Sorry, Mr Jinnah, we had to ruin your beloved Pakistan

Published: April 20, 2016
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You wanted Pakistan to be a state where we would be free; free to go to our mosques, temples and churches, but today it is a country where many are free to bomb places of worship. PHOTO: PAK ARMED FORCES

You wanted Pakistan to be a state where we would be free; free to go to our mosques, temples and churches, but today it is a country where many are free to bomb places of worship. You said there would be no difference between Hindus, Christians and Muslims, but today Pakistan’s Muslims are killing each other (as well as Hindus and Christians) because they cannot tolerate those whose beliefs are different from theirs.

Your Pakistan would have been a model democracy, but 10 years after your death, a military dictator took over the reins of the country, and we hailed him as a saviour. After the first free and fair elections in 1970, we watched helplessly as a demagogue refused to accept the winner of the polls as prime minister, which led to the dismemberment of your beloved country. Later, other dictators came and did their best to damage the country you created.

You created Pakistan because you feared that Muslims would have no rights in a Hindu-dominated India. But today, the country is ruled not by Hindus, but by a feudal class which considers itself above the law and flagrantly refuses to pay its due share of taxes (but decides how much tax honest taxpayers should pay).

When you were dying, Mr Jinnah, your doctors advised you to go to London for treatment, but you refused because your country was poor and because you loved its people. Today, Mr Jinnah, every member of parliament is allowed to go abroad for medical treatment for the slightest of ailments (like constipation and diarrhoea). You did not take a salary even though you were working day and night, but today our politicians have looted the country and bought palaces in foreign countries, and we can do nothing about it.

You’ll be shocked to hear, Mr Jinnah, that the kind of people who called you ‘Kafir-e-Azam’ (the great infidel) have appointed themselves guardians of Pakistan’s ideology (even though they bitterly opposed the creation of Pakistan). These men thought you should be portrayed in their image, so they have dubbed your speeches in Urdu, a language which you could not speak. They changed the name of your wife to Maryam, even though your marriage certificate and her tombstone say her name is Rattan Bai. Some of them even changed the place of your birth to an obscure town in Sindh, even though you yourself said on many occasions that you were born in Karachi. We won’t be surprised if in future they remove all your portraits and show you as a heavily bearded man in an attempt to prove that you were like them.

In today’s Pakistan, Mr Jinnah, only one per cent of the population pays income tax. There are regions which refuse to pay customs duty and taxes on smuggled cars, the country’s industries are on the verge of collapse due to rampant smuggling, and the government cannot impose its writ and recover taxes from such elements (because practically everyone in the government is highly corrupt). The streets of your beloved Karachi are not safe, and we consider it a miracle if we arrive home safely every evening without being mugged or robbed (even though, as you said, the first duty of every government is the maintenance of law and order).

You said that no nation can progress if its women don’t work, yet today the Pakistani working woman is not safe. The mullahs say her place is in the home and she has to bear as many children as she can. And if, God forbid, she is raped (something that happens every day), she can be charged with adultery if she goes to the police, as she can’t produce four male witnesses to the crime. In fact, one religious leader even advised rape victims to remain silent and say nothing (because in his version of the true religion, that is what has been ordained).

We do not know if it is true that you called Pakistan the greatest blunder of your life, as you lay dying in Karachi, but over the years we have done our best to make it come true.

Shakir Lakhani

Shakir Lakhani

Engineer, former visiting lecturer at NED Engineering College, industrialist, associated with petroleum/chemical industries for many years. Loves writing, and (in the opinion of most of those who know him), mentally unbalanced. He tweets @shakirlakhani (twitter.com/shakirlakhani)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Swaadhin

    Secularism is not a life style, it is a belief system. Jinnah might have lived a life which made him look secular and sound secular ones in a while but he created a country on the name of religion walking over a million dead bodies.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    There is nothing wrong in TNT, the fact is Muslims have never lived in peace with any majority. If a majority wants to remain a majority, it must make a homeland minus Muslims because no other community is as violently persistent as Muslims are in making the majority a minority in their own land.

    The tragedy of India is we are left with enough Muslims who when live in majority in some places of India, they would not think twice in celebrating Pakistan’s victory over India.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    It does not matter whether Jinnah is secular or not, the tragedy is the Hindus of the time needed a Hindu Jinnah and not a Gandhi or a Nehru as we did.

    8% of India’s Muslims have now become 16%, they are exponentially increasing their numbers while we do not seem to care.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Exactly, that is the reason Pakistan has never become truly democratic because you stick to law to the extent that you don’t even protest your own Govt. When you don’t protest your own Govt, how could you have protested an outsider, isn’t it?

    When Jinnah’s credentials of being a freedom fighter is questioned, even a seasoned writer has to resort to such a timid explanation.

    Nehru is bad, Gandhi is bad and even his killer is bad but Jinnah is great. I wish there was a Hindu Jinnah in those days!!Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    To Salman Ahmad: First of all, it’s Swaadhin and not Swadhin and it is definitely Hindi. I bet you would google to find the meaning of it.

    Btw, did urdu drop from heavens or Arabia?

    As far as the rest of your comment goes, it is useless to respond because you would not be a Pakistani if you did not believe in Jinnah, I actually love Jinnah for having divided India but I have a problem when your kind of people colour him as a secular person.

    Osama was killed recently and he is a martyr for great many Pakistanis, Al Baghdadi is already a Khalifa for many of your countrymen, I am not surprised Jinnah is the Quaid.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Sir, you must excuse your countrymen because there are no more Hindus left in the land of pure to take direct action on.

    Your dream is truly achieved.

    -An elated neighbor.Recommend

  • Keyboard Soldier

    By your own admission, the two nation theory has failed.

    Arab Islam can never overtake the local culture & traditions and convert them into a desert tribal mode of life.

    Saudi Arabia is a quickly failing state and in the end it might just actually help the Pakistanis free themselves from the claws of the Arab cult.

    Once the Jihad philosophy sees its final day in the offices of the GHQ, the entire world would take a sigh of relief.

    Pakistanis can deliver a lot to the world in terms of trade and commerce, if they stop being the slaves of the Saudis (where Arab Islam was manufactured), and stop hating on Shias, Ahemedis, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs and Christians.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    If you had pasted the quote on Google, the very first hit would be to Express Tribune news article.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/484417/as-nation-remembers-jinnah-speakers-fear-his-legacy-has-been-forgotten/

    Usually Pakistani pseudo liberals don’t repeat this particular quote of Jinnah(you know why!). I am not surprised you haven’t heard it. You should read the Direct Action manifesto by Muslim League under Jinnah’s Presidentship. You will see references to Jehad and Battle and the week after the manifesto was released 5000 Hindus are butchered in Muslim majority Bengal which had a League Govt. Next time I’ll quote you what Jinnah said when a Journalist warned him that there could be violence if he calls Direct Action day. Not riots, but one-way violence.

    What his understanding of Sharia is immaterial. Sharia is a Religious law and he wanted a Religious law to be basis of Constitution. You call him secular, but the very definition of secularism doesn’t allow any such Religion inspired law to be basis of any state policy, forget the Constitution! How on Earth is he a Secular person is beyond me.

    All my quotes and references of Jinnah are authentic. I dare you to challenge them. See my other comments.Recommend

  • Keyboard Soldier

    Jinnah was like Imran khan. Just did whatever it took to acquire power, without actually believing or practicing the non-sense he promoted.

    Talk about duplicity.Recommend

  • LS

    “Jinnah sent armies to kashmir after Indian armies occupied what is current now knows as jammu, ”

    This is plain bastardized version of pakistani history… The pakistanis attacked on 6th October 1947, there was no presence of Indian Military there at that time.. This attack took place despite pakistan signing “Stand-still” agreement with J&K Princely state. India only entered after IOA was signed by Hari Singh and Louis Mountbatten…

    Killing of Gandhi has nothing to do with Pakistan… He was killed because he was overly sympathetic to divisive forces of the country.Recommend

  • LS

    Dude.. Exports of Bangladesh is higher than yours. You produce close to nothing that involves engineering. Textiles and agricultural products has been your major export.. rest is useless… Your only steel mill is close to dead. you have non-existant software industry and recently 60% of your software companies relocated to Middle east when taxes were increased… 2009 report in 2016 is meaningless.

    http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/pak/Recommend

  • Salman Ahmad

    Yeah right that state India where just a suspicion of possession of beef if u r a muslim can get u killed. The same India where Babri Masjid got attacked by Hindus and they built a temple over it, the same india where government supports extremist hindus in the so called ghar wapsi programs, The same India where a murderer of Muslims named Modi gets elected as the PM, you want me to go on? These delusions are exactly why all u indians need to visit a psychaitristRecommend

  • Salman Ahmad

    No he is not. Just coz he is ur fellow indian doesnt make him right. Ironically u accuse Jinnah of hatred while the fact is u hate Muslims and Pakistanis urself who sow the seeds for that?Recommend

  • Salman Ahmad

    And yet Nehru didnt want to treat Muslims fairly, wow wat a visionary!Recommend

  • Salman Ahmad

    What a silly argumentRecommend

  • Salman Ahmad

    Well u just did and we will keep on doing it too. Further wat did u do with Gandhi ur so called great man?Recommend

  • Salman Ahmad

    Wat u fail to understand and i know u will keep on failing to do so is that Jinnah was trying to protect the muslim interest in sub continent which we clearly see in todays india getting compromised. So Jinnah did the right thing as he was a true visionary. Nehru’s pettiness lost you Pakistan so please direct your guns at himRecommend

  • Salim Alvi

    they are breaking into Scotland Welsh etc. Pakistanis will have Bradford Abad & Londonabad. India will wipe out enslaving ideologies used by crooks and criminals in last 1600 years to make natives all over the world lose their roots, take alien Semitic names and be permanent slaves. That will be true role for India of freeing whole world.Recommend

  • Salim Alvi

    The facts which you don’t like are called imaginary. Jinah’s call for Calcutta killing, Jonah being lawyer for Khan of Kalat, his enticing Africa tribe to attack Cashmere are factsRecommend

  • Kamrul Miah

    I personally think Jinnah is rather over-rated as a leader [as are some of the Indian independence leaders in general]. However as a Bangladeshi I give my thanks to all concerned [both Bangladeshi/Bengali Muslim and non-Bangladeshi leaders] for easing the path to the creation of our own state.

    Talking about these kinds of things, like how the partition was a mistake, is easy when you are relatively free to say them. But you must always remember that you have the relative freedom in the first place because others before you fought for it. It would be easy for some Indians today, looking at the state their country is currently in, to say that India was better off under the British [I’ve heard many say that it was more stable and orderly; if they had a more equal political system apparently it would have been more well-managed. So goes the notion]. This is because their ancestors fought for them to be free, and they have no common memory of how it was in the old days. This collective forgetting makes them yearn for a past that perhaps never existed.

    I don’t know what it was like on the Pakistani side, but on the Bengali side there was always a rather large amount of discrimination against Muslims in the education and business sector. The excuses were many e.g. “Muslims don’t like to study” etc. Hindu elites kept growth restricted to Calcutta, and retained a stranglehold on top educational posts. Obviously they got a head start from the British, where upper-caste elites could maintain clerical jobs, whilst the largely rural Bengali Muslims were illiterate peasants. The first partition of Bengal in 1905, went some way to remedying that. But economic growth in the majority Muslim East Bengal, and the proposed systems of education, frightened an outnumbered Hindu Brahmin elite, who did not wish to see their power [concentrated around Calcutta] eroded. Bengal was hastily stitched back together in 1911.

    In the end, this type of thing never benefits all members of a particular religious group or demographic equally. The remaining Muslims in India, heavily outnumbered, got royally shafted. Still, as a member of Bangladeshi Muslims, I say it was an ultimately necessary event and overall a happy one. You can stand making your own mistakes; but those forced upon you by others is insufferable. All these independence movements around the world are a testament to that human desire of wishing to make your own mistakes and learn from them yourself. Self-rule is king. It’s a question of working out who that “self” is.

    [Some] Pakistanis doubt this, because they are currently in a very dark place. But if Pakistan was stable and orderly, even with all the crushing poverty and external problems going on around them, would they feel the same way as this column is making out?Recommend

  • Kamrul Miah

    ≫ Please read the post you are criticizing. Jinnah is not being criticized for the way that Pakistan turned out. ≪

    I hope YOU re-read what the OP wrote, because he’s/she’s doing exactly that:
    ≫ the current Pakistan is indeed the result of Jinnah’s action ≪

    I don’t know in what clearer terms you wish to take it. According to the OP, Jinnah’s action[s] are directly to blame for the current state of Pakistan. In fact I’m baffled what else you think the OP was referring to when he/she made his/her statement.Recommend

  • Kamrul Miah

    ≫ progress of 180 million muslims who chose to be ruled by Hindus ≪

    Interesting way of putting it, I must say.Recommend

  • Rohan

    It is damage beyond repairRecommend

  • Rohan

    It’s a failed state, wake up smell the coffeeRecommend

  • Salim Alvi

    India brought more FDI than any other country in last 2 years. Modi is a very clean, corruption free PM. His popularity is 90%. India has economic growth rate more than China.Recommend

  • Salim Alvi

    Nehru was Discovering India in a wrong place. Just like Jinah Nehru was Anglo creation albeit little less. His grandpa was Daroga in Zafar’s Delhi municipality. His dad was picked up by Angelo’s as their stooge. Today India is getting rid of these parasitic people and Lutyenized Lootere.Recommend

  • Salim Alvi

    Nehru was an idiot. Gandhi was not lawyer though had eaten Barth meals in Lundon to get the bar at Law. His conscience did not allow to lie for crooks & criminals.Recommend

  • Salim Alvi

    When u get everything free and know that u have 6 months to live then pay does not matter and can indulge in such gimmickry.Recommend

  • Salim Alvi

    Taseer’s dad paid for the cot in which IL mudding was carried in his funeral. Ghost of I’m and Jinah’s mind is haunting you. You are worshipping a devil. Recommend

  • Salim Alvi

    Civilized Arabs don’t use dirty vulgar words like Aurat, which literally means one with dirty and stinking unmentionable private part. How does it compare to native Stri ie one who harmonizes 3 Gunas (satwa, rajas, tamas) to create beauty & harmony to sustain language. Urdu is darbari language of exploitation, debauchery and parasitic. It up roots the native convert.Recommend

  • Kasturi K

    Sorry to deflate your ego, it’s not a failed state as no international institute has declared it as such. Your saying does not count.Recommend

  • Salim Alvi

    When ConAngrez/Congress was evening debating club of Anglophone rich and beautiful in conventy accent, he was considered ambassador wagera. The moment it ceased to be that after the arrival of Gandhi and started uniting and involving common Indians, real Jinah came to light. This so called Indian settled finally in London. Came back on Churchill’s prodding and equally parasitic and confused Iqbal Sapru’s persuasion to delay India’s independence and to divide it.Recommend

  • Salim Alvi

    Nswab of Dhaka was Urdu speaking and not native Bangali is the reason. Urdu is exploitative darbari language imposed on natives and made to own it after conversion to Islam.Recommend

  • Salim Alvi

    Boudha weakened India because of which barbaric marauders from outside especially Islamic ones almost destroyed and brutalized Indians. Chinese also blame Boudhism for pacifism which made China weak and vulnerable to Mongol brutes. Gandhi was such Gautama Boudh & Mahavir Jaina. For purifying oneself Boudh & Jain are fine but for societal evil and protection of Dharma and nation need Rama, Krishna, Shivaji and now Modi. Iran also needs to go back to its native spirituality and give up Islam imposed on them. They tried to save native culture, language under the garb of Shiaism within Islam but one cannot sustain this chicanery too long. Natives all over the world need to give up fake Semiticism imposed on them, starting with taking alien meaningless Semitic names like Salim or Raabberrts.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    How is urdu doing in Bangladesh now? Must be a conspiracy behind urdu not getting its due in the land of Bengalis, is not it?

    Urdu is second only to Arabic, is not it?Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Your unbiased attitude has turned Pakistan into the heaven it is today.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    He was greater to you guys than he was to us but you hate him whereas he was too great a man for our liking.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    They are still around trying hard to make a living, how about you handing over Pakistan to them?Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Woww…history has been put in a pipe and then rolled upside down.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    You are spot on mate, this is exactly what Jinnah was.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    No wonder you find May 16 sour.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Your hatred has given you the nationality that you wear so proudly on your sleeves, you won’t realise it because hating a non Muslim is a norm for you.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Sir take a break, the more you speak the more you expose your limited knowledge of history.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Yes it is indeed interesting but that is where it stops unlike some other countries.Recommend

  • LS

    yeah forget the native people but reward the oppressors, marauders and killers… While pakis apply random logic like “self-determination” (not understanding what that even means) and what not to justify the division.. not that we are regretting that fact today.. It is more like a case of good riddance.Recommend

  • LS

    What does fairly mean in democracy? All had same rights.. Muslims were not a special breed then, they are not a special breed today.Recommend

  • LS

    “Protect Muslim Interest” — What you forget is that in a democracy you cannot treat one community different from another, give them special privileges based on religion, ethnicity, gender or race.

    http://web.stanford.edu/~ldiamond/iraq/WhaIsDemocracy012004.htm

    4th Point: Rule of Law applies to all citizens equally, there by a segment of population cannot be favored against other just because they are Muslims. This is NOT duplicity, there are basic tenets of democracy. INC also rejected similar request from BR Ambedkar who wanted reservation in legislative assembly for Dalits. What Jinnah wanted was duplicity. He quit INC once he realized that Mr. Gandhi and Mr. Nehru have taken the lime-lite away from him and he returned to England only to be persuaded back by leaders of Muslim League (basically acquired a new client, to fight their case of getting a new country) when they had lost their previous elections miserably.

    Maybe pakistan needs to understand what democracy means before they talk about “Interest of Muslims”.Recommend

  • LS

    Since how long “Dead Meat” or “Unholy meat” war is going on in Pakistan? I would say 1947?Recommend

  • LS

    Yet you fail to recognize that Hindus and Minorities are randomly killed, kidnapped, forced to marry, constitutionally oppressed, called to killed with the cries of “Wazibul Qatal”.. happens everyday! Let alone desecration of their places of prayer or people getting rid of their minority rivals in the name of Blasphemy apart from being targeted by bully-pulpit as well as terrorists… in great pakistan..Recommend

  • LS

    Your law prohibits both selling and consumption of PORK!! I guess you don’t know your own laws?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_P3Y42amyk

    What you call rant is the reality… not hatred.. J&K is a terrorist heaven and we all know who gives them training, material support, attacked them on 6th October 1947, 1965, 1999 and today claim they are their biggest supporters!! Duplicitous? While you are quick to point out J&K you conveniently forgot about your own human rights violations in AJK, GB, FATA, KP and Baluchistan. That is the reason Pakistan was KICKED OUT of UN Human Rights Commission last year…

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/981386/pakistan-loses-unhrc-re-election-seat/

    As I previously mentioned degree of freedom in Indian Kashmir is more than whole of Pakistan and certainly more than AJK and GB..

    See here: https://www.freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/freedom-world-2016

    You guys like to live in your own bubbles but reality in your own country is different than what you think it is.. and lastly there is no international conspiracy to defame pakistan… there never was… for defaming you need fame.Recommend

  • Haroon

    And you forget that half if not more of the body count was caused by Hindus and Sikhs as a direct result of the partition of Bengal and Punjab (sponsored by the Congress/ ML wanted the provinces wholesale).Recommend

  • Shakir Lakhani

    There were no jute mills in BD before 1947 (just as in West Pakistan, which practically had no industries). The first jute mill in East Bengal was set up by Memons (Adamjee jute mills) after partition. The one mistake Jinnah made was declaring that Urdu would be the national language (and he said it in Dhaka), without considering the fact that Bengalis were in a majority in the country. He also said at the time that disruptive forces were trying to destroy Pakistan by saying that the new country could never exist with the two wings being so far from each other. I have often felt that Pakistan would have remained united if the original Lahore Resolution had been implemented, according to which it would have been a confederation of states. In fact, Mujeeb’s six points would have resulted in a confederation of two states, but our leaders were not mature enough to accept this radical proposition.Recommend

  • Rohan

    Just because you say it isn’t doesn’t mean it isn’t.Check the failed states ranking, Pakistan always in top 10Recommend

  • Humayun

    Have you done even basic research? The Unionists sided with the Congress for the majority of their tenure up until partition…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unionist_Party_%28Punjab%29

    ” Sir Sikandar Hayat Khan remained the Punjab’s Premier (Chief Minister) from 1937 to 1942, in alliance with the Indian National Congress and the Shiromani Akali Dal despite Jinnah’s opposition to both parties”

    What is this nonsense about the ML and the Unionists, when facts are indeed the opposite of what you are saying. It was the Congress which sided with the Unionists/ Feudals…Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Funny mate, did you expect the partition to not create the mayhem it did, the question is who asked for partition and how and the answer is settled a long time back for the Indians and the rest of the world, you may continue to create your own history.

    You blame the Congress for not giving provinces wholesale as if you went to a fish market and did not get the entire fish but only a share of it.Recommend

  • Kasturi K

    Or wasn’t up to the mark to stand in the court let alone stand for anyone. Was that the reason he needed the support of women to walk in late age instead of men? I wonder!Recommend

  • Kasturi K

    Going back over your words now , doing flip flops, trying to look intellegent. Aren’t we? Poor Indians!Recommend

  • Kasturi K

    In the ranking of a failed state? Which list are you looking at? Oh I got it, it is your wish list. If wishes were horses, Indians with their hatred for Pakistan, would be the first to ride.Recommend

  • Kasturi K

    Indians are always talking off the mark, side tracking the mean issue and spinning tales like Bollywood movies. If wishes were horses then Indians with their hatred for Pakistan and Muslims would be the first to ride.Recommend

  • Salim Alvi

    British lost the empire not just because they were weakened by the war, but because they lost the Indian Army’s support by the end of it, which was their instrument of control. That’s what the impact of the INA mutiny was, to show that the British could raise this massive Army, but that it could turn on them too. People like Churchill had even questioned the expansion of the Indian Army and said: “Someday it is going to shoot us in the back”.
    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/british-lost-empire-as-they-lost-our-armys-support-srinath-raghavan/article8455639.eceRecommend

  • Salim Alvi

    They were not one but 4.5. Half is Gandhi-Nehru ConAngrezis. Rest four are very famous ones. In real today’s dollars they poured more than $1 Trillion in your bowl in last 70 years. For common people it is blood money. Their kids were the cannon fodder but for Defence & Clifton residents it was real bakshish.Recommend

  • Salim Alvi

    Mohan Bhai was not the reason for independence of India. But … British lost the empire not just because they were weakened by the war, but because they lost the Indian Army’s support by the end of it, which was their instrument of control. That’s what the impact of the INA mutiny was, to show that the British could raise this massive Army, but that it could turn on them too. People like Churchill had even questioned the expansion of the Indian Army and said: “Someday it is going to shoot us in the back”.

    Mohan Bhai like Buddha weakened India. You need to worry about jernails & kernails who deal in tankers and Jinah like Lundonabadi Immy darling likes containers.

    AMY GOODMAN: —to the issue that you allege, that the Saudi government was—was funding Osama bin Laden—

    SEYMOUR HERSH: Absolutely.

    Quote:

    AMY GOODMAN: —in Abbottabad, in Pakistan.

    SEYMOUR HERSH: The Saudi government was funding—we got him in ’06. We learned about him in 2010. We killed him—we murdered him, really, in 2011. And the Saudis, for those years didn’t—the Pakistanis did not tell us, because the first person they told that they—when they got him, through the ISI in ’06, and put him in Abbottabad, they may—the first people they told were the Saudis. Why? Because the Saudis paid a lot of money to the two generals, and to others, perhaps, to keep it quiet, to keep it from us. They did not want us getting to bin Laden and talking to him. And I can tell you, since I’ve written that—I learned that from Americans—I’ve learned from ISI people that one of the ways they move money is they send tankers to us. They send—the Saudis would send tankers of oil to the Pakistanis for resale. You can reflag any ship on the ocean. It’s an easy way to move money around. You can change ownership from Pakistani to Pakistani—from Saudi to Pakistani on the high sea.

    Quote:

    AMY GOODMAN: Twenty seconds.

    SEYMOUR HERSH: So, anyway, it’s a story we didn’t want to push too far publicly. But we actually—we were never supposed to announce the killing in Pakistan. They were supposed to take the body out, take it to the Hindu Kush mountains, and a day—a week or so later, announce that we killed him in a drone raid. And what the president did that night, because of political pressure, because of the worries about waiting a week—maybe somebody else would tell the story—he jumped ahead. It was re-election night. I guess any president would do that. But he did jump ahead. And he left Pasha and Kayani—

    AMY GOODMAN: Five seconds.

    SEYMOUR HERSH: He left our two generals, the two generals in charge of the bombs, hanging. Not a good thing to do.

    AMY GOODMAN: Seymour Hersh, I want to thank you for being with us. We’ll continue this conversation, post it online at democracynow.orgRecommend

  • Ramchand

    Here is the Hindu under a Muslim name. Bad grammar
    bad spelling, bad syntax and wrong info.Recommend

  • Patwari

    Say, you are frothing at the mouth! In your hatred for
    Muslims and Pakistan. Which is, what you are showcasing
    to the world. Your subconscious pathetic release for 1200 years of Muslim Rule. Keep it up. This need to be read and seen.Recommend

  • Patwari

    They don’t need to read the UN resolution. They know it
    by heart. It is the Hindustani fantasies that are preventing
    a peaceful resolution. Even your Saffron Lord is just good
    for saber rattling and giving severe wize like hugs to world
    leaders and his perpetual selfies. And wife abandonment?
    Oh! Jashodeben Chimenlal? Shows the flawed misogynist
    character of the leader of 2 billion Hindus
    A country like yours beaten and trashed 3 times by a country
    1/3 it’s size, need to seriously THINK. What is Bharat missing?
    It’s the people!! Indians never had the courage, the moxie,
    to win ANYTHING. Or do anything, It’s just bluster and posturing and endless jabbering. All of this is defined as
    Bunya Culture…..karma.Recommend

  • R

    Same man who was defined as a ‘ half naked fakir ‘ by
    Winston Churchill. Also, Churchill refused to meet him.
    [Churchill knew India and Indians thoroughly. He was
    stationed in India for years, when he was in the army,
    as a young subaltern.]Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Nice one for a rant, what’s the point though?Recommend

  • Rohan

    It’s Pakistanis who hate India and check this link http://m.businessinsider.in/the-25-most-failed-states-on-earth/articleshow/21037981.cms
    Hope you’re literate enough to readRecommend

  • fze

    Don’t give your own spin to the tale. It says probability of failing . Hope you understand that much of English. South Sudan, Somalia and Congo, the top 3 are definite failures. Recommend

  • Salim Alvi

    what flip flop? Jinah was lawyer of rich clients, waned to rent Malbar Hill exclusively to European. Like Mush, Zardadi & Nawaj runs to London… Nothing has changed,Recommend

  • Salim Alvi

    Anglos used Mohan Bhai to delay their departure and dividing the country. He weakened India just as Gautam Buddha’s teaching or wrong interpretation of them weakened India.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Nehru publically spoke about Land Reforms for the first time in 1929 in front of the entire Congress. He wrote books from jail details his ideas for India.
    Jinnah hasn’t uttered a single word towards Land Reforms, the biggest social issue faced by entire India, still faced by Pakistan today.
    Stop hiding behind Jinnah’s short existence after Independence. 1 year is plenty of time to say “Land Reforms shall be implemented in Pakistan”. He had time to say so many other things.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Congress allied with everyone. Including Muslim League at one point. Gandhi and Nehru didn’t want to distance anyone. They were in constant communication with the Ahrars and the Hindu Mahasabha at the same time. Your point is absolutely worthless.
    Nehru, not for a single second agreed that Land Reforms would NOT be implemented. He has written entire books on his idea of India. He was clear: India has to be a Centralized, Secular, Democratic Republic with immediate implementation of Land Reforms.
    Nehru first spoke about Land Reforms for the first time in 1929 when he became the President of Congress, in his very first speech. When the Unionists realized Nehru’s mind cannot be changed, they went to the warm embrace of Jinnah. Jinnah was only happy to oblige.
    Get some perspective, my friend.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    The only difference is Nehru and Gandhi were pro-Land Reforms, anti-British occupation and were pro-Democracy. The first thing Jinnah did was remove Bacha Khan’s Govt just because he could.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Pakistan broke in half in 24 years. It didn’t even reach its silver jubilee.
    Pakistan is Pakistan by name only. The larger part of Pakistan, which is now named Bangladesh, broke away from the smaller part. First time in history that a majority have claimed independence from the minority.
    Why did Pakistan fail? Because Jinnah decided Urdu will be its official language. So, Jinnah is responsible for the creation of Pakistan and its destruction.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    How did we sow seeds for that, Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Can you please name Nehru’s Grandfather?Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    First. Read your own Justice’s report on the Bangladeshi genocide. Justice Hamoodar Rehman is a Pakistan justice appointed by Bhutto to probe the genocide of Bengalis by the Pakistani Army.

    http://www.bangla2000.com/bangladesh/Independence-War/Report-Hamoodur-Rahman/default.shtm
    Indian media leaked this report(Thank you very much), because you guys didn’t want to.

    I don’t think any Indian here is denying India supported the Mukti Bahini. But, we didn’t push all those Bengali refugees into India, who in turn turned into the Freedom Force, your Army did.

    They had to take refuge in India because you guys butchered, raped and killed Bengalis for months! India, after your foolish adventures of 1965, was waiting to get back at Pakistan and you delivered the opportunity to our doorstep. 3 million Bengalis killed by your Army, say the Bangladeshis.

    Today Bangladesh is a prosperous country than Pakistan, which has some hope, even though it has a Muslim majority. All thanks to India and Jinnah, of course.Recommend

  • Humayun

    Jinnah actually had to forcefully disband the Unionist’s ministry. An act which led to riots by Hindus and Sikhs. Your entire viewpoint regarding the Unionists is flawed. Accepting your view that they were landed feudals would actually reflect pretty badly on the Congress considering they had an alliace with them for a long time that spanned mulitiple elections.

    The breakdown occurred after Direct action when Sikh-Muslim-Hindu relations crumbled. I fail to see any evidence regarding the issue of land reforms.

    Nehru may have been a communist sympathiser (thus his calls for wealth redistribution) but the rest of the Congress was much more pragmatic as can be seen by their alliance with the unionists.Recommend

  • Rohan

    Pakistan is worse than those 3 combined, as per chaudhary nisar you have 212 terrorist orgsRecommend

  • Salim Alvi

    MohMad Bedouini and his book who were used by all kinds of criminals, crooks, drug peddlers and addicts, as a licence to rape, plunder, kill and enslave 100s of Millions from Africa (remember Darfur) to Philippines. Japan is progressing because there is no Islam. China is progressing because there is no Islam in China. India will progress when Islam disappears from India. Whatever progress India is making because it is Hindu/Dharmic. The moment it becomes 25% or more Muslim, you are staring at sickly Bangal and Kerala. When India becomes majority Muslim, you are staring at barbaric, lawless and utterly criminal empire of AfPak.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    The proof of the pudding is in the eating!

    Unionists wanted something, they didn’t get it from Congress. They got it from Muslim League!

    In a Democracy you ally with different parties for electoral gains. That doesn’t mean you compromise your core ideals. I forgive you for not knowing how Democracy works. Pakistanis are not exactly experts in Democracy.

    You can’t produce a single quote from Jinnah where is pro-Land Reform, before NOR after creation of Pakistan.

    I can produce multiple quotes from Nehru saying Land Reforms would be brought in, Feudalism is a curse and whatnot. Its a major theme in Nehru’s writing. This is completely absent with Jinnah. Nehru never changed his mind, nor he stopped condemning Feudalism.

    Here is one example: “I must frankly confess that I am a socialist and a republican, and am no believer in kings and princes, or in the order which produces the modern kings of industry, who have greater power over the lives and fortunes of men than even the kings of old, and whose methods are as predatory as those of the old feudal aristocracy…Real relief can only come by a great change in the land laws and the basis of the present system of land tenure. We have among us many big landowners, and we welcome them. But they must realise that the ownership of large estates by individuals, which is the outcome of a state resembling the old feudalism of Europe, is a rapidly disappearing phenomenon all over the world. Even in countries which are the strongholds of capitalism the large estates are being split up and given to the peasantry who work on them. In India also we have large areas where the system of peasant proprietorship prevails, and we shall have to extend this all over the country.”
    This was in 1929! Nehru was a great man. A true visionary. He was rich, but he was sensitive to the issues affecting the common man. His love for India and its people ensured he spent 9 years in jail.
    I dare you to quote Jinnah condemning Feudalism or saying Land Reforms ought to be implemented. Just one.
    Unionists failed to change Nehru’s mind. As he says in his speech, they are welcome to join the Congress, but Land Reforms is the need of the hour. Your points are absolutely worthless. I want to speak to all – you, Islamists, Christians, Hindus, Athiests. I would love to work with them. But, I would never compromise my core ideals. Jinnah had no such ideals to begin with. He was no Nehru.Recommend

  • Humayun

    The Communist party in India actually supported the Pakistan demand and there were many socialists in the League.

    Nehru was not the Congerss and the Congress was not Nehru. He is actually (rightly) been criticized for his overzealous support for communism.

    What I want to know is that if the Congress can ally with who they want for their gain then why can’t the ML? Why the double standards?

    The fact of the matter is that your entire argument is based on a faulty premise. It was the Congress and not the League that were the Unionists biggest supporters (and thus indirectly of feudalism).

    The unionists broke up eventually, Hindu/Sikh members to the Congress and Muslim to the League but as usual, you have provided no evidence for your revisionist claims that the Unionist ministry broke down over the issue of Land reforms.Recommend

  • M.Saeed

    Quote: “The Nehru-Gandhi dynasty starts with the Indian Muslim man named GHIYASUDDIN GHAZI (word means “kafir-killer”). He was the Delhi City Kotwal (police officer) prior to the uprising of 1857, in the Mughal empire. After the uprising of 1857, British were Killing & Slaughtering Mughals, to eliminate any chance of Mughal ascendancy to the throne. In fear of execution, Ghiyasuddin Ghazi took up a new name Gangadhar Nehru. And so the Nehru dynasty started. Moti Lal Nehru was the son of Gangadhar Nehru. Jawaharlal Nehru was the grandson of Gangadhar Nehru. “Recommend

  • M.Saeed

    The writer should laugh at the Indian’s burning seat even after 69 years. Their wounds will never heal because Jinnah defeated their designs and their conspiracies with Mountbatten hands down. It is always better to smile them away and let their burning hearts continue smoldering to their own logical end.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    This quote is from a pro-Hindutva blog, genius. They hate the Congress, especially Nehru. This hate blog has just one entry and provides no sources. Some random blog you picked from the ocean called the Internet and presented it as irrefutable fact.. Whoa!
    You guys will stoop to any level, won’t you. You didn’t think I won’t Google what you quote, did you.. You picked the wrong my, my friend. I Google everything and verify it before I present it and verify all supposed “facts” you guys claim to present.
    Sorry.. Perhaps next time.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Why on Earth would a party of Feudals continue to ally with a party dedicated to the agenda of Land Reforms, which has a guy like Nehru as its President, who has written and spoken of implementing it?
    Jinnah has done none of this.
    You were the one to claim, not me, that Congress connived with Unionists. If yes, did Congress change its agenda of Land Reforms? Did Nehru change?
    US is a Pakistani ally. But, you guys clearly support Radical Islam in your neighbourhood but US doesn’t. This is Politics. I don’t get why you think Congress working with Unionists in the Political arena is such a bad thing.Recommend

  • PUSHKAR TYAGI

    1. Islam says it is the final word of God and it’s prophet is the last and the final one. What does that mean? Does this not invalidate other religions?? Also, if you had the ability to comprehend, you would have understood that i did not say that you said that muslims are superior.
    2. Every language grows by adopting words from other languages. The presence of one arabic word hajj does not make the whole sentence Urdu. The hindustani language adopted the word Hajj from arabic to describe what it is. English also has a lot of borrowed words from latin, greek, arabic, sanskrit.. so when they are used in a sentence, you can’t say that the sentence is in latin, greek, arabic or sanskrit. I hope you get this.
    3. My POV about what you are doing with your languages reflects what your media says about you. So don’t blame me. It is well documented in books, articles and essays which are out in the open for the world to see.
    4. My education system is not perfect but at least it does not corrupt my thinking about other religions and races like yours does. Enough said.Recommend

  • Kushal

    Not trying to deflect anything. Just seeking answers from you which you didnot have. Shows who has lost tracks.Recommend