Why are these members of authority and celebrities silent over the Kashmir issue?

Published: July 25, 2016
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"Sorry Mark but Facebook wont let us post about what happened to you." PHOTO: NEVER FORGET PAKISTAN

We had been seeing pictures of kids as young as four being admitted in hospitals, their faces mutilated with pellets. Young Kashmiris, some sportsman and some students losing their dreams as their vision was taken away with what the Indian forces described as ‘non-lethal weapons.’

On top of that, Facebook had the audacity to censor these stories in the name of ‘Community Standards.’ We wanted to do a campaign against the use of pellets. Narendra Modi was an obvious choice as he is the prime minister. Sonia Gandhi was chosen because her ally, Omar Abdullah, sanctioned the use of these guns in 2010. It is their collective policies that are resulting in these atrocities. Mark Zuckerberg was selected to highlight the consequences of internet censorship.

We chose Bollywood celebrities because in India they are more than just film stars. They are cultural icons. They are worshipped by their fans and have, in the past, put their weight behind rights issues. Many celebrities were vocal about stricter laws against rape and also active in the economic suppression of farmers, resulting in their suicides.

Then why the silence on Kashmir?

Their movies do business in Kashmir. They go and shoot their films in Kashmir and earn massive revenues. Don’t they feel anything for the people who live there?

We chose these people as a means to create empathy. We live in a sad world where we have to come up with creative, and at times, extreme ways just to make people pause for a second, look, think and reflect.

“Sorry Mark but Facebook wont let us post about what happened to you.”
Click on the picture to read more about Facebook censorship on Kashmir.

Dear Shahrukh, The Army you glorify hunts down unarmed Kashmiri children. Click on the picture to read more about what happened to Hamid Nazir here.

Dear Modi ji, the laws of your democracy are making Kashmiris silent and blind.
Kashmiri doctors lament injuries by pellets in protests. To read more click on the picture.

Dear Amit Ji, your silence is killing Kashmiri sons and daughters.
Click on the picture to read more about the late Gowhar Nazir.

Dear Sonia ji you bear the burden of sanctioning the use of pellet guns.
Click on the picture to read about hospitals Flooded with injured youngsters in a brutalised Kashmir.

Dear Virat, your silience is killing sporting dreams of Kashmiris
Click on the picture to read more about Sahil Zahoor.

Dear Aishwariya, would you speak for someone else’s four year old?
Click on the picture to read about Zuhra Majeed.

Dear Alia, more students are turning blind every year in Kashmir. Click on the picture to read more about Insha Mushtaq.

Dear Saif, Kashmir is losing hope in you.Click on the picture to read about Umar Nazir.

Dear Kajol, would you speak for a fellow mother?
Click on the picture to read more about Tamanna.

Dear Hrithik, would Krish save Kashmiri children from a tyrant army?
Click on the picture to read more about Imaad Ahmad.

That is why we made them look like victims of the same brutalities Kashmiris suffer. The letters, written alongside every picture, were drafted by us but the stories in the letters are real. The names of the victims are real. We wanted to avail every opportunity we got to connect the audience to the struggle of the Kashmiri people – to read and learn as much as possible about their plight; that is why we added links to the actual news stories about these victims with every picture.

We used 11 posters and we tried to highlight different stories and issues. Some talk about how the forces attack non-protestors as well as how age is not a factor, how they shoot at point-blank range, how doctors are harassed in hospitals, how patients are denied medical treatment and arrested from hospitals and how the forces – despite all this – enjoy complete immunity because of draconian laws like the Armed Forces Special Powers Act, which makes a mockery out of India’s claim to be a secular democracy.

We are an organisation based in Pakistan, but we do not carry any misplaced sense of nationalism. For this album, our audience, apart from the people addressed in the posters, is the world at large.

Unfortunately, many Pakistanis and Indians carry a misplaced sense of nationalism. There are those who see the human side of it, and then there are those who take this opportunity to play the blame game and not agree that human life and freedom is most precious.

But our main audience were and are, of course, the Kashmiris themselves.

If nothing else, this is a way to tell them that we are on their side – that they are not alone and that the world is listening, trying, fighting for them too.

Even before launching the campaign we tried to contact as many Kashmiri activists we could and got their approval for the campaign. We did not want to undermine their struggle or be insensitive to it. We are just amplifiers, the voice we are amplifying is that of the Kashmiri people. The positive response we have received from our Kashmiri brothers and sisters is very encouraging. If we are able to add even an iota to their strength, we would consider our work done. But that will not absolve the celebrities; whom we have addressed in these posters. We will wait for them to break their silence.

I believe people should realise that we live in the digital age. The best they can do is create awareness about the Kashmiri struggle. All mediums are open; posters, poems, songs, ads, short films.

How you can help us take this campaign forward is by sharing stories of real victims with us so we can amplify them. But whichever way you design your campaign, you need to realise you are not someone’s mouthpiece, you are just an amplifier. All we need to agree on is one simple point, #LetKashmirDecide.

Note: Never Forget Pakistan is a welfare society which works to create positive narratives and do advocacy on human rights. We do not suffer from any misplaced sentiment of nationalism. We speak against abuses be it by any state or government including our own.

Campaign Objective:

You know these faces. Does that make the tragedies more important? The stories in the letters are real. The names signed under the letter are real. The victim you see in the picture is not real. But do you really care what the profile of the victim is in order for you to sympathise and empathise with them, for you to speak for them? Why do we need to glamourise a tragedy in order for people to pay attention?

Have we all become that numb?

This campaign is designed to highlight the atrocities and abuses carried out by the Indian Armed forces and Police who enjoy complete immunity under the Armed Forces Special Powers Act which has made a mockery of India’s claim to be a secular democracy.

Scores have been blinded, several killed and hundreds injured by what India describes as a ‘non-lethal’ weapon i.e. the pellet gun.

We condemn and lament the criminal silence and inaction of the Indian government and cultural icons of India. Furthermore, we strongly condemn the pick and choose policy of Facebook, which conveniently censors posts highlighting the plight of the Kashmiris and later excuses itself by calling the censorship a ‘mistake.’

This campaign is not about jingoism. It is about trying to create empathy. We live in a sad world where we have to present genuine tragedies in a creative way just to make people pause and think for a moment.

As advocates for human rights, we believe that Kashmir, independent of any force and influence from India and Pakistan, should have the right to determine its own identity and future.

Concept/Copywriting: Mohammad Jibran Nasir

Artwork: Murtaza Abbas / Batool Aqeel

Campaign: What if you knew the Victim? ‪#‎IndiaCantSee by Never Forget Pakistan

Mohammad.Jibran.Nasir

Jibran Nasir

A lawyer and civil and political rights activist. He is the co-founder of Elaj Trust, Pakistan For All and Never Forget Pakistan. He tweets @MJibranNasir (twitter.com/MJibranNasir)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • ajeet

    Because these celebrities know that Pakistan uses Army and Air force against its civilians, but cries when India uses pellets against islamists.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    The reasons are obvious.

    1) World has no patience for Islamic Radicalism and Islamism. If anyone here wants to claim otherwise, including the Author of this blog, can they name atleast one non-Muslim separatist?

    Hurriat leaders like Geelani claim very regularly how he wants Sharia over all of Kashmir. The world knows about the plight of Kashmiri Pandits as well.

    2) Everyone knows Islamists all over the world, including Pakistan, POK and Indian Kashmir, have a lot of mischief potential,but, they don’t get many votes when they stand for elections – a reason why Hurriat never will stand for elections. They will lose and badly! Separatism is not a popular feeling and that is why India is not afraid to host free and fair elections every 6 years.

    One former member contested elections in North Kashmir few years ago to test the waters and lost pretty badly.

    This means the majority people of J&K, which includes Hindus, Sikhs, Shias, Buddhists, are NOT with Radical Islamists.

    3) The world would deal with the situation pretty much the same way India would. In fact, Pakistan deals with Islamists much more harshly. So, when Pakistanis say such things, morally they have no base.Recommend

  • Subharun Nayak

    When these Islamic people and their parents with collusion of Islamic mosque hounded out Hindus and created a genocide , this is the result they are supposed to get. Islamic terror has no place in India. They have to pay for their behaviour.Recommend

  • kumar

    Not sure anyone will buy it from a country that breeds terroristsRecommend

  • clap clap

    Was permission taken from these celebrities to use their image? All of them may not like to associate themsleves with whatever cause is being supported here.Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    “Never Forget Pakistan” …… What a Joke …. you have started your campaign with J&K? TO BEGIN WITH YOU ARE FORGETTING PAKISTAN ALTOGETHER? What is this campaign?

    Start something like a) Killings in Karachi; b) bombardments by F16s in FATA; c) misplaced persons in Baluchistan; d) Human rights violations by establishment of Military Courts; e) Imposition of Protection of Pakistan Act, 2014 in entire Pakistan which is akin to AFSPA in J&K; f) Killing of hundreds of Hazara Shias; g) State action against Mohajirs; h) Usurpation of civil rights in Gilgit Baltistan; i) Presence and protection of declared terrorists by GoP etc. etc. etc.
    Recommend

  • Alamdar Raza

    Beautifully done… Hope this creates waves on the other sideRecommend

  • Parvez

    Very effective….apparently this has been up on Facebook for over 24 hrs….so that’s good.Recommend

  • Rationalist

    How about images of Raheel Sharif, Nawaz Sharif, Hafeez Sayid, Musharraf, Imran Khan to complete the pictureRecommend

  • AryaBhatt

    A lot of emotional stuff….
    A person is not Kashmiri, unless he has a Kashmiri name and follows Kashmiri language, religion and culture. If he follows Islam, then he has abandoned being a Kashmiri as Islam is not Kashmiri.Recommend

  • Ashutosh

    Is it that hard to comprehned??? It’s because they don’t support terrorists and terrorist sympathisers who take up arms against an established democracy. Its because they know, these “azadi” chanting people are a limited few, religiously driven, hardcore fundamentalists working at the behest of their frustrated “akas” sitting across the borders of India, planning another terrorist attack while we talk and all done while hiding behind the facade of “azadi”. The ones pelting stones at the Indian Army will always find their proponents and sympathisers in the likes of Hafiz Saeed, Masood Azhar and people who extol terrorists (read Pakistan) but not in the ones who have a sane and an unradicalised mind…. includeing the people who have been mentioned here.

    Cheers
    -Ashutosh
    Recommend

  • Ramdar

    Jibran Nasir- Pellet guns are fired only in self defence. You are silent on stone throwing, burning of police stations…Be honest to expose the full story. I doubt if this comment will be published byTribuneRecommend

  • Aamir – Toronto

    Thank you Jibran !!Recommend

  • wb

    Dear Jibran Nasir Ji,

    We’re sorry for the loss of your vision. It’s extremely painful to see your face mottled with pellets that our soldiers fired at your face.

    We’re more sorry that you came out to streets as a terrorist sympathizer. We’re sorry that you used a 7 year old as a human shield to get him injured so you can use him as an advertisement to recruit more people for your terrorist causes.

    We’re sorry we couldn’t treat you in time, because your friends and other protesters kept throwing stones and killing and injuring our police/soldiers that made it impossible for us to lift the curfew and give you the proper attention that you desired, even though didn’t deserve.

    But thank Allah that you were only a few hundred. Can you imagine the loss of vision of tens of thousands of terrorist sympathizers? Can you imagine what a loss that would have been to your unholy evil cause?

    And since we believe in free speech, we do not support terrorism or terrorist sympathizers who oppress free speech. So, we’re so sorry that we have to take down all your posts on face book. We do not support those who want to divide society through religious extremism. So, we’re sorry that we’ll never allow your to spread hatred and bigotry on our social networking site.

    Humanist
    Citizen of the worldRecommend

  • Wera

    Only in Pakistan can people so openly support terrorism!
    When people throw stones and use guns against the army, they are to be stopped.
    What do you expect? The army will just sit there and die ?

    These people have captured the land of Kashmiri Pandits and refuse to assimilate with other religions!
    India is a secular country, we don’t make decisions based on religion .Recommend

  • Studebaker

    What a cheap shot.Recommend

  • persona2020

    Dear Jibran Nasir, have you ever though about the plight of Ahamadi, shia, Balooch or minority hindu/christian communities in your country who have been brutalized by your own people over the last many decades? Ever thought about writing something or photo-shopped something for them? If not, then you have no moral ground to talk about Kashmir!Recommend

  • maynotmatter

    Also post the pictures of the Pundits killed by your coward community.Recommend

  • Shilpa

    Selective outrage, isn’t it? Please do a similar campaign for Balochis who are being ruled by your own rulers. Since you are a “civil and political rights activist,” you surely owe such a campaign for your own countrymen and women. Nobody wanted innocent Kashmiris to be injured in the recent protests. In fact, when the 2010 protests resulted in casualties (read lives lost), the Indian Govt. and security establishment wanted a non-lethal option to deal with the kind of mobs who pelt stones and blunt objects at you (not peacefully protest). Unfortunately, pellets ended up being not the non-lethal option the Indian Govt. had hoped for. Compare that to how you’ve dealt with Balochistan, including how you killed Akbar Bugti and still continue to kill and mysteriously disapper hundreds. No outrage for that? Didn’t think of such a campaign for your own fellow countrymena and women then?

    You make it sound as if India is carrying out genocide like the kind you carried out in East Pakistan. Well, post 2010, this is the first kind of violence where more than a few tens have died (around 48 so far over a week to 10 days). That’s not genocide. Compare that with OIC countries and in Pakistan. How many die in such violence perpetrated by the State. Surprised why no outrage then.

    Indian democracy would ensure that pellet guns won’t be used in the future. Because, unlike Pakistan, we’d have this discussed in the Parliament and the parliamentarians would vote for a change. Yes, it’s not the military in charge here.

    Why do Pakistanis become numb when the perpetrators are the Pakistani Army or police? Maybe you should self-introspect sometimes, you may find the answer to that. You’ve made this campaign for 40 odd Kashmiris who were injured by pellets. Why not make some with Obama and Bush juxtaposed for the drone attacks on Pakistanis? Why not? Please go ahead with that too. Not possible?

    It befuddles me as to how Pakistanis and its PM are celebrating a man who took up the gun and died because of it. Burhan Wani was someone who romanticised the gun and posed with it, as if it’s fashionable and had no consequences. He was a social media creation. It only happens in India that such a guy could get away with posting his picture on social media and nothing comes of it till some years later. Imagine, if it was Saudi Arabia or any other gulf state. Where in the world would this guy be treated with kid gloves? Yet, you have Pakistanis celebrating him. Posts like this only anger Indians and does the opposite of what it’s intended to be. If you truly want to change something, HOME is a good place to start. Talk about Chinese atrocities in Xinjiang and the Uyghurs. Maybe then you build enough credibility to protest against others.Recommend

  • 19640909rk .

    you forgot Kim Kardashian and Sunny Leone.Recommend

  • noman

    not even a single comment on this post by any indians. shame on indian double standards.Recommend

  • Concard_007

    If you support a terrorist, don’t expect any support from any civilized nation on the planet. The world is witnessing Islamic terror groups running havoc on peaceful citizens and silence of majority of Muslims. In the same way the world is silent on Kashmir because they don’t want to be on the side of terrorists. And most importantly no one believes Pakistan. Stop kidding yourself, what ever little trust the world had in Pakistan was vanished when Osama was found smoking a pipe in luxury that too almost stones throw from your military academy. Add to it the past Nuclear proliferation by your AQ Khan, all adds up in the end.

    The world has some trust in India no matter how corrupt the nation because the world thinks the nation is atleast moving in the right direction however slowly. By 2030 our economy will be 3rd largest in the world and you won’t see anyone bat a finger at us then including China. We need Pakistanis to be obsessed about Kashmir because it suits our purpose. In 1997 our economies were the same. Today India’s GDP $2 Trillion and growing at 7% whereas Pakistan GDP is $250 billion and stuck in circular debt trap. Just in a span of 20 years, the gap has grown to 10 times. By 2030 the gap would be so wide Pakistan won’t catch up.Recommend

  • Shilpa

    Just finished reading a piece on Mirror titled “Thousands of Turkey coup prisoners ‘raped, starved and hogtied.” Please do read it to understand the cruelty and planned (yes – planned) atrocities. While pellets were never meant to harm and save lives, these are not unintentional injuries, but rather sadistic and disgusting.

    But of course, I am sure you won’t create a similar campaign against fellow OIC country Turkey. Or speak up for the Kurds who’ve been fighting for independence. Of course, Chinese atrocities won’t be seen either, right.

    Indian Army doesn’t do anywhere near the kind of cruelty and torture that is prevalent in OIC member countries. But of course you have your blinkers on!!Recommend

  • Ijaz Mir

    Please read today’s Indian TOI. Head lines that pelt guns will stay. and highlighted MQM protest in USA , Pakistani media is sleeping.Recommend

  • Simla

    The mob used bottles of acid against police, they killed a policeman by drowning him in the river and you expect that they will be treated with flowers. Kashmir issue is totally religious, it’s a continuation of Two Nation Theory. Separatists have named Anantnag as Islamabad. It clearly shows their Islamic agenda.Recommend

  • Lolz

    For all the folks here who categorize the separatists as terrorists, name any city outside Kashmir that they bullied or attacked? You can’t just name them terrorists and move on, this image will haunt the Indian ambitions forever. Moreover, many folks have also tried to highlight towns or issues in Pakistan to justify theirs, I would like to remind them that Pakistan has nothing to lose in the long term as India has been investing to look like a secular state not Pakistan.Recommend

  • Simla

    It seems Muslims are outraged when some of them are hurt by non-Muslims but it is perfectly alright when they are killed by other Muslims. Just this week 80 Hazaras were killed by ISIS. Do I see any op-ed or blog condemning it. Muslims of the Indian Subcontinent already have two countries while there is only India for all other religions. If the Sunni Muslims in Kashmir cannot live with other religions, they will need to go to POK. Mr Nasir, please read some international media, you will know world is now fed up of this Ummah ideology.Recommend

  • SamSal

    Baloch separatists are terroists and Kashmiris are freedom fighters?

    What logic is that?!

    Look at how Pakistan treats the Baloch separatists and then see how they glorify the Kashmir separatists!!

    Do you really think we have the moral base to do it?

    Regards,
    A curios Pakistani!Recommend

  • SamSal

    He is very vocal about Ahmadi and Shia genocide. You can check his other blogs.Recommend

  • wb

    Name one city outside of Pakistan that TTP has attacked?

    You just can’t name them as terrorists and kill those innocent freedom fighters. TTP is fighting for Sharia in Pakistan. Which is their legitimate rights.Recommend

  • Jay

    jeez Canada is doomed , people like you wil ruin it !Recommend

  • Arya

    Ask the Newspaper to post them without censoring.Recommend

  • Srinivasulu Mekala

    “Note: Never Forget Pakistan is a welfare society which works to create positive narratives ”
    This is the biggest joke I have ever read in my life.
    If this were true, why is the picture so murky, read your own newspapers.Recommend

  • Mohd Farhan

    baluchistan? have pakistan army used pellet guns against them??? then don`t compare it with this. RAW can support terrorism in pak`s province but if pak army (“allegedly”) supports freedom fighters against brutal and ILLEGAL indian rule, it is terrorism!! ???

    “Unfortunately, pellets ended up being not the non-lethal option the Indian Govt. had hoped” LMFAO. this is like “Unfortunately US did not know if atom bomb would work when they dropped it on Japan and thought it would not explode at all” Is this how ur media brain washes u people !!! LameRecommend

  • Laskero

    The reality distortion field is strong with the author here. Facebook is only removing posts glorifying terrorists.Recommend

  • liberal-lubna-fromLahore

    finally pakistani liberals whining and moaning about a real issue that actually EXISTS and matters to everyone, for a changeRecommend

  • Mohd Farhan

    and i just can`t read your post beyond “celebrating a man who took up the gun”… it is freedom fight damn it!! it is something that you do when you are oppressed, raped, killed… why won`t you just spare Kashmir and quit the occupation??? and stop messing with baluchistan.

    About Bangladesh, agreed that both sides (west and east) went too far, or west was worse.Recommend

  • Mohd Farhan

    Reason to Separate from pak???
    What if I decide to separete punjab from pakistan? We have every problem here that baluchis have in their province or may be less. But does it mean we should demand separation? Pakistanis are one nation. No need to hate each otherRecommend

  • wb

    You’re a brave genius sir. Because, only an extremely intellectually accomplished man can compare a nuclear bomb to a pellet gun.

    Sir, taking your lines, I’d say, a horsefly is just as dangerous as a Great White Shark.

    By the way, using pellet guns is the most violent method of crowd control. BUT, The most violent method of oppression is fundamentally dropping people from helicopters…because, you see sir, once a person is dropped from a helicopter, nature captures him, saving his life. Right?Recommend

  • Sony

    Dear Mr.Jibran You think all those who pelted stones are innocent? weilding gun and promoting others to take violence is fine with you? But its not for us.You think Indian army will sit back watching stone pellters? Obviously they will respond.

    Dear Express Tribune …these kind of articles promote hate.This is absolutely below standards of morality.If you cannot contribute towards peace of South Asia then at least don’t promote hate and violence.After all what we want is PEACE not WAR.We are watching war of words from either side of border.Please don’t promote violence through articles like this which will damage young minds with hate.

    I am not sure whether this will be published.Recommend

  • Shilpa

    Oh, you’ve used far greater than pellet guns in Baluchistan. I am sure you know full well. What did they use to take out Akbar Bugti, who was almost going to die anyway in a few years time? What are you using currently in areas you deem to be terrorism infested? I am sure you have 0% collateral damage there, correct.

    I am sure 0 people disappeared in Baluchistan and were subsequently discovered in mass graves. I am sure there were no human rights violations in Baluchistan. I’ve seen countless pictures shared by Baloch activists on Twitter and Facebook and none of the Kashmir events compare to the brutality of those. I am sure you are blind to them.

    Maybe you can ask the US and other western powers similar questions about how they thought cluster bombs would work. Israel has used terrible weapons in Palestine and so too has the US in Iraq and even continues to use in Pakistan in the form of drones, which kill innocents too. But of course your eyes will only be focused on Kashmir – never to your own rights abuses in Baluchistan or such brutalities carried out by fellow OIC countries like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, et all. I wonder why?

    Why no outrage over Chinese atrocities against the Muslim minority? Why no outrage against Turkish atrocities against PKK “freedom fighters?” Why oh why are you just selectively moralistic?Recommend

  • siesmann

    Dear Mullah ji should trump all these.There is much strife in the world due to this human.
    Pellets are bad, bullets worse.!!!Recommend

  • gp65

    The missing Balochis are found in their body bags showing signs of severe torture. Your Supreme Court is aware of it – why are you so unaware?Recommend

  • gp65

    If they kill civilians, they are terrorists.
    No freedom fighter anywhere – be it George Washington or Bhagat Singh kills civilians.Recommend

  • gp65

    Really? Your air-force has been carpet bombing FATA killing people who may have no links to terror and destroying the homes of those who may have fled the seen. Yet you complain about use of pellets against people that specifically came out in support of a leader of UN designated terror organization?
    Are you aware that Wani had killed 2 elected local body civilans? What was their fault? Are you aware that the police killed by these protestors were also Muslim? Do you not care about their lives?
    45 insurgents were killed in Kashmir over a period of 2 weeks and 250 killed I Turkey in one day. Where is the outrage for those killed in Turkey? Where is the outrage that tens of thousands of teachers, policemen, judges and army personnel have been dismissed from their jobs because they support Erdogan’s political opposition?Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    “baluchistan? have pakistan army used pellet guns against them???”

    Ha … ha … ha ……. Pak Army knows only how to cut the heads of bullet ridden corpses … :-) For Baluchistan please read more about its open wars with Pakistan: First in 1948 led by Prince Abdul Karm Khan; Second in 1958 by Nawab Nowroz Khan; Third in 1963-69 by Sher Mohammad Bijarani Marri; Fourth in 1973-77 by Nawab Khair Baksh Marri and Fifth (is long drawn gorilla warfare) which is going on since 2004 to till date in which Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti gave his Shahadat to Hamid Mir who was shot to near death …. :-)))Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    Ask him to start similar campaign against GoI for Ahmadi and Shia persecutions in Pakistan? Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    Beautiful.Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    Bro ….. Kashmir is Indian Territory. Any attack on J&K is attack on Indian Sovereignty. This is the precise reason of Indian forces killing over thousand NLI dogs in Kargil and the nation which sponsored them failed to acknowledge them as its citizens. Ha … ha ….ha …… the Pakistan as a nation lied before the world that it was not its Army and all its politician and generals admitted it over a time that it was Pakistan’s Army? OK …… I give you just two glaring examples – they attacked Indian Parliament, They hijack IC814 flight and killed passenger.Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    Even Baloch and Mohajir can also be included. How come they are Terrorists by same standards …. ???Recommend

  • Salim Alvi

    Freedom from what Kashmiriyat? Freedom from nativity, in search of fake abbu in distant desert dunes?Recommend

  • http://www.dawateislami.net Aay.K

    I don’t understand where are all so-called human rights organisations like united nations. When this type of issue comes on Muslims they all disappeared and take no action. Why this discriminatory behavior only with Muslims?Recommend

  • http://www.dawateislami.net Aay.K

    We all wants peace and after reading your comment, it seems you also want peace. So kindly tell to your govt. and intelligence agencies stop their influence in Baluchistan, then the whole world will see Peace full Baluchistan.Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    Fight …. ! What fight are you talking … Bro?
    (a) Is it freedom fight by Baluch? – First in 1948 led by Prince Abdul Karm Khan; Second in 1958 by Nawab Nowroz Khan; Third in 1963-69 by Sher Mohammad Bijarani Marri; Fourth in 1973-77 by Nawab Khair Baksh Marri or the Fifth which is going on since 2004 to till date in which Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti gave his Shahadat? Thousands of Baluch are maimed and GoP is unable to publish the facts … :-)
    (b) Is it freedom fight resulting in Turbat Killings and the uprising of Khan of Kalat Mir Suleiman Dawood?
    (c) Is it freedom fight of Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan in FATA and part of NWFP (now you call it as KPK)?
    (d) Is it freedom fight against which various Operations like ‘Operation Rah-e-haq’, ‘Tirah Valley clashes’, ‘Operation Zalzala’, ‘Battle of Bajaur’, ‘Operation Sherdil’, ‘Operation Black Thunderstrom’, ‘Blockade of South Waziristan’, ‘Operation Rah-e-Shahadat’, Operation Rah-e-Rast’ etc. are launched? or
    (e) the freedom fight of 1971 which dismembered you?
    (f) the freedom fights many areas around Durand Line and K-P, G-B, PHK which are even today being run by administration not as a part of Pakistan but as its suzerainty?

    Bro …. HUMAN RIGHTS ….. ! Why people like you are absolutely silent about killing of your own citizenry by tanks and warplanes in FATA, Pashto and Baloch areas? Maiming and crushing under boots of Mohajirs in Karachi? Deafening silence of the entire nation on the Protection of Pakistan Act, 2014 (a replica of AFSPA)?

    What is your take about HUMAN RIGHTS when your Army runs parallel Courts and judicial systems and even GoP banned terrorist organizations like JuD also runs Sharia Courts? Bro ….. FIGHT, if you have guts fight for activities of a Jungle and watch what Hushr the Jaanwar make of your HUMAN RIGHTS?Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    Read more about Baluchistan …. Sir and Indian Parliament debates of accession of various States in India? It is Khan of Kalat which offered merger of Baluchistan with India. It is Bachha Khan of NWFP who refused to be part of Pakistan and the Parliament after debate rejected their offer because the areas were not congruent to the territory of partitioned India.

    My more writing will be difficult for publication. It is Pakistan which is dragging India in Baluchistan again and again as it is unable to contain the uprising? Many here may not agree but Kashmir issue is given air by Pakistan just to see that they may not lose even illegally occupied area of PHK & GB … :-)Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    Ha … ha …. ha ……. what a Joke? The entire world has seen in 1971 that “Pakistan is a one nation” when the nation collectively thrown the “Two Nation Theory” to gutter and killed over 3 million Bengali Muslims? They had given you befitting reply about Pakistanis are one nation?Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    None of them is a world renowned personality ….. :-(Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    Good one …. Shias are not Muslims for Pak Saaf Wahabis … they are heretics … and what to talk about Shia (Jaffaria), Shia (Ismails) and Quadiani of valley …. :-(Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    Zina and Zina bil Zabr is not a crime in the Land of Pure ……. still they are more in Bachhabazi ….. ???Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    I sincerely feel that people carrying out such campaign must read “Rajtarangini” by Kalhan and “Rajtarangini II” written during Mughal Rule in Kashmir. Pakistan should include these books in their curricula to educate its new generation better about Kashmir.

    None of them is aware that Islam started in Kashmir in early 13th Century mainly by BulBul Shah (Syed Sharaf-ud-Din Abdur Rahman Suhrawardi). Impressed by BulBul Shah, King Rinchan Shah the ruler of Kashmir accepted Islam and came to be known as Sultan Saddrudin Shah. In 1377 – Sheikh Noor-u-din Noorani (Alamdar-e-Kashmir and known by Hindus as Nund Rishi) further propagated this beautiful religion (his tomb is known as Charar-e-Sharif) which was burned down in 1995. Read more about Rishi Mut and VaishnavMut and her foster mother a Yogini (female saint), Lal Ded (Lal Ded is known as Lal Ishwari among Hindus and Lal Arifa among Muslims) fed him with her own milk and declared him as her spiritual heir.
    Islamic rule began in Kashmir in 1339 AD with annexation by Sultan Shahmir who founded Shahmiri dynasty (popularly known as Sayyid Dynasty) in Kashmir. The real Islam in Kashmir is represented by Sheiks (Hindu descendants) like “Tantre,” “Shaikh,”, “Bat”, “Mantu,” “Ganai,” “Dar,” “Damar,” “Lon” Butts, Dar, Lone, Jat, Gujjar, Rajput, Sudhan and Khatri, Chaudhary etc. Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    Islam has two distinct parts in history. One is before Hijra … better known as Spiritual Islam and another is after Hijra …. known as Political Islam (more so the Geeta Ka Gyan) …. :-) The Land of Pure has adopted the Culture of the period of Jahilya and Islam of the period after Hijra and this combination has doomed them.Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    Sony …. dear. Only few in Pakistan come out in the open and others support the Nudity silently. The most of Danishwar Pakistani keep themselves away and watch Tamasha silently.Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    Read more about Baluchistan and in 1947 Indian Parliament’s refusal to Khan of Kalat’s offer to go with India?Recommend

  • Mohd Farhan

    u think pak army tortures them? why would it do so? baluchis are pakistanis as much as others.Recommend

  • Mohd Farhan

    My point was to not twist the reality, which you are doing again!
    The point is simple Indians are blinding Kashmir’s when they talk about freedom which is their right. isnt it? dont u have right to live in freedom? so why cant they have it?? because they are not hindus ,right??Recommend

  • Mohd Farhan

    Bugti was killed because of order from uncle sam, who ruined our peace and instead of our attempt to bring peace to region, US exploited us and is the number one reason of terror in the world.

    Dont use this as defense mechanism to divert ur attention from guilt that you have of killing innocent kashmiris. u cant u let them go? y cooking up stories or excuses to divert from reality.

    we are no angels, I know but we are trapped by so called fight against terror and this is war inflicted on us by United States : the mother of terrorismRecommend

  • wb

    Which Kashmiris? Shia Kashmiris? Sufi Kashmiris? Hindu Kashmiris? Christian Kashmiris? Sikh Kasshmiris? Buddhist Kashmiris? Or Wahabi/Salafi/Sunni extremist Kashmiris?Recommend

  • Shilpa

    Oh, I am sure you can’t. But let me ask you this. If a Balochi took up the gun and did the very exact same thing that Burhan Wani did and your Army killed him, would you be calling him a freedom fighter?

    The fact is in any society if a person takes up the gun and openly declares his intentions for using the weapon and recruits others brainwashing them and getting them killed too, then that person ceases to have any moral authority or can demand any sympathy.

    You can ask Saudi Arabia or China or Turkey or US or UK or your own Army how they would deal with such a person who takes up arms and intends to kill.

    What occupation? The land you have forcibly occupied and are sitting on is (by that definition) occupied too. Nobody in India considers Kashmir “occupied” land. It’s not like the Americans in Afghanistan. The American civilians know they are foreign and they can’t tolerate any military losses there – coz it’s not their war and not their land.

    No Indian thinks that way. For every Indian civilian Kashmir has always been part of India – it’s not foreign. And so no Indian parent who has their son or daughter in the Indian Army questions why their sons/daughters are there. They know it’s our land and therefore no cost is too high, either militarily or economically. Pakistanis just don’t understand that, do they?

    The Indian Army doesn’t want to be in Kashmir and it won’t be the day Pakistanis stop sending in terrorists and arms and encourages secessionist forces there (as in the likes of SAS Geelani and his minions). This guy openly is anti-India and yet receives protection from the Indian Govt. This kind of guy won’t survive in Saudi Arabia or Turkey or Pakistan. That’s Indian democracy for you.

    You did the very same thing in Punjab and look at Punjab now. Do Punjabis hate India now. You know the answer. I look forward to the day we make Kashmir like how Punjab is now.Recommend

  • SamSal

    I know that. But we can’t pick and choose on who is a terrorist and who is a freedom fighter depending on our likes and dislikes.Recommend

  • SamSal

    Why would you deny that?Recommend

  • wb

    You see, when I’m teaching calculus, if a student comes to me and asks me about Long Division, I’d slap across his face and send him to 4th grade.

    Sir, please don’t ask questions to waste time and use your obscurantism. We all know why Pak army is killing Balochis, just like we know why Pak army killed Bengalis or Mohajirs or Sindhis or Pashtoons.

    Did you know that Pak army even committed a genocide of Palestinians?!!!!!!!!! Hmmm, under Brig. Zia Ul Haq.

    Can you imagine a Palestinian genocide by Pak army along with Jordanian army under the command of the great Zia?!!!

    Yet, it happened. Kindly use Sheikh Google.Recommend

  • wb

    Do you know what happened in 1971? That must make you proud as it suits your tradition!Recommend

  • Naila

    Highly impressive way to wake up conscience ,keep up good work @Jibran Nasir.👍Recommend

  • gp65

    It is not a question of what I , as an Indian think. Please review court proceedings of missing Baloch in your country.Recommend

  • Aamir – Toronto

    @ Jay……I’m glad that we don’t have moron like you in Canada…….I can feel your pain because I know the Indian people don’t like when we show their true face to the world…..rub burnol if you can find one in Hindu-Stan (the world cesspool)Recommend

  • Lakhkar Khan

    The only difference is, the plight of Ahamadi, shia, Balooch and other minorities in Pakistan is the work of Indian sponsored terrorists compared to Kashmiris being brutally murdered by Indian security forces. There is a clear difference. Similarly, like the riots in Gujrat insight by the Indian elected officials which caused the massacre or Muslim minority. That Indian official who is directly responsible for Muslim massacre is currently the Indian Prime Minister.

    Show me ONE evidence of Pakistani government supporting violence against Pakistani any minority? We are waiting……Recommend

  • Lakhkar Khan

    Your terrorist is someone else freedom fighter. You said that we do not support terrorism or terrorist sympathizers who oppress free speech.

    Is that why majority of you radical Hindus voted for Modi? Modi is by definition a radical terrorist. Can you explain why was Modi BANNED traveling to many Western countries including the United States if he is not a radical terrorist?Recommend

  • wb

    Modi is not a terrorist. Nobody has declared him a terrorist except for delusional Pakistanis.

    Modi was banned from traveling to western countries simply because they did not understand Gujarat Riots were started by Muslims.

    Once the West understood that the blood of Gujarat Muslim victims were on the hands of those Muslims who were convicted of Godhra train burning, the West removed the ban.Recommend

  • Sane

    No Balochi is killed in Balochistan. They were all Indian terrorist. Their top leader Kubhosan of Indian Navy has also been arrested.Recommend

  • Mohd Farhan

    Pak Army would have done that under Zia and I`m not saying they are angels. But what is the point of all this? why are u drifting away from topic? are u trying to justify brutality on kashmiris by saying that pak army does this and that????Recommend

  • Mohd Farhan

    “The kashmiris” does not matter if there are christians or muslims among them. what kind of question this is??Recommend

  • Mohd Farhan

    1971 was definitely our mistake. again, “kashmiris are being brutally killed for asking for freedom”. Y???Recommend

  • Mohd Farhan

    Zia was eccentric. But what has this to do with Kashmir? Are you saying that if Zia can support militarization of certain terrorist groups, then india can also kill kashmiris? how do these two co-relate??? isnt it sillyRecommend

  • Mohd Farhan

    there is a diff between terrorist and freedom fighter. are people of azad kashmir subjected to tyranny?? (unlike occupied kashmir)…
    and also, take a look at world map and the work “Occupied kashmir” before thinking kashmir as part of india. it was never meant to be so. it is muslim majority and belongs to pak (theory on which both nations were created)..

    (Thank God we saved at least half of kashmir from curse of india. atleast they live in peace now. what do u think shilpa)Recommend

  • wb

    What are you waiting for? Zia’s Hudood ordinance is because of India? Bhutto’s laws against Ahmadis are because of India?

    Well, then you should consider that all of your Generals and PMs are Indian slaves.

    You know what, in a way, they’re Indian slaves. Because, knowingly or unknowingly, they end up doing things that weaken Pakistan.Recommend

  • wb

    Our army acts in self defenseRecommend

  • wb

    It matters very much.

    Which Kashmiris? Because Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Shia, Sufi Muslims are with India. They neither partake in terrorism, nor are they separatists.

    So, again, which Kashmirirs? It’s clear that you’re afraid to answer lest it will expose your religious bigotry.Recommend

  • wb

    Again, which Kashmiris?Recommend

  • wb

    LMFAO, order from uncle Sam? Where are you getting these lies from? Why are you cooking up these stories?

    Actually, Muslims are the number one reason for terror in the world for the last 1400 years.

    Stone throwers are not innocent. They’re terror-sympathizers, like you are.

    War on terror was your own KARMA. Now eat it. Stop blaming USA for your stupidity.

    Mother of terrorism : Muslims.Recommend

  • Sane

    No Balochi took gun and wants freedom. They were all Indian terrorists in the garb of Balochis. Mostly have been killed or ran away to India. Specially when their Master Mind Kulbhoshan arrested.Recommend

  • Sane

    Well, Indians always talk without logic or rationale. They talk and write just for nothing, but to waste time and divert the discussion.Recommend

  • Sane

    LONG LIVE KASHMIR. Indian army is failing badly and the state of India is also failing. Kashmir is destined to be free from India.Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha
  • FAD

    Lol you make such insane comments!
    Do you have any evidence that all people killed were Indian terrorist?Recommend

  • DAFT

    Says the guys who has been posting nonsense on every blog that no Balochis are being killed, there are no Balochi protestors, …
    Lmao same can be said for KashmirRecommend

  • DAFT

    The “Kashmiris” you want freedom for, are only radical muslims who threatened, killed and savaged non-muslims and drove them out of their land and are now not ready to mix up with other religions.Recommend

  • DAFT

    lol
    who’s twisting the facts now?
    Bugti was killed because of U.S? hahahahaha
    And “peaceful kashmiris”?
    The peaceful Kashmiris are at their home, working or going to school
    Not throwing stones or firing at officials.
    What do you expect? that these people will start throwing stones and shooting our soldiers and the soldiers sit there till they die??
    Just yesterday there was a news that 4 people died in gun shooting
    Two soldiers and two terrorists(aka so called militants)Recommend

  • DAFT

    Just hear the speech of your beloved Hafeez Saed
    How he is in contact with Kashmiri terrorists and how he is supporting them and how he threatens to attack India. He is doing that so openly!
    I hope your wait is over!!Recommend

  • Daft

    Why doesn’t your logic apply to Kashmir and India then?Recommend

  • jasperet

    Yeah please do
    We want to see do you guys even recognize this issue any more?Recommend