Was the creation of Pakistan a mistake?

Published: September 7, 2013

A picture taken in October, 1947 shows wagons packed with Muslin refugees fleeing to Pakistan by train in the border city of Amritsar, at the start of the first India-Pakistan war (October 1947-December 1948). PHOTO: AFP

Over the years, I have come across many people who believed that Pakistan should never have been created. Keeping today’s lawlessness and corruption in mind, I often feel that they are indeed right.

However, amongst the many reasons given to me by such individuals for Pakistan being a mistake, one of the most prominent is that had India not been divided then, Muslims today would have been the largest religious group in the subcontinent. Such statements are misguiding as these people are misinformed.

Currently the population of Muslims in the subcontinent is 510 million, with roughly 180 million each in Pakistan and India, and another 150 million in Bangladesh. Had partition not taken place, the subcontinent’s total population would have been 1.7 billion (including the Muslims in India, Bangladesh and Pakistan).

Therefore, 510 million Muslims in the total population of 1.7 billion would mean that Muslims would have been only 30% of the total population. Keeping these statistics in mind, surely Muslims would not have been as powerful in a United India as they are today with Pakistan or Bangladesh (where Muslims are more than 90% of the population in both countries).

So, was the creation of Pakistan a big mistake?

Let me tell you a few stories I heard from my father.

My father, when he was alive, often used to tell me of the hardships Muslims had to endure in the pre-partition India. Most restaurants were out of bounds for Muslims. Thus when my father and his friends desperately wanted to eat at such restaurants, they would walk in and ask,

“You’re sure Muslims are not served here?”

The owner would reply,

“Muslims and dogs are not served here.”

And my father and his friends would then eat at such eateries, pretending to be non-Muslims.

In geography text books of those times, prescribed for schools in Kathiwar (present day Indian Gujarat), the regions comprising present-day Pakistan and Bangladesh were described as having climates which were “unsuitable for industrialisation”, because they were Muslim-majority areas. Hence the non-Muslims would set up textile mills in Ahmedabad and jute mills in Calcutta, even though cotton was produced in West Pakistan and jute in East Pakistan (present day Bangladesh).

Muslims were thus condemned to be peasants, and this would not have changed even if India had remained untied. Proof of this is that the first textile and jute mills in Pakistan and Bangladesh were set up by Muslim refugees after partition.

During my college days, a relative of mine brought back a book from Mumbai (former Bombay) on how to write good letters for job applications. The letters began with the words, “I am a Brahmin, 25-years-old,” or “I am a Jain,” or “I am a Christian” and so on. In that whole 200-page book, the word “Muslim” did not even occur once. One could easily have concluded that Muslims had become extinct in India.

Back in 1976, I was supplying fuel oil to ships at Karachi port. I would come across people of many ethnicities and nationalities serving in the ships. There were Muslim officers and engineers in ships of practically all countries, except those of India. Once I asked a Parsi engineer on an Indian ship,

“How is it that on your ships there are Christians, Parsis, Sikhs and Hindus, but no Muslims?”

“Indian Muslims don’t like to work on ships,” he shrugged and replied.

Therefore, did Mr Jinnah make a mistake in almost single-handedly creating Pakistan?

Perhaps it may appear so to some, particularly those who had to leave everything behind in India and flee to the new country to save themselves and are still suffering on their new land of the pure. But on deliberation and keeping facts in mind, I personally believe that the emergence of a new country for the Muslims of the subcontinent was perhaps the best thing to have happened in recent history.

Looking at the pitiable condition of Muslims in India (not every Indian Muslim shares the same fate as Shahrukh Khan or Salman Khan), I believe that my parents took the right decision in 1947 and migrated to the new country. Had they stayed in India, they would surely have been killed by wild mobs, who were indulging in indiscriminate killing of Muslims.

Shakir Lakhani

Shakir Lakhani

Engineer, teacher, industrialist, associated with petroleum/chemical industries for many years. Loves writing, and (in the opinion of most of those who know him), mentally unbalanced. He tweets @shakirlakhani (twitter.com/shakirlakhani)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Kappa

    Hmmm….If 180 million muslims currently in India are allowed to separate from India to form a country, and Kashmiris are allowed to form their own country, there will complete harmony and peace in this region.Recommend

  • Seema

    Why don’t you ask Indian Muslim leader Akbaruddin Owaisi what the situation is for Muslims in India today. Here’s a speech by him explaining it:

    http://tune.pk/video/33477/Akbaruddin-Owaisi8217s-hate-speech-at-Nirmal-Adilabad-Dist-Full-Length-VideoRecommend

  • http://na deep

    Who was the author of that book on how to write good letters? And what was the title of that book? Would be grateful if Mr. Lakhani could respond to those questions. As for him not wanting to be one of victims of our anti-minority pogroms, I think that is fairly understandable and I think both countries should concentrate on treating their minorities better. Recommend

  • Fahim

    Not every muslim suffers in India, otherwise India would have become dead country..the biggest mistake pakistanis do is that they believe that muslims in India are done and dusted. The article you mentioned by Aaker Patel (which suggest muslims living standards at 32 RS against hindus of 37RS) is certainly correct but the difference between hindus and muslims are not that dire as you are trying to project.

    Lack of education would keep any community away from prosperity. I want to compare the security situation in Pakistan with India and conditions of minorities in both countries and you know what I am talking about.

    Forget about minorities, if 90% of pakistanis are muslims why there is so much bloodshed and killings. Compare living standards of Pakistani muslims with Indian and I am sure you will find good answer.

    Your parents were happy to leave country but there were millions (including my grand parents) who didn’t migrate and they did well. For few unfortunate riots and selected hatred towards muslims doest not mean all indians are like that.

    Thanks,Recommend

  • aqib

    I will be forever grateful that my grandparents decided to migrate from UP in 1947, It is not the vision of the generation of our grandparents that should be faulted, for what the current generation has done to the country.Recommend

  • Researcher

    A University professor has such views and believes in such far off stories? Amazing! Wonder what he teaches the students? This will just perpetuate the hate. And Indians think they can win the hearts of ‘educated’ urban Pakistanis if they follow Aman Ki Asha type things. Dream on!

    As Mark Twain has said , “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness.”Recommend

  • Fayaz

    The history will never ask us if making of Pakistan a mistake. Not understanding the vision of Jinnah had been the biggest mistake till now. Recommend

  • Israeli Indian

    Conspiracy at its best…when people began asking question why there country was made……what is there culture and ideology….then that state is already in the phase of a transition……my friend..what u have written…just replace the word of India with pakistan and relegions with muslim…u will find all that true in todays pakistan…..and my friend if i beleive in ur saying that if it was true in 1940′s era in India then today these things are happening in pakistan………so,by writing this article u have proven that pakistan is already 70 years behind India…..and while i am writing these points am sitting besides one of my sunni muslim friend…who is my senior project manager in one of Indian financial companies which is among top 20 in the world……according to IAOP surveys…so,live in today…the world is changing and people are moving from toyota to BMW…camels and desert have no places…….Recommend

  • Peace

    Pakistan is a blessing. We just need will to fix the issues to enjoy the fruits of an independent country.
    Cheers
    Peace. Recommend

  • Peace

    Excellent write.

    Cheers
    PeaceRecommend

  • Dr. Asad Sadick, Germany

    Creation of Pakistan was never a mistake. Taking the circumstances in undivided British India nothing better could have happened to the Muslims. I agree that the present chaos in Pakistan is the worst scenario we are facing and makes us imagine a better quality of life had Pakistan not come into existence. But try to picture the reality that would have beset the Muslims then. We would have been a much bigger minority in numbers as well as in quality. Our aspirations would have undermined the Hindu dominance. A wave of ethnic cleansing similar to the one in divided Yugoslavia would have started in India. The number of Muslims compared to the Hindus today is much smaller than in undivided India, which would have caused a threat to the Hindus. It would have been difficult to handle us and we would have been miserable. We would still be striving for a homeland. What we have made of Pakistan is of our own making, but there is still hope and I am confident that we are better of as an “independent” Pakistan. Recommend

  • Alann

    ET should let me write a blog article with this same title “Was the creation of Pakistan a mistake? from the Indian perspective. I’m sure I can give a more realistic view of the current situation of Muslims in India and those in Pakistan. As an extra bonus, I’ll also add the condition of the minorities in Pakistan to make it an even more interesting read.
    Lastly, rest assured, my blog will be full of real facts unlike some articles by “concerned Pakistanis” about situation of Muslims in India, about Kashmir, about rapes in India, etc.Recommend

  • blah

    I think Muslims are treated much better as a minority in India as compared to the treatment of minorities in Pakistan. There are no laws protecting minorities, let alone give them equal opportunities and rights. Shameful state of affairs!Recommend

  • Insaan

    Looking at the pitiable condition of Muslims in India (not every Indian Muslim shares the same fate as Shahrukh Khan or Salman Khan),……… Had they stayed in India, they would surely have been killed by wild mobs, who were indulging in indiscriminate killing of Muslims.

    I hope some Indian Muslim will respond to this. I don’t know about parents but millions of Muslims survived and are doing much better than Pakistani Muslims.

    Even Jinnah’s daughter preferred to live in India.

    It is time you should learn a little bit of truth. Go watch youtube videos of some wise Pakistanis and learn the truth. You even don’t know truth about Kargil?
    You don’t even know how many Muslims your Pakistani army killed in East Pakistan and Afghanistan.

    Have a nice day.Recommend

  • Silent Night

    Thank you for shedding light on this issue. However, I would like to point out that the number of Muslims in Pakistan and India is not roughly equal as you have suggested. Muslims comprise about 13% out of India’s population of a billion, which means there are about 130 million Muslims in India; whereas Muslims comprise about 97% out of Pakistan’s population of 180 million, which leads to a figure of 174.6 million Muslims in Pakistan. Thus there are 44.6 million more Muslims in Pakistan than in India. This clearly refutes the Indian propaganda, designed to attack the founding of Pakistan, that there are more Muslims in India than in Pakistan. Furthermore, if you include the Bangladeshi Muslims in the calculus, then the true picture that emerges is that an overwhelmingly large majority of Muslims affirmatively chose not to be Indians. Recommend

  • Irony

    “Looking at the pitiable condition of Muslims in India (not every Indian Muslim shares the same fate as Shahrukh Khan or Salman Khan), I believe that my parents took the right decision in 1947 and migrated to the new country. Had they stayed in India, they would surely have been killed by wild mobs, who were indulging in indiscriminate killing of Muslims.”

    You are factually wrong as well. Dont make an emotional statement when u are writing an article. Fact is Indian muslims have better gdp/ppp than pak.
    Pak muslims have more political power but that is because u have a separate country.
    Pls do rebutt me. We can have a proper debate. However u r wrong when u have stated tht.Recommend

  • AbsoluteIndia

    Peobably,I may sound Harsh..but let us accept the fact that muslims r no Brahmin convert.Religious conversion did not do any favor to their status.Like backward class Hindus ,they too r getting reservations in govt job on that basis….Speaks volume about it…As a muhajir,dont you feel discriminated in your country???Recommend

  • Ravi

    You guys are nothing but blind followers of India in every aspect. Look at your movies, dramas, songs nothing but Indian influence. You guys have forgotten your culture, religion, beliefs & follow our media more than islam. We don’t need you guys, but as every day passes you guys need us badly. Recommend

  • Ahmed

    Had Pakistan lived up to the reason it was created for ( An Islamic State), everything would’ve been fine.Recommend

  • Raj

    I am from India and I beleive strongly that creation of Pakistan has been the best thing for India and I hope it is best thing for Pakistan as well. As far as India is concerned having 35% population would have meant a deciding community for the government. Muslims would have become the king makers. The issue is not with Muslims but with the Muslim politics. I am a Hindu with some very good Muslim friends so I reinstate that it is not being Muslims but I instead the politics it would have created. Constant arguments , demands for a separate country and a hurdle in the progress.

    For Pakistan I think, having a county which is based on religion rather that equality for all citizens is probably a right choice. It is sad that both countries are still strugling but having a united India would have made it impossible.
    it was a sad partition but the right one. I am intrigued that India still has as many Muslims as in Pakistan ( no issue with that they are Part and parcel of India) but very few if any minorities in Pakistan. Mr Jinnah stated that India and Pakistan are two different cultures adn he was right. I do not think it was Muslim and Hindus but instead different way of thinking that made it different cultures.

    We are happy with this partition and so should be pakistanRecommend

  • Nandita.

    Haha ! Can’t believe such utter rubbish gets published. Recommend

  • Faisal

    Great Piece!! an eye opener !!Recommend

  • Afrooz

    I believe that my parents took the
    right decision in 1947 and migrated to
    the new country. Had they stayed in
    India, they would surely have been
    killed by wild mobs, who were
    indulging in indiscriminate killing of
    Muslims.

    There is the one more obvious upside that the author forgot to mention when his parents survived the muslim pogroms in India and he is now with us andable to pen this incisive masterpiece of intellectual journalism. Bravo ET for allowing this to be published. It was thoroughly entertaining.Recommend

  • Ali

    Bravo Professor Great article, Long Live Pakistan and Long Live Muslim of the subcontinent.Recommend

  • Happy

    Hope you are feeling good now. And sleep well at least tonight thinking you have done something constructive. Be happy and take care. Recommend

  • JSM

    Very good sir.

    And the best of luck.Recommend

  • Dr.N.Khatoon

    Just like the ‘wild hindu’ mobs that killed my entire family and me in India which is our home ?

    You like your new country..good.But why think that you’re praising it all the more,by maligning another country and its ‘wild’ hindu populace ? The same ‘wild’ hindus,who have been loving friends,neighbours and colleagues,of mine,my parents,my grandparents..etc.

    I should also add that,I’ve not been barred from any restaurant or other venue in India,on the basis of ‘no muslims or dogs’,served here,as your father pointed out.Recommend

  • Rafi Rehman

    Creation of Pakistan was a mistake not Bangladesh. It is impossible to live Punjabi and Pathan Muslims, because they are fanatic, violent, racist, illiterate and dumb. People of Bangladesh and India living peacefully but in Pakistan they are killing each other. After killing Hindus, Bengalis now they can not kill them anymore, now they started killing their own people .Recommend

  • C. Nandkishore

    Sour grapes, Mr. Lakhani.Recommend

  • Truthhurts

    Trolls will go overboard on this one. hahaha But you’re 100% correctRecommend

  • Indi-Pop

    Oh another one! There is institutionalized discrimination against left handed people so a separate state for them as well!Recommend

  • LuvPak

    Excellent article and topic Mr. Lakhani!
    Very impressive and sufficient proof of the need of a seperate homeland for the left-behind Muslims of Moghal rule era of India. As a matter of fact Mr. Jinnah’s main concern was also the large scale and massive pro-Hindu planning by the British & Indian congress culture and character that eventually made him look for Muslim representation too in future Indian govt, that was denied and sidelined by the then congress & the British. A seperate homeland for Muslims was then granted by the congress leadership on the lines of creation of Bangladesh today__ “tom vahan ham yahan”…basis.

    With huge Indian investment anti-Pakistan centiment is sold & bought freely in Pakistan today. Sadly, our military rule did not give enough political sunshine to the plant of democracy to flourish. Anyway, if we spend less time discussing the past mistakes and more on building a bright future we surely wont be needing this kind of discussion fifty years from now. Just get up and build Pakistan for our children & their children.

    Recommend

  • Anshuman Tripathy

    Well Mr. Lakhani please ask your Shia, Ahmedi and Balochi brethren how well off they are in the Land of the pure. As far as I know Pakistan wasn’t created just for the sunnis.

    Also why do you look at everything from a religious perspective? Why should you care if the population of Muslims is less than everybody else. Any secular democratic government will make sure to look after its minorities (You have no Idea how many subsidies muslims in India get, including their own Law Board) . The day you stop viewing yourself as a “Muslim” and everybody else as “Others” is the day you truly become Human.Recommend

  • Shakir Lakhani

    @Dr.N.Khatoon: Please read the whole article again. You will note that the entire article does not have the word “Hindu” in it.Recommend

  • http://Delhi INDIAN SHIA

    @author: I must be thankful to my grandpa who chosen INDIA.

    HERE WE ARE MUCH PROSPEROUS IN COMPARE TO MY RELATIVE WHO MOVED TO PAKISTANRecommend

  • http://expresstribune shakeel Raja

    Pakiastan is one of the greatest gifts for the muslims of the subcontinent, Mr. Jinnah had to put great efforts to get it freed but now it is our responsibility to purge & purify it from corruption, terrorism, inflation,unemployment and other anti social elements. Responsibilities and liabilities are transferred from one generation to other, Mr. Jinnah and his colleagues fulfilled their responsibilities, now it is upto us to take up liabilities and work for the betterment of the nation. I hope and assure that with the passage of time we will control the probles and able to name us in great nation.Recommend

  • http://mezaajedeen.blogspot.com Tribune Reader

    I sincerely doubt that picture is from the Amritsar train station, my family is among the thousands of surviving families that fled the brutal massacre from Amritsar, I am guessing that photo is from Delhi railway station, most trains enroute Lahore via Amritsar were stopped at various points in Punjab and were brutally murdered by Hindu and Sikh militias. Recommend

  • observer

    @Shakir Lakhani:

    @Dr.N.Khatoon: Please read the whole article again. You will note that the entire article does not have the word “Hindu” in it.

    Really? So where does this come from?

    Once I asked a Parsi engineer on an Indian ship,
    “How is it that on your ships there are Christians, Parsis, Sikhs and Hindus, but no Muslims?”

    Being as truthful as ever?Recommend

  • Gp65

    Pakistan is a reality now. Neither any Indian nor Pakistani wants to reverse it, so why justify it?

    Having said that, All the justifications you provide for creation of Pakistan are weak.

    More Muslims have been killed in Pakistan than India. If you total all the Muslims killed in riots in the past 66 years it will be less than 12000 . Now tell me how many Muslims I were killed in 1971? The last major communal riot that took place in India ( it cannot be called a pogrom because Hindu s died too) happened more than 11 years back and 750 Muslims died in it(254 Hindus as well). More Muslims have been killed in Karachi alone in just this calendar year in target killing.

    If someone refused to serve your father, that is an act of bigotry and was wrong. In my 48 years, I have never seen any such restaurant or trader that would refuse to serve a minority. But assuming that this did happen, it provides a weak justification for forming a separate country. Because otherwise by your logic Ahmadis should carve their own separate country out of Pakistan because indeed many traders refuse o serve them and Shias should have their own country because they are target killed and Christians their own because of how land mafia tries to grab their land by getting them involved in false blasphemy cases.

    Have explained multiple times that the minor difference in per capita household income can be easily explained by fewer members in workforce ( since for cultural reasons, Muslim women are less likely to be in workforce) and more children (census confirms that the total fertility rate for Muslims is 45% higher than Hindus and do not point to institutionalisation discrimination though no one can rule out occasional individual acts of bigotry that are bidirectional.

    Again since Pakistan was formed to provide security to Muslims, why was the door to Indian Muslims closed so soon after partition? Israel( the only other country formed in the name of religion) will accept any Jew even today. In fact even the Biharis left in Bangladesh who want to come to Pakistan are not accepted by Pakistan. Why is the nation formed o provide security o the Muslims in the Indian subcontinent so unwilling o provide shelter o the very people it was formeed for?

    Why do you think that 85% of Muslims in present day India not move to this promised land? Why did majority of the population ( at that time) reject Pakistan in 1971?

    Is it in India that Shias were killed in mosques this year during Eid namaaz? Is it in India that Ahmadiyas were not allowed to carry out Eid Namaz in Rawalpindi? No and no.

    Again, you have your country. No one is asking you to justify its existence so instead of dwelling in the past, please focus on the future.Recommend

  • Azeem Aslam

    100% True whatever wrote. Recommend

  • TheSimpleton

    If I were a elderly muslim in 1945 in India, my words for Jinnah would have been “Be careful my son of what you wish for, for you might get it”

    Today, with the benefit of hindsight, these words almost sound prophetic. In fact a great statesman did sound this warning then. His name is Abul Kalam Azad. One should read his predictions of the new state Jinnah had set off to form (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRF2Do07rps)Recommend

  • http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/author/430/faraz-talat/ Faraz Talat

    Aw, that’s cute. I’m assuming you haven’t seen businesses refusing service to Ahmadis in present-day Pakistan, because if you did, you’d notice this isn’t a Muslim problem; it’s a minority problem.

    And whichever community is in the minority in whichever country, gets a hard time.

    You think being Muslim in India is bad? Try being Hindu in Pakistan; you won’t even get your marriage registered.Recommend

  • Shakir Lakhani

    @ observer: Sorry, my mistake, probably due to old age. But nowhere have Hindus been described as the killers.Recommend

  • Ranjit

    The author is making the same mistake that Jinnah made……..Hindus have always been divided along caste, language, ethnicity etc……..and Hindus by nature have very little unity……..this is why Muslims conquered and ruled India for 800 years in an effortless manner………..in a united India, Muslims would have been the single largest cohesive group and they would have avoided internal divisions seen in Pakistan……hence they would have been the kingmakers if not the king………a half educated, Catholic, Italian woman rules India today and all hindus happily fall at her feet……..enough said…….Recommend

  • Dr.N.Khatoon

    @ Prof.Lakhani

    Sir,You have mentioned in your article-’non-muslim’,brahmin,Christian,Sikh,Parsi and Hindu-take another look. (it’s anyones guess,who the ‘wild mobs’ you refer to,are)
    Personally I think,the partition was a good idea- muslims who wanted to split up would’ve stayed on,in this country and created further instability.
    Now that muslims have got what they wanted- both countries must focus on their own development and love their own countries without maligning each other.It’s a good thing to love your country,Sir.
    If Indo-Pak,can be on good terms in a few decades, like USA-UK (after the Americans who won independence from Great Britian)- nothing better! But I doubt that’ll ever happen,while the muslim psyche continues to value only fellow muslim souls and,in contrast,hindus value,every human’s soul as ‘khuda ka banda’-whether he’s shia,buddhist,shinto,jew,sikh,tao,catholic,parsi,protestant,hindu,sufi,atheist or agnostic.Recommend

  • Shakir Lakhani

    @ Researcher: a small correction: I’m not a professor. I was once a visiting lecturer (1974-76) in NED but gave up teaching long ago.
    As for the Muslims in India, I remember a statement by Sardar Vallabhai Patel some months after partition, in which he said, “The Muslims remaining in India are more than in the new state of Pakistan”. Remember, Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was part of Pakistan at that time.
    This means that the Muslims in India today should equal the number of Muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh, but this is not so. There are 510 million Muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh, but 180 million Muslims in India. This leaves 330 million Indian Muslims unaccounted for. Assuming that some more Indian Muslims migrated to Pakistan later, it still doesn’t explain what happened to the remaining Indian Muslims, unless you assume that they were forcibly converted (which was the greatest fear among Indian Muslims before Partition). Perhaps some Indians reading this can explain this mystery.Recommend

  • Nb

    @ Ranjit

    By that logic,you probably have a problem with our Muslim ex-President,our christian defence minister and our Sikh prime minister too … ?Recommend

  • Shakir Lakhani

    @ Dr.N.Khatoon: “while the muslim psyche continues to value only fellow muslim souls and,in contrast,hindus value,every human’s soul as ‘khuda ka banda’-whether he’s shia,buddhist,shinto,jew,sikh,tao,catholic,parsi,protestant,hindu,sufi,atheist or agnostic.”
    I assume you have never visited Pakistan. Most ordinary Pakistanis are not at all bothered about whether their neighbours or friends are Muslims or not. However, since 9/11, some Muslims (including Pakistani Muslims) have become fundamentalists, as Muslims are being wrongly labelled as “terrorists” and Muslim countries like Iraq and Syria have been targeted. My own family doctor is a Sindhi-speaking Hindu, I have many Parsi/Christian/Hindu friends, and we get along very well with each other.Recommend

  • http://UAE excalibur

    Mr Lakhani what would you say about the identical ‘tyranny of the majority’ that we sufffer post independence at the hands of the Punjabis who have replaced Hindus and were responsible for the separation of Bengalis and formation of BangladeshRecommend

  • Lt Col Imtiaz Alam(retd)

    The very title of this Blog starts to ring an alarm bell in the reader’s mind that the writer is against the creation of Pakistan. The title should have been something else. “The creation of Pakistan was in the interest of Muslim’s of the Sub Continent. This is black Journalism .A correct decision was taken by Quaid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah.
    We are very lucky to be in a free Muslim country where we can openly practice our religion and freely go about our business.
    What has happened in the last 66 yrs is of our own doing. We did not elect the right people. We followed the Bradari, caste, color,creed & ethnic divide to vote. We did not vote for Pakistan but individuals who had a checkered past.
    Every Nation has its ups and downs. Allah willing we shall come out of the present situation of killing and Mayhem. There is only a big “If” that is all actions are above board.
    Needless to say that a time may come when there might be a Bloody revolution if we do not heed our ways.
    .Recommend

  • Gratgy

    @Shakir Lakhani
    Most ordinary Pakistanis are not at all bothered about whether their neighbours or friends are Muslims or not.

    Then what is the problem having a chowk in Lahore named after Bhagat Singh? Recommend

  • Dr.N.Khatoon

    @ Prof.Lakhani

    I was making an oblique reference to the blasphemy laws and Salman Tasseer’s assassin being garlanded/the anti-Ahmaddi day being observed today in Pakistan(7th Sep,’74)..and reading comments from Pakistanis who say things like,’The thousands of pilgrims,who died recently in Uttarakand-that was ‘divine retribution’ ..
    I also read that to get a passport,a citizen has to sign a document effectively stating that Ahmaddis are not muslims( I hope that’s not true)
    Anyway,leaving aside arguments,I want to relate three childish & minor instances to you from my student days-I’ve seen fellow muslim (boys),deliberately eat beef in their school lunches in front of hindu boys-this incident had embarrassed me,esp.since they could’ve eaten,in a different part of the classroom.In contrast,when I was in college and my fridge broke down once- to my shock,my brahmin friend offered to store my non-veg food in her fridge,so it wouldn’t go bad-this was a girl who doesn’t eat even onions/garlic/eggs(their mothers don’t even keep these in their kitchens at home).I refused,but she insisted.
    My Hindu neighbour from Varanasi, Gave Me sweets & hugged me,one day before Eid,since she was going out of town and wouldn’t be with me for Eid,last year : )
    Just a few silly examples …
    Glad to hear you that you love your non-muslim friends.
    Maybe someday ,I will have the chance to visit Pakistan also.
    Best regards,Recommend

  • Shakir Lakhani

    @ Gratgy: “Then what is the problem having a chowk in Lahore named after Bhagat Singh?”
    I told you some Muslims have turned into fundamentalists, and they do get their way in such things.. Please remember that there is still a Lakshmi Chowk, a locality named Guru Mandir, Diaram Gidumal Road, Diaram Jethumal College, Ramaswami, etc. Recommend

  • Shakir Lakhani

    @ excalibur: “what would you say about the identical ‘tyranny of the majority’ that we sufffer post independence at the hands of the Punjabis who have replaced Hindus and were responsible for the separation of Bengalis and formation of Bangladesh”. Only the white man was replaced, both in India and Pakistan. And holding Punjabis responsible for the formation of Bangladesh is not true, other nationalities were also involved, but that is another story.Recommend

  • Big B

    The author seems to suggest that all or most of the Muslims are good and Liberal and all or most of the HIndus are bad and conservative which is far from the truth. Recommend

  • http://UAE excalibur

    @ shakir lakhani

    There is no point in skirting the issue. Replacement of the white man was the initial demand by Congress and Jinnah still being an ‘ambassador of Hindu Muslim unity ‘ Once he realised the future and the prognosis of the fate of Muslims at the hands of the Hindu majority, he raised the demand for Pakistan as a separate homeland for Muslims .( he had also articulated the same rationale to King Farouk enroute his return to India via Egypt)

    The Muslim League was never supported by the Punjabis ( ML was routed in the 1937 Legislative Assembly Elections and the likes of Khizar Hayat were directly responsible for it )

    When Jinnah took the extreme position of even accepting a truncated Pakistan, Punjab Muslim majority areas had no choice but to be a part of Pakistan and from then on have hogged the Civil and Military on ethnic lines and thrived on brute majority and self preservation by Feudalism and
    Biradari system based upon a despicable caste system ( Mughals , Kashmiri, Jat, Gujjara et al ) akin to the Hindu caste system . Every election result manifests the same disease.

    Honesty demands we should not seek refuge in being politically correctRecommend

  • Insaan

    @Gp65: “In fact even the Biharis left in Bangladesh who want to come to Pakistan are not accepted by Pakistan. Why is the nation formed to provide security o the Muslims in the Indian subcontinent so unwilling to provide shelter to the very people it was formed for?”

    Indian Muslims who went to Pakistan at the time are still called refugees (Muhajirs) and treated like refugees.Recommend

  • Cosmo

    @Shakir Lakhani:
    Leave aside sharuk or salman but lega count
    1. Many of my muslim friends
    2. Dr. Abdul kalam
    3. Rafi saheb
    4. Current external affairs minister
    5. Speaker of Rajya Sabha
    6. Zaheer Khan
    7. Pathan brothers
    8. Azim premji
    9. Saban aazmi
    10. Jabev akhtar
    11. ……. The list can go on
    The fact is India is the land of hard competition, state of an uneducated hindu ia not any different from an uneducated muslim. Professor, its Ok to luv yr own country but for humanity sake do not spread lies and hatred againt another country. Why cant Pakiatan have an identity of its own, and it always has to be defined by hating India and other religions.By the way, i am sure I have more muslum friends in India then you have in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Insaan

    Why Pakistanis are still talking about “Was the creation of Pakistan a mistake?”

    Asking that question in itself shows Pakistanis are still not sure if creation of Pakistan was a good or bad thing.

    One thing for sure, it is not good for Ahmadi and Shia Muslims at all who are living their lives with fear of getting killed any day.

    In FREE Pakistan, Pakistani Muslims are killing each other in mosques, funerals and markets. Muslims have destroyed over 500 schools in FREE Pakistan. Recommend

  • observer

    @Shakir Lakhani:

    There are 510 million Muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh, but 180 million Muslims in India. This leaves 330 million Indian Muslims unaccounted for. Assuming that some more Indian Muslims migrated to Pakistan later, it still doesn’t explain what happened to the remaining Indian Muslims, unless you assume that they were forcibly converted (which was the greatest fear among Indian Muslims before Partition). Perhaps some Indians reading this can explain this mystery.

    The mystery is that there is no mystery.

    A. Population of India in 1947 stood at 345 million. Today it stands at 1170 million. The population has grown by a factor of 3.39 times.

    http://www.populstat.info/Asia/indiac.htm

    B. West Pakistan on the other hand had a population of 31 million. Now it stands at 180 million. The population has grown by a factor of 5.80 times.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2075591/

    C. Bangladesh had a population of 42 million in 1947. The current population stands at 153 million. The population has grown by a factor of 3.72 times.

    http://www.populstat.info/Asia/bangladc.htm

    It seems Indians and Bangladeshis are not as prolific producers as the Pakistanis. Or Bangladesh has a large chunk of missing Muslims too.

    Moderator ET-Mr Lakhani makes an unfounded allegation of Genocide/ forcible conversion of Muslims. I find it funny that this baseless assertion can find place in ET but not a factual referenced rebuttal.Recommend

  • Pradhan

    @Shakir Lakhani

    As per your calculation 510 million is total muslim population in subcontinent. 180 each in India and Pakistan and 150 million in Bangladesh. In United India how it is 1.7 billion population ?? Indian Population is 1.2+.18+.18+.15 – .18(Existing Indian muslim) = 1.53 billion and 510 million muslims. That makes 33.33 percentage muslims.
    With just having 18 % muslim population they are a key factor for which BJP has only came to power once in their 35 yr of existence. Imagine what they could have done if there were 1 muslim in every three person.
    All the things you have said in support of creating Pakistan is based on stories told by your father to you. I can not really believe they publish this sort of articles in Pakistan however, it is published now so, let me just tell you that you should consider them as stories only.
    They era your father was talking about is an era whose stories any sane person will not treat as truth. For change lets treat your father’s story were true what did you father think would happen to those who were left behind wouldn’t they be persecuted more then what they used to be?? Mind you, your father’s generation left atleast 30 percent of the population.

    My Opinion

    As an atheist(born Hindu of course) I don’t really believe creation of Pakistan has anything to do with welfare of Muslims in subcontinent. Most in my friend circle would never give the argument you thought proved wrong in your article either. In fact I heard the argument you have posted on your article about creation of Pakistan being a mistake for the first time is on youtube from some Pakistani and from an interview from Maulana Madani(RS Member India).

    Most Indian including me condemn creation of Pakistan because of the people killed during partition.Recommend

  • Genesis

    The reasons given out by the authour for creating Pakistan is silly like restaurants,ships and books.the fact that it was created is good and that leaves India to be what it is ie growing and improving by the day.Even Muslims who did not want to migrate are dong well and thriving with their great business empires (WIPRO for one)lastly you must ask Indian Muslims whether they want to migrate to Pakistan and you will be surprised by their answer It is also interesting to note that the Urdu speaking elite who demanded Pakistan and got it are now despised in Pakistan as Mohajjirs. and why did Bangladesh split away if it was for the community that Pakistan came into existence.rHistory cannot be reversed or changed and any number of explanations is not going to undo it.Let us focus on our speperate ways and better the lot of the common man and not indulge in thse sematics.Recommend

  • K.Chohan

    Well I totally agree with the author.
    Reading other comments I concluded that everyone is forgetting that partition was done almost 60 years ago. So everyone of you must consider situation of Muslims, hindus and subcontinent of that time. For some of my friends I want to elaborate some facts.
    1. Muslim league was created in 1906 after the incident of Partition of Bengal 1905. When the Indian mob and congress (Hindu majority party) went against it because this way east Bengal was Muslim majority and they had chances of prosperity/more power. I ain’t gonna write whole history here, those interested can Google it
    2. After the first constitutional election in sub-continent i.e in 1935. Congress was in power and Muslim League lost even in Muslim majority states (i won’t discuss reasons here). And for everyone’s kind info this is what happened in whole sub continent.
    i) Beef was ban (knowing that Muslims perform Qurbani)
    ii) Muslims were not allowed to use speaker for Azaan.
    iii) Pigs were thrown in Mosques
    iv) Every student was forced to bow in front of congress leader’s picture, if you know it is against Islam.
    The list is full of such atrocities. Government ended in 1937.
    3. After such incident for the first time in history Muslims asked for a separate homeland for them i.e in 23rd March 1940. Known as Lahore Resolution and now known as Pakistan Resolution.
    4. After that Muslim league won with majority in 1945 elections under the slogan of separate nation.. so it was your/mine (Muslims) grandfather who decided in majority to have separate homeland because they saw/experienced what we didn’t.
    (Let us all first read history from 1857 to 1947 then talk about it, because history is fact)
    P.S : those who will ask for the source, for them I will say read unbiased history.

    One of my friend, I think “Raj”, mentioned that we still follow indian movies, songs, culture and all that. I totally agree with you. And that the reason Pakistan has not prospered. I ain’t saying that your culture is bad. I am pointing Pakistan’s fault here. Because Pakistani people can’t decide whether they want to be Muslim or they want to be influenced by world. The reason of creation of Pakistan was that Muslim could practice their religion openly, which I don’t see rite now. But does it mean that the reason was wrong ? Does it mean that those who want to practice (say just 5%) should not be given a chance ? Does it mean that 65 years ago people (Hindu and Muslims) who gave their life for their children was useless ?

    In short creation of Pakistan was never a mistake, but comparing past situation with present situation is a mistake and senseless comparison.Recommend

  • Burjor Rustomji

    The whole point about life is able to live in peace, with your neighbours, with your fellow countrymen, with everyone around you. When one starts to distinguish, starts to differentiate, starts to prejudge, that is where the problems arise. Living together is more difficult, but has more advantages also, ultimately those who can get along with their fellow humans are the more happier, successful, people, this would be true anywhere in the world. Recommend

  • Sabbir Akhtar Nongrum

    Huh. . . Dear writer of this article, let me ask you a straight question. . Are you jealous of seeing the present condition of Indian Muslims ? ? coz Indian Muslims are way better and more developed socially, economically then Pakistani Muslims.

    Please don’t write such articles without knowing the full truth. Indian Muslims today are not just a block of population which can be used in elections. We have contributed to the making of this great nation – India, with our sweat and blood. . . You talk of discrimination, huh , you knw wat Indias Intelligence Bureau Chief is a Muslim. . anything else sir ? ?Recommend

  • Researcher

    @Shakir Lakhani: “This leaves 330 million Indian Muslims unaccounted for. Assuming that some more Indian Muslims migrated to Pakistan later, it still doesn’t explain what happened to the remaining Indian Muslims, unless you assume that they were forcibly converted (which was the greatest fear among Indian Muslims before Partition). Perhaps some Indians reading this can explain this mystery”.

    You need to sharpen your logical reasoning and analytical skills. Don’t take ‘far off stories’ or statements as facts.
    The population of new India itself was less than 400 million at the time of partition. You think 330 million Muslims disappeared from that number?

    I don’t even know where to begin to change your views on India.

    Travel to India and broaden your horizon.
    Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness.
    Recommend

  • Hella

    @Shakir Lakhani “Perhaps some Indians reading this can explain this mystery.” Possibly because Indian muslims have better things to then incessant breeding. No country in the world, leave alone India, can better Pakistan’s record in slaughtering Muslims. Finally a line from, http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2002/feb/20/race.immigrationpolicy “Among South Asians, Indian Muslims do better than Muslims from Pakistani or Bangladeshi backgrounds – and better than Sikhs.” Although an old report, probably still valid today.Recommend

  • Mohammed Yusuf

    @Shakir Lakhani:
    What is your source Mr? You only heard and that is hearsay. Come out with facts and figures and you call yourself educated lecturer!Recommend

  • DingDong

    Another simplistic approach at masking the real problem. Muslims cannot coexist with themselves let alone other religions. If India hadn’t been partitioned then there would have been Civil War….Muslims always want want want but are not prepared for hard work…the same is valid here in the UK.Recommend

  • gp65

    ET Mods – This statement below is so flawed in both logic and facts. It thus has the potential to create hatred and mistrust about Indians in Pakistani minds. Please do not pevent a fact based rebuttal from being published.

    @Shakir Lakhani: “As for the Muslims in India, I remember a statement by Sardar Vallabhai Patel some months after partition, in which he said, “The Muslims remaining in India are more than in the new state of Pakistan”. Remember, Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was part of Pakistan at that time.
    This means that the Muslims in India today should equal the number of Muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh, but this is not so. There are 510 million Muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh, but 180 million Muslims in India. This leaves 330 million Indian Muslims unaccounted for. Assuming that some more Indian Muslims migrated to Pakistan later, it still doesn’t explain what happened to the remaining Indian Muslims”

    Sir you have made horrendous errors i facts and logic.Once you account for that you will realize there is NO mystery of missing Muslim population in India.

    1) PAtel said that more Muslims had sayed in India than had moved to newly ceated Muslim states of Pakistan (from India). This statement did ot take into account the Muslims already residing in present day Pakistan or Bangladesh. So even at time of partition, the number of Muslims in India was NOT greater than number of Muslims in United Pakistan. In fact population of West Pakistan was 34 million, East Pakistan was 36 million and India was 340 million at time of independence. Of the 36 million people in East Pakistan, 20% were Hindus and about 10% of Pakistani population population was Hindus and Sikhs at time of partition. Thus united PAkistan had around 60 million Muslims at time of independence. 9% of India’s population of 340 million were Muslims at the time in other words India had around 30 mllion Muslims at the time – HALF of the Muslim population of United Pakistan.

    2) The total Muslims of Present day Pakistan and BAngladesh is NOT 510 million, it is 330 million (180 million plus 150 million)

    3) Your calculation does not take into account the much greater success that both India and Bangladesh have had with family planning. In 1971 Bangladesh had much greater population than Pakistan now it has a smaller population. DOes that mean there has been Muslim genocide in Bangladesh?

    4) The only correct way to judge is the percentage of Muslim population in India at independence (9%) vs, now (15%). Muslims as a percentage of Indian population have increased NOT decreased.

    BAsed on facts and logic presented above there is NO mystery about missing Muslim population in present day India. But perhaps the good author would like to tell us what happened o Hindus and Sikhs in Karachi. PEr 1941 census 51% of Karachi population was Hindu and 8% was Sikh.Recommend

  • https://www.facebook.com/ghulam.muhammed.7 Ghulam Muhammed

    I am surprised that the writer holds 30 percent Muslims would not have been sufficient to come to power in United India. In today’s India, Brahmins who actually rule the country in true sense of the word, are merely 3% of the total Indian population. They are the leaders or in fact owners of all major political parties, be that Congress, BJP, Communists, or even Dalit party in the south. They are at the head. They have concocted a spurious majority of 85%, by singling out 15% Muslims as the other. Only now their game is unraveling and other castes like Yadav and Dalit have formed their own regional political parties and have come to power in the states. In United India, Muslims could have joined hands with Dalits and other backwords and formed even upto 40 or even 50% of the electorate and certainly had a great chance to wrest power from Brahmins. So the calculation of Jinnah, with his personal interactions with Hindu leaders, did not look far ahead to factor in the dispersion of the Hindu vote bank. You may not be surprised if even now Muslims if properly organised and follow the same Congress strategy of making alliance in a secular polity, have even chance to gradually come to power, first in states and later at the center, all within the new emerging coalition era. Recommend

  • Pakistani

    Indians are just endorsing author thoughts by commenting.Recommend

  • http://outlook FALCON EYE

    A WELL WRITTEN ARTICLE!!! reasons and justification given by Prof Shakir are true.. I myself remember my Grand papa telling me story of his sister and mother murdered by Hindus and Sikhs on their way to Pakistan..I just cant forget it,it felt graveness in his eyes..!!!! why dont people across the border dont show hatred and words of agony to those among them WHO killed flocks of MUSLIMS(abused there daughters,sisters..!! ) Recommend

  • np

    @Ghulam Muhammed: Brahmins rule India? While there might have been some truth to this statement in 1947, there is absolutely none today. Most of the chief ministers of large states in India are non-BRahmin be it CM of UP, Bihar,Gujarat, Maharashtra, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh or Jammu and Kashmir. The Prime Minister, CJ, defense minister, foreign minister, COAS, chief of air force are not even Hindu let alone being BRahmin. The finance minister who was born in a BRahmin family has chosen to become an atheist. Where exactly are these BRahmins that are ruling India?

    Please stop passing information you hear from your madrassas or from Zaid Hamid sermons as facts.

    Incidentally, I still look forward to hearing from you about the fate of Hindus and Sikhs in Karachi.Recommend

  • Shakir Lakhani

    @ Researcher/GP65/Ghulam Mohammed: OK, the Muslim population of Pakistan & Bangladesh is 330 million, but that of India is 180 million. If the Muslim population of India at the time of partition was equal to that of Pakistan/Bangladesh combined, then it should also be equal today, but it is not so. I reiterate that India’s Muslim population today should be 330 million, and the fact that it is only 180 million means that either forced conversions took place or more were killed in communal riots than reported. Someone commented that the population of Karachi before 1947 was 51% Hindu and 8% Sikh, this is not correct. I know that there were many Hindus and Sikhs in Lahore (in one book I read, there were less Muslims in Lahore than Hindus/Sikhs in 1947, but I find that difficult to believe) and these Hindus/Sikhs of Lahore were compelled to migrate (and some, like Muslims, were killed while trying to cross the border). Moreover, there are many Hindus living in Karachi and Sindh (one of them, Juhi Chawla’s cousin, I met last week, while another is my family doctor, and a few did engineering with me in 1966). So, if Pakistan is so bad for minorities, why are these Hindus not migrating to India? By the way, there are Hindus & Sikhs in Pakistan’s northern areas as well as in Afghanistan, where fundamentalism is strongest, yet they choose to remain in Northern Pakistan and Afghanistan. Surely, if all Pakistani Muslims were anti-Hindu or anti-Sikh or anti-Christian or anti-Ahmedi, these minority groups would have fled Pakistan and gone to India long ago. By the same token, all Indian Hindus are not Muslim-haters, which is why there are Muslims (including my relatives) still living in India. But the fact remains, Muslims would never have made progress in united India owing to their vastly smaller numbers. How many Muslim politicians do you see in India (apart from Indian-occupied J&K)? In fact, there never has been an Indian Muslim prime minister (the most powerful post). A Muslim president & vice-president, yes, but no Muslim in the top post in “secular” India.Recommend

  • SHB

    I was born in Pakistan after its creation in 1947.
    For me this is my home and if some one says it should have not been built , to me that is his problem , not mine. I believe in Pakistan 101%. Period. Which ever this house is , I will continue to improve it and make it better. There are always difficult times. If today is not good, hope fully tomorrow will be better.
    If some body does not not believe in Pakistan, he always has the option to migrate to any place , he wants. No body is going to stop him.
    It is shame that some people after 66 yrs are questioning the creation of Pakistan.
    I think they should go and see the psychiatrist .Recommend

  • Adil Uddin

    My grandparents had migrated to Pakistan few years after its creation, we continue to have tonnes of relatives who live there in India. I guess Pakistan was suppose to be an ideal nation where the essence of Islam was top be observed and I am not talking about the Shariah versions of the Mullahs. I am not arguing whether Pakistan’s creation was right or wrong since everyone has got his/her own perspective and I respect that.

    Quaid-e-Azam would never have asked the non-Muslims to leave Pakistan as he would have continue to have doctors and finance ministers from other faiths even after the partition occurred. But the present condition of the country is due to the flows of hypocrisy, tampering with facts and lack of rationality in our Pakistani society.

    Bollywood has also made movies about the post-partition carnage such as Hey Ram where they showed this Hindu character who was happy saying that Radcliffe has done a great job and removed the cancer from our body. Communal violence and animosity existed in Indo-Pak Subcontinent even before 1940s, not to forget the activities of RSS and Arya Samaj who were formed back then and had offended Muslims on numerous times. Moreover, the Muslims of the region weren’t united on any platform, apart from political sides they had so many divisions and sectarianism which continues to date. For instance, some sects and institutions of Muslims in both India and Pakistan issued fatwas against Dr. Zakir Naik whereas there are many who haven’t and don’t consider the speaker offensive anyway. Recommend

  • Rashid

    @Shakir Lakhani

    Why Muslims are lagging behind rest of the population in UK, USA, France, Canada? Surely there are no Hindus who are keeping Muslims deprived in these countries. Recommend

  • optimist

    If INDIA has SAME NUMBER of Muslims as Pakistan and they are better in every sense, please answer me this:
    .
    Pakistan has 700,000 Muslims in Army. How many Muslims India has in Army (considering similar population of Muslims). Answer this and then I will ask about police/civil service/navy etc.Recommend

  • Shiv

    ‘I believe that my parents took the right decision in 1947 and migrated to the new country. Had they stayed in India, they would surely have been killed by wild mobs, who were indulging in indiscriminate killing of Muslims.’
    Wonder who killed all the Hindus and Sikhs in Jinnah’s call for ‘Direct Action’ or later during the riots of partition. Nevertheless, only if all the Muslims parents in 1947 had thought like your parents, India would have been a much more peaceful country.
    Having said that, many in India believe that Jinnah was right in his two nation theory. It is to his credit that more Muslims are killed in Pakistan today than would have been the case if India were undivided, in which case many of them would have been non Muslims. Recommend

  • Shiv

    @Shakir Lakhani:
    Something is wrong with your arithmetic as well. The total population for Pakistan and Bangladesh is no more than (180+160) = 340 million.
    The author seems to have been influenced by what has been taught in schools in Pakistan; most of the data is just false. If this is the level of the educated class in Pakistan, Allah must be aghast at his believers!Recommend

  • Saadat

    Do the religion makes a nation?. Are all the countries across the world were created in the name of religion? When we talk about the religion we ignore sentiments of the citizens living in the same country. We turn one nation into majority and minority, thus create hatred, differences and polarization among the citizens of one country,this makes the foundation stone for the creation of another country out of a country in future. Recommend

  • mind control

    @Shakir Lakhani:

    Was the creation of Pakistan a mistake?

    A. I planted a Babool (Acacia nilotica) sapling in my backyard.

    B. I wanted to have mangoes when the tree grew up.

    C. When the sapling grew into a tree, it bore thorns and not mangoes.

    D. Now everyone tells me that it was a mistake to plant a Babool and expect mangoes.

    Please help me convince them that it was / is not a mistake.Recommend

  • Virkaul

    @Shakir Lakhani: I am really amazed to read your response and arithmetic on number of Muslims in the subcontinent. Imagined fears shows lack of conviction among Muslims which probably emanates from lack of education, absence of critical thinking that promotes irrationality. Economic dominance, forced conversions, usurping of key positions, enslavement and similar fears were only floated to polarize Muslims so that mullah and the nawabs could rule. For explanation of the ‘missing tribes’, look for explanation in GP65′s second post.Recommend

  • mind control

    @Shakir Lakhani:

    Most ordinary Pakistanis are not at all bothered about whether their neighbours or friends are Muslims or not.

    If that is what ‘Ordinary’ Muslims want, then Gujranwala must be full of ‘Extra Ordinary’ Muslims. Read on.

    Then one day during Ramazan, Ahmed said, three neighbouring shopkeepers and two clerics barged into his workshop and began beating him. They told him to leave at once if he wanted to protect his life and his family, he said. He asked to be allowed to remove his machinery from the shop, but they refused, he said. He rushed home, just a few hundred yards away, gathered his wife and three young children, and left Gujranwala.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/593922/rights-of-minorities-ahmadis-not-allowed-to-do-business-in-muslim-areas/

    Moderator ET- You would not want to keep Mr Lakhani in the dark. Would you?
    PS- I am quoting news from public domain.Recommend

  • observer

    @Shakir Lakhani:

    I remember a statement by Sardar Vallabhai Patel some months after partition, in which he said, “The Muslims remaining in India are more than in the new state of Pakistan”. Remember, Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was part of Pakistan at that time…..Perhaps some Indians reading this can explain this mystery.

    OK. Now that we the discussing the Hows and Whys of statements by politicians, I am reminded of one too.

    Z.A.Bhutto said ‘Pakistan will fight a 1000 year war with India’.

    And we know that Pakistan folded up in 15 days in 1965 (6th Sep to 22nd Sep), 13 days in 1971 (3rd Dec to 15th Dec) and 49 days in 1999 (May 26th to July 14th).

    That makes a grand total of 77 days.

    Now, can you explain the mystery of the missing Days, Weeks, Months, Years, Decades and Centuries please? Or, may be some other compatriot of yours?Recommend

  • Pradhan

    @Researcher:

    If you really think your rebuttal will change his mind then my friend wake up. People like the author don’t change if he couldn’t change his views till this age then no way he is going to change.

    Who you should be writing the rebuttal is for the average Pakistani who come to this blog.Recommend

  • Pradhan

    @K.Chohan:

    Also By you logic will you support creation of countries for Ahmadi ?? By law you have called them non-muslims right??Recommend

  • gp65

    ET Mods – HE has specifically asked this question of me and some others. Please allow me to reply.

    @Shakir Lakhani : You ask why are Hindus not leaving PAkistan if it is bad for ,minorities shows you have been oblivious to what has been happening in Pakistan. 51% of Karachi’s population was Hindu as per the 1941 census. There was no partition of Sind. Please tell me where those Hindus are. But just in case the precipitous decline of Hindu population in Pakistan itself does not convince you, please read this http://tribune.com.pk/story/419691/persecution-forces-60-hindu-families-to-migrate-to-india/

    @mind control: “Now everyone tells me that it was a mistake to plant a Babool and expect mangoes”

    Yes Sir. I too am a fan of Sant Kabir : ‘Jab boya ped babool ka aam kahaan se khaay’Recommend

  • Cross-eyed

    @ Tribune Reader
    @ Falcon eye

    Happened both ways. Why conveniently forget that ?Recommend

  • Pradhan

    @Shakir Lakhani:

    @ Researcher/GP65/Ghulam Mohammed: OK, the Muslim population of Pakistan & Bangladesh is 330 million, but that of India is 180 million. If the Muslim population of India at the time of partition was equal to that of Pakistan/Bangladesh combined, then it should also be equal today, but it is not so. I reiterate that India’s Muslim population today should be 330 million, and the fact that it is only 180 million means that either forced conversions took place or more were killed in communal riots than reported.
    .
    .
    You seriously don’t see anything wrong with your interpretation or you are just messing with people ?? Recommend

  • Atif

    The creation of Pakistan did favor the Muslim community at large, however, the way the partition was carried out is completely unacceptable to me!. The Muslims League/Indian Congress went ahead with a terribly executed plan and the British Empire did not provide any security to the refugees. In fact the British Indian Army was never even properly utilized to ensure a smooth and violence free partition. This was a terrible mistake that lead a 1 million deaths, countless no of rapes, kidnappings, etc and the Muslim league and congress simply passed off the casualties as “sacrifices” for independence which is my view is total non-sense.

    Was the creation of Pakistan in the interests of Muslims ? YES
    Was the killing of 1 million civilians under the pretext of partition justified ? NO!!!
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  • Virkaul

    @FALCON EYE: Bloodshed happened both ways. Lots of Hindus & Sikhs were butchered by Muslims as well. That is why I call it mad frenzy.Recommend

  • smbfhs

    OMG! If only a column in Pak paper could fetch a whole army of Indian trolls that are Armed to the tooth & nail, I now definitely feel real real sorry for the poor left-behind Muslims in India, for not able to speak or open their mouth while living inside the hornets’nest.

    Pakistanis should be happy and thankfull a million times they are not living with these trolls, at least. Nice lesson, Mr Lakhani!

    Recommend

  • http://Yahoo.com SHB

    I had written my note more than 48 hrs ago. So far I do not see it.
    I am from the generation which was born after creation of Pakistan.
    For us Pakistan is our life and home. To me the title of this blog is wrong. Pakistan just celebrated 66th birth day and pretty soon there will be 100th. I wish to see that day.

    We should learn from the history of USA.200 yrs ago ,when USA was created, there were lot of problems. USA was not that good at that time what it is today but no body questioned the creation of the country. Same way in Pakistan, we need to work on different issues and make the life better for all the citizens. We need to look at the glass as half full rather saying half negative.
    We are going to have third or fourth generation , being born in this country.
    To go back to the status of pre partition is not the option. Period. For me India is a foreign country like any other country. I am proud to be a Pakistani and I admire my forefathers to make the decision to make this country. Now is the time to build and devolp this country.
    Even after forty yrs, Pakistan is my recognition, whenever I go abroad and I am proud of that
    I hope ET moderator will let my note appear this time. ThanksRecommend

  • Saad riaz

    It makes me laugh when people still discuss if pakistan was a mistake or not. The fact is pakistan exist since last 66 years and people including me love to be identified as Pakistani. I will rather die before changing my nationality to indian or any other country of the subcontinent.Recommend

  • Maria

    It seems ET does not wish to hear the opinion who is a simple native Pakistani daughter of the soil because they refused my last comment. For Pakistanis like us there is no debate about partition because we never considered India a country let alone our country but just a British created colony. Urdu speaking Muhajirs from India and others may debate Pakistan’s creation but my family and families like mine who are native Pakistanis want nothing to do with India and have never questioned partition since we have always felt we are different.Recommend

  • Alann

    @smbfhs: “OMG! If only a column in Pak paper could fetch a whole army of Indian trolls that are Armed to the tooth & nail, I now definitely feel real real sorry for the poor left-behind Muslims in India, for not able to speak or open their mouth while living inside the hornets’ nest.”

    I spotted atleast 4 Indian Muslims among the “Indian trolls” commenting on this article. And they all said they are living a better life in India than those inside Pakistan. If ET stops letting any random ridiculous person to make an article about “condition of Muslims in India” every couple months, no Indian will jump in here to correct these false assumptions, or in your words to “troll” over ET.
    If Pakistanis learned to accept facts from various independent sources instead of calling others trolls, things would be much better. But that can’t really be expected, as Pakistanis only believe what they want to believe, despite what the facts say.Recommend

  • Saad riaz

    I dont really understand why we cannot treat india just as a neighbour rather than a friend or enemy. No body in pakistan care if we are friends with inda or not. All we want is safe and peacefull border with no badmaashi from indian side.Recommend

  • http://karachi sohail khan

    We should now avoid to create any type of hatered and misunderstanding between Pakistan and India. We must know that India braces more than 250.0 million muslims in that country where I think constitutionally full rights have been given to muslim minority. There are some problemetic ‘ hindu extremist ‘ but they are hardly 5% of the whole indian population and such extremist elements are also found in pakistan and elsewhere in the world. New generation of Indian muslims are wise enough to absorb themselves in the mainstream of India, so now they are on the road of progress. We pakistanis wish goodluck for our brethern Indian muslims and desire a friendship with India which is in the interest of about 1750.0 billion people of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.Recommend