This Saudi therapist teaches husbands how to beat their wives

Published: April 27, 2016
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It is perplexing that as a therapist, this man hasn’t once actually advised the couple to discuss their grievances in a constructive and civilised manner. PHOTO: TWITTER.COM/KhaledAlSaqaby

It is perplexing that as a therapist, this man hasn’t once actually advised the couple to discuss their grievances in a constructive and civilised manner. PHOTO: TWITTER.COM/KhaledAlSaqaby It is perplexing that as a therapist, this man hasn’t once actually advised the couple to discuss their grievances in a constructive and civilised manner. PHOTO: SCREENSHOT

Saudi Arabia is a kingdom where women aren’t allowed to drive, can’t vote like men, must dress like ninjas, and often take the legal blame if raped. Without permission from their husbands/fathers, they can’t leave the country, can’t open a bank account, can’t obtain a passport, can’t pursue higher education, and more.

These laws open Saudi women to abuse. Depending on the luck of the draw, if a Saudi woman ends up with an abusive husband or father (like the Saudi preacher who raped his ‘flirty’ five-year-old daughter to teach her a lesson) she is destined for a life of misery.

These laws are intended to do only one thing: control.

A woman who is controlled is easy to manage like an animal rather than a human being with her own hopes, wants, and desires.

Recently, a video of a Saudi therapist with some worrisome advice for Saudi husbands gained traction. If you haven’t seen it already, here it is:

First of all, where did this man gain his qualifications? ISIS territory?  Oh, that’s right; he probably earned them in Saudi Arabia.

Like any counselor, a family therapist must always maintain a neutral stance, yet this man revels in his biases. For one, he clearly believes wives are like pets, and must be disciplined as such.

Here are some of his quotes:

“Welcome to our show, which will deal with wife beating.”

I love how nonchalantly he starts the show, as if he is talking about something as casual as teaching us how to polish our antique furniture. Yes, let’s talk about the correct way to beat our wives today; please tune in tomorrow for my advice on how to stay in denial about your own mental illness.

“I am aware that this issue is a thorny one.”

Interesting choice of words considering he is sitting alone in a forest surrounded by thorny bushes.

“I believe the problem arises when husbands do not understand how to deal with disobedience.”

Read: I believe the problem arises when husbands do not understand how to deal with a wife who is her own person.

“Some women disobey their husbands and make mistakes with them.”

The first mistake was marrying said husband.

“Then comes the second stage – forsaking her in bed.”

Oh don’t worry. I am sure she knows how to use proxies.

“Here too, some husbands make mistakes.”

Read: She’s now sleeping with the driver who doesn’t ignore her.

“Which might exacerbate the problem further.”

If you know what I mean.

“If, for example, the husband leaves his bed and goes to another house, everybody knows there is a problem.”

Yes, everyone is like, ‘Oh God, it is Abdul again. Lock your doors.’

“The point of forsaking her in bed is to discipline the wife.”

A perfect way to control her, because legally, the husband can find another outlet for his sexual desires with another wife, but she (and let’s be honest, women desire sex as much as men), has no legal option. Instead she turns to Orangzaib.

“And not to air your dirty laundry in public.”

I am sorry, I can’t get this horrible image out of my head.

“Which means you should sleep in the same bed as her, but turn your back on her.”

Sounds kinky.

“By the way, as a woman once told me, this is the most ingenious way to discipline a wife.”

Clearly she had an agenda, like keeping away from husbands with dirty laundry.

“Then comes the third stage – the issue of beating. We have to understand that the aim is to discipline, not to vent one’s anger.”

Yes, because in mankind’s history, men have never crossed the fine line between disciplining a person, and beating the s*** out of them. It is perplexing that as a therapist, this man hasn’t once actually advised the couple to discuss their grievances in a constructive and civilised manner.

“Unfortunately, some wives want to live a life of equality with their husbands.”

Or rather, unfortunately some husbands don’t want to live a life of equality with their wives.

“In addition, sometimes a woman makes a mistake that might lead her husband to beat her.”

There isn’t a single mistake that justifies domestic violence.

“I am sad to say that there are some women who say: ‘Go ahead. If you are a real man, beat me.’ She provokes him.”

If you were a real human being you would consider that no woman would say this unless she had grown up around a system of abuse where something as horrible as wife beating was considered normal.

If some women can argue that an instrument of slavery like the niqab is justified, then sadly, it is no surprise that they can also believe that wife beating is justified.

Noman Ansari

Noman Ansari

The author is the editor-in-chief of IGN Pakistan, and has been reviewing films and writing opinion pieces for The Express Tribune as well as Dawn for five years. He tweets as @Pugnate (twitter.com/Pugnate)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • fahad rauf

    I wonder if the author knows any thing about Islam. Recommend

  • fayza

    good read and such clerics or therapists should be beaten black and blue so that they can never utter a single word.Recommend

  • jay

    Islam treats women worst than any other religion ! Women are like a mans property in Islam … Men can marry many , women get covered .Recommend

  • vinsin

    If a women doesnt want to be beaten she can change her religion. What is the point of beating a guy who speaks truth?Recommend

  • Jayman

    R&D in the Islamic World. But he is quoting from the book!Recommend

  • Fahad Bhatti

    Apparently he does. He followed verse number 34 of Surah-al-Nasr.Recommend

  • shoaib

    Why tribune publish such article when i can present million you tube videos about Iran and Mullah in that country and their worst human records.Recommend

  • Malik

    Noman Ansari if you lack knowledge about Islam then you must stay silent instead to broadcast misconceptions. This cleric is absolutely right and telling in the light of Quran. Consult Surat an Nisa [4:34]. http://quran.com/4/34Recommend

  • shoaib

    Can a Sunni in Iran be able to criticize Iranian mullah in Iran. Why such biased men ignore Iranian atrocities and worst human records of Iranian mullah.Such article help promote sectarianism as if i read one such article then one can put thousands article in comments of thousands you tube videos to counteract its effect even with more enthusiasm as million people see youtube videosRecommend

  • Narco

    Useless article. We all know there are bunch of idiots everywhere, including this country. Please write on diff stories related to women’s rights or human rights.Recommend

  • Sara

    The Saudi guy has said nothing against the teachings of Islam.Recommend

  • Plaxi

    Completely misleading headline. And just so you know Mr Noman, what he says in the video is 100% in accordance with Quran and SunnahRecommend

  • Arman Zain

    Some people never learn .. that is all I can say about the author.

    About so called scholar then considering this video was hand picked by the author tells me no to bother….

    A confuse person can just confuse others … The author is doing this with diligenceRecommend

  • HK

    I wonder if you doRecommend

  • Parvez

    I read somewhere that that Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy’s new film ‘ Girl in the River ‘ was shown to a crowd of university students…..the reaction was that the boys cheered the father ( villain ) who in the name of honor tried to kill his daughter. While the girls sympathized with the daughter. Guess where this youth is getting this warped thinking from from ? We are lucky that our girls do not have the same exposure that our boys are exposed to.Recommend

  • Amer

    @Noman: Why does every other article have to be anti-saudi something ?
    you get obsessed with them and try to throw mud at every single thing that comes on their tv. Why not tell us about the relationships in your so called civilized societies ?
    I live in a western society, love a lot of things about it but domestic violence is out of control here and it becomes even worse with the mix of alcohol. But like I said tell us about saudis please because we care about them so much, right?Recommend

  • Zaman Awan

    @fahad rauf
    You should give your sweet darling daughter as a wife to an Arab. The Arab will teach her something. I have lived in Saudi Arabia. I gone far away thru listening to clerics. I was educated Sharia, Arabic language and many other islamic things so please stop telling me that the author knows nothing about Islam !Recommend

  • hafeez

    With this comment “Read: She’s now sleeping with the driver who doesn’t ignore her” You are adding insult to the injury. What you mean to say is that if husband and wife, for whatever reason, do not sleep together, the wife will sleep with the driver. Kindly read what you write.Recommend

  • Sonya

    The author enjoys respect for his work and he is one of the most read blogger – most of us including the author do not recognize Islam what Saudis have exhibited to the world. If not more they are only a shame to Islam. The irony is that Pakistan draws Islam from them and we follow them like slaves.Recommend

  • anon

    Indeed. Wife beating is part and parcel of Islam. What is he on about? /sarcasmRecommend

  • hendrikush

    Just tell us.Recommend

  • fahad rauf

    It would be better to read from the book than to beat the therapist. It is a symbolic beating with the use of a tooth brush for example. It is not a WWF wrestle mania. You need to understand the psychology behind this correction. Both are all together equal but both Men and Women have different responsibilities which one needs to understand.Recommend

  • jason bender

    Pretty sweet deal for the Saudi dudes!Recommend

  • Sufian

    I too wonder that.
    More likely than not, the author is an expert in writing senseless articles.Recommend

  • Sufian

    The author has clearly misquoted the cleric.Recommend

  • Ali S

    He knows enough that we shouldn’t have to teleport ourselves back in the 7th century and deny basic decency to follow it.Recommend

  • Ali Zoye

    This is the new breed of writers, they don’t care what Quran and Hadith have to say and why. Just going mad after the word ‘beat’ and not realizing the usage of it which literally is with something like a toothbrush. Eventually they are gonna decide on their own whats right or wrong to them, and all they care is good overnight ratings and purposeless sarcasm. Even if someone answers their stupid concerns, they don’t care!Recommend

  • Desi

    I wonder if you know anything about Islam. Islam does not permit us to treat our wives like animals, which mostly of the men, clerics do. Never in the whole Quran Allah has ever mentioned to beat your wife or to treat her badly. Never our Prophet Muhammad ﷺ has ever beaten any of his wives and neither has taught us to do so. If you have a thinking like this Saudi cleric who raped his own 5 years old daughter and killed her in the name of disciplining her then you should re-evaluate your thoughts

    ET Publish this pleaseRecommend

  • Read Below

    Wife beating is specifically allowed in Islam (Arabic religion).

    There are many books of Shariah that teach wife beating techniques. There is nothing in this video that cannot be verified through Shariah books.

    All non-Arab Muslims find it disturbing that Islam allows this. It is because the majority just keep reading the sentences written in Arabic like zombies or cult members without actually knowing what they mean.

    It is saddeningly-funny to an outsider.Recommend

  • UtkarshSinghNain

    How can both be equal in any way if one is allowed to beat the other?Recommend

  • Knowing Basics

    Dear brothers, see the video before commenting… the preacher was quoting narrations from the Quran so these are not his views go and search it yourself if you have any doubts

    Secondly, what he is saying is what west and now even the east is continually ignoring and as a result, man, woman & the society is suffering.

    For any order to work there has to be a hierarchy; look around there is no equality in any system.. no two people in any organization, process or a system are equal within. Are we obeying the boss at office are his/her slaves.. not at all it is the respect, morality and office ethics we maintain… Similarly why do we ignore the same principle for life…

    The cleric was highlighting the same thing.. and narrating a step-by-step process as told by Allah Subhan Hou and more importantly categorically denying any sort of beating of a wife admissible to a husband

    Pray the message passes thru and we realize the value withinRecommend

  • Muhammad Azrum Ansari

    listen to it again. There area ruling for wives aswell. In cases where husband is disobedient. I think u need to search more on IslamRecommend

  • desi

    But he said you can have slave women and use her as a booty but a woman cannot have a slave man…Recommend

  • Sufian

    Do you seriously believe that both genders are equal. Try by answering why football and cricket World Cups are held separately for each gender?
    Why do you believe it’s okay for humans to decide when men and women aren’t equal, and it’s not okay for our Creator to decide the same?Recommend

  • Liberal..yet Sane!!!

    This article has soo many wrongs!!!…Its like the author was on a personal vendetta to negate each and every word. Dont get me wrong, I agree that the Islam by Saudi’s is not the right version, however read your book (Quran) understand, read Ahadis and then you will understand what is right and what is wrong. There is a reason why female are to be covered…and its there in your religion, don’t twist it. Beating a wife does not mean scarring her or cutting her or hitting her with a bat..as far as I know, you are to ask your wife not to do a particular thing, not because you dont like it, but also because is it no islamic. You need to do it a couple of times, via talk and not physical stuff. It is only that after repeated warnings, the wife is not complying, you are allowed to use some form of mild physical form to stop her, but only if she is doing some thing not in compliance with Sharia’h.

    Yes I know soo many of you will again try to debate on this ,but please know your religion first and then debate. Islam has the highest regards and treats women in the best possible way. That is what Islam teaches us. It is US and US alone that twist the teaching to our own benefits and Being a muslim or a islam practising person or a jew or a christian or a hindu or any other individual, I can always twist stuff to my own liking..so its not just radical religious fanatics or muslims doing this.Recommend

  • Parvez

    Nowhere does the author claim to be religious scholar. All he’s done is displayed and commented on the views of this self proclaimed Saudi religious scholar………views that are certainly questionable and defy common sense.Recommend

  • Parvez

    ET ….. Kindly undo the ‘ like ‘ that appears with my name . This type of stuff happens when I use an I-pad ….. sorry. It’s embarrassing to have my name attached to such a comment.Recommend

  • Ishaq

    Honestly, he meant that THAT WAS WHAT THE ‘THERAPIST’ meant. God, you people are so dumb. Recommend

  • Laskero

    It is really astonishing that some “educated” people here support wife beating. I wonder if they actually practice such barbaric practices in their personal lives.Recommend

  • zainhameed

    Beating up your wife, no matter how much you try to sugarcoat it, is completely wrong. It’s disturbing how people like you still exist in the 21st century.Recommend

  • zainhameed

    What is with this Pakistani obsession with Saudi Arabia? Especially considering how they treat us like garbage in their country.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Noman, I get to interact with a lot of Muslim youth and I see the Shias and the Sunnis hangout in different groups, some of my observations:

    1. Shia’s do not hate America as much as the Sunnis do especially since the thaw in relations between the two countries.
    2. Shia’s and Sunni’s hangout in different groups and do not discuss or do not agree on issues like Iran, the Shias cannot hear a single bad thing about Iran though they would not be as animated and aggressive in making their point as the Sunnis do while defending Saudi Arabia, Saddam Hussein and demonizing America.
    3. Shias and Sunnis both believe they know everything about the Islamic world especially middle east however some of their claims are very funny.
    4.Most of them love Muslims elsewhere and in India than they love/ respect their own Hindu brothers and sisters.
    5. Finally, if the Shias do not retreat in an argument, there is a real possibility of a one sided fist fight.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    When you celebrate your plunderers by naming your missiles after them and a common cheers for it because the plunderers name sounds a Muslim name, you forget that he did as much bad to you as he did to your enemy of today who chose to remain an infidel.

    You did not regret when you still had time. Pakistan is inching towards a very slow but a very painful ordeal.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Parvez, how many Pakistanis do you think have the same mindset as you do?

    People of your kind scare me because if you guys are in majority, Pakistan may come out of the abyss it is in, but then if you were in majority, I would not be your country’s enemy in the first place.
    Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    You need to control your laughter though else they would not show you mirror by talking about now banned sati practice and the rapes in India, they would simply chop your head off.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Thanks mate!!

    Why do Muslims threaten to chop our heads off when we quote the same on a different forum.Recommend

  • Fahad Bhatti

    I am a huge advocate of treating women as you want to be treated yourself. But there is some misinformation here when you say “Never in the whole Quran Allah has ever mentioned to beat your wife or to treat her badly.”
    Well, if you read Surah Al Nasr Ayah number 34, what you said might not be exactly true.
    But again, it’s up to the interpretation and different scholars have different explanation of that Ayah.Recommend

  • Fahad Bhatti

    yup. Quran 4:34Recommend

  • siesmann

    Ridiculous is every time Mullahs open their mouth !!!Recommend

  • Sufian

    7th century Islam serves humanity better than 21st century west.

    Or why would more and more people in the west would embrace Islam with so much propaganda against it? FYI, UK has more female converts than male – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.html

    As you can see, your argument holds no water.Recommend

  • Sufian

    In what regards Pakistan follows them? I’m unaware of Saudis celebrating Milad like Christmas, but much of Pakistan does.

    And why so much resentment against Saudis? Is that becaise of the brainwashing by the media which teaches that all Arabs are Muslim infidels?Recommend

  • Sufian

    Thanks for copy pasting the most popular of the propagandas against Islam.

    Bad news, facts go against those claims as more women accept Islam than men in the UK – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1343954/100-000-Islam-converts-living-UK-White-women-keen-embrace-Muslim-faith.htmlRecommend

  • Sufian

    There’s a difference between what the cleric said and the misinterpreted quotes of cleric.

    The author, as noted by few others here, is biased and has completely ignored the fact that Quran says it, not some random Joe.Recommend

  • Sufian

    I wonder why more females accept Islam than males, in case your argument is close to reality.Recommend

  • Hammurabi

    What if the wife is not at fault and husband is wrong? Who will decide and take action?Recommend

  • Hammurabi

    What if the wife is more familiar with Shariah and the husband is a Jahil?Recommend

  • Parvez
  • Alter Ego

    It is funny that people talk about everything without knowing anything.
    Tell me “where ” Islam allows it.
    On the other hand the average age of entry into prostitution in America is 1-14 years.
    Care to comment.Recommend

  • Rizwan

    During the early years of my marriage I had to punish my wife becuase she would insult my family which was very dishonorable to me. Now we get along perfectly. She does not criticize and we sometimes joke that thither was a time that I needed to beat her.Recommend

  • Parvez

    All I will venture to say is I hope you’ll remain happy. …….but may I ask, if you insulted her family would she have the same right as you ?Recommend

  • Sufian

    The context of the verse is quite interesting. Basically if you read the verses leading to verse 34.
    Firstly, a Muslim can’t reject Ahadith of the Prophet Muhammad (may peace be upon him). And as stated by the cleric in the video, it is not to vent out anger but a symbolic beating with a handkerchief. I wonder how badly you can beat someone with a handkerchief. Surely not like how western men beat their girlfriends.

    I’d refer you to NAK’s video for explanation of this verse:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1azySjz4edkRecommend

  • Sufian

    You don’t seem to have watched the video and are slating the cleric for author’s twisted interpretation of the said cleric.

    Please watch the video. It doesn’t say you can beat up a woman like western men beat up their girlfriends. I’m not convinced you can beat up a women with a handkerchief.Recommend

  • Akmal Khan

    Ok, this video was completely useless. I already KNOW what the Quran says on this. What I was hoping was that the cleric would explain how the twig can be used on my wife. Should I poke her with it? If so, is it ok to sharpen it a bit? Can I let out some blood, or is breaking skin a no go? Also, what is the recognised length of the twig to be used? Can it be the length of my arm? What if I use more than one twig? What if the miswak tree isn’t anywhere near I live? Can I use a substitute wood? What if my arms hurt that day, can I ask someone to do the poking on my behalf? Does the surrogate poker have to be someone I know well (family), or a 3rd party candidate? Can I use more than one limb? I really hope someone can answer these questions. Wife beating is a very important thing, and I would want to know the Shariah compliant methods, if anyone can guide me. Can we please not make this into another liberal fascist agenda? I think this is a legitimate issue that plagues our Muslim brothers and sisters every day, and it is time we get the right directions on this.Recommend

  • Sufian

    No. Pakistanis have actually taken the culture of India where a woman is substandard being. If she needs to get married, a lot of money has to be given to the family of the man who marries her, because he’s doing the girl and her family a big favour.

    Islam has elevated women in form of mother, sister and wife. Where they are neither burnt alive when her husband dies, nor do they have to carry the financial burden of the family. She’s a home-maker and respectable part of a family, not just another pawn in a group of individuals (i.e broken family structure).Recommend

  • Sufian

    I’m not sure because I don’t.
    However, a woman has to be super dumb to keep on disobeying her husband after his disapproval and then ignoring her (just in case you’ve watched the video in the article, you’d have known that it’s more affect on a woman when her husband ignores her by turning his back to her).

    And if being disobedient is all a woman wants, she can take divorce.

    As for the beating, it’s a symbolic one. I’m not sure how you can beat someone with a handkerchief. Please watch the video, for God’s sake. Don’t post if you’re just here to annoy or waste time of others.Recommend

  • Fahim

    Every family has problem. Seems author’s trying to advice from his experience of his mom, sisters, and wife that what females should do.Recommend

  • maynotmatter

    Spoken like a true man. How does it feel beating up the wife ? There were other ways to fix things like talking, or worse divorce. But ain’t it very satisfying to beat up a wife to reclaim your manhood ? Were you being a true muslim when you were beating up your wife or just being a man who feels that it is their right to beat up a woman ?Recommend

  • maynotmatter

    Every truth which hurts becomes propaganda. No matter that there are bold facts infant of you
    1. Saudi Arabia where women wearing Burqa is a mandate
    2. Having four wives are allowed even in this age in many muslim countries
    3. Having women as slaves is not an uncommon thing in “The Kingdom”
    4. Even in Pakistan, girls are shamed heavily by society if they don’t dress up modestly, barring few places in Karachi and Islamabad.
    5. Afghanistan under taliban was hell for women
    6. Iran still imposes in many ways the need for head to toe niqab.Recommend

  • maynotmatter

    Oh seriously ? Please share your source of information. Btw the prostitutes earn money. In Islamic nations many women are sold as sex slaves for free. My source is Saudi Arabia, go verify the house of any Sheikh and you will see many female sex workers under him.Recommend

  • maynotmatter

    It is easy to make claims but always challenging to share source to support claims isn’t it ? I have witnessed the so called conversion to Islam in west where an apparently moderate cleric sugar coat the Islamic preaching exactly to what a simpleton wants to listen. And post conversion they are slowly bend towards the rigid belief system where they are brainwashed to be submissive to every word spoken by clerics. I have seen how many of them have left Islam realizing that it was not what they were made to believe it is.
    Islam is beautiful religion, but the salafalist clerics from the kingdom is making it a religion of extremism and violence.
    ET. Hopefully u will print this response. There are facts to what I said.Recommend

  • maynotmatter

    Sati practice and Ghunghat practice was introduced to Indian system since Mughal invasion. This is a bit of history which you need to learn to even begin an argument. Muslims back then and even now believe in looting women as “spoils of war”. Recent example is ISIS. To save their women being looted by muslims the practice of Ghunghat was introduced and so was the evil of Sati.
    Rapes in India is highlighted by media. Does not mean that rape does not happen in Pakistan or any other nation. Not reporting rape is not same as no rape happening. Raping women is sickness in men’s attitude towards women and is nothing to do with religion or territory. This practice has been going on since cavemen time.Recommend

  • maynotmatter

    And by wondering that , what is your counter argument to him ? Can you prove him wrong ?Recommend

  • maynotmatter

    How does it matter ? People convert to things out of fascination and not necessary by beliefs. How many converts do actually practice the religion as thoroughly as Saudis do ? As for Europeans, they were converted from paganism to christianity long time ago and they may convert to Islam now. How is that going to improve the mindsets that believe in medieval practices as stunning to death, chopping off hands and heads, honor killing, wife beating….etc ?Recommend

  • maynotmatter

    So in a way Islam preaches violence. Instead of talking things out ?Recommend

  • maynotmatter

    So according to you Islam preaches gender inequality ? Explain me again how come Islam is a religion of peace when you already sow the sense of inequality between men and women, between believers and non believers ?Recommend

  • maynotmatter

    And you sir are contradicting your own earlier statement to UtakrshSighNain where in you defend the inequality by virtue of which you support the unequal treatment to women which can also mean beating them up is right thing to do if they are disobedient.Recommend

  • maynotmatter

    Nooman bhai, need more Muslims like you. Not because you are saying anything against Islam, you are clearly not. But you are pointing to the people preaching bad in name of Islam. In my personal experience as curious atheist who loves to read about all religion and care less to follow any. I have come across muslim clerics from other nation vs the one from saudi clerics. And it is a clear difference between their preaching. Saudi preachers are very suggestive to the idea of fight (even by violence if necessary) for the rights of Muslims. And have seen the people attending those seminars nodding in acceptance as if they are already brainwashed and ready for step 2.
    Only if the Sauds were not the beacon of Islam the problems faced by muslims in all over the world have been greatly reduced.
    And since this topic is about Suadi cleric I am only commenting about Islam. I will save my comments about the evils done by Pundits and Fathers for appropriate forums.
    Anyways always pleasure to read your article. And I beg your pardon if anything I said was ignorance.Recommend

  • Sufian

    World organisations don’t cite Islam when they say hold separate tournaments (cricket and football) for men, and separate for women.

    So the question is for you to answer – why do you say both genders are equal when you don’t practice it yourself?Recommend

  • Sufian

    Women accept Islam because it frees them from the ideology of the West where they are only as good as she look. They now don’t have to dress up to please the men by degrading themselves.

    “but the salafalist clerics from the kingdom is making it a religion of extremism and violence.”
    I am interested in knowing what are the the elements of extremism and violence you’re talking about. Is it the death penalty for raping? Or is it chopping of hands AFTER such a system is established that no one needs to steal anything?Recommend

  • Sufian

    Are you seriously suggesting that they leave lives of desires to adopt lives of simplicity and decency?

    You will have to open that link to find out how many of them practice the religion thoroughly. But since you haven’t, you don’t know at present.

    Honour killing and wife beating (as in full-fledge beating which West is head-over-heels in love with, i.e men beat their girlfriends so bad that bones get fractured) are not allowed in Islam. If Muslims take interest/Riba, it doesn’t make it allowed in Islam. Same is for other crimes.Recommend

  • Nobody

    I love this piece. Thank you for writing it.Recommend

  • Nobody

    Senseless articles? This guy’s pieces are among some of the most sensible I’ve read on ET.Recommend

  • Komal S

    Wow, looks like you are proud that you tamed her. Your mind is no different from this cleric.Recommend

  • Komal S

    That is the problem, the creator has given you license to have 4 wives, the creator has given you rights to beat her. The creator has said you are not equal. i.e Men use creator as an alibi for his supposed superiority.Recommend

  • Fahim

    At least Islam doesn’t burn women along with husband like Hinduism.Recommend

  • Nobody

    I love this piece. Thank you for writing it.Recommend

  • Patwari

    But, see, well, you know, your Prime Minister Modi said
    Plastic surgery was invented by Hindia 5,000 years ago.
    They even grafted heads!!Recommend

  • Parvez

    Firstly I have seen the video…….and my problem is with the concept of ” beating ” which symbolic or otherwise is demeaning….and needs to be discourage and not promoted.
    It’s patriarchy at its worst…..today even the Saudi Arabia political leadership is changing its thinking…..slowly though it may be, it is discernible.Recommend

  • Sufian

    Ok I’ve no problem in accepting that you’ve watched the video, it does raise a question however. Why did you criticise the cleric when he was saying the same as what is there in the Quran and Ahadith. Your quote:

    this self proclaimed Saudi religious scholar………views that are certainly questionable and defy common sense.

    How come it is not demeaning when the same woman breaks the laws of Islam? Every Muslim must respect the laws of Allah and His prophet (SAWW). When someone breaks it, there are actions to be taken to discipline them, let it be a man or a woman, a husband or a wife.

    Since you spoke against “symbolic” beating, can you come up with a better way of dealing such a situation? Other than divorce of course, because a woman can always take divorce before the stage of symbolic beating comes.Recommend

  • Sufian

    No. It’s ridiculous when people comment without actually watching the video.Recommend

  • Sufian

    Come back when you’ve tried the step 1 (ignoring your wife while sharing the same room, just like it said in the video) and it didn’t work.

    Secondly, the rules of this symbolic beating is that it shouldn’t be on the face (quite tough for westerners and liberals to follow) and shouldn’t leave any mark, i.e shouldn’t be a real beating, just a symbolic one to say “you’re crossing the line, next thing is divorce”.Recommend

  • Sufian

    ISIS are killing everyone alike, maybe more Muslims than non-Muslims. Your argument is way off the facts.

    Besides, if sati is taught by Muslims, why come it’s practiced by Hindus? Why did Muslims not join Hindus when it was banned by British government in India?

    “Rapes in India is highlighted by media”
    They should not be highlighted before punishing the rapist severely. Because it only gives a hint that rapist can go home unpunished.Recommend

  • Sufian

    1. what is bad in burqa? And as far as I’ve seen, Abaya is compulsory, not burqa. Stop copy pasting from Islamophobe sites,

    2. what is wrong with four wives? Better than a man cheating his wife, no?
    3. slaves has more rights in Islam than your average slave in your brilliant history of Europe and America. Another copy-paste thing.
    4. so we should encourage girls to dress up to please men?
    5. Is that why Yvonne Ridley, Dayna Curry and Heather Mercer only spoke positive about Taliban? If your argument is true, they would have pointed out this point first. Besides, none of those women claimed they were mistreated by Taliban, something which is weird given your claim.
    6. France forces women to uncover their head. You don’t oppose that. Why the double standards?Recommend

  • Sufian

    Both genders aren’t equal in many ways, and Europeans, Americans who are non-Muslims all agree. Both are different physically and psychologically. You might want to read “Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus”.

    There’s a difference between “beating up” (as done by men in the West, hint: “war machine”) and “symbolic beating” as allowed in Islam. Moreover, this “symbolic beating” is only allowed in the case where the wife is breaking the laws of Islam. However, “symbolic” beating comes after the husband has shown his disapproval and also ignored her while being present in the same room (which is enough for any woman, unless super dumb, that she has to stop doing the disapproved things).Recommend

  • Sufian

    Creator didn’t say that men and women play football separely in Fifa World Cup.

    Please answer why are you guys distinguishing between men and women, while demanding us to treat both the same? In your next comment, please answer this.Recommend

  • Sufian

    It depends on what you call sensible. All the author has done is misquote the cleric.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Woww…woman being stoned alive, 4 witnesses being a necessity for a women to prove her being raped, I wonder which culture do they belong to leave alone the faith.

    If Pakistanis are bad, it is because of Hindu influence, if Arabs are bad, it is because of the western influence and Iran is bad for the simple reason that they are Shias but Muslims as a community will never hold themselves accountable for any of their misdeeds.

    “nor do they have to carry the financial burden of the family.”

    We all have seen the beating the Taliban used to give the Afghan women for even begging in the absence/death of their husbands.

    “Where they are neither burnt alive..”

    Just type “stoned to death” in Google and you would feel you are standing before a mirror.

    Ever wondered what’s the difference between your mindset and that of Taliban?

    As I said to Parvez, people of your kind inspire a great deal of confidence among the Indians especially Hindus who would like to see Pakistan getting a taste of its own medicine. You are my friend from across the border who would do to Pakistan exactly what we wish.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Mullah Omar says Thumbs Up.Recommend

  • Parvez

    The problem here is of interpretation and understanding. What you understand is possibly not what I understand…..so if you think you are right, I say…….good for you.
    On a better way to deal with the situation…..what about treating her like an equal and use patience, logic and reason to convince her…….all religions teach tolerance and forgiveness.Recommend

  • np

    No doubt this bad practice prevailed among Hindus long back but Bhagvat Gita does not prescribe this.Spot the difference?Recommend