Before pointing the terrorism finger at Pakistan, it’ll be wise for India to take a look in their violent backyard first

Published: October 2, 2017
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Congress spokesman Randeep Surjewala said “moral and constitutional propriety” demanded that the PM ask Sushma Swaraj and Vasundhara Raje to resign. PHOTO: AFP

While in Singapore, I met an Indian Hindu from Indian Gujarat, the state where I was born, in the hotel lobby. After exchanging pleasantries, he asked me,

“And in which city do you live now?”

When I said Karachi, he was shocked.

“But that’s in Pakistan!”

And then, when the truth dawned on him, he said,

“You’re a Pakistani as well as a Muslim?!”

He started edging away from me and I had to assure him that I wasn’t about to blow him up. Like most Indian Hindus, he had always believed that most Pakistanis cannot speak English, that they are too poor to afford vacations abroad, and that most Pakistanis are involved in terrorism.

And if you read Indian newspapers, you will notice that majority of the Indian narrative is of the same opinion. You frequently find words such as “terroristan” to describe Pakistan.

Recently, our ambassador to the United Nations (UN), Maleeha Lodhi, mistakenly displayed the picture of a Palestinian girl to point out India’s atrocities in Kashmir. It was a simple human error, not a major blunder, since there are plenty of photographs of wounded Kashmiri Muslims available on the net to prove to the world of India’s barbarisms.

But the Indian media pounced upon the incident, forgetting that not too long ago their own foreign minister SM Krishna had committed a much bigger blunder. It happened in 2011, when he read out the Portuguese foreign minister’s speech instead of his own.

But then, India’s media is notorious for pointing fingers at Pakistan, ignoring the 836 million Indians who struggle to exist on less than half a dollar a day.

As for the lack of toilets in India, that is a minor matter for them. They love it when their government spends billions on sending a spacecraft to Mars instead of providing food and toilets to its citizens. Of course, with 80% of Indians living below the poverty line, most Indians have not had the education to know anything about Mars (or even that it exists).

After all, they have a prime minister who says that Indians had mastered the science of plastic surgery 10,000 years ago, grafting the head of an elephant on a human.

Instead of criticising its government for the indiscriminate murder of countless Kashmiri Muslims, the Indian media ignores what their army is doing in the illegally-occupied state. In fact, they seem to believe that most people of Indian-occupied Jammu and Kashmir actually love India. According to them, those who protest against the rapes and killings by the Indian army in Kashmir are terrorists trained and positioned by Pakistan. Show them pictures of wounded Kashmiri Muslims or a Kashmiri Muslim tied to a moving vehicle, and it has no effect on them. In fact, they welcomed the decision to actually reward the officer who tied the poor Kashmiri Muslim to the jeep (so that he, and not they, would be hurt by protesters throwing stones).

Even pictures and videos of their army beating up Muslims during Ashura processions are ignored by them.

In fact, if more proof of Hindutva hatred for Muslims is needed, just look at what they are doing to prevent Rohingya Muslims from entering India. In addition to expelling the 40,000 Rohingyas already present in India, they are using pepper spray and sten guns to keep new Rohingya Muslims out of the so-called largest democratic (by default) nation.

It would have been another matter, of course, if the Rohingya had been Hindus. While Bangladeshi Hindus are welcomed with open arms and allowed to settle in India, Bangladeshi Muslims who have lived for decades in India are under threat of deportation. This, then, is the true face of Indian secularism. Muslims and other minorities are pariahs, while Hindus are their lords and masters.

So naturally, we were not surprised when the Indian Foreign Minister, Sushma Swaraj, a virulent Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) member, said to the Pakistan delegation at the UN,

“We produced scholars, doctors, engineers. What have you (Pakistan) produced? You have produced terrorists.”

Fortunately, she was promptly corrected by an unofficial Kangana Ranaut Twitter account, who tweeted the following:

When your own people are correcting you, Mrs Swaraj, your own people who are well aware of facts, there’s not much left for us to say; your people are doing the talking for us.

Instead of calling Pakistan a terrorist state, the Indian media should remember that their own prime minister belongs to the militant Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the terrorist organisation that has had the ‘honour’ of having Mahatma Gandhi’s killer, Nathuram Godse, as a member.

By the way, isn’t the open worship of Godse by Yogi Adityanath and the unveiling of his statue sufficient to prove that India’s ruling BJP party is itself a terrorist organisation?

By the way, Mrs Swaraj, while we are doing our best to deal with terrorism and executing terrorists, you are letting your own terrorists go free. In fact, even a self-confessed one such as Swami Aseemanand has been acquitted by your so-called independent courts and is now free to arrange the killing of even more Indian Muslims.

And yet you have the gall to say that Pakistan is the hub of terrorism? Look in your own backyard first, madam.

Shakir Lakhani

Shakir Lakhani

Engineer, former visiting lecturer at NED Engineering College, industrialist, associated with petroleum/chemical industries for many years. Loves writing, and (in the opinion of most of those who know him), mentally unbalanced. He tweets @shakirlakhani (twitter.com/shakirlakhani)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Vineeth

    Is India’s relentless diplomatic offensive on the issue of terror beginning to hurt Pakistan? RSS and its Parivar may be extremist organizations, but until the day the commit terror acts on Pakistani soil it remains an internal matter of India and Pakistan has no locus standi on the matter. When was the last time India raised the issue of terror attacks against Shias and Hazaras in Pakistan by its Sunni militant groups? It has only raised the issue when terror acts were conducted against Indian citizens on Indian soil. What happens in Pakistan is none of our concern. The same goes for the goof up by Maleeha Lodhi in UN. She was making serious charges against India at the forum and India found a hole in her narrative and utilized it to its fullest. And finally, please make up your mind on whether Indian Muslims are Pakistani citizens for Pakistan to be so concerned about their welfare. If so, please go ahead and offer asylum and citizenship to them. India would be quite happy to oblige.Recommend

  • gameplanner

    80% Indian below poverty line ? Just Google for facts.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_India .Pakistan has more % of poor and poverty than India.Before talking about Kashmiris or quoting fake Kangana Ranaut’s Twitter account, please check the status of missing human right activists and freedom Fighters in Baluchistan ,Sindh and other parts of Pakistan.Write about the sectarian killings and the oppression of minorities in Pak.According to you,If Muslims and minorities are oppressed and killed in India..why their population percentage has grown and is growing every year since Independence and why Hindu population is almost extinct in Pakistan ? (If you don’t believe me,check for official stats from your country). If muslims are oppressed in India why they 80% Hindu population will partronise Muslims Movie Stars (top 3 khans are ruling Bollywood).Why will ever a Muslim be a president of India ? Why will Muslim ever be chief of Army ? Why will a Muslim ever be top richest man in India (Azeem Premji ) ? India is a big country (bigger than all European countries put together) with over 1.20 billion people (and all 29 states are similar to a country with different culture,language and Landscapes) and few incidents in one corner, can not be generalized or stereotyped and assumed to be applied to whole country.Recommend

  • Ricky Mudaliar

    Do you even check facts before writing or its immense hate drive your writing?
    80 % poverty rate , even a simple google can answer the question .”true face of Indian secularism” don`t you even dare say you are religious tolerant just look at the number of Hindus during partition in Pakistan and now and look at the same number of Muslims in India.

    “And yet you have the gall to say that Pakistan is the hub of terrorism? Look in your own backyard first, madam” and yes shes is right whatever happens in our backyard stays in our backyard , it doesn’t cross borders and disturb others like yours.

    Clean up your mess and then talk.Recommend

  • Dr. Insaaniyat

    Meanwhile another needy Pakistani patient is allowed Visa for treatment in India by Indian FMRecommend

  • Rohan

    The author keeps peddling BS but has no substance in the argument.Another denialistaniRecommend

  • Pure ind

    India never denied its problems the issues of poverty & lack of toilets is openly debated there is no shame in admitting ones problems because only then can one resolve it. Does being poor mean one should get educated do you even know how much business space programs generate?? You claim to be an engineer what do Pakistani engineers do clean toilets??
    As far as Kashmir & rohingya Muslims go why don’t you guys speak about the killings of Hindu Kashmiri’s or the dead bodies of rohingya Hindus found killed by radicals. The answer is simple for few the life of Muslims is more important than a kafir
    As far as terrorism goes how many flight hijackers roam freely in India?? Where was Osama found definitely not India.. What our minister said is very true two countries that got independence on the same day have grown poles apart. How many successful educational institutions Pakistan has?? Be it IPL Bollywood medical assistance we all know who wants the Indian visa?? The day it turns the other way round then you may write such an article. But I doubt it ever will…Recommend

  • Gratgy

    First the UN representative shows fake photograph in the UN, then this author shows the fake Kangana ranaut account. Fake is not unofficial

    “Fake Twitter account with Kangana Ranaut’s name spews venom on PM Modi, BJP
    Believing it to genuine, one Pakistani daily even quoted Kangana Ranaut of making a nasty comment on PM Modi.”

    http://www.ibtimes.co.in/fake-twitter-account-kangana-ranauts-name-spews-venom-pm-modi-bjp-741675Recommend

  • Gratgy

    I would suggest ET to cross check before allowing fake news on its website
    http://www.ibtimes.co.in/fake-twitter-account-kangana-ranauts-name-spews-venom-pm-modi-bjp-741675Recommend

  • Milford

    Lol. Pathetic argument. Eg. Just to score some browny point you pick up a tweet from a Pakistanis fan of Indian actor. Recommend

  • thenitish2312

    that Kangana Ranaut Twitter account is a fake accountRecommend

  • wb

    PART 1.

    Dear Shakir Lakhani, I don’t think you realize how ignorant you are!!!

    ‘Like most Indian Hindus, he had always believed that most Pakistanis cannot speak English, that they are too poor to afford vacations abroad, and that most Pakistanis are involved in terrorism.’

    My dear ignoramus, do you think an Indian Sikh, Indian Atheist, Indian Christian, Indian Buddhist or an Israeli Jew, Israeli Christian, Chinese Atheist, American Bahaii, English Jain, French Budhist would have reacted any different? The truth is, most Pakistanis CANNOT speak English. Most Pakistanis cannot afford vacations abroad and most Pakistanis are extremists, if not terrorist.

    “And if you read Indian newspapers, you will notice that majority of the Indian narrative is of the same opinion. You frequently find words such as “terroristan” to describe Pakistan”

    Why don’t you go to google and type “Pakistan is a” and see what it suggests…poor country, an acronym, a well of death, slave country. That’s 4 out of 8. It’s google. Not HINDU!!!!

    “Recently, our ambassador to the United Nations (UN), Maleeha Lodhi, mistakenly displayed the picture of a Palestinian girl to point out India’s atrocities in Kashmir. It was a simple human error, not a major blunder”

    Absolutely true. It’s a simple human error. This error is called laziness, arrogance, lying, stupidity, ignorance, illiteracy or semi literacy or educated idiocy!!!!!

    ” It happened in 2011, when he read out the Portuguese foreign minister’s speech instead of his own.”

    Is that so? Portuguese speech had references to Kashmiris which S M Krishna identified as Balochistan?!! Hmmmm. Besides, it doesn’t matter, dear. We rule. And we own you. We say and you listen.Recommend

  • Veer Singh

    “80% of Indians living below the poverty line” – india’s poverty rate is 22% and not 80% (http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/infographic/2016/05/27/india-s-poverty-profile). How can ET publish this.Recommend

  • Nomad1412

    There goes your credibility which never existed in the first place… Mind boggling that you have posted a tweet from Kangana’s fake twitter handle @QueenKangana which is only 2 months old and seems to have been started by a Pakistani. Her correct twitter handle is @KanganaFanClub, she is not on social media but this handle is managed by her own team.Recommend

  • CSE_ASPIRANT

    twitter account to real de dete..cant understand why pakistanis always end up showing fake things …lolz

    https://mobile.twitter.com/realkangana?lang=en

    about barbarism ..just compare acts of armies of both countries ..i.e. our army in J& K ..nd urs in balochistan ..NWFP..FATA…alot of information about both of these is available in public domain …then conclude..Recommend

  • CSE_ASPIRANT

    ollle olle ..dont even have guts to post my comments ..Pakistan in self destruction mode with media biggest supporterRecommend

  • Rohan

    After Lodhi, another idiotic Pakistani blunder!
    That Kangana Ranaut “unofficial” account you just cited, belongs to a Pakistani!
    Lol
    How do you guys blatantly put up content for the world to see before even verifying it!Recommend

  • Gingerman78

    Where do you get your poverty statistics from, Mr. Lakhani, madrassa text books? Yes, we are perfectly content with Modi, RSS and blah blah. You have to ask yourself if Modi is such a bad person, then why is the world so deeply engaged with him. Compare that to your own leadership that gets scant attention and even less respect. But then again, you can construct your own reality in your head. Probably makes life bearable.Recommend

  • numbersnumbers

    Waiting for the author to write about those beloved “Good Taliban” terrorist proxy groups (LeT, HuM, Haqqani, Afghan Taliban and JeM!) that openly operated from Pakistan against neighboring countries the past decades!
    Hmm, weren’t some of those Pakistani based terrorist groups mentioned in that recent BRICS communication, endorsed by “Iron Brother” China?
    Hmm, Weren’t some/all of those Pakistani based terrorist groups also on the UN list of known terrorist organizations?
    Hmm, wasn’t Osama bin Laden (along with large extended family!) found to be living undetected for five years beside PMA?Recommend

  • Sudhanshu Swami

    When Nathuram Godse was member of RSS ?Recommend

  • Vaira

    So many assumption under blankit of lies. Mirror must haunt Pakistani a lot.Recommend

  • Rajiv

    Another childish article. Taking 10 year old figures and spewing the same rant of toilets.

    Using “unofficial account” of the great Bollywood actress Kangana Ranaut. Wow!
    And I thought you can’t do worse.
    You always surprise us Mr. Lakhani.Recommend

  • Sudhanshu Swami

    when if posts about poverty, he takes data from 1993 poverty survey in India.Recommend

  • Nihal

    We have better per capita income and much better literacy rate than ur country.
    Per capita income of India according to IMF is 1723$ while Pakistan’s per capita income is 1468$.
    Similarly while literacy rate of India according to 2011 census is 74% your country’s literacy rate according to 2017 census is 58%.
    According to UNESCO data while youth literacy rate of India is 89% youth literacy rate of Pakistan is 72%.
    In human development index too your country is behind India.
    In global competitiveness index while India is at 40th position your country’s rank is 115th.
    Regarding your concern for our toilets perhaps you have not read recent reports about swacch Bharat mission. India has made enormous progress in this particular area. From 50% in 2011 now 77% Indians have toilet. Certainly it wouldn’t have been possible if we were sleeping.
    Regarding our space missions it is pride of our country. Inspite of so many shortcomings and meagre resources we are determined to make our mark in this universe. It is to show our coming generation that sky is the limit. It is the best investment our government has done.
    Lastly that unofficial Kangna Ranaut which you are fond of (real Kangna is fond of our prime minister) should be mubarak to you and your countrymen. Recommend

  • Shakir Lakhani

    We ruled over you for a thousand years!Recommend

  • Shakir Lakhani

    “whatever happens in our backyard stays in our backyard , it doesn’t cross borders and disturb others like yours”. Have you already forgotten Kulbushan Yadav?Recommend

  • Shakir Lakhani
  • wb

    Hahahaha. You left all the other points and came straight to this? Alright. Let’s see who ruled over who.

    Your name is Lakhani. A typical Sindhi surname. You’re an ethnic Sindhi. You’re not a Barbar, Turk, Afghan, Mongol. You’re an ethnic Hindu from the land of Hind. And these invaders who came from Kurdistan, Barbar, Mongolia, Turkey, Afghanistan etc ruled over Sindh first. In other words, they ruled over you too.

    Being an ethic SIndhi, do you have any idea, who in your ancestry converted to Islam first? Do you have any idea under what circumstances? Please don’t tell me voluntarily. Because you know and we know very well how Islam works.

    Now, tell me. Did you, Lakhani, an ethnic SIndhi ruled over US for 1000 years?Recommend

  • Milind A

    Pakistanis are desperate. Last month during the India-China standoff at Doklam, Pakistani media claimed that 168 Indian soldiers died. The Chinese denied it and embarassed Pakistani analysts cursed their media for not doing due diligence before going to town on an important news item.Recommend

  • Milind A

    Pakistani way of doing things.
    1. Speak without logic and facts
    2. Obfuscate
    3. When things go wrong, blame someone (Maleeha Lodhi as in this case) of being an Hindu/RAW agebt,Recommend

  • wb

    Kulbushan Yadav is a maritime engineer kidnapped from Chahbahar in Iran by agents paid by some of your agencies!!! An innocent man, against whom you have no proof or evidence, kidnapped by you and held illegally is your evidence? Do you even know what happened in ICJ?
    Recommend

  • wb

    By the way have you ever wondered where do Urdu words like chengezi, Barbariat come from? chengezi comes from Chengez Khan. Barbariat comes from Barbars. This is the true colors of your ghazis. This is how brutal they were.Recommend

  • Dr. Insaaniyat
  • Sane Sid

    You failed in History or got lower grades……???? You are a converted person…thats all I can say hereRecommend

  • wb

    That’s not just Pakistani way. That’s the Muslim way. Try asking a Muslim to give you evidence for the existence for God and he replies with a question “Where did you come from?”

    To Muslims, “Where did you come from” is the evidence for the existence of God!!! Can’t even begin to explain how stupid, idiotic it is.Recommend

  • Sane Sid

    Crazy article at best…… I don’t know what is source of the facts and figures stated here….. 80% below poverty line…… SM Krishna read someone else’s script….. I actually look forward to news and debates from other Pakistani journalists and writers like Rauf Klasra, Hasan Nissar, Najam Sethi, Pervez Hoodboy…… they are great…. but Mr Lakhani does not deserve a spot on ETY for sureRecommend

  • Lingo

    “We produced scholars, doctors, engineers. What have you (Pakistan) produced? You have produced terrorists.”

    Just wanted to ask why did India fail to build toilets for their country men/women, despite producing numerous Doctors, Engineers and Scientists? Sushma Swaraj may not be able to answer on this forum, may be some other Indian can. Please let me know ASAP.Recommend

  • Rohan

    What about the thousands of terrorists you send everyday?Recommend

  • Lingo

    You seem like a proper person to ask this question, based on the wisdom that you have shown above. Why Indian standard is more focused on English language rather then building Toilets? Let me also know why did Indians fail to build toilets for themselves despite producing so many Doctors, Engineers and Scientists?Recommend

  • Kushal

    Kulbhushan Jadhav is another drama. Answer me Shakir, why Kulbhushan was tried in military court where he is not given access to consular privileges and legal help and why Hafiz Sayeed and his cohorts were tried in regular court, where the case did not move an inch during the last few years.Recommend

  • Sudhanshu Swami

    please tell time line and area (%) ‘you’ ruled mr ‘Lakhani’. I bet, if you are talking about Afghani rulers then too you wont be able to tell more than 300-350 years or rule that too not 100% of India.Recommend

  • Sudhanshu Swami

    his posts are like … Hawaai , hawa hawa ee !!!!Recommend

  • Nomad1412

    And we have been ruling you for over 200 years!

    Since I’m an Indian Christian, Donald Trump is my Uncle and Queen Elizabeth is my Aunt.Recommend

  • vinsin

    When did you ruled? You were ruled.

    Tell me atleast some ancestor of you who ruled.

    What are your dates of ruling?Recommend

  • Ajmal Memon

    dont hide behind words reality is reality you chosen terrorist as your leader
    our positive thinking about India died you are no more secular.Our love with India vanished India is now Terrorist state not Pakistan.Killing of innocent Muslim in the name of cow killing Journalist who spread truth this is India now
    Recommend

  • Sudhanshu Swami

    1 world bank data says that ~22% of Indians live below 1.9 usd, and approx 29.5% Pakistanis.
    2 1.9 usd means 200 rs, for small family of 6 this makes 36000 Rupees (pkr) a month. This level is not called poor in south asia.
    3. Mr Lakhani why dont you directly read worldbank’s data instead of searching typos here and there on internet ?Recommend

  • vinsin

    1) Since when you started loving Mahatma Gandhi?
    2) Was Muslim league also a terrorist organization with Muslim Guards?
    3) How many attack done by RSS in Pakistan?
    4) What Indian Muslims doing in India after partition?
    5) What about TNT?
    6) You take Rohingya Muslims and Hindu also?
    7) India is not a secular country. Muslim appeasement is not secularism.
    8) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_surgery – You can change the wikipedia on plastic surgery.
    9) Thanks for showing concern for Indian poors and lack of toilet. You can ask Indian Muslim to move to Pakistan and thus help India in reducing poverty.
    10) Why you want a poor country to take care of Rohingya Muslims? We are poor but still we have bigger heart, we gave you Pakistan, Bangladesh and aids for Rohingya for Indian Muslims?
    11) Why you want minorities like Hindus to take care of 25% of world Muslims? Where is your Muslim ummah? What happened to that?
    12) Nishan-e-Pakistan – was given to Morarji a RSS member. Asked government to take it back.Recommend

  • Rohan

    Have u forgotten kasabRecommend

  • vinsin

    First prove it. As per Pakistani government he came from Iran not India. File a case against your establishment prove that he cross Indo-Pak border.Recommend

  • vinsin

    Do you even know where OBL found? I can bet that Hafeez, Masood Azhar etc are in Pakistan?Recommend

  • CSE_ASPIRANT

    Because they can write about India only with wrong facts. .else they will end up praising IndiaRecommend

  • vinsin

    Why dont you read your own link? Which says 224 million below poverty line?

    Why Indian Muslim vote for BJP then?

    http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/modi-saudi-arabia-king-abdulaziz-sash-civilian-honour/Recommend

  • Sane Sid

    if you convert the amount to Rupees you would realize the level of BPL benchmark has increased….try it….. A person with spending of 1.9$ a day would be very rich in Pakistan…. we have poors spending that amount….. Recommend

  • Gratgy

    Indians have built far more toilets than Pakistan, 62% of Indians have access to toilets in 2017 compared to 46% Pakistanis. India has built 50 million toilets in last three years and plan to build 25 million more by 2019. That is more than the entire number of toilets in Pakistan

    While you were foolishly making fun of India even though not having toilets yourself, we have been quietly building them.Recommend

  • Gratgy

    When your leaders can tell lies in the UN, do you think they will not lie to you?
    You get the leaders you deserve, you are all the sameRecommend

  • Gratgy

    Indians have built far more toilets than Pakistan, 62% of Indians have access to toilets in 2017 compared to 46% Pakistanis. India has built 50 million toilets in last three years and plan to build 25 million more by 2019. That is more than the entire number of toilets in Pakistan

    While you were making fun of India even though not having toilets yourself, we have been quietly building them. Soon Open defecation will be a thing of the past in India, while you will still be trying to deal with it. Just like polioRecommend

  • wb

    Lingo. Good question. Although you meant to deride us, I’ll still give you a serious answer. Lack of toilet is only a problem in cities and major towns. In small towns and villages, toilet is absolutely not necessary. Human feces is manure and is good for nature. But in cities lack of space won’t allow us the luxury of open defecation.

    We will build toilets also. We will clean up our country. We will also elevate poor from poverty. Just need some more time.Recommend

  • wb

    Hahahaha. Lol. They may not necessarily understand your sarcasm. Recommend

  • Lingo

    Not sure then why World bank and oxfam keep saying that more then 90 percent open defecation in South Asia happens in India.

    Now if you please stop assuming, that your imaginative numbers are reality and answer me properly, where did you get this percentages from, I mean any reliable source out of India?

    Regarding Indian big numbers vis a vis Pakistan, I would like to say that almost any number related to anything is expected as a big number from India. As a matter of fact by now India should have all positive numbers bigger then any other country but it does not.

    I asked @wb a questions for which you replied but did not provide a proper answer with respect to producing huge numbers of Doctors, Engineers and Scientists.

    Now can you also provide me any data related to Indian commenting. Are these well educated Indian commenting and working free for the sake of their countries dignity or are they working on payroll. Is it some kind of charitable volunteering you guys are doing or some religious attitude?Recommend

  • Lingo

    @pure ind – What our minister said is very true two countries that got independence on the same day have grown poles apart.

    Well said. One country is trying to protect itself from aggression for good few decades and is succeeding every year. While other is Rapistan, there is increased tide of killing humans to save cow there, end of the day its vedic logic that prevails in Indian reality, These Doctors, Engineers and Scientists are only the presentation for other countries that India is modern, moral and just society. Please correct me if I am mistaken, most of your Doctors, Engineers and Scientists leave India and move out to other countries for their personal good. Based on this educated diaspora Indians back home claim to be civilised.

    You said it right that two countries have grown poles apart.Recommend

  • addo

    Good we don’t want your islamist ‘love’. We are hindu and proud. You have murdered all hindus sikhs christians atheists in pakistan, we have the right to do the same to muslims here. You call your country “islamic republic” why don’t you change the name and become secular yourself instead of expecting it from us? If we are becoming hindu pakistan you should be happy no? Stop worrying about indian muslims and start worrying about pakistani hindus.Recommend

  • Lingo

    In 1947 literacy rate of Pakistan after migration was nearly zero while india’s nearly 30%. During pre-partition era there was quota system by British raj in university and colleges. After enrolling whites they will enroll christians then Hindus/Sikhs and remaining 5% or so seats were offered to muslims.

    How did Pakistan manage to reduce this gap in education while India failed to achieve 100%. At the same time when Pakistan is fighting on different fronts they have managed to produce terrorists as well as weapon systems and medicine, they are now flourishing in aviation and auto industry. At the time of partition Pakistan was 100% agriculture based economy but now it is semi industrialised nation moving fast toward becoming industrialised.

    Regarding space mission of your country that you take as pride is not a big issue here. But it definitely is a matter of intellectual debate to ask questions, like what should be India’s priorities? Should space be India’s priority while this country could have educate their men/women to 100% by not spending on space missions as a matter of priority? Is so called 74% literacy rate enough for India to feel proud? Could it have been good for India to remain at 50% literacy with high quality professionals instead of 74% with majority among them who can merely read and write (as per definition of literacy)? Its not our concern though its a matter of intellectual debate. I am not satisfied with Pakistan’s performance, with regards to education achievement but would like to mention that Pakistan certainly have better intellectuals in terms of quality vis a vis India, but thats not enough.Recommend

  • IoK

    Can you prove what you said.Recommend

  • IoK

    How did you count them? or are you using imagination?Recommend

  • IoK

    All terrorists after military operation were tried in military court thats why we had success against these terrorists sponsored by India.

    He was not given consular access because he had no legal right to claim access to consular, he had legal right to access a lawyer.

    Hafiz saeed case happened before military operations also your country claims that he is a terrorist not ours even China said it.Recommend

  • IoK

    Are you reminding us about same Kasab that said something about ram/bhagwan or some different one you invented.Recommend

  • IoK

    Why he should prove anything? Your man was arrested within Pakistan with fake documents and he acknowledged it. As per him he entered from Iran into Pakistan for terrorists activities and now he feels sorry.

    Can you prove it the other way please.Recommend

  • Rohan

    Your friend hafeez saeed already has half a million at his disposal and god knows how many masood azar hasRecommend

  • wb

    And that’s why International Court of Justice threw rotten eggs on your facees!!! Happy?Recommend

  • Gratgy

    Lol Because India has such a large population duh!, is that so difficult to understand. By the way these are not imaginary numbers, a simple google search will tell you otherwise

    Statistics of Swatch Bharat mission
    “As many as 49.62 million more households in India have toilets–rising from 38.7% in 2014 to 69.04% in 2017–and 250,000 of India’s 649,481 villages have been declared free of open defecation”

    You ask a stupid questions and expect people to reply, that definitely answers a lot of questions about you. What does engineers and doctors have to do with toilets. Pakistan has neither so you must be really proud.

    As far as working on a payroll goes, We consider you guys as amusement and definitely not workRecommend

  • Gratgy

    But then they don’t understand much of anythingRecommend

  • Gratgy

    That is is all bullshit told by your textbooks, give us some neutral sources that British did not enroll Muslims in universities. In fact they built an entire university for Muslims called Mohammedan Anglo-Oriental College, now called Aligarh Muslim University.

    Read https://imperialglobalexeter.com/2015/01/06/muslim-education-in-britain-lessons-from-colonial-india/

    In the 1960’s you were ahead of us economically and most other indexes getting plush American aid while India was doing poorly due to misplaced Nehruvian socialistic policies.

    Always playing the victims aren’t you. Don’t blame the British for your current failed state, the failure totally belongs to youRecommend

  • hp kumar

    Cha-cha. ..good morning ..haha lolRecommend

  • wb

    No. I can’t prove it. Just like Pakistan cannot prove that he entered Pakistan and committed acts of terror. Confession under duress is not acceptable by any court. This is why ICJ slammed eggs on Pakistani legal team!!!Recommend

  • Lingo

    Thanks for reply. No I did not try to deride anyone, from Mogadishu to Mongolia, Havana to Philippines each and every country will one day do it not just India. Indians are not unique in this sense.

    You said human feces is good for nature, may I ask how it will turn bad for nature if toilets are build in small towns and villages. So far even Mombay and new delhi dont have many.

    As you are the proper person, I would like to know why Indians have such a sharp tounge without any mega achievement? Also please tell me how much do you earn every month by leaving comments on different websites? Is this the only job you have?Recommend

  • Lingo

    Not sure then why World bank and oxfam keep saying that more then 90 percent open defecation in South Asia happens in India.

    Now if you please stop assuming, that your imaginative numbers are reality and answer me properly, where did you get this percentages from, I mean any reliable source out of India?

    Regarding Indian big numbers vis a vis Pakistan, I would like to say that almost any number related to anything is expected as a big number from India. As a matter of fact by now India should have all positive numbers bigger then any other country but it does not.

    I asked a questions for which you replied but did not provide a proper answer with respect to producing huge numbers of Doctors, Engineers and Scientists.

    Now can you also provide me any data related to Indian commenting. Are these well educated Indian commenting and working free for the sake of their countries dignity or are they working on payroll. Is it some kind of charitable volunteering you guys are doing or some religious attitude?Recommend

  • Lingo

    @Sane Sid — A person with spending of 1.9$ a day would be very rich in Pakistan…. we have poors spending that amount…..

    What do you make of it then, if its true?

    Just to let you know this is not a website for Indian propaganda where you can write anything in comment section for feeble minds of future. Not only your country is failing in its technological endeavours it is also not doing well in spreading propaganda. Utter failure India, gentlemen they (Indians) assume and talk but rarely think before talk.Recommend

  • Nihal

    Small correction friend according to quality control of India’s detailed survey now 73.25% Indian households have toilets.Recommend

  • Dr. Sanjay Gupta

    Diseases caused by open defecation in fields:
    Salmonella
    Typhoid
    Shigella
    Cholera
    Clostridium
    E Coli
    Dysentery [diarrhea]
    Just to name a few.Recommend

  • Noma

    I wish you could say that in reality in front of your imaginative uncle and aunt. Kind of makeup you wear on your face, your sarcasm and religion does not hold any value in front of your uncle and aunt.

    Please check in the mirror and correct your makeup before becoming ruler.Recommend

  • Nihal

    Well, you may believe whatever. But I only see likes of this writer and others advocating debate on preference given to scientific endeavours in neighbouring country while ignoring any debate on preference given to terrorists in their own country. Einstein had said stupidity has no limits looks like Pakistani ‘intellectuals’ are on mission mode to prove him right.Recommend

  • Veer Singh

    Have you even read the article which you are referencing? The 800 million figure given in the article is for the entire world not just India. As mentioned in the article, out of the world’s 800 million poor, India accounts for about 224 million which is about 20% of its population NOT 80%.

    Also, if you are giving absolute numbers, why don’t you also mention that –
    1) India’s population is bigger than the total populations of Africa, North America, South America & Europe.
    2) The population of India’s middle class is bigger than the total populations of 4 out of the 5 continents on the planet.
    3) India has the second biggest middle class in the world after China.
    4) Indian’s Per Capita Income is 30% higher than Pakistan’s (India – $6600, Pakistan – $5100) which makes the average Pakistani poorer than the average Indian.Recommend

  • Veer Singh

    And the most amusing thing is that Pakistanis worship those invaders like Ghaznavi, Ghauri etc and have even named their missiles after those tyrants. Height of stupidity!Recommend

  • Veer Singh

    Do you seriously believe the video of Jadhav’s confession? Come with me for 2 hours & I’ll make you “confess” that you are Osama Bin Laden.Recommend

  • Gratgy

    You mean child rapistan, one in six pakistani children are assaulted . Hundreds of children were raped and videographed in kasur,at a scale never seen before in any country. Add to that the glorious tradition of bacha bazi. If all our doctors leave then why do your people beg to come here for medical treatment. Is it because begging has become a habitRecommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Gemini Diplomat confirmed this, citing his sources.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-4512414/Former-German-ambassador-Pakistan-Jadhav-s-hanging.html

    You guys think you can get away with kidnapping an Indian and framing him? India has taken the matter to ICJ.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-4512414/Former-German-ambassador-Pakistan-Jadhav-s-hanging.html

    German Diplomat cites his source and confirmed Jadhav was an innocent kidnapped from Iran.

    No wonder India took this to ICJ. You will be embarrassed AGAIN!Recommend

  • wb

    “You said human feces is good for nature, may I ask how it will turn bad for nature if toilets are build in small towns and villages. So far even Mombay and new delhi dont have many.”

    No. But it’s not required. If Mumbai and Delhi don’t have many, we’ll build it.

    India itself is a mega achievement which obviously you can’t see. And I’m not going to speak of each achievement. You can google and find out. Start with Indian elections.

    I get paid an idli, a cup of tea and 8.50 rupees as bus charge. Yes, this is my job, because I’m too poor.Recommend

  • wb

    Noma, thank you for proving my point.

    I warned Nomad that Pakistanis are very dull people. They don’t understand wit, sarcasm, banter, pun, rhetoric. Very very dull and boring people.Recommend

  • Lingo

    Why India has such a large population while it has not so many toilets? It is difficult to understand. Simple and complex google search both revealed that India lack toilets this also contributory to sick health as well as rapes. World Bank & Oxfam also thinks the same. I do not believe on your countries fake statistics.

    Which was the stupid question that I asked? I think you are uneducated as well, apart from living in slums without toilets. Your comment about Doctors & Engineers have nothing to do with toilets reveal that.

    So you are not working on payroll but volunteering because you see amusement in spreading your lies and propaganda. Can you tell me why your country lack charities, India is among the bottom of the list when it comes to charitable work. Believe me charities are good for any society. They can highlight issues and try to find solutions without/with intervention of governments. They can educate without prejudice. Charities can highlight underlying reasons for hindutva terrorists in your country. Is it not something Indians need? If Indians dont need it then please tell me why? Think about it.Recommend

  • Lingo

    Why its not required? Sure you can build it, its very positive. Same goes for Pakistan, it has already reduced terrorism for which it was partially responsible (only about one third responsible). It will keep working on it. I would like to suggest on this to you to please arrange a movement within India for something positive, to enlighten Indians if they really want to become great in this modern century, then please stop assuming (not just uni professors), open-up your mind and talk positively. You can not defeat any country just by spreading propaganda. I believe Indians have said the same way before to Pakistan that terrorism can not win anything for Pakistan.

    Regarding your comment about India itself is mega achievement. I dont know, cannot say for sure, it might be for you, but for us Pakistan from day one seems more bigger achievement that has survived 70 years with all the sickness that has been thrown on this country from outside + the sickness that it had + the sickness that it created for itself. As it is recovering from past new illnesses are coming again from outside. It will continue and we will tackle it.

    Please take my advice and don’t earn Idli and tea for this sake. Your country have so many problems to tackle, from poverty to rape to internal terror from hindutvas, please do it there you will make your country better. Take alternate approach to upgrade your country instead of fake approach in which yourself and your leaders first degrade others so they automatically appear good. Thats no achievement at all.Recommend

  • Lingo

    Those who did it were at least brought to attention and are being investigated further. No one has openly supported them or tried to justified their behaviour, like some Indians did in the documentary presented by BBC on new delhi rape case. Please see the documentary on you tube and judge for yourself. Scale of child abuse in countries like russia is much bigger same is in Europe, I mean white males abusing children for their pleasure and money.

    Baacha Baazi is not Pakistani tradition its Afghani. You can watch documentaries regarding that as well on russia today and you tube where journalists have interviewed Afghanis.

    There are less doctors available in India per 1000 population as compared to Pakistan. In any given approximately 1000 patients visit India and that is not significant. Main reasson for the patients in choosing India for treatment is their proximity to India + less cost (then going to Iran) + ease of language while they can avail treatment inside Pakistan doing so makes their life more easy for not waiting in the que and getting the treatment early. Also dont forget that Indian dramatise any situation, thats why soon after Sushma’s debate a visa was given to cancer patient for treatment in India on which your media and people like you are feeding on this website.

    Can you elaborate more on begging, please. Your own countries department of health said that Pakistan’s medical tourism to India is non significant as very few Pakistanis come to India for treatment but per capita spend is more then any other country that comes to India for treatment, like Indian-Americans, Indian-British, Bangladeshi’s and Afghans. If your country is not willing to sell medical treatment as a service then please stop issuing visas to Pakistani’s, no gimmicks.Recommend

  • Sane

    To the writer: You wrote something which flames Indians. Although very true you said, but Modi commentators are out to say this and that. Recommend

  • IoK

    Ok So tell me how did you count thousands of terrorists coming to India everyday?Recommend

  • Sane

    This is more important that world must read your rhetoric and baseless denials to the facts. India after all harbors terrorists. It is claimed proudly many times by your politicians including your PM, Modi.Recommend

  • Sane

    Indians will never come out of slave mentality. They welcomed every invader and still ready to do.Recommend

  • IoK

    Yadhav himself confessed in the video. Thats all there is to it. Your country can prove it. In the mean time Pakistan has not hanged him.

    This diplomat did say that its not intelligence led information but rather few locals told him which could be wrong. These diplomats in any country are not allowed to travel outside of the city for which the visa was issued to them, its the same rule in all countries on earth. Remember the spy Raymond Davis, he killed two guys in Lahore and US claimed diplomatic immunity on his behalf. Later it was a deal between two countries that he was released and in return Pakistan claimed two guys who were in US prison. At that time Pakistan did mention that Pakistan does not give diplomatic visas to spies, its a violation of the rules of diplomatic visa.

    Furthermore, Iran has declined that Yadhav was in Chabhar.Recommend

  • IoK

    You need to watch his confession video. This ICJ that you are talking about is it in India or somewhere else. If its in India then I can guess they slammed eggs, thats what Indian courts and solicitors are all about. Recommend

  • Lingo

    I replied to people of your status who are only interested in one thing dramatisation . This one website alone provides more information about activities against terror within Pakistan by Pakistanis.

    “Einstein had said stupidity has no limits looks like Pakistani ‘intellectuals’ are on mission mode to prove him right.”

    Did Einstein said so in same dramatisation mode as you did? What was his objective and what is yours? In the light of your own comment it seems like Indians are more ignorant and are copy cats without any proper ideology. There is nothing wrong in science as long as leadership considers their priorities well. More crucial areas deserve first attention. As of today numbers of Indians killed by terroristan is way less then Indians killed by Indians on the name of religion.

    Likes of this writer have same freedom that you have here and Sushma have in UN. Do you make something out of it at all? World over all is going in wrong direction, intellectualism is decreasing every where, including west. Pakistan & India did not even mature in this regard. Consider this, at this point in human civilisation global wealth is more then it was in any other point in history, but leaders of many countries and their population displays diminishing signs of intellectualism.Recommend

  • wb

    I have watched his confession video. . It’s a matter of common sense that your agencies lack!! ICJ is International Court of Justice and it is in Hague.

    You could have googled and found it out. But, wait a minute…you Pakistani don’t know how to use google, like Maliha Lodi.Recommend

  • Lingo

    I did not say that British did not enrol Muslims. These universities that originated at that time separately for Muslims were part of same phenomena, when Muslims were actively debating that they will lag behind others if that continued. It was to satisfy them. Apart from that many other institute were built by Muslims themselve but quality of education was poor during that turbulent time. Because Muslims were enemy and not others in the same region.

    Few thousand Brits that came to sub continent were part of Freemasons (and other aligned ideological groups), who for a long time were against Muslims and Christians and original Jews. Although they appeared as Christians and displayed more in favour of Christianity, but all over the world they wanted to destroy these three original religions. Jewish religion was taken over by Zionists, Christian religion was fractionated in many sects and taken over by them and templars, Islamic countries and religion was also fractionated, taken over by creating many fundamental ideologies. Now we are at a point in time where these zions/freemason/fundamentalist movements work in coherence and original of the three are marginalised.

    I do have some material, but I can not upload that here.

    In 1960 we were ahead of you because at that time our policies were better and we had no real threat from outside world apart from India. You are aware after that how things changed. Take a sign from that, if Pakistan of 1960 could have done it better under conditions of that time then Pakistan can do it again.Recommend