Is it really the working class men who stop privileged women from ‘doing their own thing’?

Published: September 8, 2016
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Yesterday, we shared the Do Your Own Thing (DYOT) video with our take on it. The video was taken down last night, so our post has disappeared… along with all the shares made from this page. For the sake of the on-going discussion on social media right now, we are re-posting our comments again:

This video has recently been shared a lot and the feelings many people expressed have been mixed. We think it is useful to talk more about it and add to the conversation.

Firstly, kudos to these girls. This could not have been easy to do. We have to be careful in our analysis where we pinpoint what is problematic, but not let our own internalised sexism shape it in any way. It is important to acknowledge this. Female presence is not normalised in public space. We’ll admit that we often want it to be done in a certain way, in what we perceive to be the most intentional or informed way. But in that process we must not adopt a holier-than-thou approach or start policing other women’s behaviour in public spaces. We may or may not like it, but this ad too, is an expression of mobility.

We are glad that ads are finally beginning to show confident young women asserting their rights to be in male-dominated spaces. We are glad they are pushing for women’s rights to be where they desire, in the way they choose to desire. And we need popular media to pick it up and normalise it in different ways.

But can we look at our decisions more closely? Unfortunately, having thin, pretty women dancing (to Beyonce!) in public spaces, while working class men gawk at them, is an image that is part of the problem. We had a mini think-in within our team about where this ad makes us uncomfortable, and here’s what we came up with:

1. In encouraging women to do their own thing, why must we demonise working class men? Are these really the men who stop privileged women from doing their own thing?

The people who police us and keep us from ‘doing our own thing’ are much closer to home: our parents, our brothers, our husbands. They are in our schools, in our workplaces, in our ‘educated and respectable’ social circles, and private spaces — where most harassment and assault occurs.

Statistically, most women report sexual violence in a private space, by someone they know. Not on the streets.

Yet, this video portrays men from working class backgrounds as the problem, successfully diverting attention from the real issue: policing women from interacting with working class men.

Think about it: how many times have you been told not to loiter or hang around in a public space because of the ‘kind of men’ there? Most of us are taught to fear, or be suspicious of, the ordinary male hawker / shopkeeper / rickshaw wala. Yet, interacting with these same men has personally taught us that this mistrust and suspicion is misplaced.

How do we expect to build safe, non-hostile public spaces if we (middle, upper-class women) draw boundaries (from working class men) and view one another with suspicion? Why can’t we fathom a world where the rickshaw wala or the shopkeeper is an equal, a friend? What do we gain from asserting our right to be in public by excluding another group, except a public space that is hostile in a new way?

Our idea of women in public spaces needs to be rooted in claiming/sharing/co-existing in public spaces, instead of consuming spaces from another social group. We need to reimagine our public spaces to welcome all identities, where all genders can interact and exist across class and religious boundaries. Also, where the dukaan walas (shopkeepers) and the upper-class women can share an experience rooted in mutual respect and trust (like sharing a conversation over chai, or even breaking out into dance together.)

A space like this (unlike the space shown in the video) is not marked by differences.

2. This brand uses working class men in their ad as props for their profits but sells clothes which are hardly affordable. Does anyone see the grotesque irony here? The day working class women and men can walk into this store without feeling out of place and afford these products as ‘daily’ wear, is the day one can perhaps responsibly use these images from a social justice lens.

DYOT claims ‘NO AGENDA or social cause—just a bunch of creative people owning a place in the way they wanted.’

That is dishonest at best— of course there is an agenda here — to sell clothes!

Regardless of what the message is — a commercial brand is complicit in maintaining structures of power that affect us all. Is that really in line with feminist ideals?

We struggle with this often. On one hand, we are quick to call out brands when they are particularly sexist or problematic. Yet, when the same brands churn out beautiful feminist ads (like the recent Qmobile ad about girls playing cricket) we are equally quick to share and applaud them. We don’t call them out for commercialising feminism then.

The question we ask ourselves: When an entity (even if it is a corporate entity) chooses to engage with issues in a positive way, shouldn’t they be encouraged? There is such little space for alternative narratives in Pakistani popular culture, that anything even remotely progressive feels radical.

That is not to say we shouldn’t lose sight of the ways corporations hijack social causes. That is not to say that brands and ads should not be criticised and analysed. But given that ads play a role in shaping popular culture and mainstreaming narratives that break convention, we can acknowledge where they create opportunities to open up conversations.

3. In critiquing this ad, we are not saying that women should not break into a flash-mob in public. We are not invalidating other women’s experiences. As we said earlier, whether we agree or not, this ad too is an expression of mobility. Others often feel the same way about our expressions of mobility. No one has the foresight or end solutions in hand from the get-go. But critique and constant self-reflection must go hand in hand as we try to navigate all of this together.

In the spirit of that, let’s all reflect on these ads, and challenge our assumptions. At the very least, this ad has opened up a much-needed conversation. We just hope that the conversation does not get misdirected before it even begins.

This post originally appeared elsewhere.

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  • S.A Waqas

    These women are not dancing by their own will or for “Women Empowerment”. its Paid ad of “DYOT” & girls are paid for this so please dont link or pretend that they did for “Women empowerment”. All scene are scripted like film .Recommend

  • Omer

    It’s like hey guys we’re shooting a video and some models will dance here so please make space, dun forget to take your phones out and shoot it with your Q mobile. What are you trying to assert? I am utterly confused? It’s a country where women are riding Motorcycles and Bicycles all the way to Khunjerab pass, for God’s sake.Recommend

  • Usman

    it was a good attempt but unfortunately very badly planned and executed, it could be a lot better, moreover no one is really stopping women to do their own things but it’s just a state a mind of few people who want to commercialize it.Recommend

  • Brother Aly

    Gonna get some pop corn and wait to see just how down south these comments go :DRecommend

  • Keyboard Soldier

    In a highly Islamised and tribal country like Pakistan, even doing such a video, scripted or not is gutsy.

    Another 10 years of democracy and we might actually end up having Pakistan as a livable space for women.

    However, if a Jihad-loving general comes to power again, you can be assured of another round of hardcore Islamism imposed on this country. And within Wahabbi/Deobandi Islam, the main targets are women and minorities.Recommend

  • TAQ

    Girls have been dancing at mehndis for generations and no sky has fallen. Let them have fun! Also, I don’t see men shown in bad light here. The writer is over-analyzing in my opinion!Recommend

  • Parvez

    What is more important , the message or the quality of the paper it is written on ?Recommend

  • Parvez

    What our people need is an explanation……..at the end of the small dance routine a few simple signs in Urdu, clearly explaining what it was all about should have been held up……. it would have made the whole thing more effective for the public.Recommend

  • Zubair Ahmed

    Dancing in front of whole crowd just because some random guy was staring you, DYOT found a new way(creative) of selling cloths in the name of dancing empowermentRecommend

  • Iram Chawla

    Women in Pakistan are conquering “Everest”, are very well performing in every field of science and arts, female cricket team is bringing more trophies than male cricket team. Why can’t we promote these accomplishments. My point is that un-knowingly these kind of ads will again bring women to being good entertainers, and that is what I hate. We are not dancers or entertainers this is not how I would enjoy my freedom I just want other people (men and women) to accept myself as an equal member of the society and don’t boss me around. I can achieve that by showing them that I can earn myself better rewards then those who make us object of entertainment.Recommend

  • Spyrogyra
  • sher khan

    She conquered it with her brother :)Recommend

  • Phantom

    Pooping in public is also gutsy…takes a lot of willpower.
    I’ve never heard of anyone refer to it as human empowerment though. Maybe, they should…or maybe I’m being too harsh…

    My point is, no one stopped these girls from doing their thing. All they got were odd quizzical stares, which is probably what a bunch of guys would have gotten as well, because just breaking into a dance isn’t a thing even among men.

    As such, I think this ad should be seen for what it is…another grain of sand in the beach of ads using Freudian logic and exploiting women (in this case with a sugar coat of feminism) to gather attention to their brand.Recommend

  • sher khan

    Woman locked in the homes all the same chant. these blogs keep popping in ET from time to time. You read it once in the newspaper , or saw it happening to a woman somewhere will not make it our national problem. It doesn’t mean to say that it happens everywhere and everyday. Husband beat wives even in the west who have 911 at their disposal but they don’t call. We will not say that it is their national problem.

    Read Facebook coo’s book, Sheryl Sandberg, or listen to her TED talk. Doubt was in her psyche as well. She is also crying the same thing as girls in dhaba. She talked about woman not taking initiatives in front of men in different Scenarios at meetings, fearing , having doubt’s , or not confident enough even after graduating from Harvard in some cases etc . Do you think this is taught in US by their parents? or by their environment.

    so it is a global phenomenon. you or anyone can’t change it. You are not taught to fear. it’s in your psyche. you can’t change it. naturally you are administrator of homes. And you do it very well. Men can’t do it. they will be depressed if they stay in doors for two days straight. We longed to go to work at Mondays after two days off. So men and woman are not equal in many ways.

    Secondly

    Men in most of the cases are not stopping you.You want everyone to give you VIP or special treatment because you are girl. it’s also inbuilt in woman :)

    thirdly
    my say is that the things can’t ever get normal anywhere in the world as they man and woman will at some level see other in physical context. It is how we are make. So agenda or not we should forget about what we can’t control and concentrate on getting a life.Recommend

  • farhan

    we want islam, period. Even the surveys prove itRecommend

  • Woman

    I once danced on a street corner in an evening in Delhi because there was a group of little kids playing drums and dholaks. I was with my dad and I said this is fun I feel like dancing and my dad said go ahead. and so I did. So my intent was not to be an entertainer but just enjoy the moment the way i wanted to and it was great fun. Why should anyone have a problem with that?Recommend

  • gp65

    “2. This brand uses working class men in their ad as props for their profits but sells clothes which are hardly affordable. Does anyone see the grotesque irony here? The day working class women and men can walk into this store without feeling out of place and afford these products as ‘daily’ wear, is the day one can perhaps responsibly use these images from a social justice lens.”

    So are ads which use women as a prop for shaving cream and fancy cars primarily targeting these women? I see nothing wrong in an ad using models from a group or strata that is not their target audience.

    DYOT claims ‘NO AGENDA or social cause—just a bunch of creative people owning a place in the way they wanted.’

    That is dishonest at best— of course there is an agenda here — to sell clothes!”

    Now you are being disingenuous. OF course if it is an ad, it is trying to sell something. However what they mean is that it does not have any social agenda – and that may well be the case.

    We struggle with this often. On one hand, we are quick to call out brands when they are particularly sexist or problematic. Yet, when the same brands churn out beautiful feminist ads (like the recent Qmobile ad about girls playing cricket) we are equally quick to share and applaud them. We don’t call them out for commercialising feminism then”
    So damned if you do, damned if you don’t?Recommend

  • gp65

    The company DYOT is quite upfront that their primary purpose was to create awareness for their brand and not promote any social agenda.
    Having said that, an ad may be created in such a manner that it promotes certain values besides of course the product they are expected to promote in the first place. Some ads promote family values, some encourage charity, some promote empowerment and some objectify women. This particular ad does promote empowerment though that was not the primary purpose.Recommend

  • anon0912

    Okay here goes. First of all being an average citizen of Pakistan and taking a ride in an auto,I can tell you for sure that many a times I have seen the auto driver slow down to just ogle at random women in the streets. This problem is a very deep seated one and you have to bring about changes at the microscopic level. For example instead of promoting healthy stable relationships between the two genders,women are denied basic human rights where they are locked away 24/7 and slave over a hot stove. As for the men when they finally do see the women its something more akin to a unicorn. Secondly this was just smart marketing. They associated their product with feminism and defiance of a patriarchal society all the while brewing up controversy to get people to talk about it. A human being should be able to do whatever it wants without it being judged all the time. Just mind your own damn business. As long as someone isn’t breaking any laws who even really cares. If these women really want to dance in public they have a right to do so. If the above goes against your morals. Look away. Talk about double standards. Katrina Kaif dancing on the front page of You Tube Pakistan and the moral police comes out to slut shame a bunch of models. Gimme a break. Sorry for the long rant.Recommend

  • Aam Pakistani

    this ad actually objectifies womenRecommend

  • Aam Pakistani

    I think that’s a very shallow approach. While you have it right when you say that this problem needs to be addressed at the grass root (or microscopic) level you are wrong about this being smart marketing. This is a wanna be, westernized, mummy daddy approach. The solution to this problem is education – not through dumb tv ads where companies pretend that they want to champion social issues but really the objective is to create awareness about their own products and increase sales. An education system is required for masses to elevate their sensibilities and to rid them of ancient cultural and dogmatic beliefs. I’m sorry, but this ad only shows the rise of wannabe culture in Pakistan. The only people discussing this ad are people who are educated and privileged. It does nothing to change the behavior of the average Pakistani man.Recommend

  • Aam Pakistani

    India is very different from Pakistan. Dancing is part of the Hindu religion and culture. It is not part of Islamic culture. Not that Pakistanis follow the Islamic values and culture a lot but yeah dancing on the street in the fashion these ladies did, would certainly raise eyebrows and create a controversy.Recommend

  • Aam Pakistani

    you are so wrong. compromising on religious values is not what results in oppression of women. It is actually the poor knowledge of Islam that oppresses not just women but men also. By the way, id like to see your sister dance on the street, would you let her? maybe not right? women dancing on street to beyonce song is not a sign of good democracy. Your rulers are looting people and not investing in education, that’s the problem.Recommend

  • Aam Pakistani

    by the way, you are not an average citizen of Pakistan. you most definitely are above average.Recommend

  • Aam Pakistani

    you need helpRecommend

  • BrainBro

    I don’t own my sister. She is her own person. That is the problem with Muslims.

    They are taught by Shariah to own their women. Literally.Recommend