Madness in the madrassa

Published: July 7, 2011
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Children who have nowhere to go, live in madrassas and eventually become the religious elite of the country. PHOTO: EPA

It was a regular day, I had offered my prayers in the mosque next-door in Rawalpindi. But, as I was about to leave, someone called out to me:

Bhai, one minute, have you come from abroad?

Yes, I said.

A bearded 20-something guy, named Mujahid asked me with pleading eyes:

Kia aap humein angrezi sikhain ge?” (Would you teach us English?)

Perplexed, I agreed.

The word ‘madrassa’ to most of us is similar to the words ‘extremists,’ ‘terrorism’ and ‘fear.’

Every other documentary and report tries to prove that the people of madrassas are a threat to humanity. I had a similar belief about them too. Those who have read “Dulla Shah” by Javed Chaudhry or watched the Karachi Kids documentary would have an idea of what kind of people live in a madrassa – mostly orphans or physically/mentally handicapped children who can’t compete in  life – these people later go on to become our religious elite.

To know the reality of it all, I agreed to meet Mujahid every evening at his madrassa.

The first day was a bit strange for me. My jeans and T-shirt looked weird to them. Even the little kids were whispering among each other.

I greeted them:

“Assalamoalikum!”

A loud voice answered in return:

“Walaikumasalam”

“My name is Saif and I’ll be teaching you English.”

Everyone held their breath and listened carefully.

“Ok, can I have your names please?”

Kashif, Osama , Obaidur Rehman and almost 20 other people, ages ranging from six-years-old to 26-years-old introduced themselves. After that, the learning started.

The alphabets and their sounds were simply a chore. However, the next stage proved to be quite intricate as I moved to “A for apple.” I was shocked and felt miserable to find that many of the students were from such poor families that they hadn’t even seen an apple in their lives.

What could you expect from such people when they become the religious leaders of the country? Of course they would take revenge from the society for its neglect towards them.

I asked Mujahid:

“Why do you want to learn English?”

Mujahid, whose cheeks turned red every time we studied “G for girl” said in an unyielding voice:

“I want to compete with the Americans. I want to understand them and I want to fight with them.”

Mohammad and Abdul Samad, the two siblings of five and six years from Swat intrigued me the most. With light brown sparkling eyes and fair complexion, if they were well dressed, one wouldn’t be able to tell if they were from a remote area of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa or if they were British. It felt awful to see them mopping the mosque’s floor and washing utensils.

I taught there for almost two months – basic English reading and writing. Sometimes even the maulana, who was in his late forties, joined us for writing classes . His name was Maulana Fazl e Wahab.

Given that his children go to an English medium school, one day I asked him:

“Why don’t you give them pencils and notebooks to read and write?”

I heard the most dreadful answer of my life:

“If we give them pencils they write on the walls and make them dirty, they are here to get religious education and they are getting that.”

He had no answer to how they would compete in this age of information and technology when they leave.

Sometimes it feels really strange that in technology we are always looking for the best – when purchasing a cell phone we Google its features and options first, but when it comes to religion, we listen to and blindly follow, a person who can’t even spell his own name.

When a child is born, every parent wants him/her to be a doctor, engineer or a banker, but not a maulvi.

Why do only orphans, blind or physically/mentally challenged children come to this field?

What do we expect from a socially isolated person, who has been outlawed from watching movies or listening to music all his life?

Can someone who has been trained to beg in the name of zakat really help us to understand the concept of jihad?

What do you expect from someone who is labelled ‘mullah’ and ‘maulvi’ and discouraged from wearing western clothes or using good perfumes?

Can you expect him to reveal the real Islam to us?

No. He will have his revenge.

The day is not far when the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) will take form in every madrassa around this country. And, we all will be responsible for that.

Saif Tahir

Saif Tahir

The writer is an academic who likes to capture life through both the lens and the pen.

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Ihk

    Very good article. Islam has no room for illiterate people.Recommend

  • Hira

    Touching. If only more people would actually visit seminaries themselves.Recommend

  • Ali

    A well written article.Recommend

  • Lost Identity

    ‎3 words for this propaganda exercise the writer has beautifully, Grossly generalized, stereotyped and over simplified things to create disired effects in minds of readers.Recommend

  • abhi

    Nice blog! very thought provoking questions indeed. Recommend

  • asif butt

    In 30 years war in 16th century 1/3 of the population of Germany died. These wars were religious wars between protestants and catholics.
    I fear we are heading for our religious wars. Will 1/3 of Pakistanis die before we learn. It is the taqdir of monotheistics perhaps.Recommend

  • abhi

    @lost indentity
    I think author has raised some good questions here, you can say this is not the case of every madarsa, but it is true for most of the madarsas. Anybody having money, whishes their kid to study in proper school. what these poor kids learning in madrsa’s is anybody’s guess.Recommend

  • rana

    very true……..i think first step should be the up-gradation of MadrassasRecommend

  • http://www.habloid.wordpress.com Habiba Younis

    a every thoughtful analysis, great read!Recommend

  • Bashaar

    I myself am a 20 year old Hafiz-e-Quran and at present have spend more than 7 years in a madrassah from morning till evening and am now doing my A Levels along with my brother who has just entered his O Levels who was only 9 years old when he joined the madrassah and believe me when I tell you that my family is pretty well off.

    First and foremost, my Qari Sahab or more commonly known as, Sir, was an educated individual himself. Well, at least a matriculated student. And no, we were not ‘bad school students’ who failed their classes so their parents decided to send them to the madrassah. We actually volunteered to go and enjoyed every minute of it. So that completely eradicates the author’s assumption that even Mr Noman has referred to in his argument. :)

    Moreover, the author questions ‘why do only orphans, blind or physically/mentally challenged children come to this field?’. Have a look at my profile picture, people.. I look pretty fit, right? ;) My brother and I are not orphans. My brother and I, both are mentally and physically strong Mashallah. My brother has perfect eye-sight. I, however, have damaged mine, but am still able to see so that rules out the blind part as well. :) All that, Alhumdulillah, applies to the other 50-70 of my madrassah fellows.
    Furthermore, my madrassah offered tuitions to all the students there. They were taught English, Urdu, Mathematics and Science in the evening. This place that I speak of is not exactly as wonderful as you people may have imagined it to be. My madrassah is situated in Burns Road on the mezzanine floor, with a total of two rooms adjacent to a mosque. So you cannot call it a highly invested project. But it did what it could for its students. As the years passed, through some contacts, the madrassah got hold of a few computers and soon computer studies classes commenced. You would be also be shocked to know that the children there received all this education for free. The administration, which comprised only 2 men, were such good and pious men that the people around them took utmost joy in helping them out. Mashaallah. By the way, the person who did all the ‘worldly’ teaching there? Worked for free. :)

    It is with great sorrow that I move on to the writer’s other clauses. I’m afraid it is he who is so extreme about his views on madrassahs and the people running them. I’m sorry to say, but nobody is ‘outlawed from watching movies or listening to music all his life’. Especially the madrassah students because I remember having intense discussions with my fellow students regarding how good a particular movie or song was. :) So let’s not even go there. They are not as ‘socially isolated’ as you think.

    ‘Can someone who has been trained to beg in the name of zakat really help us to understand the concept of jihad?’ Trained to beg in the name of zakat? You should be ashamed of yourself, Mr Saif. And why should you need anyone to help you understand the concept of Jihad anyway? Why can’t you run a research on it on your own? Was it not you who gave the example of purchasing cell phones and putting in too much effort? Anyway, I do not mean to offend you. I just got a little emotional because of your observations. This post has already exceeded the reading capacity of many people so I would like to end my little attempt at changing perceptions by saying that many madrassahs around Karachi are like the ones I mentioned above and I know this. Perhaps 2 or 3 out of 100s of madrassahs are home to so called terrorists or extremists, as a lot of posts at the top suggested, but not all of them. And somewhere in the middle some guy also said that madrassah teaches women oppression. All I can say is that I am saddened about the sorts of thought processes our so called educated class possesses. I hope that I have been able to at least make some of you think before pointing fingers if not completely change your views. Good day, everyone.Recommend

  • faraz khan

    verY good article !!Recommend

  • http://www.issues2011.webs.com M.Ayaz

    I read a Hadees Sharif in Sahi Bukhari which gives the mafhoom that its not necessary that you have to practice false acts of your elders.ALAH give you your own brain and thinking and understanding powers by which you can study the Quran and can follow the right things.
    So we just have to do it.Recommend

  • REHMAN

    GOD save us from these maulvisRecommend

  • cheree

    “Mohammad and Abdul Samad, the two siblings of five and six years from Swat intrigued me the most. With light brown sparkling eyes and fair complexion, if they were well dressed, one wouldn’t be able to tell if they were from a remote area of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa or if they were British. It felt awful to see them mopping the mosque’s floor and washing utensils.”

    In the overall context of the blog, this paragraph implies that it feels worse to see the light-skinned kids mopping the floors than the dark-skinned ones…I doubt that’s the implication you were going for, but it’s what came across to me…Recommend

  • Muhammad Ahmed Malik

    @Bashaar:
    5 of my cousins are hafiz e Quran and all of them are just like you. They went to English medium schools, play Xbox, watch movies etc. One of them never went to school and joined school in 8th standard and learnt English right then and today he is a software engineer and can speak better English than anyone and can crack this site in minutes. Although I have examples in front of me but I know that they are very few. I live in Lahore and there are a lot of madrasas in elite class localities like model town where richer kids take a year or two off from school complete their Hifz and then get back to school. BUT there are madrasas where you are taught hatred. I have two big madrasas in my neighborhood. Do you know about their co curicular activities?? On 12th of Rabi ul Awal one Madrasa’s children decorated the streets to celebrate Milad un Nabi(SAW) and the other Madrasa’s student took out a rally against it demanding them to take the decorative lights off because their Qari Sahab told them that its prohibited in religion. These madrasas are creating this kind of sectarian divide(mostly).Recommend

  • Saif Tahir

    @Bashaar:
    Dear Bashaar!
    i respect your comments, but its only one Madrassa you are talking about. I myself belong to Khyber Pakhtoon Khoa and i wont exaggerate but i can show you more than dozen madrassas in KPK or in rural sindh where the situation is far worse than i depicted.
    I am not criticizing, nor demonizing the religious education, i believe they are playing a great role in spreading islam. All i meant in that blog is how the lack of facilities and education is building student’s minds towards extremisim and terrorism. We are all responsible for their alienation and we should play our role in that context.
    thanks again for your feedback.
    All the best!Recommend

  • Azka

    This is a good one. Props to reflecting the exact thoughts of most people nowadays.
    @Bashaar: you’ve analyzed this half to death! Just read it and take from it, and give.
    @cheree: he didn’t bring comparison anywhere here, silly.Recommend

  • Asim Saeed

    Its not an article nor its a blog.Its is written just to gain the viewer ship,which is a flop idea.

    My question to Saif is,when he say

    Kia aap humein angrezi sikhain ge?” (Would you teach us English?)

    Perplexed, I agreed.

    Why he was perplexed and amazingly agreed.?And why the Madarsa guy asked him?Recommend

  • Azeem Anwer

    @Ihk:
    Well the definition of Literacy is not the one that you presume. A person graduated from a madrassa has enough sharia and fiqah knowledge to be called LITERATE. On the other hand a Harvard graduate who doesn’t know how to offer the prayers in the proper way, or to read Quran as required by the religion would be termed JAHIL. Quran is full of examples of developed nations who did not heed to their prophet and labeled as JAHIL by the God despite their architectural, agricultural and astronomical advances.Recommend

  • parvez

    The idea the article tries to convey seems right though a bit generalised.
    In the absence of a decent cheap schooling system, which is the primary responsibility of any good government, the madrassa will fill the void. The product of these madrassas will be and are being used by various elements to further their objectives.
    The concept of the use of religion through a system of madrassas was propagated during the Zia regime with the blue print designed partly in the US. What they failed to design was what should be done once their objective was achieved. Today we are suffering due to this failure and our inability to control this monster. Recommend

  • Kashif

    @Asim: Yes Agreed to youRecommend

  • tayyab

    good one but donot gave the figure that all of the madrsa students are those who donot able to compete in normal life…. in pakistan every sect molvi is belong to these madrassa and millions of people are there student not only from pakistan but all over the world and these molvi are production of these madrassa….Recommend

  • Dodo

    @Azeem Anwer:
    How ignorant and arrogant of god, all he cares about his how much his peasants can praise him. Wonder why the benevolent gave them brains and the capacity to reason?Recommend

  • Bashaar

    @Saif, this is not just one madrassah that I speak of. I clearly mentioned that there are many of such madrassahs around, at least in Karachi. But yes, I agree with you. That was not the point of my post at all. :)

    @Azka, analyzed it half to death? With all due respect, the last few paragraphs are a little too harsh. Perhaps you’ve analyzed my post half to death too. Just read it and take from it, and give. ;)

    @Adnan, that is a different issue altogether. However, that still says that it is not only the poor unlucky ones that end up at madrassahs. Recommend

  • Safir afkhan.

    My two cousins are hafiz e quran mean know holy quran by heart and also finish there
    MBA in english the question is how many peoples geting it like my cousin the percentage
    is very low most of these madrasa like writer said get children from families who barely
    afford two times food on there table and its a govrt duty to provide there peoples bread
    jobs and houses.if not then ella masallah.Recommend

  • http://[email protected] Saima

    Umm I have no idea what you’re talking about. You can’t judge madrasas and maulvis based on your encounter with just one. I’ve studied at a traditional madrasa, and everyone there is very literate, thank you very much. Madrasas might not teach English but the Urdu level of madrasa students, is much much higher than the average Pakistani child.Recommend

  • http://usamarehman.blogspot.com/ Mohammad Usama Rehman

    I dont care whether this article is a flop, meant for increaing the viewership and blah blah….
    What I care is what I contribute in correcting the wrongs that this country has faced since years!!
    There is a LINK between molvi, madressah and masjid!!
    We must comprehend this link……why only this present time has so much negative perspectives about them??
    How have we changed??
    Actually, for quite a long time we have stopped researching and developing these fields, and due to this neglect we suffer consequences.
    Am nt demanding the obligatory things to be changed rather the methodology should be altered!
    there was a time when we, Muslims, not only had religious studies in our madressahs rather a complete set of sciences and debates and researches on Islam and science!!
    our old Islamic scholors are the proof of this.
    The Al-Azhar university of Egypt is still following this method of imaparting education.
    We definetely need Confidence building measure to be incorporated to remove this false stigma by developing universities, collages on the above outlined ways…….i bet we dont like minds when it comes to researches and debates but what we do lack is the Willpower!!!Recommend

  • MKD

    Our madrasas are only hope to lead the nation to it’s true Islamic future.
    We need more madrasas not less.Recommend

  • Faction

    The problem in Pakistan isn’t that the illiterate poor are intolerant extremists, it’s that the educated elite are intolerant extremists.Recommend

  • http://www.facebook.com/britpak Mohammed Abbasi

    excellent articleRecommend

  • Qasim Khan

    @AZEEM Actually I met a graduate from Oxford who was total JAHIL. He tried prove illogicalities in Qu’ran as if he was a super intelligence and every does not agree as plain stupid. A very arrogant type. But I meet every day humble people who are 100 times better who do Shahadah, Salat Zakat, Sawm and Haj. This is real literacy.Recommend

  • Awais Khan

    Illiteracy is the biggest problem facing Pakistan and it is the main reason extremism and terrorism, have been taking hold.Recommend

  • Rehan Ali

    Another run of the mill blog about madressahs. Criticizing the religious elite and portraying them as beggars turned revenge seekers. The author talks about societal neglect towards the orphans housed in these madressahs and that these madressahs don’t teach and propogate real Islam.

    My friend would you send your kids to acquire religious education or enroll them in English Medium Schools (Cambridge system). Its not the madressahs that spread hate, its we who hate and loath madressahs to the extent that we would not visit them or let our children benefit from them. A benefit that later on enable them to become the religious elite and project true Islam.

    But than what about material and commercial value. Let’s not think about solutions lets just keep bashing madressahs and their students. And while we are at it, let our children be fodder to materialism, consumerism and commercialism. Recommend

  • mrs. mujtaba

    my brother in islam i totally agree with u @Bashaar: the problem is now days people so called well educated people‘ have an idea infested in them selves that wearing jeans or listening to music and watching movies liberate human beings ….. they blame the maulvis and the religious studies going on in our society .. i have a question . just like there are some maulvis who are not fulfilling their jobs sincerely and i am sure there are lots n lots of educated people who are not playing their role in making our society a peaceful and blessed place.. there are black sheep in every community y target one .. are the doctors bankers bussiness men today acting up to their so called qualified education.. if they would ve been then it would ve made a difference to the lives of these deprived children itself ..no ones keeping these children away from the wealth of education but us .we can spend loads of money on our selves but we cant do any thing for these kids if we take charge of helping atleast the madrassa or mosque in our own area collectively, things would change .. if all of the so called educated and blessed class of our country contribute like this we can change the present situation instead of just blaming someone y shouldnt we do some thing abt it .. and please feeling pity for these kids and fearing for the future of ur country wont do any good so get up smarten up ur act and do something productive which is a FARZ on all of us by ALLAH now this will be a JIHAAD u will take part in !!!!!!!!! and as for the choice of getting my child the best education in the world and paying heavily for it i think blessed are those children who get the education of ISLAM and QURAN no comparisons wat so ever in the whole wide world can come near to this education!ALHAMDULILAHRecommend

  • Ali

    May Allah help us to follow the right path, i have a humble request to all brothers and sisters. Please do care when speak about religion, sometime jsut to make a point or win a debate we exxagerate or cross our limit.Recommend

  • Bashaar

    @Everyone. Go ahead and spend a month in a madrassah from 8-8.. Scratch that, a week from 9-5 and you will realize how the day to day life has been affected because of these misunderstandings. I’m not going to say much, but let me just share with you another hypocritical act carried out by the media personnel.

    It had hardly been a year when my brother and I joined the Madrassah and one day we got to know about some news channel’s anchor wanting to interview us. My Qari Sahab saw nothing wrong with that and requested all the students to fully cooperate. I do not want to stretch this so I’ll just come to the oddest question of the lot that the journalist asked my brother. Please bear in mind that my brother at that point in time was only 9 years old. So the guy asked him, “Kya yahan deshat-gardi aur inteha-pasandi sikhai jati hai?” (Is terrorism and extremism taught here?), to which my camera shy brother innocently replied ‘jee’ (Yes).

    My brother did not even know the meaning of those two words, my fellow concerned individuals. :)Recommend

  • Ihk

    @Azeem Anwer:
    Literate is the one who takes knowledge of deen-o-dunya hand in hand. Literacy in either one and not the other is not favorable in Islam because in order to understand the work of Allah, you need to be equipped with the knowledge of His creations.Recommend

  • Ihk

    My company’s MD has created a huge empire of durable goods with sheer hard-work and his qualification: Engineering and MS. He takes active part in department meetings and boy do we have a handful each day. The thing I admire the most is how he leaves the meetings in the middle to go and say his Namaz.
    THAT is what I am talking about.Recommend

  • Rehan Ali

    Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold your hands, and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate; but when fighting is prescribed for them, lo! a party of them fear men as they ought to have feared Allah, or (even) with a greater fear, and say: Our Lord! why hast Thou ordained fighting for us? Wherefore didst Thou not grant us a delay to a near end? Say: The provision of this world is short, and the hereafter is better for him who guards (against evil); and you shall not be wronged the husk of a date stone. Surah Al-Nisa: 77Recommend

  • Mom from small town

    Though I born in Hindu family, I don’t much believe in religion. All of the religions teach same humanity. Help poor and needy, speak truth, don’t harm other people etc… I like cultural part of different religions as well. I enjoy Sheer Kurma at my muslim friends’ houses or actively participate arranging Christmas parties.

    But that’s it. I don’t belive in beliefs of the religions or gods. In fact it doesn’t make any sense to me when people refer to religion or religious books for every act or problem in life. Its so funny for me who tells they clean their house everyday because its written in the supreme book. Come on, supreme books are not encyclopaedias which cover every aspect of life or science or philosophy or geography or biology or chemistry.

    I am a mordern civilised person from 21st century. I have to mould myself as per today or tomorrow and not based on 18th century belief. Its no good for me, my family, my society or my country. And for that reason I won’t support any kind of religious teaching in my society.Recommend

  • Mom from small town

    @author
    Brilliant blog. You should copyright this invention of thought. “Extremists taking revenge from the rest of the society or governments for not providing them a proper education in their childhood.”
    I like it.
    From India.Recommend

  • Affuma

    Its a touching story, I have seen in India generally when parents cannot efford for higher education they send their kids to these mardarsa’s so that atleast by learning DEEN they can become Imam, Moazan and also can earn some money to run the house. I always felt bad whenever i saw poor mothers struggling for admission of their kids in these free schools where they can live and study freely. I have seen success in most cases Alhamdulillah! but I’m not really sure abt Madarsa’s in Pakistan. May God bless these kids, my best wishes for them.

    Regards,
    From India.Recommend

  • a.

    If the govt.really wants to save Pakistan then it needs to incorporate the madrassas with the govt. schools and regulate their curriculum.Recommend

  • Ibrahim Huda

    I would agree with most of the part. The point which is pinching me since I read “Madness in the madrassa” was when the author discuss about the public in the Madrassa. Lets not forget about our beloved Prophet(P.B.U.H) He(S.A.W) was born Orphan. At the age of 6 He(S.A.W) lost his mother, most of the time He(S.A.W) lived alone with no money. If we look closely to life of Prophet and his companions we will come to know that most of the time these guys were hand to mouth or sometime they had no supplies. Some Sahab’s were orphan and physically disabled too, but these guys were not extremist. The reason was they had a good teacher and right knowledge. We should not focus on the people but on the knowledge they gaining for these Institute. Recommend

  • Nazia

    I was shocked and felt miserable to find that many of the students were from such poor families that they hadn’t even seen an apple in their lives.

    so Touching Line . Recommend

  • Ahmer Ali

    Assalam-o-Allaikum Warahmatullah.First of all this is the most dangerous dilemma and tragedy of Pakistani Madaris that these are not making true muslims.The students of Pakistani Madaris always claim that they are Brailwi,Wahabi,Shia and Deoband instead of saying this that they are muslims and the syllabus which is being used in the Madaris is always adopted from the like-minded scholars of Brailwiat,Deodandi,Shia and Wahabiat and the students of one Madarsa always criticize and object on the other Madarsa’s students and are never ready to read in the other Madarsa except their same school of thoughts’ Madarsa.Learning English has been so far but first the need of the hour is creating patience,tolerance and interfaith harmony and eradicating hatred amongst the students of different Madaris of Pakistan.And as far as learning English,computers and other advanced courses are concerned then Islam doesn’t forbid you to get worldly education.Islam always teaches us that get worldly education in the light of Quran and Sunnah to become the useful and fruitful man in the society and for this purpose Allah Almighty has clearly defined in His doubtless Holy Quran that “I have conquered moon,stars,galaxies and sun for you”.Recommend

  • antony

    @Ahmer, “Allah Almighty has clearly defined in His doubtless Holy Quran that “I have conquered moon,stars,galaxies and sun for you”. galaxies ? is it written in Quran ? ..

    What about dark matter which is double the size of galaxies of matter ? . I am sure in 20 years from now you will write —it is written in Quran that Dark matter ,Anti matter , Black holes have been conquered for you ” Its always science opening new frontiers for humans and muslims go to Quran and connect that new discoveries with new words from Quran and implying this is written in Quran already ? ..Its never a case where muslims read Quran and find out say electricity or magnetism and build cellphones,tv , satellites ,car etc . Same type of rigid belief system was present in christians for centuries that earth is flat and earth is the centre and Sun revolves around it .But Christian scientist searched for the truth by questioning everything and discovered that Sun is at the centre and so on .Christians and vatican took centuries to reconcile and I hope it would be the same for muslims (we need to give few centuries to reconcile with truth) ..Same goes for Hinduism for shedding all the mythologies of Hanuman flying or mutliple Gods sitting in Heaven .I know I know you would say Quran has all the scientific facts unlike other books , I would challenge you to go to Quran and predict one scientific discovery which world has not seen yet and the clues given in QuranRecommend

  • Shoaib Rabbani

    @asif butt:
    Even if 1/3 of Pakistani’s die, we still wont to able to learn from our past and from our mistakes! Recommend

  • A_Noor

    Yes, completely agree with you. Extremism has taken root because of everyboy’s faults. We need to develop a balanced society, in which religion is not considered something maulvi-ish and wearinh Western attire is not considered a sin. Here in Pakitan we are very judegemenal. Infact, whenever we judge someone, we are cruel, and forget to put ourselves in others’ boots.Recommend

  • ba ha

    These sweet kids are learning a FOREIGN LANGUAGE. How can you insult them? Recommend

  • Tanoli

    Do u guys know history of these madrasa they r necessory for learning our deen but in
    others hand bad for spreading firqa prasti on the name of maktab.Recommend

  • Tanoli

    WHAT IS THE DIFRENCE IN FIRKAH AND MAKTAB. can some body tell.Recommend

  • Tanoli

    After 1857 war of independce against british raj maulanas from north india gathered and
    build it big madrassa in Deoband U.P later it became a allmost university and saved a
    muslims of india from many FITNAS of english raj. in 1900 to 2000 peoples in india and even in world got idea of mass production of educated peoples means who can least read
    and write now a days we in indo pak think educated person only who went to school not
    madrassa and bad luck also happend madrassa used to be centre of all kind of education
    left only for deen education i think they should open there doors for all type of taleem.Recommend

  • Maria Afzal

    I am doing Inter from one of the well known college of Lahore, but at the same time I am doing Alima’s course from Madrassa and I am not orphan or mentally or physically ill. Currently, in Alima’s course we are studying from 6 Alima’s and 5 of them are doctors and the 6th one has done M.A English and M.A islamiyat. My class fellows are also belongs to well off families and getting higher education; A levels, BS in different fields, medical, BBA, fashion designing e.t.c e.t.c so you can’t base your opinion by just entering through one madrassa.

    Moreover, I would like to tell you people that its a fatwa given by most of the Alim’s that now Muslims should get higher education along with Islamic education and all the Alim’s are advised to take care of their dressing as well as most of the go on your appearance (they won’t listen to a person who is wearing out-dated dress). Recommend

  • Hafiz Ashhad Kamal Taseer

    Despite some reservations i agree, …!! The point is that discouraging western ways of life is fine but discouraging education whether western or any type is absolutely wrong. Only Islamic studies without other knowledge is not what a society (Islamic Society) demands, Our religion doesn’t forbid from any sort of education.Recommend

  • Hafiz Ashhad Kamal Taseer

    @Tanoli:
    Firqa is known as a discriminated or differentiated group and Maktab is a place of learning !! Madrassas are not spreading secterianism.Recommend

  • Tanoli

    @Hafiz taseer sahab saalam but i used to live in karachi pakistan but my neighburhood
    had two mosques belongs to two difrent makatibs and i prays in both i never care because
    what my parents told us all mosque are house of god and in makka masjide haram every
    body pray behind one imam so that was a reason but friends of mine from both makatibs
    or madarris Barely AND Deoband all the time make arguments with me even few of them
    told each other a even munafiq and told your prayers will not answer if u goes there thus tell me if i am wrong but ground realities are diff what we see and also look it what we
    do at time of azzan according to history of islam we dont find any where some body said
    some words and also diff in shias and sunnis were also politicals we made them a reliegous. may allah show us right path ameen.Recommend

  • Tanoli

    @ hafiz sahab I am not a fan of kamal mustafa of turk but the situation in pakistan is we
    better have one more atha turk to make us strait even shaheed bhuto tried but that time
    mullas were strong now they r not may be time has come for this but i am scare also
    we have so many traiters asteenow mai like british raj time every vicroy lives a some note
    forthcoming one and most of time they write a same note people of india are CHAPLOOSE.Recommend

  • Affuma

    Some madarsa’s in India are too good, students can join english Degree colleges after finishing the high school Deeni Education and from there they can continue with B.A. or B.com. I wish we had the same system in all madarsa’s around the world.Recommend

  • MUNIB

    @Bashar
    Consider yourself an EXCEPTION. I had a fair observation on Madrasaz system and much of what the writer says is true. People come from AUSTRALIA and USA to enroll in PAK madrasa system but this post is NOT about them. You and they are an exception out of the x-million madrasa students in PAK. I dont know why you have put such a huge effort in rejecting his observations which are 90% correct.Recommend

  • Ahmer Ali

    @antony:
    For your kind information the conquering the moon,stars,sun and galaxies means Allah Almighty has opened the gates of space technology for mankind 1400 years ago and the scientists are finding out it now and this is the greatest dilemma of muslim ummah is that the muslim scientists invented most of the accessories related to space technology and after their death next muslim generations couldn’t save them just as a consequence of disunity and non-muslim scientists made use of it and took the advantage of disunity.This is why you are claiming that the every present space development is a rigid belief.I hereby advise you to read Holy Quran with complete translation,summary and context with open-mindedness and broad-mindedness and you will get the answers yourself you are challenging.Recommend

  • http://none BP

    Mr. Saif Tahir, you wrote:

    “When a child is born, every parent wants him/her to be a doctor…but not a maulvi.


    I’m not one of those parents, if that makes you happy.

    “…
    What do you expect from someone who is labelled ‘mullah’…”

    I’m sorry but are you good enough to be teaching these kids a language when you yourself can’t spell correctly – you’ve put an h in mulla when there isn’t!Recommend

  • Tanoli.

    Islam is our wonderfull reliegen & to know is every body duty if we dont know then how we
    will follow it but on other hand islam is so broad minded somebody cant even amagin that
    out of basic laws which r tauheed means god is one and muhammad is his last and true
    prophet in any meanings and knowing halal haram i will say please peoples tolrate each
    other and be patience all the time.Recommend