to be a slave nation. It was India which started the nuclear race in the Sub-Continent and forced Pakistan into going nuclear. Well, today is a different story now, they are involved in terror activities in Pakistan via Afghanistan but are successful diplomatically tagging Pakistan as a terrorist State around the world. They know and we know that 1971 will never ever be repeated, so they are using different methods to hurt the integrity of Pakistan. As a Pukhtun from K-P., I refuse to be identified culturally with Indians and their way of life and religion . Face it , they are dreaming of United India and to dominate the region but Pakistanis will not allow that dream to come true and this is the real bone of contention. Indians are mouthing constantly that they are economic power house but forgetting that during 60s and 70s Pakistan was considered far better than India economically. It is all about leadership and hopefully Pakistan gets leadership to surpass India because of our less progressive population. It is easy to manage 200 million than 1.2 billion.Recommend

  • Naeem Khan Kansas. US

    CORRECTION. ….. It is all about leadership and hopefully Pakistan gets leadership to
    surpass India because of our LESS BUT MORE PROGRESSIVE population. It is easy to
    manage 200 million than 1.2 billion. THANK YOURecommend

  • abhi

    I don’t understand how come Saniza Mirza and Shoib Malik are Hindu Muslim couple?Recommend

  • Anuj Bajpai

    How many muslim majority countries in this world gives equal rights to its minorities (non muslims). Can somebody answer me this. A muslim can live in a hindu majority area peacefully but a hindu can never live in a muslim majority area peacefully. This is fact and one should not hesitate in acknowledging this.Recommend

  • Parvez

    Even to think of what you wish for, is serious wishful thinking ……at best one can hope for a peaceful coexistence with each respecting the other…..if you ask me even that is wishful thinking.Recommend

  • Sania Mirza and Shoaib Malik are not a Hindu-Muslim couple, they are an Indian-Pakistani couple!Recommend

  • Suchi Baat

    It was started by a BJP goon and how it cannot be a muslim non-muslim issueRecommend

  • noora

    In India, there are countless instances of Muslims being tortured and murdered by Hindus and in Pakistan, there are countless cases of forced conversions of Hindus.EVEN AFTER 70 YEARS OF PARTITION,HINDUS FROM PAKISTAN ARE MIGRATING TO INDIA, ON AN AVERAGE 800-1000 OF HINDUS EVERY YEAR, AND THAT IS LEGALLY.How many muslims from india are migrating to pakistan, NONE. Percentage of minorities have gone up significantly and in pakistan it has gone down tremendously.Recommend

  • Santosh Menon

    I am Hindu but my wife is Muslim. Look @ your examples… Males are Muslim, but women are Hindus, I would like to see otherwise. The last couple are muslims.Recommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    Pakistan is indeed a third world country. The reason for this is NOT that it is a Muslim majority country, but that although most people have Muslim-sounding names, and ostensibly Muslim-appearing practices, but that at heart a majority remain NON-MUSLIM – mean spirited and vile. The origin of their evil practices are the carry-over from their non-Muslim inheritance.
    Pakistan needs an Aurangzeb Alamgir to make these Pakis real Muslims or to push them back to their non-MUSLIM origin. The Islam Republic of Pakistan does not need people with vile, odorous, atavistic tendencies.Recommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    With due respect I beg to differ. It is a HIND-HINDU issue: It is typical of Hindi people to try and label, a HINDU LADY SLAPPING A HINDU GIRL, as a Muslim-NonMuslim issue. There is no logic in your assertions.Recommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    Please read (or re-read) the History of Hind. The original people of Hind were (and are) not the Aryans that brought (and developed) Hinduism in the lands of Hind. The original inhabitants were an Australoid race. Then came a series Dravidian invaders; then came a continuous/series of Aryans invaders.
    Because these Aryans were committing atrocities on the older inhabitants of Hind, Qutb al-Din Aibak of Ghor, Mahmood of Ghazna, came to the lands of Hind to cleanse them. Mahmood went to Somnath to help the poor despised low cast Hindu’s to gain their dignity. Some of the local tyrants were indeed killed (in battles) but the low cast Hindus were so thankful to Mahmood that they converted to Islam, the religion of their liberator.Recommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    Different legal traditions have different permissions and different prohibitions. For example some Hindu legal traditions even do not tolerate the shadow of a low cast to fall on a Brahman – the low cast can be killed for such an offence. In the case of Islam, it does not allow Muslim females marrying non-Muslims (Hindu, Christian, Jewish, etc.). The prohibition is based on the integrity and sanctity of family life.
    The author of the article, either is ignorant of the rules, or just wants to present half the facts. The Muslim prohibition applies on Muslim – non-Muslims are not affected/effected by Islamic Law.Recommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    A Muslim woman in fact CEASES to be a Muslim on marriage to a non-Muslim. So, how can a Muslim woman be married to a non-Muslim? ?? ??Recommend

  • Patwari

    Agree with you. That is true.Recommend

  • Mali

    No ,firstly if India is third world country it because of the British ,if you want details please read An Era of Darkness: The British Empire in India
    by Shashi Tharoor .FYI A. P. J. Abdul Kalam and Abul Kalam Azad were also thier contribution to India’s development like many other Indian Muslims are invaluable.

    If India and Pakistan are falling behind in development ,please blame Corruption,nepotism and cronyism, don’t blame any religion.Recommend

  • Ravian

    Muslim rule in India was not like what is written in history books. Had it been like that, there would not have been 1 billion surviving Hindus in India. Invading Muslims would have put them to sword and turned them into minority. There are temples from Muslim era, even in Pakistan, where there are no Hindus anymore.Recommend

  • Ravian

    Muslim-Hindu integration is not possible. They need to learn to live side by side and tolerate each others’ existance. In Hinduism, the class difference forbids even intra-religious marriages. And Islam forbids Muslim girls marrying non-Muslims. Even Muslim men can only marry women from divine religions.Recommend

  • Sane

    This is baseless that Muslims in UK demand implementation of Sharia. Sharia is not yet implemented even in any Muslim country. Note that, as per constitution there is only one Hindu country in the world that is Nepal. While practically India is also a Hindu country. While there are 56 Muslim countries. Hatred against Muslims and other minorities is the main obstacle in development and progress of India.Recommend

  • wb

    A dozen contributors of tens of millions of regressive disruptors!! Why don’t you do the math and tell me which direction the overall contribution leans towards.Recommend

  • wb

    You don’t owe me any respect. This is a free for all forum. And to go a step further, it’s not only a Muslim – nonMuslim issue, this is also a Muslim Muslim issue.

    Is it any wonder Pakistan is a failed state?! By the way, unless somebody takes pity on you, in exactly 20 days your foreign reserves are going to be ZERO. You won’t be able to import even tomatos, let alone petrol.
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  • wb

    Sane, nice taqiyah and lies. Muslims in every country are demanding Sharia. Muslims in UK, Muslims in India, Muslims in Canada, Muslims in Australia are all demanding Sharia.

    Also, again, nice taqiyah and lies . Shariah is implemented in most Muslim country, including Pakistan, Iran and Saudi. It’s another matte that you Muslims fight among yourself so much on everything that you can’t decide which version to implement and which laws to implement.

    Agian, nice taqiyah and lies. Also, just like Maleeha Lodi, you appear to be incapable of doing simple google. Nepal is not a Hindu country. Nepal became a secular country in 2006.

    Only people that hate every religion including theirs own are Muslims. And in return, everyone else hates Muslims. Jews hate Muslims. Christians hate Muslims. Buddhists hate Muslims. Hindus hate Muslims. Sikhs hate Muslmis. Atheists hate Muslims.

    The amount of ignorance in your comments reflect upon the utter poor quality of education in Pakistan. Also, this explains why Pakistan is a failed state.Recommend

  • wb

    A Muslim woman can choose to be whoever she is because unlike Muslim husbands, other husbands do not force-convert their wives.

    And since Muslim husbands force-convert their wives, a Non Muslim wife ceases to be a non-Muslim. In fact, it’s Haram for a Muslim man to marry a non Muslm.

    So, you’re wrong as per Islam. Sorry that I tend to know more about Islam than you do.Recommend

  • wb

    Jamil, too much ignorance and nice Taqiyah. There is no such thing called as HINDU LEGAL traditions. There are Hindu traditions. But there’s nothing called as Hindu law, unlike Sharia. So, I just exposed you ignorance lies like we exposed Maleeha Lodi’s lies.

    By the way, the prohibition is based on Islamism. That’s the easiest way to force Islam upon others and that’s how Islam has spread over centuries. So, again, nice taqiyah. But won’t work.Recommend

  • Milind A

    Aurangzeb Alamgir was the cause of downfall of Muslim rule in India. Corruption flourished. Plague and endless/aimless campaigns ruined an other beautiful and prosperous Hindustan. Recommend

  • Yogi Berra

    Regarding India….you need not worry. India is fastest growing nation in the world today and will remain so for next 25 years. That is why UAE Amir came to India appeasing Indians. He pardoned all Indians jailed in UAE! Indians are also doing extremely well all over the world. second generation Indians are very powerful in US, UK and Canada. Many of Trump’s trusted aides are second generation Indians in US. Portuguese PM is of Indian origin. Irish PM is of Indian origin. Microsoft, Google, Adobe, American Express, Pepsi CEOs are all Indians. In UK Indians have highest per capita income after Jews. The world recognizes brand India.Recommend

  • Arunanshu M

    Love jihad is a reality in India. For all the bollywood examples of mixed religion couples that this lady gives, all are Muslim males, not one where a Muslim woman had married a Hindu. Recommend

  • Arunanshu M

    ‘Mahmood came to cleanse them’…what a historical genius..you must have been taught in the Pakistani school of history.Recommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    Talking about failed states, India failed in 1947, when Pakistan became an independent state.
    Coming back to the issue, One Hindu slapping another Hindu, and a third Hindu labeling a the incident as a Muslim-Muslim issue is proof-positive of lack of reasoning.Recommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    There is no force-conversion. Islam is blessed with a legal code. Forced conversions are illegal. Indian Law does not permit forced Conversions. So, Indians and Indian Law MUST BOTH BE effete, lacking in vigor, to allow forced conversions. YRecommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    The reason there are few educated Indians is simply that it is very difficult to educate some indians. If you Google “Hindu law”, you could find the following”
    (1) Sources of Dharma (2) Lawyers in classical Hindu Law (3) Punishment in classical Hindu Law (4) Outside India.
    While I am not a lawyer, I do have reasonable knowledge of Islamic Law, I have read a bit about Dharma/Hindu-Law and I do know a bit about Fundamentals of European Legal traditions.
    There is no such thing as Islam-ism. If Islam was spread by force/sward, there would be no Hindu by now left in the lands of Hind.
    CIA has not taught you enough. Take advance lessons in Islamic jurisprudence.Recommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    Bad treatment of Hindus, in Pakistan, is a violation of Islamic Law. Such atrocities are committed by those “MUSLIMS” who converted to Islam for personal benefit, but the Spirit of Islam, has not penetrated their souls. These are vile people, The death penalty should be used for such violation of HONOUR, of non-Muslim citizen of the Islamic Republic.Recommend

  • wb

    Dear Jamil, this is how you Muslims write history. No wonder. Do you by any chance know the story of Suphiya Bint Huyyay, one of your prophet’s wives?

    If you don’t know let me tell you. In the battle of Khyber which was led by your prophet himself, Huyyay Ibn akhtab, the leader of the Jewish tribe was murdered after torture, along with 900 other Jewish men. Their women were taken as sex slaves by your prophet’s army.

    Your prophet married Suphiya and consummated the marriage the same night. And your history tells us the story that Suphiya was so overwhelmed by the beauty, grace, courage and honesty of your prophet, that she gave herself to your prophet as his nth wife.

    Nice history. Now, think, think and think for a million years. Would any woman marry and consummate the marriage the same night with the same man who wiped out her father, her husband, her relatives, her extended family and her entire tribe?!!!

    Don’t give me an answer. You’re not that mature yet. Just think until the day you die.Recommend

  • wb

    Dear Jamil, can you show me one Muslim country in the world, in the entire universe that has achieved economic success with the strength of its people? One country?

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  • wb

    Muslims have not had a decent leader in the last 1400 years. Recommend

  • Rohan

    Please get rid of this obsession with Indian Muslims.And look after you ownRecommend

  • Abid Mahmud Ansari.

    You may talk what ever you like to satisfy your prejudice. Its known over the World that 30%poorest of poor of the World, are Indians,millions of Indians are born,grow stunted, and die on the footpaths of Calcutta,Bombay,Dehli,in this age of “incredible India”,110 million Indians,still don’t have access to electricity, 60% Indian male & females defecate outside their homes,because they don’t have toilets in their homes,so this is your Incredible India ? Recommend

  • Abid Mahmud Ansari.

    Writer is off the track,where she says that Hindu-Muslim relations got sour ever since the partition in 1947. Actually, it all started when the Britishers decided to pack up and go back. If you remember history, Quaid-e-Azam was the most popular elected Secretary General of Indian National Congress,he was given the title of “Ambassador of Hindu-Muslim Unity”.But then, intrigues of Gandhi-Nehru-Patel,started.If writer may find out, Jaswant Singh and Advani have mentioned in their biographies that this “trio” of Gandhi-Nehru-Patel was responsible for the division of India ,and creation of Pakistan. For such remarks,poor Jaswant Singh had to suffer a lot.Recommend

  • wb

    I don’t think you understand the meaning of a failed state. A failed state is one which cannot provide security to its own people, where people died in dozens on a daily basis simply because of terrorists. A failed state is one which cannot manufacture anything on its own and buys everything from outside. A failed state is one where it’s political system, democracy has failed. A failed state is one where military controls the governance and does a bad job at that.
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  • COLVINOD

    Have not seen some thing as stupid and bizarre as this. Recommend

  • COLVINOD

    Hey Mr. Mali you are wasting your time. If wb could read then or even think thenRecommend

  • COLVINOD

    Please stop and do not further expose your great knowledge.Recommend

  • COLVINOD

    go and do your tapasya in the mountains. do not waste time in worldly matters. Recommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    No, you are wrong. I did my Cambridge “O” Levels, then I did my “A” levels from the Northern Universities Joint Matriculation Board (Manchester); then I did my BSc from Salford (Lancashire), then I did my MSc from Nottingham, then I did my PhD from Durham. Recommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    The author appears to be a simpleton who writes either without sufficient knowledge of the subject, or is writing to please the controversy-creators. If she answers your question, she will be incriminating herself. Here is my two-cent take on the lofty topic.
    I am a Muslim and I would not like my sister or my daughter to marry a non-Muslim. I believe in my faith, yet I also believe in equal civil rights for all citizens. Equal civil rights is a gift of Islam; it was granted to the citizens of Mecca, it was granted to the citizens of Jerusalem, it was granted to the citizens of Granada. This is also what Quad-a-Azam proclaimed when he insisted on the existence of a Muslim nation in British India.
    Was it your name-sake who took up arms against the Islamic Republic?Recommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    Muslim people are under pressure. The political groupings like ISIS, al-Qaeda, the Haqqanis, the Taliban have created a space for themselves, because the Governments (the ruling classes, constituting less than 5% of the population) of the respective countries are more interested in looting their countries and depositing their ill-gotten wealth in Qatar, UAR, UK, Singapore, and USA.
    ISIS, al-Qaeda, etc., are desperate people trying to fight the ruling juntas in their own countries. America as a hegemonic power, is trying to maintain the status quo. Third class countries, like India, with no morals and of their own are kowtowing to the powerful, hoping some crumbs will fall their way from the table of the rich and powerful.
    The aims and objectives of the Haqqanis are right, only their means do the fit with the spirit of the times.Recommend

  • wb

    Just like Maliha Lodi, you Pakistanis don’t even know how to google and how to process that information properly. I can’t even begin to explain how ignorant and stupid you are.

    P.S. This Maleeha Lodi gaffe will haunt you Pakistanis till your country disappears. We’ll mock you every time you bring up google or internet. We’ll deride you and put you down. We’ll make you look like chums.

    Thank you Maleeha Lodi.Recommend

  • Yogi Berra

    Why? Actually I am highly motivated by the material things. I am moved by the money. I am hedonist the great!Recommend

  • wb

    Abid, When India got independence, 80% of India was poorer than Sub Saharan Africa. And we have reduced it to 30%. Can you even imagine and digest where we will be in the next 50 years? Now, can you even imagine where you will be? Do that, dear and if you are any sincere, you’ll not be able to sleep for the rest of your life.Recommend

  • Gratgy

    Since there is no force conversion, Then why do you protest Ghar wapsiRecommend

  • Arunanshu M

    In that case, I think your teachers would roll in their graves if they read youRecommend

  • Abid Mahmud Ansari.

    wb, your ignorance is not new for us,Pakistanis,all Indians are living under this illusion. Just listen to your own commentators what they admit on T.V shows. Pakistan is making so many things better than India, in quality, like,our Nuclear program is at least 10 years ahead of India, Pakistan has designed,started line production of its own fighter air craft,JF-17″Thunder”, while India’s LAC(Light Combat Aircraft) is still on its testing stage, failed in many tests,IAF will confirm it. Pakistan has made “Al-Khalid” tank,which is better than U.S and Israeli tanks,PAF had inducted F-16’s during early 1980’s, while India is thinking only now to have F-16’s, i.e. in 2017. Pakistani Textile has great demand not only in India,Bangladesh, but all over U.S, Canada, U.K.Come out of your illusions,Indians, you are lagging behind at many places.Recommend

  • COLVINOD

    You and the twisted arguments like “That is why UAE Amir came to India appeasing Indians.” as proof of fastest growing economy. Could not find a credible economist to support your claim? Well proof of pudding is in eating. Go and find out a middle class person or a farmer or worker who believes in what your multi billion advertisement campaigns are saying. Look at the figures of farmers suicides, closing or slowing production units, cursing traders and house wives, and then talk the gibberish you have been taught . Let all sadhus, yogis, mullahs, priests go to to their worship and pray for good of people and let the worldly wise run country. Those who neither have spouses, children and families will never know their problems. Every new day a new slogan and all chamchas shouting in unison will not work for long. ‘parwar wad’ is bad but cahtukarita wad is worst as all key positions are occupied by incompetent and undeserving.Recommend

  • COLVINOD

    And surely it seems to be the reason that you want all sadhus, sadhvis, sanyasi, yogi, yogini to establish Hindutva in reply to mad states of Muslim world. Why cut your nose to spite the face please.Recommend

  • COLVINOD

    And what a skewed thinking that we copy cat a fanatic stupid regressive history of revenge and not adhere to the teachings of our fore fathers and the saints.Recommend

  • wb

    Who told you that Pakistan’s nuclear program is 10 years ahead of India? The same agency that told you that Pakistan is winning the war on all fronts on 15th December 1971 and then laid down arms the next day?

    And none of the other things you mentioned are manufactured by Pakistanis. China gives you them and you claim it to be your own. Including your burraq!!!Recommend

  • wb

    I do want a Hindutva state, but not by Yogi or Sanyasi or Sadhu. I seriously doubt you understand what is Hindutva, otherwise you would not have asked this silly question.

    Hindutva is Sarve Janah Sukhino Bhavantu.

    Hindutva means equality for all. Shedding of caste system. Hindutva means no appeasement for anyone. A Muslim will have to study hard, work hard, and become a productive member of society to earn his respect.

    So, what is wrong with this Hindutva?Recommend

  • COLVINOD

    So happy to see that your views about Hindutva or Hindu way of life. I have been a student of Hindu philosophy and today I am sure you will agree that what is being preached and practiced and being used aggressively to capture political space is not the Hindutva that talked about. When you say “Sarve Janah Sukhino Bhavantu.” and I add ” Sarve santu niramayah” then do you think that in this “sarve Janah” Muslims, Christians, Boudh, Jains are not included. Is there no space for them? Is this “sarve janah” is conditional? Look around what is happening in the name of this neo Hindutva. People are being lynched, Muslims or Dalits or Hindus…. every body is caught in this wave of hate. Sadly, we say and preach some thing and practice some thing else. We are using majoritarian to gag any one and every one who does not agree with our views. In this melee your “Sarve Janah Sukhino Bhavantu.” is getting lost. No one cares for “Sukhino Bhavantu”Recommend

  • Yogi Berra

    Look I am doing great. My relatives, friends and people I know are doing great. There are people who may be not doing well. Either they are not properly skilled or not hard working. Look my theory all along has been we cannot take entire mob when a train leaves. We will have to leave lot of guys behind. That is the nature of this beast. I get accused of being insensitive when I tell this truth. I do not agree. I would call myself pragmatic. It is not written in any God’s book that entire mob travels first class and that too at the same time. Not gonnna happen what ever you try. It is 10% folks at a time….boarding the train.
    Good Bye. My next train is coming. Going somewhere exciting from this station.Recommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    With due respect the news was on BBC, VoA and Al-Jazeera, NYT, news. Neither newspapers nor Radio nor TV are permitted to publish such news (Indian Government being told to do that by CIA,).Recommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    Deranged people, and specifically those filled with venom, no matter what their creed, and no matter which part of the world they come from) really do hate Muslims. Some Muslim are also deranged and hate others, but most are free of this disease and stigma.
    I teach in a University and have come to know of the standards of 90% of the Indian Universities; they are abysmal. Mind you there are (10%) good Universities too.
    By the way, do learn the differences in law. Specifically man made laws and cannon laws. Man made laws are such that if tomorrow Britain becomes strong they can abrogate the Freedom of India Acts, and rule you as colony again. The superiority of the cannon law is that it does not allow amendments. Moreover, amendments are not necessary for the laws are based on the nature of man, by the one who made the man.Recommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    There is nothing wrong with Hinduism, except the that it treats 80% of the Hindus as base creation. And it based on classification at birth. Most non-Hindu people will reject this. Hinduism does not believe in equality. In these Blogs you have gone out of your way to abuse others, specifically Muslim, just to hurt them. Recommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    You knowledge of history and facts are manufactured invective. As I am an academic, I often check for facts before writing. Here is what the popular text readily available says about Safiyya bint Huyayy : “Among the captives was Safiyya bint Huyayy, daughter of the killed Banu Nadir chief Huyayy ibn Akhtab and widow of Kenana ibn al-Rabi, the treasurer of Banu Nadir. The companions informed Muhammad of Safiyya’s good family status, and requested him to accept her as his wife so as to preserve her prestige and status. Muhammad acceded to the request, and freed and married her.[49]”. Recommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    A goodly number of my teachers are alive and in good health enjoying the bounties of the Lord (including longevity). Some read my work: and say they that my knowledge of facts is irrefutable. Perhaps you communicated with those of my teachers who have passed away! Dream on, my boy. With advancing years, what now appears as dreams could become nightmares!Recommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    The expression “Ghar wapsi” is unknown to me. As I do not even know the expression , how could I have protested against it. Please stop accusing me for things I have not done .Recommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    Since you showed Googling tendencies, in one of the earlier responses (aftermath of the Battle of Khabar) I purposely used Google as the source of the my quotation could be checked
    And could it be that Indians are unable to get information from sources other than Google? Perhaps Indian are limited to Google on account of Poverty (money and thought). I do have a MSc in Computer Science and a PhD in Infomrmation Systems. I may or may not be a Pakistani, but do know many Pakis (and some Hindi) who are intelligent and get their facts from more reliable sources than Google.
    Ambassador Lodhi, did not fact-check. The picture she flashed was of another victim of barbarism – the Zionist variety. But India is copying, and on the same trajectory as the Zionists. The Zionists and and Hindi are partners in crime – killing innocent Muslim civilians and occupying Muslim lands. It is a solemn duty of all the world to roll back these occupations.Recommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    Sticking to the Muslim leadership in the lands of Hind, Kutub-ud-Din was pretty good, Mohamood of Ghor was pretty good; Babar was pretty good,Aurangzeb was pretty good, Mohammed Ali Jinnah was good; Zakir Husain was pretty good;Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed as pretty good; A. P. J Abdul Kalam was pretty good… This is only a very, very, ….. very short list.Recommend

  • COLVINOD

    I know you are in great hurry to get me off your back. But your theory that “we cannot take entire mob when a train leaves. We will have to leave lot of guys behind. ” is even more skewed. Have a system where every one is on board. And for God sake in your hurry do not leave the guard and the driver on the platform. And that is what you are doing.Recommend

  • COLVINOD

    ” Muslims in every country are demanding Sharia. Muslims in UK, Muslims in India, Muslims in Canada, Muslims in Australia are all demanding Sharia.” Read your true history not the one fed to you by guruji. Not the case applicable to India.Recommend

  • COLVINOD

    No commentsRecommend

  • COLVINOD

    The more I read you more baffled I get about your knowledge. All the attacks on India were not for expansion of Islam or Christianity. These were to loot the wealth or expand/establish the kingdoms. So to keep painting every attack as a war against Hinduism is a foolish theory. Please also consider that the religion of Indian Muslims is Islam but his history is the history of Indian subcontinent where his fore fathers were born, lived and at some point of time converted to Islam. And the history of ” Jambu dwipe Bharat Khande” is very vast and inclusive.Recommend

  • COLVINOD

    Your mind is polluted and full of hate. Love has no boundaries. Love jihad is a figment of imagination being planted to win elections and be fool simple peopleRecommend

  • COLVINOD

    Why are you soooo bewitched by Islam and become a copycat. You follow your own where no one was forbidden to marry any one and every one was to live as per his own way of life.Recommend

  • Yogi Berra

    Sorry Mate. That is not gonna happen. No ship could accommodate every one on shore. Check the history. So Stop dreaming and come back to Mother Earth.Recommend

  • wb

    Well, it used to. Not anymore. Today’s Hinduism is about destroying castes. Hinduism is an amorphous vast collections of ideas and philosophies. So, Hinduism is shapeless. It’s evolving. So, classification by birth etc don’t matter.

    So, I just destroyed your first point. I have never abused Muslims. But, I will continue to speak truth about Muslims. Because, factualy, Muslims are worthless people. They have only contributed towards the death and destruction of this world. So, it’s a fact and not abuse.

    So, what’s true cannot be abuse. By the way, Islam does not believe in equality. Take your own Pakistan, Punjabis, Mohajirs, Sindhis? Take South Asia, Ashraf, Ajlaf, Arzal? Take South Asia again, Pathan, Ansari, Syed, Kasai/Kasab? Shia, Sunni, Ahmadi? Deobandi, Dawoodi Bohra, Ahle Hadees, Ismaili, Sufi, Barelvi, Wahabi, Salafi, Hanbali, Ahle Quran, Tableegi?

    So, I just destroyed your second point.

    Do you have a third point?Recommend

  • Jamil M Chaudri

    I did reply to your (above) post, but Express-Tribune decided not to publish it. In my UNPUBLISHED posting, I tried to teach you knowledge classification systems, for what you have above is a mishmash, incoherent rants, all you do is display your ignorance.Recommend

  • cabalco

    ‘Ruled for centuries’ is just bad understanding of history. First of all the rulers who happen to be a particular religion doesnt mean the religion ruled, for example Alexander conquering land didnt mean pagans were the greatest conquerors of all time. Secondly and importantly no ruler covered all of the contiguous subcontinent. This warped historical view leads to the rest of the mistakes in your understanding like the words ‘slave nation’. When you think a set of people are destined, or like being or are always slaves, its prejudice, and once that is inserted you will always come up with incorrect resultsRecommend