Under the knife: The ethics of anatomy

Published: December 26, 2010
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Are medical schools treating human bodies as disposable text books?

I’ve been told the first two years of medical college are the hardest because of anatomy. The subject reminds me of spiders. When a cluster of spider eggs begins to hatch, that which was a single entity turns into a swarm of scurrying, formidable creatures.

It becomes General Anatomy, Histology, Embryology, Cytology and the black widow queen herself, Gross Anatomy. Most students have similar complaints.

They are expected to memorize so many books that it becomes a Herculean task. The ones that try to understand concepts from Keith . Moore find they can’t pass tests without memorizing Chaurasia. The bright faces of first year students who were expecting to be inspired start appearing weary not far into the course. The ones that have spent their lives memorizing cruise along. Omar Haque, an undergraduate at Johns Hopkins says:

“Usually the best MD’s are not the most book smart. Memorization is only half the battle; the other half consists of bedside manners and execution.”

Cutting your way to knowledge

We’re told that some will cry and some will faint on the first day. Imran Ali Malik, who studied medicine in Islamabad (and whose band The Kominas did the music for Slackistan) says the one girl in his class who passed out at the first sight of a cadaver went on to top for the rest of the duration of medical school.

The first body my class ever dissected was of a man who had been riddled with bullets. I couldn’t look at him without wondering why his body hadn’t been claimed, what his job had been, why someone had shot him so many times – or why he was overweight. “Who cooked him all those meals, a wife? He couldn’t have made it through infancy without someone caring for him. Where was that person now?” I thought.

Sana Saleem, final year student at Baqai Medical University, activist and blogger, doesn’t look back fondly on dissection. She says:

“I actually pushed my way in but the minute I saw that body, I handed over the scalpel and rushed out. Never again. I find dissection quite unnecessary; the way these bodies are treated and stored is unethical too”

*Seher, who does not wish to disclose her real name or location, believes dissection can be very beneficial if organized well, but has been horrified at what she has seen. “Bodies were left out in the open all year, regardless of the temperature. In the heat, fat would be dripping off the bodies, they would develop fungus and maggots, but they’d just be doused with more chemicals. In spite of all this“, she says, “we were discouraged from wearing gloves or masks.”

When she asked an attendant to issue bones from the college lab, *Seher was told the only way was to arrange for someone to ‘get them’ from a cemetery. “Apparently, there have been nerds so hell bent on scoring high grades that they were willing to pay grave robbers to do it,” reveals a disgusted *Seher.

Making amends to the mistreated

I once skipped class with a friend to give a man (or pieces of him) the only burial he’ll ever have. Faizah, a doctor who graduated from Qatar says it’s a tradition in her college to hold a memorial for these souls at the end of each year.

Other students don’t need any ‘getting used to it’. The students who take the liberty of reserving seats in the front row for all eternity beam the first time they’re told to start cutting. They’re the ones who end up doing most of the dissecting for two years. This frustrates professors who want to see everyone take a turn, but these students don’t find it easy to let go of the scalpel. If you’ve ever walked into a hospital with a minor complaint and have been surprised to hear the doctor insist on operating, it’s because some have been scalpel-happy from day one

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Amna Mela

A student at Allama Iqbal Medical College whose interests include literature, journalism, pop culture, politics, fashion, human rights, food and travel.

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • USL

    Wait till you see what happens to living people in our hospitals in your fourth and final year.Recommend

  • Dr. Amyn Malik

    I am really at a loss to see what point you are trying to make here.

    Are you saying dissections should not be part of the curriculum? or are you saying that the bodies that are brought for dissections should be treated with more respect and every medical student should I try to find out why this body was not claimed? or is your point that some medical students just want to learn more than others (or at least seen to be trying) and would do anything to get grades?

    It simply maybe that we never had to do dissections as part of our curriculum and rigorous memorization of anatomy was never deemed necessary at my med college that I am not getting your point.

    A good author usually leads a reader from the introduction to the body of text and then to the conclusion he wants them to reach. I think you just forgot to conclude here.Recommend

  • Zeeshan Ummaid Ali

    Ethics and Deontology, this is the first boring chapter I read before i started my clinicals. My teachers were insisting on reading that as it included behavior, manners and rights of a patient and duties of a doctor. Everyone found it really boring as it had not any pathology, or disease state, or some malformation.
    These bodies should be treated well and with respect. Im studying MD in Ukraine and we have very good exposure to cadavers and bones. Right now due to certain European rules the bones usually used and provided to students are not real bones yet exact copy of the real bone, even having the same color, and its really difficult to tell that its not real unless you touch it. You will feel the material its made up of.
    The dead bodies and parts are always dipped in formaline and I know this teacher who had this cadaver for more than 18 years. It looks still so good as if it was made months ago. I dont know who they are and how they got there. Students are told several times not to pull any artery, vein or nerve in the already dissected cadavers.
    There are people who are appointed by the anatomy department who take care of these cadavers and if something happens to them, they are held responsible. Several times (>20) teachers have scolded us for pulling or breaking some artery or nerve (fragile ones). So students are really cautious about their every next move they make while studying on the cadaver. You cannot have that cadaver or move it around even, it will always be covered with a sheet of cloth. You have to study at that same hall or classroom.
    Only bones were allowed to be taken from a special place in replacement of our student card and should be returned before the university hours end.
    You have to be a good student and show yourself being interested in anatomy to dissect a new cadaver. The teacher will advise you what to dissect and what to reveal. It will be done usually on weekends or after class.
    I believe that its the duty of the teachers and professors to make students understand that the person we are dissecting is just like us and we should respect him or her as a human being. As for the people who are taking care of these cadavers, because of their negligence if they are left to rot, they should seriously be dealt with and students should take pictures and send it to the authorities.
    I remember how i used to draw veins and arteries on my own body and write the names of muscles, because they were so many to remember back then. Simply if we give everyone they deserved respect, world would be a better place.Recommend

  • ali

    What is your point: that there is too much memorization required for med school, that dissection is inhumane, that dissection is fine but bodies should be treated better, and you end with something to the effect of some students love dissection too much. Recommend

  • Mayhem

    Your blog seems jumbled up between complaints of medical students and the right way of treating dead bodies. I agree with some points you made here, but disagree with others.

    Whether dissection is necessary or not, you simply can’t treat a dead body like a living human no matter how hard you try. though I do wish they felt a little more compassion for the person by giving him/her a proper burial and gave him more respect by refraining from comments like ‘Ye kitni gandi body hai. Kuch pata nai chal raha.’ or ‘Kitni ajeeb si bone hai. Pata nai kis bande ki hogi.
    Though I sometimes found myself making such remarks too but stopped as soon as I realized how disrespectful it was of me.Recommend

  • http://amnamela.wordpress.com/ Amna Mela

    @Zeeshan
    “Simply if we give everyone the respect they deserve, world would be a better place.”

    True.Recommend

  • Rajat

    Ah.. I see that the concept of BDC se ratta mar le, has permeated Pakistan too.Recommend

  • http://amnamela.wordpress.com/ Amna Mela

    @Rajat- It’s not new. It’s been BD for ages now. It has been quite helpful, but wish we could stick to the more conceptual books. Other than BD, I also have some other books from India which are pretty great. Recommend

  • faraz

    Perhaps you havent heard of that horrifying incident that occurred at your college. On the first day to medical college, a girl found her dead father on the dissection table; her dad was a drug addict who had gone missing. Recommend

  • faraz

    @Rajat

    BD is the ultimate anatomy book. It has been here for decades. I think the professors also follow that book; all exam questions come from BD. Recommend

  • http://amnamela.wordpress.com/ Amna Mela

    @faraz I do believe it’s an urban legend, told in some form or another at every college. Plenty more of those stories out there, always a different version no matter who you speak to. I’d take them with a grain of salt. True about BD though. To each his own.Recommend

  • http://bakedsunshine.wordpress.com/ Shumaila

    Meh. We don’t do a lot of dissecting at our university, and bones and cadavers are treated with respect the way they should be. But memorials and burials and all that seem a bit too much. If you ponder about the person you’re dissecting or pray for his soul, its your choice. On the whole, I think that’s how it should be. Dissection serves a limited function anyway.

    As far as scalpel-happy people are concerned, what, are you jealous of the good surgeons? :P Recommend

  • http://amnamela.wordpress.com/ Amna Mela

    @shumaila Haha no, those people don’t necessarily make the best surgeons. As far as I know, a good surgeon has to know when and when NOT to operate, or so said Pakistan’s best cardiologists at last week’s conference on Cardiology at Allama Iqbal Medical College. Good doctors are the ones that treat their patients keeping in mind how they would want their own family members to be treated in the hands of someone else.Recommend

  • a. gul

    yes i sense some resentment about students who can cruise along due to their skills for memorizing, and those who are actually ambitious enough to learn from the dissections (disgusting as they may be) :PRecommend

  • Zeeshan Ummaid Ali

    @Amna Mela:
    I read once about some girl kicked a kitty, that was your post i guess… it still gives me thrills everytime i think about it…

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    http://www.facebook.com/aajtv#!/pages/Medical-Knowledge-Sharing/113725662001836

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    Seriously, this page contains questions from USMLE, PMDC and MCI exams. Very helpful for foreign medical graduates but generally good for revision for any medical student or graduate. Join or simply “Like” and participate.
    Questions and answers are posted everyday!

    takecare fellas… Recommend

  • http://www.LiaquatAli.com Liaquat Ali

    There is no money for the doctors to teach good eating and general living habits to their clients. That’s why doctors’ clients are called “patients.”

    The medical industry–with its sugar-daddy the pharmaceutical mafia–is based on gross disrespect for the human beings. In 4-5 years of medical schooling these doctors don’t learn about nutrition for more than a few hours. The range is 0-70 hours and the average is 24 hours. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430660/

    The result is unnecessary focus on after-the-fact symptoms to be treated with drugs and surgery that each comes with side effects. There are more drugs to treat the side effects and the cycles goes on.

    A drug of today is future revenue stream for the manufacturer for it knows the declared and no-so-declared side effects of the drug. Most doctors work as drugs+tests prescription machines.Recommend

  • Abdul Ahad Khan

    hmmmm… I’m surprised at the reactions u quoted…. Our Class couldn’t wait to hold the scalpel on the first day and dissect the poor souls! I think a couple even made videos of it! :pRecommend

  • Rajat

    Amna, i couldn’t agree with you more. Moreover, the whole point of being overly scalpel happy on cadavers may make you a good forensic scientist, not a good surgeon. Many experienced (on cadavers) have the same first time blues on a live patient (even if they are not performing the operation!!)Recommend

  • Manzoor chandio

    Shaheed Benazir Bhutto University of health Sciences, Lyari will be one of the best medical schools in the world. PPP’s gift to the people of Lyari for their sacrifices for democracy, 50% seats will be reserved for them.Recommend

  • http://grsalam.wordpress.com Ghausia

    Note to self; Reading about cadavers after having breakfast, massively bad idea. Bleeeurgh.Recommend

  • Usman

    I studied at a private medical university in Karachi. We were never introduced to dissection. All we did for anatomy was to study from Keith L.Moore or Gray’s Anatomy for students. We had tutorials from our faculty in which we were taught anatomy from models and there were a few specimens of different body parts as well.

    Overall I think our knowledge of anatomy is pretty good. I don’t think that dissection is really necessary.

    But I dont’t understand what you are trying to say here.Recommend

  • http://islamabad Maryam

    i am surprised at your reaction as well.
    the med students i know were excited about holding the scalpal plus i believe practice makes a man perfect , so u do actually need to practice it.

    i remember a friend of mine got a set of bones with fungus on it, and the kind of med student she was….she spent considerable time washing them and then using for study purpose. i believe med students have to have this passion for saving lives….otherwise they can never be good.
    fainting and thinking about studying anatomy frm book rather than practicing is not going to serve the purpose. i mean if u r not ready to cut a dead body…how on earth are u going to operate on people who r actually breathing… ???

    u need to love cutting, using scalpal, this sud giv u adrenline rushhh..Recommend

  • http://bakedsunshine.wordpress.com/ Shumaila

    @ Amna – cardiologists Would say that na, they’re not surgeons, they can’t really make that decision about medicine vs surgery in all honesty anyway.Recommend

  • http://amnamela.wordpress.com/ Amna Mela

    Ummmm cardiologists are heart surgeons. :S did you say you were in medical school?Recommend

  • Dr. Amyn Malik

    @ Amna: cardiologists and cardiothoracic surgeons are 2 different things. I thought you were a medical student?Recommend

  • zara

    I dont agree with the memorization bit. just like everything in life you make your own choices. most people rattafy charasia because they dont want to spend more time on grey’s or feel atlases like netter which help you to retain visually what you have read are pointless. in the long run chaurassia is ratta, the latter understanding. the choice is yours.

    I also think the grossing out is an exaggeration. we were a batch of 120 and I dont remember even one girl fainting or running out. level of enthusiasm varied but fainters, no!

    holding a memorial is a nice touch though….Recommend

  • http://amnamela.wordpress.com/ Amna Mela

    @ Dr. Amyn
    It seems that your feelings are still very hurt because I didn’t agree with your last blog post.Recommend

  • http://bakedsunshine.wordpress.com/ Shumaila

    @ Amna, yes I’m in medical school, and since I’m doing an elective in cardiothoracic surgery at the moment I think I know what I’m talking about :PRecommend

  • http://amnamela.wordpress.com/ Amna Mela

    @Dr. Amyn
    It seems that you took it very personally when I disagreed with your last blog post.Recommend

  • http://amnamela.wordpress.com/ Amna Mela

    @Shumaila I recently attended a conference on Cardiology, I think the doctors who referred to themselves as cardiologists while talking about their most difficult surgery cases also knew what they were talking about. Recommend

  • Dr. Amyn Malik

    @ Amna

    Nopes…its your prerogative to agree with me or not :). I was just giving feedback on your blog that might help you write better in the future.

    But there is a very big difference between cardiology and cardiothoracic surgery that even lay people know about. Recommend

  • Sahar

    this blog post perfectly describes the condition of these cadavers.they are mistreated and disrespected.
    I hate dissection and I do anything in my power to avoid it.Thanks to some extremely dedicated students of my class who dissect wholeheartedly Ive been lucky. :PRecommend

  • Zeeshan Ummaid Ali

    Girls girls girls… hold some white flags would ya?
    Hold mine
    Get some ovaltine and sip it while reading what is the most common cause of pyelonephritis, what is pediculosis and what is a stye? what are pessaries and whats childs pugh score used for…? If you know this thats good, teach others. If you dont join my page:

    http://www.facebook.com/aajtv#!/pages/Medical-Knowledge-Sharing/113725662001836

    All of us will be very good doctors. But there will be no point in our lives, nomatter how senior we get, that we will know everything… So keep on absorbing as much as you can, because clinics are close and you have to start applying all your theory in practice…
    Plus you have to work as a group so you have to respect each other and have confidence in each other as well. Recommend

  • http://amnamela.wordpress.com/ Amna Mela

    @Amyn
    It’s quite understandable and you wouldn’t be the first or the last to take a petty issue and bring it to the comments section of my blog. There’s a new person for every post haha.

    thanks sahar! scalpel-happy students are probably a blessing as well as a curse. oh well, take the good with the bad. :)Recommend

  • Dr. Amyn Malik

    Seems to me you cannot take criticism of your blog or your comment post. Well there are dozens of writers like that for every single writer who can. So be it.Recommend

  • http://bakedsunshine.wordpress.com/ Shumaila

    @ Amna – maybe they referred to themselves as cardiologists, but that was a pretty silly thing to do. The whole damn speciality and training is different. Look it up if you don’t believe me!Recommend

  • http://bakedsunshine.wordpress.com/ Shumaila

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiology

    Namely the line – “Cardiologists should not be confused with cardiac surgeons, cardiothoracic and cardiovascular, who are surgeons who perform cardiac surgery via sternotomy – open operative procedures on the heart and great vessels.”
    Recommend

  • http://amnamela.wordpress.com/ Amna Mela

    @Shumaila- Maafi, maafi, I always forget that med students have a tendency to be very obstinate when someone disagrees with them. Maybe that’s why I avoid so many of them. Now can we please get back on topic? Recommend

  • Hakeem ullah leghari Zai.

    You must be confusing interventional cardiologists with CT surgeons. Btw, Interventional cardiology has nearly wiped out CTS from the US so much so that their residency spots go unfilled nowadays.Recommend

  • Lelomaye

    One, it’s a horrible, horrible blog. It seems like you are just rambling for the sake of it.
    Two, you really should check the difference between a cardiologist and a cardio-thoracic surgeon like Shumaila and Amyn pointed out. Recommend

  • http://amnamela.wordpress.com/ Amna Mela

    Oh, how I wish anonymous commentators had the guts to use their real names. Now THAT would be fun. Recommend

  • faraz

    @Shumaila
    You attend cardiothoracic surgery wards! thats amazing. Here at AIMC, students only attend wards for medicine, surgery, eye and ent. I dont even know whether there is a department of cardiology/cardiac surgery at Jinnah hospital. The main focus here is on rote learning. Recommend

  • http://bakedsunshine.wordpress.com/ Shumaila

    @ faraz. Haha, I feel special now, thanks. cardiothoracic surgery isn’t a part of our curriculum (obviously, and definitely not in third year) but we get specific time here to do electives in the rotation of our choice and that’s what I picked. I’m loving it! :D

    And rote learning is the focus in all medical schools yaar. And its important too, but it needs to be coupled by practical demonstrations and clinical experience too.Recommend

  • http://www.LiaquatAli.com Liaquat Ali

    The medical industry needs to respect human beings from day one of their mis-education of the young minds. There is no need to dissect anything unless you want to specialize in surgery. And now even the surgery students can work on artificial cadavers.Recommend

  • Kublai Khan Zai.

    Once valve replacement by minimal invasive techniques becomes the vogue, the final nail into the coffin of CT Surgery would be hammered by interventional cardiology.Recommend

  • Kublai Khan Zai.

    Shumaila: Actually its the LHC done by interventional cardiologists that decides weather to do stenting with BMS/DES or go for CABG.Recommend

  • http://amnamela.wordpress.com/ Amna Mela

    @Liaqat Ali ‘The medical industry needs to respect human beings from day one’
    My thoughts exactly. This post was just me sharing my experiences with the subject of Anatomy, and shedding some light on those of others. Unfortunately there ARE medical students around the world who think ‘So? What’s your point’ when someone tries to talk to them about ethics. My point is that if I was a poor person who was killed and no one identified my body, I’d want the students who tear me apart to atleast remember that I too was once a living, breathing person. As a corpse, I wouldn’t consider that ‘over the top’. Even in death, I’d be thankful.

    And as a patient, I’d want a doctor who respects life even after it leaves the body. That’s my point, and it’s not too difficult with people with an ounce of empathy to understand. Recommend

  • http://amnamela.wordpress.com/ Amna Mela

    it’s not too difficult *for people with an ounce of empathy to understand.Recommend

  • Rimla

    @ Anum Mela
    First the puppy article and now the burial of pieces of a cadaver. You have a very soft heart ! :DRecommend

  • http://amnamela.wordpress.com/ Amna Mela

    Rimla, it’s not called having a ‘soft’ heart, it’s called having empathy. It’s understanding that these people did not have any control over their economic status. We have no control the homes we are born into either. We could have just as easily been born as anonymous, left for dead with no one to look for us, ending up on a slab to be picked apart by students who couldn’t care less who we were or why we ended up there. Lack of empathy is the root of many social evils, it’s not a weakness; it’s a strength which we are lacking as a nation. Recommend

  • vague twenty eight

    @Amna Mela:
    Hi Dr. Mela hope your good and things are good with you too,

    “As far as I know, a good surgeon has to know when and when NOT to operate” this is so very true, quoting your line in a reply to some miss Shumiala, just have a peep thorough this when you get time please,

    http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/author/356/amna-khalid/

    Thanks,

    Warm Regards.Recommend

  • http://www.facebook.com/ahmadmalik Ahmad Malik

    Girl, you live in a world of fluttering butterflies where the most important things you seem to talk about are little puppies and cadavers. Being a medical student, you should know better. It’s good to feel bad for the maltreatment of cadavers but it’s not that big an issue that you’d start cursing the entire system for it.
    I’ve been through this all and trust me, the puppy and the cadavers won’t be on your mind when you have the first injection in your hand with a dying patient looking up to you.Recommend

  • http://www.facebook.com/ahmadmalik Ahmad Malik

    Oh and by the way, the bodies are buried after dissection with a proper funeral and Islamic traditions in Allama Iqbal Medical College. Ask Dr Sonia if you please. :)Recommend

  • http://amnamela.wordpress.com/ Amna Mela

    @Ahmad, how unfortunate that as a medical student, you have no empathy for either animal life nor human life, and wish to insult those who do. My prayers are with your future patients.

    @vague twenty eight Thank you! I’m honored that you’re quoting me. :)Recommend

  • vague twenty eight

    @Amna Mela:
    Mame the pleasure is all mine, i hope app ne article bhi parha ho ga ? Thanks. http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/author/356/amna-khalid/Recommend

  • Zeeshan Ummaid Ali

    @everyone
    Please friends dont be so bitter. Everyone has an equal right to criticize. This article is about the writers personal understanding of the issue. It does not impose anything on anyone. The writer should be ready to face negative comments from people as no two people think alike.
    Downgrading each other with such remarks only show how bitter you can be at times of failure. Please get a hold on yourselves.Recommend

  • http://www.facebook.com/ahmadmalik Ahmad Malik

    You got me wrong. I am not insulting you, I’m just showing you how you are overreacting.
    Sure, I respect cadavers and animals. Point being, those cadavers are there for a purpose- to help us save dying people. If those get infested with maggots, that’s not a reason to let the ones on the brink of death to be hosts to maggots too. In my two years of being in the DH, I never saw anything that I’d regard disrespectful to the cadavers (except for the students making fun of them but there’s no stopping that). The only thing I was concerned about was whether they are buried after a Janaza and that was confirmed by Dr Sonia.
    As for the puppy, again I feel terrible for the poor thing and if I were in your place, I would’ve done the same thing or may be been a bit more harsh to the one who hit it. I once brought home an injured kitten, cleaned it’s wounds, fed it and what not. So easy there on judging me by just a comment or two.
    Again, my point- don’t make mountains out of molehills.Recommend

  • http://www.facebook.com/ahmadmalik Ahmad Malik

    Seeing that you haven’t replied yet, I’d like to take this opportunity to dissect your last comment.
    You accused me of having no empathy for animal or human life. Let’s ignore the animal part for a second and concentrate on the human part since we’re not vets.
    My comment orbited the fact that you’re a medical student and ended with how human life is more important than animal life or err “cadaver life“.
    The ironic part is, that being a medical student, you showed no empathy for human life; rather worried about animals and cadavers.
    I don’t intend to demean you, but medicine doesn’t only show on your result card, it should show in you attitude. If maggots are what you’re worried about, then you’re standing by the side of the wrong bed missy (unless of course you’re cleaning a necrotic wound).
    Oh and thanks for your prayers. :)

    @Zeeshan:
    I’m not being bitter if I fall in your “everyone”. This is a healthy discussion. I made a healthy comment. Ok it might have had a little flu but the reply was cancerous, no? :)Recommend

  • http://saidcanblog.blogspot.com unseen-eccentric

    A year ago I was cleaning out my room after passing final year of mbbs, and guess what i found under my bed?! that’s right, some old man’s bones from first year. Ahh, they had been under my bed all this time! good old anatomy days. Did I give them the burial they deserved? even If I don’t, they’re not going to fly off into outer space, to earth they shall return. I passed them on to someone who could study them (aka passing on knowledge). You need to dig deeper and perhaps spend a little more time learning the history of medicine and especially surgery, take for example the way they practised and learned surgery starting in University of Edinborough in the 1500s, any idea where they’d find bodies to dissect and learn? Burke & Hare are also directly linked to providing “bodies” for the practise of surgery. the business of digging fresh graves and delivering bodies to surgeons/barbers at the time was all common practice and today that practice forms the very core of YOUR learning. Advances in surgery wouldn’t be possible with ‘proper’ burial of the deceased. Burying bones after studying them is an outlandish act of hypocrisy – rightfully, they should have been passed on to another medical student. After I die, I plan to donate all my organs to someone who can gain any health or knowledge from it. After all, what am I going to do with my own dead body sob…. So inhuman I know, but there must be a thousand better things I’ll be looking forward to after dying (i.e awaiting the hoors) than worrying about what will become of my dead carcass.

    You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everyone else, and we are all part of the same compost pile. ~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 17

    PS: Cardiologists are NOT surgeons! geez…Recommend

  • Rehman

    so here is a medical student writing articles about medicine and ethics but she does not know that a cardiologist is not a surgeon? Yet she blames those who are hard working for being “scalpel-happy” ? Am I missing something here? The last paragraph shows your immaturity and knowledge, or the lack there of, in this field. How long have you been in medschool for? 1 year? The competition among medical students in good schools and doctors in training programs is not a big secret, and is important to distinguish the cream of the crop. To say that a doctor prefers surgery for a minor complaint is directly because they were “scalpel happy” in medical school is the most absurd observation anyone could make. You are saying that the most competitive and hard working students are not good doctors and we should watch out for them when visiting a hospital? Please, give yourself a break and don’t exhaust your mind beyond its limitations, try reading this ridiculous article again after you actually become a doctor.

    I thought I was on a newspaper website, but after reading this I’m wondering if I’m on a tabloid. This hogwash is inconsistent with a newspaper. A fair reflection of why most people believe Pakistani media has lost its intellect. There’s an obvious need for better vigilance on what is being promoted and fed to the public here. This article would be better suited as a chapter in the authors autobiography. But then again, in the wise words of Fran ‘your life story would not make a good book – don’t even try it’. Good luck – drastic improvement needed!

    Rehman Ahmad
    Resident Int. Med
    Lennox Hill Hospital, NYRecommend

  • Reader

    Dear. blogger,

    I read your article and I am confused with your point. I am not sure whether your are repulsed by the ethics involved when dealing with the deceased or you do not agree with the curriculum taught in medical school Furthermore, your conclusion was empty, meaning there i did not figure what, and how you suggest if any, changes you wish to see in medical school.

    Please tie your articles with a clear symmetry, so we better understand your point.
    Other wise, you are a great writer with great potential. Keep you the brilliant work and i sincerely hope i did not offend you in anyway. If i did, i apologize.

    Regards,
    New reader.Recommend

  • Reader

    Dear viewers,

    I too agree, that this article is a little immature for its breed. However, we should not embark on a mission to judge the author.

    Quote “Please, give yourself a break and don’t exhaust your mind beyond its limitations, try reading this ridiculous article again after you actually become a doctor.”

    I mean we should judge the article but not the author, I feel we are way to focus on the latter. Please provide useful pointers rather then discouragement and make her understand our stance. This will be beneficial for all.

    Regards,
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