Explaining the garlands for Qadri

Published: January 20, 2012
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The bitter truth is that most Pakistanis condemn the court's verdict of capital punishment for Qadri. PHOTO: INP

PHOTO: REUTERS PHOTO: AFP The bitter truth is that most Pakistanis condemn the court's verdict of capital punishment for Qadri. PHOTO: INP The bitter truth is that most Pakistanis condemn the court's verdict of capital punishment for Qadri. PHOTO: WASEEM NIAZ/EXPRESS

You may argue that a large number of people in Pakistan condemn the assassination of Salmaan Taseer. But the truth, though bitter, is that many instead of condemning the heinous act of a murderer, condemn the verdict of the court which proclaims capital punishment for Mumtaz Qadri. 

There are campaigns running throughout the country that pay tribute to a murderer. Huge posters of Qadri, decked with Quranic verses and beautiful roses, are plastered all over and yet there is no one to remove such aberrations. Some believe that the reason for this queer phenomenon is illiteracy, and talk about it in a way that makes illiteracy seem like a sin. The truth is that you cannot blame illiteracy alone for such happenings. Can illiteracy be blamed when a lawyer applauds Qadri on the way to his court proceedings for his ‘lofty deeds’?

I still remember the day that one of my classmates refused to shake my outstretched hand because I am an Ahmadi. I was in Islamabad then, a city with a literacy rate of more than 80 per cent, and the course which my honourable Muslim friend and I (a non-Muslim declared by the state) were enrolled in was Masters in English Literature. Can studying literature ever be considered a harbinger to such narrow-mindedness when one thinks of himself as paleed (filthy) after shaking hands with someone of a different belief? Is this illiteracy? I do not think so.

In a recent debate on blasphemy held in the Punjab Assembly, the Planning and Development Minister Chaudhry Abdul Ghafoor showed double standards when he first said “the faithful would not always wait for court orders in such cases” and later said “the minority members should wait until the court decided Aasia Bibi’s fate.” I am baffled as to why the ‘faithfuls’ would not wait for court orders when minorities should have to wait for court orders. Are those who formulated the blasphemy laws against which the slain governor raised his voice, deemed illiterate? Going further back in Pakistan’s history, are we to consider those who amalgamated Islam with Pakistan illiterate?

The real cause, therefore, does not seem to be the illiteracy of the people, but it is indeed the coercion of a misinterpreted version of Islam. Let me reproduce the arguments of Qadri’s defence:

“My client issued a 40-page written statement, which refers to 11 verses of the Quran, the Sunnah, and 28 citations of prominent Muslim jurists. If Qadri had not carried it out, someone else would have”.

The lawyer thinks that Salmaan Taseer’s death was inevitable in the light of Quran and Islamic jurisprudence. Another paper reads:

“By punishing one Mumtaz Qadri, you will produce a thousand Mumtaz Qadris!” a man shouted through a megaphone outside the jail.

Unfortunately, those whose only focus is the hasty execution of the court verdict, should bear in mind that sending Qadri to the gallows is not going to bear any fruit except for a minuscule contentment which the Taseer family might gain out of the punishment.

The real crook is not Mumtaz Qadri, but those who made him think that beheading someone is not a crime but a gateway to Jannah (paradise). The real culprits are those who indoctrinated Mumtaz Qadri and heaps alike, by misinterpreting the verses of the Holy Quran and Sunnah. The criminals are those jurists who had issued 28 citations inciting someone to take somebody’s life. The death of Qadri shall only be bereavement for many, but will never remedy the rampant lunacy which overrules all emotions.

Ahmad Rashid

Ahmad Rashid

An alumni of a religious university who has specialised in the studies of comparative religions. He also holds an MA in English Literature and Linguistics. He currently working for a community in London and tweets @rashid_zafar

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • http://www.zaidzamanhamid.wordpress.com Zaid Hamid

    A shaheed is a shaheed…Recommend

  • shakil amjad

    the way people hail qadri as some hero,the way his son was garlanded by religious fanatics on 4th january shows the diseased mindset prevailing in our society where a murderer instead of being condemned,is deified and his family rewarded for his crime.the amount of ppl supporting qadri’s barbarity puts to rest that fallacy that liberals like to repeat continously,that pakistan is a moderate country,that the majority is a silent majority.we’ve seen with events over the last decade that the majority isn’t silent,it’s very vocal on the streets,it’s very vocal at dharnas,it’s very vocal on the mazhabi channels.it’s the rational,critical thinkers who are in the minority and a very small minority at that.our society takes great pride in being severely misogynistic and homophobic.it’s not like these ppl garlanding qadri are ashamed of what they are doing.Recommend

  • http://www.pakistani-revival.blogspot.com Ovais

    why dont we get it .. Qadri killed a man because of the love for Prophet ..We dont hae any proof regarding disrespect of the Prophet by Taseer .. .Let Taseer be convicted in murder and get hanged .. for some he is dead for others he is shahedd..

    Only Allah Knows BestRecommend

  • alicia

    Just getting degrees by ratta and plagarism does not make a person literate.
    Anyway the present generation of Pakistanis have completely disappointed me.Recommend

  • mr akhter

    I am truly disgusted at the pictures i see of the murderer qadri . Even more disturbing when so called guardians of the law (lawyers) defend and honour this barbarian. These fanatics too easily misconstrue ayats of the koran to defend their warped version of Islam. The koran also says to murder one person is murder of all humanity. Recommend

  • mr akhter

    @zahid hamid
    a shaheed is not a shaheed! Qadri is a mindless murderer! Nothing more nothing less. I for one will be satisfied when his execution is carried out. Justice has to be done to send a clear message to all extremists that you are not above the law.Recommend

  • mr akhter

    Stop censoring meRecommend

  • http://www.tanzeel.wordpress.com Tanzeel

    Along with Academic this nation needs to be Socially and Behaviorally literate as well. Recommend

  • Murtaza Ali Khan

    Agreeing with Mumtaz Qadri and his philosophy of the murder, yet alone trying to justify it is complete bonkers.

    Islam never, ever justifies or promotes murder. The problem is the conservative mindset which prevails in the society of Pakistan. Taseer didn’t commit blasphemy by advocating against the blasphemy law, the law was man-made and not even part of the Sharia or the Islamic doctrine.

    Qadri has accepted invitation to go to Hell, and to anyone who agrees with Qadri or the philosophy therein can go there as well.Recommend

  • http://www.pakistani-revival.blogspot.com Ovais

    I am sorry i meant Qadri being hung .. not taseer..Recommend

  • http://lonepkliberal.wordpress.com Loneliberal PK

    A guy who believes there’s a great reward awaiting him in paradise, seems to be wiggling around an awful lot trying save his pathetic life and delay that reward process.

    Curious, isn’t it?Recommend

  • http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/author/430/faraz-talat/ Faraz Talat

    “sending Qadri to the gallows is not going to bear any fruit except for a minuscule contentment”

    ..while not sending Qadri to the gallows sets a precedent that all crime is acceptable if the convict thinks he’s doing it in God’s name. Cheers!Recommend

  • Jehanzeb

    @Mustafa Hanif
    If your argument is accepted, some may accuse Muslims of the manipulation of the Torah and the Bible. Afterall, those books preceded the Quran and carried same or similar narrative.Recommend

  • Yuri Kondratyuk

    @Mustafa Hanif:

    Hasn’t your sect (Ahmedi) manipulated
    the Quran to create a different
    religion out of thin air ? :)

    Name one religion that’s created out of anything than thin air:)

    @Author,

    The real crook is not Mumtaz Qadri,
    but those who made him think that
    beheading someone is not a crime but a
    gateway to Jannah (paradise)

    You have committed blasphemy just by typing that!Recommend

  • narayana murthy

    @Mustafa Hanif…who says “Hasn’t your sect (Ahmedi) manipulated the Quran to create a different religion out of thin air ? :)”

    How do you know that? Quran is vulnerable to interpretation just like any book. It’s a book written by humans at the end of the day.

    So, how do you know that their interpretation is manipulation and your interpretation is the truth?!Recommend

  • Maulvi Imran Ahmed

    The people who applaud or condone or try to justify or mitigate the actions of the cold blooded murderer who purportedly wants shahadat but tries to avoids the gallows may be literate but they are unreasoning and proud of their illogicality.

    Their belief is unreasoning and based on a proud hatred of all things they lack. These include logic or the ability to see more than one side of a debate. Any sensible questioning of their stupidity evokes frothing at the mouth or murderous violence.Recommend

  • Talha

    @Mustafa Hanif:

    Manipulated the Quran?

    Different interpretations can hardly be considered as manipulation, and Ahmadi’s present a peaceful narrative of the Quran.

    Can’t say that about some others. Recommend

  • arsalan

    he is a cold blooded murderer , great article.. would like to support you , what you said is true regarding being an ahmadi.. everyone has the right to be what he or she wants to be , practice what he or she wants to practice.. also @ mustafa please try not to drift the topic on pinpointing some ones religion with a question like this.. get a life.. there are better things to do seriously man.. Recommend

  • Kamran Paracha

    Can someone “educated” who supports Qadri come and hold a discussion on this Blog? All I get to see here are anti Mumtaz Qadri Recommend

  • Aijaz

    Plese don’t blame the whole Pakistan, something is not right with people living in Punjab.Recommend

  • sars

    I think people were in general better muslims (and people) a couple of decades ago when they didnt wear their religion on their sleeves but were honest, didnt hate or harm each other ,worked hard and studied and were taught honestly.

    Now overt symbols of religion are everywhere except in our deads and thought.Recommend

  • Muhammad

    Though it was not a praiseworthy incident , politicians and others who use their authority to hurt the religious or patriotic feelings of public, must learn a lesson from this incident. Playing with the religious feelings of the people is never allowed in any civil society including US & Germany.

    Request to my Ahmadi friends to argue logically on all platform without hiding your identity just because of social responses.Recommend

  • SJ

    Well Mumtaz Qadri will eventually be hanged so I prefer not to whine much about seeing his supporters condemning the conviction. Fanatics do exist in our society but still they can’t get their hero acquitted or pardoned.
    With education you may learn how to read a Quran but not how to interpret it.
    As far as Salman Taseer goes, I think there is a lot of suffering in Pakistan on which he could’ve focused on but he had to divert his attention & resources to the injustice of Blasphemy laws so that he could impress the west & his fellow “wannabe westerner elites” of Pakistan. However, I certainly do condemn his assassination.Recommend

  • http://tribune.com.pk Ayesha

    nice jobe ……… Recommend

  • http://tribune.com.pk Ayesha

    Good job ……………………Recommend

  • JustAnotherPakistani

    @Mustapha Hanif aren’t most religions the ravings of a lunatic fringe? Is your religion any better?

    If I had been one of the guards on the late governor’s security detail Qadri would now be a true “Shaheed”.

    Will they publish this? Probably not because the mods come from the same schizophrenic society that can’t decide if Qadri is a devil or an angel? At the moment I hope he’s getting the treatment he deserves in jail. Recommend

  • http://tribune.com.pk Ayesha

    Good job …………………………..Recommend

  • http://tribune.com.pk Ayesha

    Good job ……………………………Recommend

  • faraz

    Life is tough and an unpleasant ride for most; and mullahs present a vision of paradise that attracts the fantasy of every individual. Why I should live if 72 virgins are waiting for me in heaven. It’s a simplistic and cheap but shockingly effective manner to draw people towards acts of murder. Recommend

  • Maulvi Imran Ahmed

    @SJ I see we are back at the game of blaming the victim for the crime + adding a “but” to every condemnation of crimes committed by misguided fanatics.

    Salman Taseer is the victim. He was murdered by a criminal. Taseer is NOT the criminal in this crime. Qadri is the one who committed murder. He was WRONG to commit murder. He is a criminal Is that difficult to say?

    For the record, as a Sunni Muslim I believe that Taseer courageously stood up for the rights of a poor and weak Christian woman in the best traditions of Islam giving his life to a just cause. His past misdeeds are washed away in my eyes with this great act of unselfish sacrifice.Recommend

  • Zalmay

    Stop the censorship. Your readership is limited to a handful of literate people in Pakistan and the rest of us are overseas. So don’t worry about repercussions or consequences of publishing comments that might be construed as anti patriotic or anti Islam or any other idea that could be attached to the prefix anti. Recommend

  • JustAnotherPakistani

    @Mohammad spoken like a true religious scholar, i.e., without any knowledge and even less scholarship. Tell me about the law in the United States that allows the courts to sentence someone to death for blaspheming a religion? When will you learn that your religious sentiments aren’t more important than a single hair on the head of a human being.

    People like you give a bad name to Islam. The mere fact that people are afraid to admit their religious identities should show you the true horror of your beliefs.Recommend

  • http://www.pakistani-revival.blogspot.com Ovais

    @ ayesha .. your comment awaits moderation means sth :pRecommend

  • http://www.KashifMD.com Kashif

    Great article Mr. Rashid. The true criminals are indeed the perverted Mullahs who preach hatred and incite violence against those they disagree with or percieve as threat.

    Power to your pen!Recommend

  • Parvez

    Nicely written and nicely argued. I keep repeating a comment on such articles and I’ll do it again : ……and we still do nothing about the Madrassas and their sponsors.Recommend

  • Ali Tanoli

    @Paracha
    E.T dont print if u try to explaine in details may be this is policy of shami sahab they run away when truth comes like there ancestor Tahir Mirza ran away from lahore court from Mufti Mehmood sahab (R,A).Recommend

  • Ali Tanoli

    The truth there will be no more prophet come after Muhammad(pbuh) he is last and true in all meaning and if some body wants a copy of that case when qadianis declears non muslim in court front of best ullama karam (R.A) They can obtain from Karachi head office of Idare Khatme Nabuwat Quaid mazar M.A Jinnah road.Recommend

  • http://NewYork Falcon

    @Ahmed Rashid
    I am really sorry to hear about your experience with your classmate in Islamabad. On the issue of Qadri, this is a very weird case. One of the most confusing things is that those who have sympathies for Qadri and those that hate Qadri produce diametrically opposite version of events and relevant information. Even though our knee jerk reaction is to hate those who support him, it would be really helpful to know what is going on in their minds. From popular Islamic jurisprudence perspective as well, Qadri was wrong and that is why people who support him are either unaware / deluded. May the justice be served against the cold-blooded murder of a brave man, but the social behavior itself warrants more research. Recommend

  • Humanity

    @Ali Tanoli:

    The country is reaping the bitter harvest from the tree of evil that was planted and nurtured by the so-called muftis and maulanas, each a bigger megalomaniac than the other. the proof is evident from the rotting carcase of humanity that the Pakistani society has become.

    May God help you to let go your hatred and anger. To be at peace with others you must be at peace with your own selfRecommend

  • xyz

    This whole aasia bibi case is appalling. What is wrong with Pakistanis ? First of all, that lady probably didn’t even do the things she was accused of saying. And even she did, so what ? Is peoples faith so weak that they feel threatened by words of a non-Muslim ? Let people say what the hell they want to. That shouldn’t make others call for their blood. Even if the lady did say something “blasphemous”, taking her life is too big a punishment. Doesn’t the quran say something about forgiveness ? And i am sure allah won’t be too pleased with you people for trying to get her hanged.Recommend

  • alicia

    I remember reading a post by a Pakistani blogger which really shook me. According to it a LUMS graduate went to meet Mumtaz Qadri along with his lawyer friend who wanted to represent Qadri. And according to those people Qadri had noor on his face which differentiated him from normal people. His cell smelled of rose petals but he didn’t have rose petals anywhere which was further proof of his righteousness since Allah made his cell smell of roses. However Qadri refused the lawyers help because he already has one of the top lawyers in Pk representing him for free!! Wierd isn’t it??
    What more do u expect of a country where everyone wears religion on their sleeve.Recommend

  • Haji

    Pakistan ka matlab kya ? ? ?Recommend

  • Talha

    @Haji:

    This is the matlab:

    Indeed Jinnah ruled out “Pakistan ka matlab kiya, La illaha illallah” when he censured a Leaguer at the last session of the All India Muslim League after partition in these words: “Neither I nor the Muslim League Working Committee ever passed a resolution — Pakistan ka matlab kiya — you may have used it to catch a few votes.”

    Two Nation TheoryRecommend

  • SJ

    @Maulvi Imran Ahmed: I did condemn Taseer’s killing in my comment didn’t I? A crime was committed by Qadri and he has been convicted APPROPRIATELY for it.
    “For the record” I want the Blasphemy laws to be OVERTURNED so I’m NOT blaming Taseer for his stance. He was surely the victim of Qadri’s crime. My point above was that where was Taseer’s moral conscience in other injustices happening in Pakistan, but you wrongly interpreted my comment above by trying to say that I support Qadri’s actions somehow.
    . What if Aasia bibi said the “blasphemous words” she has been convicted for? Will you support a death sentence for her then? In fact you should advocate for the inclusion of law on apostasy in Pakistani law as well.Recommend

  • Salman

    @Faraz Talat:
    ParadoxRecommend

  • abhi

    @Talha
    Just finish reading the link posted by you. I am really amaged to see how somebody can think and write such logically absurd piece! But what can be said, there are all kind of people in this world. Recommend

  • Cynical

    This garlanding of Qadri is in line with our age old tradition of making hero out of killers of infidel kafirs,non believers and who so ever who was found short in believing, anywhere in the world.Recommend

  • Tony Singh

    Funny. but when when one says 72 virgins, it only means “sex sells”Recommend

  • Asad Rasheed

    The article is wonderfully written and presents a true pictorial condition of country’s majority.

    i am happy too find out the comments are very healthy and gives me confidence to say that a very open mind youth has supported the core of the article . which is very optimistic .
    So Rather i should start an infinite debate and argument , i want to say some thing different

    in the world , we are living . the definition of truth and false is hard to find , there is too many interpretation and too many logic and too many justifications of doing good and bad .
    the rule is simple and yet conclusive. religion came to this world to make peace not the war , this should be known and practiced by each one of us and a very thoughtful factor is
    today , we speak a lot good but we practice very little .

    lets be honest with ourselves, our people ,our city and our beloved country .

    God bless Pakistan.Recommend

  • Talha

    @abhi:

    What’s logically absurd about it?

    The fact is that Muslim League was a secular party which was opposed by Islamists supported by the congress.

    Jamaat e Islami, Majlis Ahrar, etc were all congress funded and supported.

    They used to curse Jinnah and Pakistan but regrettably moved here after partition to wreck havoc.Recommend

  • T R Khan

    @Ali Tanoli:


    The truth there will be no more prophet come after Muhammad(pbuh) he is last and true in all meaning ….”

    What about Jesus (as)? Would he be not the last prophet to guide and lead the Muslims and the last to die in this world?Recommend

  • RKM

    well, i shall tell you guys one story of 1920s when there a similar case in the sub-continent. where, a teenaged boy named Ilm Din killed a sikh Rajpal who happened to be the publiher of a book which in Ilm Din’s view were derogatory to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Ilm Din killed Rajpal Singh. And when his case was in court. Muhammad Ali Jinnah (MAJ) provided services free of cost just cause MAJ thought Ilm Din did the correct thing.

    So I’ll say, your founder even had same views, how can his next generations of people whom he gave new land will be different.

    And I am sure, after reading this story (which you can google also) many of you who happen to not support Qadri, will still support MAJ. Yes, we are hypocrites, until and unless we dun accept our mistakes, we cant move forward and correct them.Recommend

  • JustAnotherPakistani

    @SJ:
    Even if this unfortunate woman has said what’s being claimed there’s no reason to jail her. Ideas and opinions have never harmed anyone. We should be free to say whatever we feel needs to be said without fear.Recommend

  • Humanity

    @Haji aslked:
    Pakistan ka matlab kya ? ? ?

    The pre-partion anti-Pakistan Mullahs who fought tooth and nail to prevent the birth of Pakistan were shame less enough to migrate to Pakistan and coin this naraa to peddle their violent, hate filled ideology.
    They successfully infiltrated the institutions and brain washed people into becoming Lemmings to follow them into a land of self-worshiping, narcissists. Any one who does not agree with this mindset is waj-ul-qatal.
    The reality in the land of pure is proof beyond a shadow of doubt that the ideology of violence and intolerance based on the naraa of Pakistan ka matlab kya ? ? ? has done irreparable damage to the current and future generations.
    The delusional mindset has been programmed to walk in the footsteps of Abu-Jahl and Abu Lahb, where each person now fearless of God, willy nilly judges whosoever they choose to be wajb-ul-qatl.

    By the holy name of one and only Allah(SWT), who is my Creator and my Master, my mind refuses to accept that this desolate landscape of utter brutality, rampant corruption, bone crushing poverty, utter ignorance, and mega arrogance is the answer to the twisted question Pakistan ka matlab kya ? ? ? No this is not the Pakistan for which my family shed blood. It never will be!

    What the anti-Pakistan mullahs failed to achieve before 1947, they have accomplished from within by hallowing the foundation of the society through their campaign of hatred and division.Recommend

  • JustAnotherPakistani

    @Ali Tanoli: What utter nonsense. As if any court can decide the religion of any person. You’re a backward bigot.Recommend

  • Talha

    @RKM:

    Don’t talk if you only know half facts.

    First of all, Jinnah was not the trial lawyer. Second, Ilam Din had entered the not guilty plea through his trial lawyer who was a lawyer from Lahore named Farrukh Hussain. The trial court ruled against Ilam Din. The trial lawyer appealed in the Lahore High Court and got Jinnah to appear as the lawyer in appeal. So there is no way Jinnah could have influenced Ilam Din to change his plea when the plea was already entered at the trial court level.

    Jinnah was brought in later at Iqbal’s insistence. Similarly, Jinnah heavily criticized the Blasphemy Law introduced by the British in the late 20’s. This is what he said about the blasphemy law:

    “If my constituency is so backward as to disapprove of a measure like this then I say, the clearest duty on my part would be to say to my constituency, ‘you had better ask somebody else to represent you’.”

    The Ilam Din fiasco and lies about JinnahRecommend

  • Humanity

    @T R Khan asked of Ali Tanoli:
    What about Jesus (as)? Would he be not the last prophet to guide and lead the Muslims and the last to die in this world?

    Mr Khan, for your information, Mr. Tanoli and his lot have arrived in utopia where there is no further need of any divine guidance what so ever. God’s mouth has been gagged because the mullahs with assorted-color paggars on their megalomaniac heads living off of ill-gotten riches are enough to lead the Lemmings to the remote cliff of their utopia. From there, they will jump into the laps of the 72 virgins waiting for them in the heaven. Jesus (as), if and when he descends back will have to be demoted from his station of prophet hood to satisfy the pre-requisites of acceptance by the ummah.

    Thinking through their logic gives them a migraine. It is a no-brainer to simply lop off the heads of those who dare to challenge the delusional logic and continue to imagine living happily in the lala land.

    Answers to most questions in life are often much simpler than people make them out to be. Recommend

  • x

    @narayana murthy:
    its not a book written by humans. its guidance by Allah conveyed THROUGH the prophet (sw) but it is not written by man.
    I am not a fundamentalist who would declare you as wajib ul qatl. You are entitled to your views, I disagree and indeed pity you, but your life. I can only correct you.
    However, assuming you’re a liberal secular person like all indians, kindly have the courtesy to respect our religion and not offend us on a pakistani website.
    sincerely,
    a pakistani muslimRecommend

  • Ali Tanoli

    @RKM,
    we support both dont worry.Recommend

  • farooqi

    Well written. The real problem is indeed Mullahism. We must get rid it off… fantastic piece!Recommend

  • farooqi

    @asad i agree with you. We need to understand that religion ia for peace not war… spread peace….Recommend

  • Maulvi Imran Ahmed

    @RKM You have tried to compare two superficially similar scenarios and drawn an erroneous conclusion. Nobody wishes to deny Qadri a competent defence counsel and although we dislike the actions of Qadri we will never condemn a lawyer for representing him.
    Salman Taseer was not a blasphemer, he was simply guilty of being a champion for the oppressed while Rajpal was arguably a mischief-maker without higher motives.though this does not justify his extrajudicial killing.Recommend

  • https://www.facebook.com/hifza.jillani Hifza Shah Jillani

    I salute you Ahmed Rashid, the author.

    I wish i could express the respect for you here.Recommend

  • Fareed

    The real problem are we – us – ourself. In all those people coming out in favour of qadri in those pro qadri jalsas how many people are there from the elite class? Are there some from Karachi, Lahore Defence or from the posh islamabad sectors? Nopes !! Its always those poor people who are brainwashed to believe what those maulanas tell them. Why can’t maulanas influence or brainwash the elite class to give up their lavish western style life and accept their interpretation of islam and the way of life like they tell them??? Why are the poor villagers the first to second the maulanas opinions?

    In Pakistan there is nothing like religion or humanity – its all about money and personal gain. Either by brainwashing the poor or getting paid by the wealthy so that maulanas dont infringe the elite.

    Like it or not!Recommend

  • abdallah

    Its horrifying. these people can accuse you of blasphemy, once you are accused this gives them the the authority to kill you. Lunatics. Recommend

  • monadear_ku

    @Yuri Kondratyuk:
    are u Mulana?…i dont think so…how can you pass the verdict that writing such article is blasphemy…heloo get a life…we have to change this mentality…qadri has commit a crime…and he should be punished…please don’t make this murderor a hero…and a humble request please comment having proper knowledge of Islam….. Recommend

  • https://twitter.com/#!/User_Ahmad Ahmad

    I cried for the whole night changing sides thinking and hating every penny the facebook could have earned because of me when I heard that they were making images of my Beloved PROPHET (PEACE BE UPON HIM).

    I am a medically declared human and Chartered Management Accountant (literate) and have every possible right to be respected,no one in this world even the largest social network or the renowned alcoholic businessman of Pakistan have any right to offend me or the millions and trillions of Muslims all around the globe.

    He instead of thinking the consequences and emotional attachments of millions named Blasphemy Laws to be black laws, why, who gives him a right? Why doesn’t he get to the court for getting the things right if he believes them to be wrong? Who gives him a right to decide the fate of many? If Mr. taseer can decide things out of court why don’t Mumtaz Qadri? Why the SC doesn’t takes the Suo Moto notice against the words of Mr. Taseer offending millions.

    A line is required to be drawn between liberties and offending others, don’t extend your hands to hit my nose. And about your religion we can have a good debate you can e-mail me any time.Recommend

  • Maulvi Imran Ahmed

    @Ahmad no one questions your attachment to your faith. Your attachment simply does not give you the right to murder people like Taseer who criticize a law which is man made and in the opinion of many scholars this law contradicts what Our Prophet (pbuh) tried to teach us.
    If Taseer offended you by his stance and in your view committed a serious crime you should have taken him before a judge. No citizen has a right to appoint himself the role of judge and executioner without sanction of Law. No citizen has ever been given this right by our beloved Prophet. One who kills in transgression of the laws is a Qatil and those who applaud his actions are no better.Recommend

  • Wrestling-Geek

    If all you “Liberal”, “Educated”, “Cultured” “Civilized” people who condemn Salman Taseer’s killing quite frankly donot understand the core idea behind it and the basis of Islam.

    Consider this example, and put yourself in other’s shoes to understand

    Me and my friend are sitting with you at a place and having a chat, I have an argument with you and eventually I get angry and call you and your parents NAMES (Gaalis) and my friend is also supporting me. So, what would you do get angry on me and not on my friend? Will I be respected after the incident, as I was before? Will you consider my friend as bad as me or not?

    So, if you have a little bit of common sense and mere knowledge about Islam and its core beliefs, you would know that, a person cannot be a Momin, unless he loves Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W.) more than his parents, his children and anything else.

    So, if you are angry in the imaginary situation above, then you should be 10 times more angry when it comes to Hurmat-e-Rasool (S.A.W.W.). And, Taseer was assassinated for the same reason, he was supporting the people who blaspheme the personality of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W.) and was clearly supporting them, contrary to what Islam teaches us Recommend

  • Dr Imran Ahmed

    If the argument, that a real or perceived insult to a loved one should legitimise revenge including planned murder, is logically extrapolated, Bilawal Zardari ought to be issued a permit to commit genocide on Pakistanis.Recommend

  • https://twitter.com/#!/User_Ahmad Ahmad

    @Maulvi Imran Ahmed:

    :) well though you are calling your self maulvi but you have very limited knowledge leaving this apart, that’s what I am saying why, if he had any objection let it be decided in court? why an alcoholic man makes the comments without any sense, where is that line which is required to be drawn, people even in USA and other so called liberal countries murder when offended, draw a line who should be deciding, I an auditor will do the financial audit or you will be calling a doctor to do it for you, he will not only ruined the task but will impair the objectivity will blame an innocent, and that blame can outrage him to take any sever action.

    let the experts decide, who we are to decide. If we will be making the wrong choices some thing wrong will happen to us, tit for tat simple is that…sorry if I am harsh but the line is required to be drawn… if you cant talk openly about the nazi’s in these liberal countries then we should be having some privileges for our selves as well. sorry if I am difficult… Recommend

  • https://twitter.com/#!/User_Ahmad Ahmad

    @Dr Imran Ahmed: unfortunate is that we find humor out of anything, here we are not talking about one person, here we are talking of millions which are offended out of a purpose. For you the level may be different for me its other, lets respect to live the differences and let the differences be decided by the expert or be the expert. Recommend

  • Katarina

    @Wrestling-Geek:
    The blasphemy laws should be critized because they are misused and against basic human rights like freedom of religion. I do not think that any religion supports murder of people who are critizising the laws. Recommend

  • kaalchakra

    katarina ji, here is the crux of the matter, and where problems have to be ultimately addressed: do basic human rights come before any religion, including Islam, or not, and if they do, what are these rights?

    It simply is not enough to say that my, or your, someone else’s religion is all about human rights, grants rights or this or that – because those perceptions can, do and will change depending upon time, context, and person.Recommend

  • kaalchakra

    Ahmad bhai

    I, for one, sympathize with you fully. But what got into you to interact with non-Muslims?! You know that non-Muslims are not going to alwaqys abide by Muslims’ preferences.

    By the way, some Pakistani friends did start an Islamic rival to facebook. So at least now you have a choice.Recommend

  • Dr Imran Ahmed

    @kaalchakra one of the basic rights is equality before law. If a wretchedly poor and uneducated woman who has apologised in court is sentenced to death for blasphemy then equally her accusers of the majority faith who accept that they insulted Hazrat Isa (A.S.) and his followers by condemning even water offered by his followers as unclean should also have been sentenced to death. If anyone opposed these muslims execution (opposed equal application of blasphemy laws) I wonder if many Qadri clones would have considered him wajib ul qatl?
    What I am saying is that Qadri and his supporters are enemies of justice and law including the laws laid down in the Quran and Sunnah. The Quran does not allow people to kill on whim without legal sanction in fact killing unlawfully is one of the worst sins. A sinner or accused is given the right to escape punishment by tauba and astaghfar before being sentenced.Recommend

  • Katarina

    @kaalchakra:
    “katarina ji, here is the crux of the matter, and where problems have to be ultimately addressed: do basic human rights come before any religion, including Islam, or not, and if they do, what are these rights?”

    Human rights come before religion. People may choose to follow a certain religion if they so choose but if the religion violates human rights the religion has to be changed. Human rights are not static but they are evolving. A good starting point is for example UN declaration of human rights (http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/). Freedom of religion is one of the basic human rights. Therefor something like apostasy cannot exist in a religion because that is a violation against human rights. Recommend

  • Dr Imran Ahmed

    The problem is not very difficult. If Pakistan’s existing blasphemy laws are applied in spirit, equally and without unjustly favouring muslims no one can complain much. If they were applied even handedly tomorrow scores of “alims” and imams from the barelvi, deobandi and ahle hadith sects would be headed to the gallows for offending Judaism, Christianity, Sikhism not to mention Ahmadiyya and Hinduism.
    The Qadri clones will be the first to attack the blasphemy laws when one of their own comes in its sights.Recommend

  • Dr Imran Ahmed

    Apologies, the blasphemy law does not prescribe the gallows for offences against religions other than Islam, however:

    Blasphemy law PPC 153 A (a), whoever “by words, either spoken or written, or by signs, or by visible representations or otherwise, promotes or incites, or attempts to promote or incite, on grounds of religion, race, place of birth, residence, language, caste or community or any other ground whatsoever, disharmony or feelings of enmity, hatred or ill-will between different religious, racial, language or regional groups or castes or communities” shall be fined and punished with imprisonment for a term that may extend to five years.Recommend

  • Katarina

    @Ahmad:
    “He instead of thinking the consequences and emotional attachments of millions named Blasphemy Laws to be black laws, why, who gives him a right? Why doesn’t he get to the court for getting the things right if he believes them to be wrong? Who gives him a right to decide the fate of many? If Mr. taseer can decide things out of court why don’t Mumtaz Qadri? Why the SC doesn’t takes the Suo Moto notice against the words of Mr. Taseer offending millions.”

    Everyone (and especially politicians) have the right and even the obligation to criticize laws if they think that the law is wrong. Why would someone be insulted if someone wants to change the law? The parliament will then decide if the law will be changed or not. Mumtaz Qadri committed a coldblooded murder off an innocent man who only did what he thought was right. (And in my personal opinion it completely crazy to have a blasphemy law and death penalty for that.). What kind of society would that be if people would be allowed to kill other people if they are having a different opinion?Recommend

  • https://twitter.com/#!/User_Ahmad Ahmad

    I appreciate your modesty but your sympathies are not required, thank you.

    As far as behavior with the non-Muslims is concerned, I am Muslim having beard and two Christian maids work in my house, they are well treated and they eat in the same plates as I and my family do, they are not asked to abide by our preferences, the problem is not Islam or any laws associated herewith but the persons practicing it, doing wrong and blaming Islam for their failure, there is one other class who don’t have any knowledge of Islam whatsoever, but finds it to be their legitimate right to comment on critical matters and blaming Islam for any wrong doing.

    But saying all this we should not forget that every society has some privileges, you cannot talk about Nazi’s in Germany, Muslim women are not allowed to take Vail in some countries, even in some countries you can accept any religion but Islam, likewise here in Pakistan we have some Privileges, made keeping in mind the sentiments and preferences of the society at large. But if you still think these are discriminatory take it to court in a reasonable manner and let it be discussed, If in a rally or seminar (let’s say in India) you will pass a comment about their beloved leader (Mahatma Gandhi, I like him too), it might provoke them to hit you back, though they don’t have a right but sentiments are sentiments, people are killed because of them and will be killed. Recommend

  • https://twitter.com/user_ahmad Ahmad

    @Katarina:

    The Recent Govt. has stated so many times and specially by Mr. Gillani “as the matter is with the court, so I would not like to comment on it”. Reham Malik recently said that the remarks of Shehbaz Sharif concerning Mansoor Ejaz are a contempt of court as the matter is under discussion with SC. The matter in response to which your innocent was murdered was in process with the court. So technically speaking his act was illegal with the court and as per me quite unethical, moreover where he passed these comments was neither the floor of the house nor the court room.

    Katarina if you are a Pakistani you have equal right of living in this country with your own preferences, what I and majority of Pakistanis are asking in return is respect, does it suits you to offend me without any purpose? But if you (the people of your thought specifically in Pakistan) still think that it’s your inherent right to intimidate me and most of Pakistanis then you should discuss it on the floor of the house in Court Room, If you decide to do things publically, you are by passing the law and parliament both and public will decide your fate as you are getting personal with them.

    In my personal view things should be decided in court. Recommend

  • Katarina

    @Ahmad:
    In the court there will be made the decision regarding a certain case. Of course that court decision cannot be influenced/changed by outsiders. But the law can be changed and discussed. So for example if there are blasphemy laws that are nonfunctional/irrational/wrong everyone has the right and obligation to speak up and demand that the law should be changed. And no-one can be offended by that because in a democracy we should discuss our laws and make changes when necessary. In the end the parliament will then decide if there is enough of support for the change.

    Regarding ongoing court cases everyone can of course also then say their opinion as many have done regarding Qadris case. But the judge has to follow the existing law at that moment when making the verdict. Why would anyone be intimidated if someone wants to express their opinion?

    And murder is murder and it is irrelevant what the victim did. Recommend

  • Dr Imran Ahmed

    @Ahmad we are almost speaking different languages. Mr Gilani and Mansoor Ejaz are not pertinent and their mention is frivolous. To the best of my recall the young mother Aasiya Bibi was sentenced to death by a Sessions court, the matter was then no longer sub judice. A citizen is free to discuss verdicts and a politician has the responsibility for speaking his mind according to his conscience. Laws are not meant to be made/reformed by judges but by politicians. An appeal against Aasiya Bibi’s conviction was only lodged around Oct 2011 in IHC and has still to be heard. As mentioned earlier Aasiya Bibi had denied disrespect on oath and offered to fulfil the requirement for apology and retraction but was still punished. Maybe the intimidating and worked up crowds outside the courtroom managed to affect the judges sense of self preservation?

    Who is intimidating who? The people who form frenzied mobs of self righteousness shouting slogans of hate at others or reasonable and calm people like Katarina? People like you question her being a Pakistani because she holds a different perspective, that is intimidation. It is also immaterial. We are having an abstract discussion, the views of an “other”, i.e., a non Pakistani or a non muslim do not automatically become of less importance. Giving any argument more or less importance because of “who” voiced the argument is an ad hominem fallacy.

    Since we are all proclaiming religious piety and open mindedness I commend you on allowing Christian girls to eat/drink from the same utensils that you use. All humans in my house also share utensils. Everyone is also invited to share opinions, sloganeering, loud voices and other intimidation is discouraged.

    I strongly disapproved of Salman Taseer until he showed himself to be a man of outstanding courage, conviction and compassion ready to risk his life for the oppressed. The blasphemy law on the face of it may or may not have flaws of a religious nature or of a moral nature – there are views on both sides in Pakistan. In other muslim countries with an exception or two there are no such laws. Whatever the intention behind the drafting of the laws the effect of their implementation has been deplorable. The laws have mostly been mis-used to victimize Christians, to deprive them of land or possession. Ahmadiyya and other minorities have suffered barbaric treatment. Lists have been compiled and are available on the internet enumerating the unfair and unjust treatment of religious minorities by muslims – most “educated” Pakistanis simply close their eyes and deny the evidence. It can be dangerous not to close your eyes and ears because Qadri’s abound everywhere.

    We owe much more to our beloved country and to our beautiful Din than to let brutish jahallya become our face.Recommend

  • Jazib

    I do not support him at all but Mumtaz Qadri was probably just a hired hitman disguised as such to gain public sympathy. The killing was merely political. Recommend

  • https://twitter.com/#!/User_Ahmad Ahmad

    @Dr Imran Ahmed:

    My discussing Gilani & his affiliates were in context to Katarina’s answer, as she was saying that all the politicians so did salman taseer have the right to speak for the case even it is discussed in court, even yesterday in response to Ch. Nisaar’s question on four youngsters being killed in Baluchistan. P.M Gillani said as the matter is with the court so I won’t like to comment on it. Mr. Qamaruzaman Qaira also stated the same outside the court room yesterday. And the same P.M selected salman taseer to be a Govrenor he was not elected. So mention of Mr Gilani and Mansoor Ejaz was pertinent and was in complete context. Yes to some extent I agree that the things can be discussed in public meetings to have an opinion and public support, but one should not be judgmental as taseer was.

    Who is intimidating who? The people who form frenzied mobs of self righteousness shouting slogans of hate at others or reasonable and calm people like Katarina? People like you question her being a Pakistani because she holds a different perspective, that is intimidation.

    Mr. Imran again you have a biased opinion and not surprising is that instead of asking me the reason (if you felt it to be wrong), you have passed the judgement. I don’t have any objection on whatever perspective she holds, but I don’t find my self answerable to any Indian ( I will ask them first what have they done with Babri Masjid), or the pop of Vatican city (because he utters no word when so many innocents were killed in Palestine, only he finds time to talk about Blasphemy Laws). She only have a right to talk about it if she is Pakistani. So please don’t be judgmental about me.

    I am an auditor and even when we know that the person is culprit or laws/policies are hindrance to the achievement of objectives, we give our opinion not judgement to the Audit Committee. Formally using the language “it seems that the following person/policy is responsible for all the wrong doing given the following set of circumstances or documents attached herewith”. They are the authority not I am.

    Likewise changing the constitution is the responsibility of Parliament and changing the law is responsibility of Judiciary, I don’t think he was either a parliamentarian or a Judge.

    Discuss its your right but don’t be Judgmental.Recommend

  • Dr Imran Ahmed

    @Ahmad you are no doubt a good person and as an auditor you use mathematics and logic I am therefore somewhat surprised that the logic of this situation does not reach your heart. Let me try again with words that should be familiar today of all days.

    “O People, just as you regard this month, this day, and this city as sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners.

    Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that He will indeed reckon your deeds.”

    Do you deny that the actions of some so called muslims hurt Asiya Bibi when they refused her gift of water. Do you deny that Salman Taseer, his family and countrymen were unlawfully hurt by his planned and cold blooded murder?Recommend

  • John Johansan

    Sorry to be a pain, and I do totally applaud sobriety and moderation in religious views, but I can’t help but feel that the same logic which disproves extremism also disproves all religious views.

    Once we start basing our actions and beliefs on the material, then extremism can be ironed out of our species. Alas, this doesn’t leave much room for the God of the Christians, Muslims and Jews…Recommend

  • Dr Imran Ahmed

    @John Johansan your point is a valid basis for discussion at another forum. I believe Spinoza managed to reconcile God with Reason but someone with better grounding in Logic may be able to debate this with you, I am not qualified.
    The point here is that oppression of the weak and murder as a tool to silence disagreement are not desirable either by Qadri’s professed religion or by reason (unless one follows the path laid by Niccolò Machiavelli).Recommend

  • Implying

    Just the smell of decay from a rotten nation hitting the semi conscience minds numbed by the rot.Recommend