I stand with Hanif: Jinnah is not a ‘hero’

Published: January 29, 2014
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We make our decisions in 2014 based on the thought processes of a man from a very old and different world. PHOTO: FILE

We make our decisions in 2014 based on the thought processes of a man from a very old and different world. PHOTO: FILE We make our decisions in 2014 based on the thought processes of a man from a very old and different world. PHOTO: AFP We make our decisions in 2014 based on the thought processes of a man from a very old and different world. PHOTO: REUTERS We make our decisions in 2014 based on the thought processes of a man from a very old and different world. PHOTO: REUTERS

No sooner had I finished reading Mohammad Hanif’s full interview with The News, that I dragged a carton of canned food into my basement and braced myself for a storm of nationalism that I knew would inevitably follow. And when, pray tell, have I ever been wrong?

A blog appeared recently, as scathing as one would expect it to be, blasting Hanif’s audacity to think that Jinnah really isn’t anyone’s hero. Mr Waqas bluntly implies that freedom of speech is limited to those who speak favourably of Quaid-e-Azam and the other heroes we have been assigned.

Indeed, if you have nothing nice to say about Jinnah, Allama Iqbal, Minar-e-Pakistan, Waar and meethi lassi, you must be prepared to relinquish your Pakistani identity and take a one-way trip across Wagah border into Amritsar.

The message is simple and one that resonates with many ‘patriots’ across the country – we are not a nation of independent thinkers who are free to choose our own heroes. We are a personality cult and our membership here is hinged upon our undying reverence for Jinnah, our beloved founder.

Before my own membership is threatened, I suppose I should immediately admit that I am a great admirer of Jinnah myself. No, I don’t say this just to ward off the jingoists. Pakistanis collectively owe a lot to Jinnah’s perseverance, leadership and wisdom. How much we owe him, can be estimated from the fact that the word ‘Pakistanis’ would not have existed in my previous sentence without him.

The problem, which Hanif was likely referring to as well, is that the nation is undecided as to who Jinnah was. We know of Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan, but Jinnah as a person is nothing more than a Rorschach test – an irregular blot of ink manifesting as a disciplined Islamic leader in one Pakistani’s dreams and a liberal champion of minority rights in another’s.

Because Quaid-e-Azam is the esteemed founder of our country and has been elevated to the status of the infallible throughout decades, it is easier for each of us to re-imagine him as being perfectly on board with our political ideology and religious school of thought.

That is more convenient than finding out who Jinnah really was. Imagine the horror of discovering that Quaid, the errorless, believed in things that are entirely contradictory to your worldview.

To save ourselves the anguish, our heroic Jinnah is a liberal right-winger standing up for secular democracy with an occasional martial law and equal treatment of all religious groups, except for Muslims who are to be treated with special privileges.

This hero isn’t real.

He’s a fantasy because he cannot be all those aforementioned things simultaneously. What’s worse is that we make our decisions in 2014 based on the thought processes of a man from a very old and different world.

What would Jinnah have said if he were here with us today?

“Who in heaven’s name is Twitter, you say?”

The Jinnah I believe in, would’ve been more outraged by the blind fervour of his inadvertent followers and their interpretation of his stance as sacred and timeless, than by freethinking writers like Hanif who do not believe in the accident of birth choosing their heroes for them.

The difference between myself and Mr Waqas is that I would not call him a ‘pseudointellectual’ and urge him to ‘know his boundaries’ when it comes to opinionating on personalities of national significance.

His perspective, ultimately, is as valid as Hanif’s and though I will state my disagreement, I will not try to impress on him that his freedom is ‘limited’, unlike mine.

Faraz Talat

Faraz Talat

A medical doctor and bubble-wrap enthusiast from Rawalpindi, who writes mostly about science and social politics (and bubble-wrap). He tweets @FarazTalat (twitter.com/FarazTalat)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Annie

    you have got to be kiddingRecommend

  • Interesting! Did you not react to Ejaz Haider’s write-up about Aitzaz Hasan exactly the same way that Syed M. Waqas did to Hanif’s point about Jinnah? Think about it, and then, if you have the intellectual honesty, confess to being wrong about Ejaz Haider as well!Recommend

  • Khushab Wala

    It looks like you wrote this just get some attention. Which is understandable.
    Some people will say or do something outrageous just for attention.Recommend

  • ISROFan

    Jinnah is my hero because he created Pakistan. But he forgot to take Mani Shankar Aiyar with him. Please take him to Pakistan.We don’t want him in India.Recommend

  • Mukhtaran

    wasted few minutes again.Recommend

  • Also, “His perspective, ultimately, is as valid as Hanif’s and though I will state my disagreement, I will not try to impress on him that his freedom is ‘limited’, unlike mine.” Not true! Assuming that that’s what freedom of speech means is incorrect. We can rationally choose which points of view to accept or reject; we just reject the forceful suppression of a disagreeable point of view when we believe in freedom of speech. You can very much call Syed M. Waqas out for having an invalid perspective; one that is not borne out by evidence or good sense.Recommend

  • Desi Samachar

    Pretty level headed argument. There are many facts about Jinnah which had been successfully mutated by Zia Ul Haq’s regime.Recommend

  • Critical

    I can write a huge write-up but I know I would do add a Picture meme

    Brace Yourselves!!!!Recommend

  • Hamza

    my dear friend , we dont judge a hero by looking into his personal life.
    Jinnah is a national hero, because of the things he did for others( and if you want a list i can give them to you).

    Stop mixing ones personal life with his professional one.

    and stop taking a opinion supported by a few people. and if you are one please try to provide good reasoningRecommend

  • ali

    100% agreed… i dont understand why some of us are so concerned about whether he was a secular or whatever .. people who right now ..As of this moment live in this country Matters!!! You and me not the man who died 60 odd years ago.. dont get me wrong i love jinnah.. but do i need to agree with whatever he said?? no!!Recommend

  • Dr shah

    But it would have made an interesting reading if the author could have at least tried to argue why Jinnah is not a hero?? 60 years old thought process doesn’t really make any sense at all .Old is Gold remember? and why do Chinese think Mao is a hero instead of just liking Jacky Chen? there are numerous such examples of great leaders who had a vision for their nations and therefore are considered heroes.

    Jinnah said work ,work and work(thought process).How do you think the west has become developed , yes the answer is work work and work.He stressed a lot on welfare of youth and that’s not the 50 million elderly people in India and china who have taken their economies onto another level , its the young and enthusiastic.

    If we could follow the principals this gentleman has laid down for us we’ll surely become a Islamic welfare state as he said and i quote
    “My message to you all is of hope, courage and confidence. Let us mobilize all our resources in a systematic and organized way and tackle the grave issues that confront us with grim determination and discipline worthy of a great nation”.

    Pakistan ZindabadRecommend

  • Rps Hundal

    I have a great regard for Mr. Jinnah. He the only saviour of Hinduism in the last Millennium. Without him and his vision, Hinduism would have been extinct. He is my hero. Salute to himRecommend

  • bigsaf

    > I would not call him a ‘pseudointellectual’

    That would actually be praise rather than an insult for Mr Waqas after producing such an unfortunate shoddy piece.Recommend

  • someone

    “And when, pray tell, have I ever been wrong?” You are kidding right? The hubris!Recommend

  • krat

    no wonder you are a medical studentRecommend

  • krat

    well if you really want newer ideals than how about the more recent ammendments by ziaulhaq or ameerulmomeneen nawazs sharifRecommend

  • pleb

    jinnah’s overratedRecommend

  • faisal

    Sorry, could not get your point other than that you agree to Mr. Hanif….. waste of time.Recommend

  • Arslan Sheikh

    It is how you see things, hate or criticize a person is the easiest act to do in the world. From Sir Syed Ahmed Khan to Jinnah to Liaquat Ali Khan, every single person that stood by for freedom is my and Pakistan’s hero!Recommend

  • taha

    Utter waste of words and time. Looks like a random script from your night diary Recommend

  • Dasti

    mine too !Recommend

  • Unknown

    If Jinnah is not your here, then kindly leave Pakistan and go to your beloved India.

    This article clearly indicates that the Pakistani medical doctors are unable to think beyond their nose. Years of rotting the names of diseases and medicine names halt their thinking capabilities and this is obvious in Faraz Talat.Recommend

  • Amna Sharif

    Whatever Mr. XYZ has said or is gonna say.. The truth remains, that Jinnah has made his mark on history…the sad point is that we are a nation of ungrateful crap of a people who when learn to distinguish A from B and when learn the meaning of the word Sec. Cu. Lar (secular) point our guns ( which we are so proud of) towards the man who is to date not only one of the most brilliant men of the Sub-continent, but also the only Real Leader we ever got and are likely to get.

    No number of words by any number of ungrateful people can change this fact that Jinnah lives on in our hearts. He deserved better then us. And God was mericful to him that He took him back just a year after this country ( which was soon to teem with ungrateful, undignified circus players) came into being.

    God bless Jinnah forever. Ameen.Recommend

  • Unknown

    rotting the medical terminologies, diseases names for 5 years halt their thinking capabilities and they are unable to calculate 2+2Recommend

  • Shahzad

    suggest you read Pakistan history where Ulema cannot decide under oath what is the definition of Muslim is, and liberally use Takfir to call each other Kafir, the only way forward is secular democracy. Please refer to link below ……http://www.scribd.com/…/Justice-Muneer-EnquiryReport…

    Justice Muneer Enquiry Report 1954 – English
    http://www.scribd.com
    Justice Muneer Enquiry Report 1954 – English

    Recommend

  • Umair

    Sorry to say my friend. You also talk the same as other do. If someone disagrees with your opinion you also oppose them. As to what Mr. Hanif has said it is his right he can say whatever he wants but if someone disagrees with him, which i think are in majority then why being upset about it even when you know what the consequences will be.Recommend

  • Feroz

    This issue is .like flogging a dead horse. Outside of Pakistan Jinnah is unlikely to have any admirers now or ever for multiple reasons. Jinnah and his ilk never fought for Freedom, never went to jail. They capitalized on the Freedom fighters impatience to attain Independence by actions that would have delayed the process indefinitely. Getting a Nation is a major achievement but where was the vision for any such nation. Confusion was compounded from the start.
    I am secular, but Muslims are superior.
    I am a Democrat but one man one vote is not acceptable.
    I am Muslim, it is OK to smoke, drink or have Pork.
    I can marry a non Muslim, my daughter should not.

    All this would be a mystery wrapped in a riddle which even his wife and daughter could not figure out, how would us mere mortals explain it. Pakistan has to move on and build a country on egalitarian lines in keeping with the times, forgetting who said what and when. Confusion should not be compounded, which is what any debate will do.Recommend

  • bigsaf

    JI Chief, Munawar Hasan, is in the news again, repeating his sick reverence for notorious Al Qaeda terrorist leader, Osama Bin Laden, claiming he lives in people’s hearts (maybe heartless extremists, but then they do make up a lot of the people). Oddly he also revered M.A.Jinnah in a Dawn commentary in 2012.

    http://www.dawn.com/news/741908/jinnahs-vision-by-syed-munawar-hasan

    Makes one fear exactly what he delusionally thinks and means by Quaid’s vision…In case I’m misunderstood, as Mr. Waqas did Mr.Hanif’s interview…I’m NOT drawing parallels with OBL. I’m highlighting MH’s contradiction, hypocrisy and dislike of Jinnah’s vision/lifestyle, despite trying to own him based on his revisionist ideology whether he realizes/admits it or not, like most Pakistanis.

    JI’s founder,Maududi, lambasted Jinnah’s lack of religious discipline and Pak’s ‘un-Islamic’ creation. Valid points. One can debate(forever). Jinnah displayed Muslim thought/belonging/inclination, despite purity/piety. Islamic basis was rights/welfare for India’s Muslim community/ummah (now divided), fearing persecution from unbelieving majority non-Muslim Hindus, echoes a historical Islamic epic.

    JI, now accepts Pak’s existence (pointless to deny after everything or in agitating the flock) but says it was founded as a theocratic state, disputing any secular point made in Quaid’s last speech/appeal by citing his religious charged slogans earlier (which isn’t unfounded). But JI is oblivious of Jinnah’s fondness of ‘the greatest Mussalman’,, hardline secularist Attaturk.

    And then there’s JI’s unease even on mention of Jinnah’s minority sectarian background (which creates a slow-mo horrified look or identity crisis for some who discover it). Something MH’s hero OBL would intolerate violently.Recommend

  • Talha Rzivi

    Only Pakistanis can debate and judge that. Cross-Border trolls have no right to comment or judge him. Asking an Indian about Jinnah is asking your mortal enemy to testify at your trial.Recommend

  • Danish Dilawar

    Brother let us speak, let the whole nation say ‘Muahmmad Ali Jinnah’ is my Hero ! We love Quaid-e-Azam. #freedomofspeech

    Doctor saab degree complete hojay to hero ban’na gareebon ka muft ilaaj kr k aur luxuries sy hat k zindagi guzar k.Recommend

  • Chitrali

    According to the twisted logic and reasoning of the author, Mr. Tolat…
    Gandhi, Mandela, Iqbal, Liaquat ALi Khan, Lincoln, Martin Luther King,
    George Washington [he owned slaves] Hammurabi [he wrote the code
    of Hammurabi, basic human rights, 3000 years ago] Hippocrates, he was a homosexual [ he wrote the Hippocratic Oath that all doctors take, ..all over the world ]… are not good enough,..for anything.Recommend

  • Optimistic

    what i don’t understand is that why do people have to make eveything so hard… if you wanna love and respect someone you MUST know every skeleton that he has his closet regardless of the fact that, that particular person is the reason you acutally have a passport and an identity to go with it…. i’ve read aloot of books on our QUIDE and i try to find as much as i can about him… but if a Pakistani loves and respects him i don’t believe he has to be an expert about him… what Pakistanis need is a pure Patriotic Spirit… And articles and interview of this sort aren’t a great help… A PERSON WHO ALTERED THE MAP OF THE WORLD IS DEFINATELY A HERO TO ME…Recommend

  • Shery

    Waste of time :PRecommend

  • abid

    lolz.. criticizing the personal attitude of a dead man is just nothing but a shameful try to demolish the charisma of that great hero.. it happens when a doctor tries to pretend being a “International Relations’ Expert”. You know what?? for a doctor “HEART” is just an instrument to pump the blood but in social life “HEART” is known as a feelings keeper…

    As for leaders who died… I respect them all despite their personal life. Jinnah, Mao, Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, all these people worked beyond the thinking of an ordinary man and got succeeded… who cares either they were liberals, rightest or leftest as long as they fulfilled their promisesRecommend

  • BlackJack

    Quote: Our heroic Jinnah is a liberal right-winger standing up for secular democracy with an occasional martial law and equal treatment of all religious groups, except for Muslims who are to be treated with special privileges.
    The irony is wasted – this is a brilliant line and, to my understanding, one that describes the man perfectly. In the same context, a word derived from one that Demosthenes used to describe Aeschines could also be justly applied (hint: the first half is a homonym of another Greek word meaning ‘river horse’.) Further, it is tragic that Jinnah is not given his due in India and, regardless of his motives, the obvious benefits of his actions should make him a deserving recipient of the Bharat Ratna for services to India. He probably hasn’t been of that much use to the country he created, but we must not ask for too much.Recommend

  • anonymous

    I don’t know who ask you to write blogs…..crapRecommend

  • Babar Khan

    backbiting + speaking ill of the dead ? You sir deserve a high five. To the face. With a chair. On fire. Covered in spikes.Recommend

  • Ali S

    My grandfathers – the sons of a zamindar – left hectares of farmland, an army of servants and a 1000 sq yd kothi in Uttar Pradesh to follow Jinnah’s dream. They arrived with empty pockets in Karachi, lived in shantytowns and now, thanks to their education and years of perseverance, live a comfortable middle-class life here. All their children were well educated and many (including my parents) moved abroad to afford us a comfortable lifestyle. But seeing what Pakistan has now become (and the treatment of Mohajirs in Sindh), my dada still occasionally reminisces that “agar hum wahan hotay to…”

    Jinnah belonged to British India’s Muslim elite (like much of his fellow Pakistan Leaguers) and he ostensibly believed that he was doing something important for his fellow Muslim brethren and – perhaps more importantly – was an extremely ambitious man who wanted to carve his name and image in history and the minds of generations to come (which he did successfully). I doubt he thought much of where his nation – one that is founded on the fundamental assumption that people of different religions (Muslims and Hindus) are incompatible with each other – would end up 66 years down the road.Recommend

  • Saad

    I guess many people here do not know the technical definition of ‘hero’. Jinnah was the greatest in terms of vision and leadership, yet there is no substance that would label him as hero.

    Secondly, this is a blog. The author has his opinions, as do you and me. Stay calm and move on to the next articleRecommend

  • Faraz Talat

    Thank you for fortifying my argument with a demonstration on ‘cult mindset’.

    My point was more subtle than a one-liner “Jinnah is not a hero”, and I did give the reasons why that is so. It is because Jinnah, as we seen him, is non-existent. Beyond the fact that he was a leading force behind Pakistan’s creation, there is very little that we agree on about his political of religious ideals.

    Does this nation truly look like one that has embraced the ideals of “Unity, Faith, and Discipline” of it’s supposed hero? Or is it just using him as a nationalistic icon, a sitara on the flag, and absolutely nothing more.Recommend

  • Faraz Talat

    Yes. Where did I disagree?

    Waqas can disagree or criticise Hanif. But he cannot insinuate that Hanif does not have the ‘freedom’ to make that disagreeable statement.Recommend

  • AZ

    Oh for God’s sake
    Hanif despite being a writer worded his thoughts very stupidly
    He’s not ANYONE’s hero is a stupid statement on Hanif’s part. Maybe ‘He’s not what the popular narrative makes him’ or ‘Most people aren’t even sure who their heroes really were like’ things he mentions later on put what he said in context. That single statement though is idotic on it’s own.
    He was criticising the masses view of Jinnah and not Jinnah himself true but it also seemed like he COULD have been suggesting Jinnah is not worthy of the praise/a hero’s position.
    You do the same when you put the sarcastic apostrophe on the word hero and not Jinnah. There’s the ‘Jinnah’ of people’s imagination and then there’s the actual Jinnah, the man himself who deserves respect and praise for creating this country.

    As far as freedom of speech is concerned, Hanif should be free to say what he wants but similiarly we can’t stop people from reacting or interpreting what he said. At most he can clear up any misinterpretations. He shouldn’t be silenced but he shouldn’t be free from the public’s opinion either.Recommend

  • Anwaar

    The treatment of Mohajirs in Sind” ? how about treatment of Baloch and pathans in Pakistan?Recommend

  • Real-time Issues

    Go to Bed guys…. Got some serious issues in our country that need to be addressed asap…..
    Rather than writing and reading these illogical 5 -Minute time waster Blogs!
    No dis-respect….. But grow up.Recommend

  • Parvez

    Always good to read you…….possibly if you had kept it a bit more simple, more straight forward, it would have read even better.Recommend

  • Nandita.

    ET :wow. How did this comment get approved by the mods? How could it possibly be within the guidelines?Recommend

  • Dr shah

    So what u re saying is that as a nation we failed to achieve unity faith and discipline and that doesn’t make Jinnah a hero? Does that make us a hero ??
    And to be honest I don’t care what his religious believes and political ideals are( we don’t judge people in today’s thought process ) .thats something personal to him . He is my hero for what he has done for the people of this country .
    What have u done for your country ? That’s a million dollar question to ask yourself .
    Recommend

  • Dr shah

    So what u re saying is that as a nation we failed to achieve unity faith and discipline and that doesn’t make Jinnah a hero? Does that make us a hero ??
    And to be honest I don’t care what his religious believes and political ideals are( we don’t judge people in today’s thought process ) .thats something personal to him . He is my hero for what he has done for the people of this country .
    What have u done for your country ? That’s a million dollar question to ask yourself .
    Recommend

  • Dr shah

    And that ‘cult mindset’ is called nationalism . Recommend

  • Risalpur wala.

    Mr. Tolet,.. if, and when, you are able to acquire your
    degree, please export yourself ASAP,.. to some other country.Recommend

  • Hasnat Sheikh

    I agree with you that different groups use Jinnah’s personality as a symbolic interpretation of there own beliefs.From the left to right wing all sorts of parties use his picture in their campaigns,We aren’t even sure of his sect ..but how does that support that Jinnah isn’t a hero ? he did give his all for our freedom ,we may not be clear on his ideology and ambitions for his country but our vague interpretation or better yet ,our hypocrisy is our fault.He still is the hero that got us free…Recommend

  • Momin Imran

    If I was a politician Jinnah would be my role model. Not because everybody believes he is a hero, but because he was a clever politician.

    I totally agree what Faraz has said in this very short article. I’m pretty sure, people saying wasted a few minutes haven’t even read the article or haven’t got a clue what it meant.Recommend

  • Alee Jaff

    Aoa…Dear Kid! Few things attributed to him by history may be wrong….He had Qualities as well as shortcomings…He was a man..Not Angel……. But Pakistan is a living proof of his efforts worthy enough to call him a ‘Hero;…. He ruined his comfort, health, personal life for the country and there are people like u who just plainly say ‘

    Jinnah is not a ‘hero’ ….

    Importance of Freedom can be felt once u don’t have it… Live in a Non-Pakistani society and let me know if u feel completely comfortable and at peace…and Don’t miss ur country…!

    Learn to say Thanks to people who did good to u n need Not to be carried away by ideas of ‘Hollow intellectuals’ … U are a mature man … Review ur ideas… and write again to say sorry for u just composed,,,,,Recommend

  • Aamna Hassan Fasihi

    One man’s tool is another man’s weapon. When the prime time talkshows were discussing if Hakimullah Mehsud was a ‘shaheed’ I instantly thought of this thing. One nation’s hero is another nation’s villain. Jinnah may be a hero to us but for those who wanted a united India, he would always be a ‘Yahoodi Sazish’. The best interpretation of Jinnah could be, that exceptionally adept lawyer who assisted Muslims of the Subcontinent to win the case of a separate country. The lawyer has nothing to do with what his clients do after they have won or lost a case. Besides, Jinnah is not among us nor will he ever be. He also isn’t listening or reading, he once said ‘Islam has taught us this and I think that you’ll agree with, for wherever you may be and whatever you are. You are a Muslim, you belong to a nation. Now you have carved a territory for yourself. It is yours. It doesn’t belong to a Punjabi or Sindh, Pathan or Bengali. It is yours’ (21st March 1948). He didn’t want Pakistan to be a theocracy nor a secular state. He just wanted to create a country.Recommend

  • Aamna Hassan Fasihi

    So what was Jinnah’s fault in that? Confused!Recommend

  • Aamna Hassan Fasihi

    Exactly, I mean the man died one year after Pakistan’s creation. He’s a hero for doing that but that doesn’t mean we always have to look up on to him. He died more than 6 decades ago and still we’re arguing if he was liberal or conservative and whether Pakistan should be named Republic of Pakistan or Islamic Republic of Pakistan.Recommend

  • No Justice Please

    If Liaquat Ali Khan and Jinnah are Pakistan’s answers to Gandhi, Mandela, Lincoln, Martin Luther King, George Washington, Hammurabi, and Hippocrates, then Pakistan’s future does not look very good. A Pakistani.Recommend

  • Faraz Talat

    No. It means that we respect him as a national icon, but not as a hero whose ideals are to be followed. Like Hanif said, people like rebels more than disciplinarians.

    Political ideals are, by definition, not “personal” and open to public praise/criticism. For instance, Imran Khan’s stance on drone attacks is not a “personal” policy. In this country, religious ideals are hardly personal either (although they should be).

    Also, this is not a competition between me and Jinnah on who has done more for this country. Obviously, he wins. The object of the piece is something else entirely.Recommend

  • Faraz Talat

    Interesting point. The answer is ‘no’.

    I did not tell Ejaz Haider to “know his boundaries” or imply that he cannot practice his freedom of expression to say the things he said about Aitzaz. I simply critiqued his work.

    Syed M. Waqas compared calling Jinnah “not a hero” with praising Hitler. He didn’t just criticize Hanif, he questioned his very right to give those allegedly negative opinions about Jinnah. That was inappropriate, and indicative of a cult mentality.Recommend

  • Faraz Talat

    I’m Pakistani.Recommend

  • Faraz Talat

    Sarcasm. Not a fan?Recommend

  • Unknown

    He wasted the money that was spent by the nation on his medical studies and have started to write blogs and defaming Jinnah. Recommend

  • Unknown

    So all the people who go to jail are your heroes. Stupid logic.Recommend

  • Unknown

    Only In Pakistan, stupid people can criticize the father of the Nation. If Faraz had written against Queen or some old king in UK or against Ghandi in India, the newspaper along with the writer would have been sued and banned.

    azadi of this paid media is trying to destroy Pakistan.Recommend

  • Faraz Talat

    You already hit me with that grammatically incorrect swipe about “rotting names of diseases and medicine” affecting my cognitive function, earlier in the section.

    You didn’t have to make the same comment twice. Get creative. Find a new way to burn me.Recommend

  • Unknown

    Why not you go in UK and criticize the Queen? Only then You will come to know the meaning of the freedom of speechRecommend

  • Asad

    To criticize a man of Jinnah’s stature you have to have researched for a very long time so that you develop thought process to judge such sensitive topics neutrally with knowledge of all parameters, you on the other hand study medicine but want to criticize Jinnah, but this is in fashion these days.Recommend

  • Faraz Talat

    Opposing something you say, is acceptable. Opposing your ‘freedom’ to say it, is unacceptable.

    The latter is what Mr. Waqas tried to do, and I responded accordingly. It’s like I wrote in the end:

    “His perspective, ultimately, is as valid as Hanif’s and though I will state my disagreement, I will not try to impress on him that his freedom is ‘limited’, unlike mine.”Recommend

  • Nero

    My readings show that Jinnah was exactly what you described his caricature as – “a liberal right-winger standing up for secular democracy with an occasional martial law and equal treatment of all religious groups, except for Muslims who are to be treated with special privileges”. He took up all these positions at different times, depending on the audience. He was a erudite smart lawyer hell bent on “winning”. But, like most great lawyers, he had little appreciation of the fact that winning a case and building a nation are two different things.Recommend

  • moz

    What?? did he post a porn video?? Cuz that wud get him a lot of attention. Jinnah is no hero, nor a god. He was a politician, and like other politician he is susceptible to criticism.Recommend

  • Amrita Yasin

    lol whatever country you are born in will give you a passport and identity…..that you like it or not is another issue…..just like religious minorities aren’t proud of their Pakistani identities, and rightfully so. Also, merely altering something isn’t a big deed, for the good or the bad is the question.Recommend

  • gp65

    Very well written. Just so you know Iqbal and meethi lassi are popular across the border as well. Iqbal’s song Saare Jahaan se Accha Hindustan Hamara is a national song of India and invariably sung with great gusto every single Republic day.Recommend

  • gp65

    To be fair to Faraz, though he expressed his dismay at that article and explained his rationale for the dismay, he did not ever state that Ejaz did not have the right to express his opinion. It is the right to express opinion that Faraz is arguing for.Recommend

  • gp65

    This article is not about whether Jinnah was a hero or not. It is about whether different people in Pakistan can have a different view about whether he was a hero or not. Further do they have the right to express that opinion.
    Do explain why you think Indians are not entitled to an opinion on Jinnah? DO you not have an opinion about Mujib-Ur-Rahman?
    FInally do read @BlackJack’s statement. His feelings probably reflect many Indians. We may not agree with the Two Nation Theory that two people of different faiths cannot live together and may even mourn the millions of Hindus and Sikhs who were killed in partition just as you mourn the Muslims who were killed. but yet are very glad that Pakistan is a separate nationRecommend

  • pakistani reality

    how can I consider him or alama iqbal a hero when they not only defended but praised the murder of the publisher of “Rangila Rasul”? They were fanatics wearing suits and foreign education but inside they were just like the talibans of today, who have no problem in praising Osama bin Ladin and people like him.Recommend

  • Unknown

    If Jinnah is not a hero then why are you living in this country which is nothing but the result of hard work of Jinnah. It is the result of Jinnah’s ideals that you are living a free life otherwise you would have been polishing the shoes of some Indian in India. You are hurting our feelings with your so called freedom of speech. This type of freedom of speech you can only execute in Pakistan (Jinnah’s country), in UK, India, Europe, you would have been kicked out of country on exercising this type of freedom in which you hurt the feelings of whole nation by attacking the father of the nation .Recommend

  • Asad Ali Gondal

    i admire the replies from Dr shah, uknown and others. There is no doubt hanif, faraz talat and other people having the same mindset are traitors and they must be kicked to india or into indian ocean. Pakistan is our beloved country given to us by our great quaid e azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah. Traitors like hanif, faraz talat and the followers must love it or leave it.Recommend

  • Ibrahim

    People can criticize Jinnah, like any other human. He was not perfect and might have had some views you do not agree with, but his role in the establishment of Pakistan is undeniable. Most of us couldn’t achieve half of what he achieved in his life.Recommend

  • Joker

    Why anybody, who doesn’t consider Jinnah as a hero, has to go to “your Beloved India”?Recommend

  • Joker

    Hahahahahaha you’re a funny man.Recommend

  • Faraz Talat

    I agree, the piece is a bit oblique and esoteric. And the title (not my choice of words) is somewhat misleading.

    But this is probably as simple I could’ve put it, considering that the point I’m trying to make is a little complex itself.

    Thanks though!

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  • Asad Ali Gondal

    O please, just stop it. you are confused. This statement from you doesn’t make any sense after you exposed yourself by reflecting your thoughts through your article and comments made in replies. Pakistan will be pak if people like you, hanif and followers can be kicked out from Pakistan into india or into an indian ocean.Recommend

  • Dr shah

    Okay let me rephrase my question as it was taken in the wrong context. The question is what have we done for our country ? And it’s for all of us !!!
    Leaving your mark on the map of the world is legendary in itself. Obviously he didn’t do it alone and our forefathers played a huge role in it. But to mobilize such a huge number of people and channel their efforts in a coordinated manner leading to the creation of pakistan must require extraordinary leadership skills . Hero by definition is ” a person who is admired for their courage , outstanding achievements or noble qualities” and you don’t necessarily have to follow him.
    Would you kindly care to shed some thoughts on which parts of his political ideals do you not agree with ?
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  • Faraz Talat

    It’s not his fault, and I did not imply that it was.Recommend

  • Faraz Talat

    British citizens are free to criticize the Queen. Ever been to Hyde Park?Recommend

  • gp65

    Not stupid at all. They were not convicted due to tax fraud, robbery, thievery or violence. They were convicted for their politicial beliefs and did not back down. Their jail terms are testimony to the fact that they resisted the British empire which no one in Muslim League did as is evident from the fact that not one Muslim league member went to jail for a single day during the freedom movement.Recommend

  • check your facts

    No. Newspapers that criticize Gandhi are not banned in India and not sued either. There have been plays and movies that focused on Gandhi’s weaknesses and there was no problem with that. SO you just have your facts wrongRecommend

  • make up your mind

    It is interesting that when @gp65 mentioned that Gandhi and Nehru were subject to criticism in India despite most people acknowledging their contribution, you somehow interpeted that to be a criticism of Pakistan where people could not criticize Jinnah though she had made no such assertion in her post. You challenged her then and implied that free speech was alive and kicking in Pakistan. Now it looks like you have reversed your position and feel that anyone criticizing Jinnah is a traitor who ought to be kicked out of Pakistan. Make up your mind.Recommend

  • gp65

    I think that by ‘rotting’ he perhaps meant to say mugging up or trying to memorize through rote.Recommend

  • Son of the Soil

    I was not a pak because of Jinnah, as we have been here since centuries.Maybe, you may be polishing shoes but we were traders, judges,administrators & Zamindars before Jinnah was even born.In India Moslems have been Presidents of India with no martial laws ora martial race to rule them & even jinnah tried his best to have a united India but his politics viz a viz Nehru, messed up the sub-continent. Truth is bitter.Recommend

  • dick

    Why should he ? He is Son of the Soil.Settlers normally leave to the graveyards of their ancestorsRecommend

  • Dante

    He most likely will end up leaving the country. “Doctor”, you know.Recommend

  • Talha Rzivi

    I know I was talking about the commentators here dude.Recommend

  • UcchaSingh

    Talha , This is the Indian land on which Pakistan is founded by Jinnah plus him and you Pakistani left millions of poor , illiterate Muslims across the border. Indians have all the right to express view on their lost land while Pakistani as children of Arab, Irani, Afghani, Tajiki, Iraqi, Egyptian,Yemeni, Unbeki ,Azeri and others have no such moral right and obligation except to invite the left behind Muslims in India to Pakistan.Recommend

  • Enkay

    Faraz Talat : You have sadi “you must be prepared to relinquish your Pakistani identity and take a one-way trip across Wagah border into Amritsar.” Why do you have to go to India. There are over Fifty Islamic Countries for you to emigrate to from Pakistan. PeaceRecommend

  • M

    I hope all the haters commenting here realise the irony of how they’re only fortifying your point further!

    One thing I should like to add though: I understand your point about how religiously following a generations-old mindset is illogical. But the average Pakistani usually quotes Jinnah to emphasise on how we haven’t even reached the point where could think like him, and THEN advance further.
    The “Jinnah ka Pakistan” statement doesn’t keep us from progressing intellectually. It only reminds us of how far we still have to go. Recommend

  • Naveed

    What a great article. Keep your pen busy.Recommend

  • http://chmshoaibmian.blogspot.com Shoaib Ch

    Simply say u foolish Idiot that now u just have this freedom of speech because of Jinnah’s effort ….and if u are in India and you are Muslim you can drink meethi Lassi but not the MEat of Cow because it was their God and i salute Jinnah and all leader whose effort give us this Independence Recommend

  • Stranger

    There was / is no need to separate.If nothing , then at at least We could have been miserable together today as one single subcontinent entity.but ‘together’ – mind you.Recommend

  • Chandio

    In the books by the great sindhi leader the G.M Sayed, he has mentioned that Jinnah used to drink whisky and used to eat pork in the parties with his British friends. That fact is mentioned in the books written by Jinnah’s British and Indian friends too. Jinnah was not an ideological leader, he was a leader by coincidence of the circumstances at the time. There was no ideology behind muslim leangue movement itself neither was any philosophical or ideological background of mr. jinnah. Had the British not decide to quit India Jinnah would have not been able to partition india up to date.Recommend