Why Pakistan should focus on Iran’s CPEC entry rather than fighting India

Published: September 13, 2015
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Iranian labourers work on a section of a pipeline - adorned with Iranian (L) and Pakistan (R) flags PHOTO: AFP

Iranian labourers work on a section of a pipeline - adorned with Iranian (L) and Pakistan (R) flags
PHOTO: AFP Adviser to Prime Minister on National Security and Foreign Affairs shakes hands with Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif in Islamabad on August 13, 2015. 
PHOTO: PID

It doesn’t take a genius to understand that trading blocks and economic alliances rather than geo-political rivalries and deadlocks are the key ingredients of success in the modern-day world. Gone are the days when building military might and muscle would enhance the prestige of nations or make them stand head and shoulders above the rest. The evolution of European Economic Community (EEC) into a prosperous European Union (EU) and the transformation of South East Asian economies into a formidable Asian Tigers unit only go to show that economics trump over politics.

Without digressing much, Pakistan’s recent offer to Iran to join the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) is nothing but a heartening development. By heartening one is not implying anything persuasively or melodramatically emotional but a realistically prudent measure that essentially, if it comes to fruition with Iran deciding to join the organisation/corridor, would help overcome a few hurdles along with opening up opportunities for the teeming regional millions.

So what’s in it for Pakistan?

What will the possible inclusion of Iran in the CPEC framework mean to Islamabad’s economic and strategic interests? Pakistan needs friends. Having refused military assistance to the Arabs this past spring, it is unceremoniously exiting the good books of its ‘brethren’. It became obvious that the Arabs had unfriended Pakistan when the UAE foreign minister criticised Islamabad for staying out of the conflict – a statement that kicked up a massive social media storm, and secondly when the Arabs hit back by signing a $75 billion ‘infrastructure’ deal with India – a deal that many believe could have gone Pakistan’s way had its leadership decided to fight the Houthis.

Moving on, Iran’s inclusion in CPEC will help Pakistan in a number of ways. One, Iran’s re-entry into the active international fold after the recent lifting of sanctions bodes well for Islamabad. For Iran, there’s no looking back. Trade and economic representatives from all over the world are scrambling to Tehran to woo Iran to do business with them. Analysts are predicting a turnaround of fortunes for the Iranians as well as transformation of the oil market mechanistic dynamics.

For Pakistan, Iran’s resurgence is nothing but good news, especially as far as the long forgotten Iran-Pakistan pipeline project is concerned. There is now a reason to believe that some progress will be made in the changed set of circumstances.

Moreover, this could be the moment of truth that Pakistan can possibly utilise to alleviate Iran’s age-old grievance of fanning sectarian strife and Sunni extremism in the Iranian areas that border Balochistan. Iranians are tough cookies when it comes to diplomacy and negotiation. The world witnessed the astuteness with which Foreign Minister Javad Zarif was able to talk it out with the Western powers and navigate a nuclear deal that pretty much gave the Iranians the much needed breathing space that they’d been looking for for decades. By aligning itself effectively with Iran, the benefits that Iran will end up deriving on account of the absence of sanctions can be passed on to Pakistan.

Additionally, the fact that Pakistan has been under the influence of deadly Wahhabism for eons now, those shackles may possibly be loosened if not completely broken now. Iranians are, by outlook, a much moderate genre of people compared to the Arabs. One can hope that the Ayatollahs take a chill pill and let Iranians be themselves, the way they were in the Shah’s time, liberal and unfettered by religious extremism. That moderation can certainly have a trickledown effect on those Pakistanis who have adopted radical views of faith.

Although the Chinese have been leery of a nuclear deal with Tehran, Beijing now seems enthusiastic in letting Iran get on with the proceedings in the post-sanctions world. There are plenty of infrastructure related opportunities that Iran offers and with Tehran now keen on mobilising its people and businesses across borders, the Chinese will be equally anxious to grasp whatever comes their way.

Iran and China are both wary of the ISIS and the Wahhabi menace. Their interests truly converge by virtue of each having to deal with extreme Islam in one way or the other.

Many have argued that the Indians wouldn’t necessary like the idea of Iran joining CPEC – a perception that doesn’t hold water. To my mind, India has completely flown out of the mind-set whereby it would have serious jealously issues with Pakistan. Whereas it is absolutely understandable that it is difficult for Pakistanis to realise that India is in a different league now, one that is characterised by success in economic terms instead of parochial geo-political concerns.

India has its bases well-covered. It’s on the right side of most, if not all, major international players and has made its mark as an important world economic power. It is on account of its goodwill that UAE had no hesitation inviting Prime Minister Narendra Modi to ink the historic bilateral agreement and effectively ditch Pakistan in favour of India.

Gone are the days of hobnobbing and tinkering. It’s all about numbers now. India is more concerned about feeding the mouths of millions of hungry souls out on the streets and slums of its mega cities that need basic necessities of life. The emphasis now is on surpassing China and other emerging powers in the sphere of economic development – a progressive pattern of thinking which is right in line with the changing times that we find ourselves in.

The UAE-India agreement language was interesting. It seemed someone constructed, the agreement with Pakistan’s terrorism issue in mind. There was a constant mention of coordinating ‘efforts to counter radicalisation and misuse of religion by groups and countries for inciting hatred, perpetrating and justifying terrorism or pursuing political aims’. To me, at least, this was nothing less than an ‘ouch’ moment. I thought this could have been worded differently to make the language sound less pinching for Pakistanis. Rubbing salt on one’s wounds is all I could think of.

I’m writing this piece on the day when we in America are remembering those who lost their lives on the fateful morning of September 11, 2001. The day brings back sombre memories and reminds us that aggression never pays and while Pakistan is trapped in its insecurities vis-à-vis geographical integrity and religious beliefs, for someone as gullible as me, the CPEC offer to Iran is a great development. It could become a historical turning point, provided Pakistanis and Iranians stay focused and work on human priorities, build infrastructures, and learn from China’s global success.

Having said that, let’s not celebrate too prematurely. The journey is painstakingly long. While the first step is the hardest, patience, perseverance and persuasiveness will be the critical factors in turning a well-intentioned strategic move into a super-duper success story.

Ahson Saeed Hasan

Ahson Saeed Hasan

The writer is a proud American, a peacenik who has traveled well over 80 countries and lived in four continents. He likes to share his experiences and reflect on the worldly surroundings. He tweets @tweetingacho (twitter.com/tweetingacho)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Ahsan

    While I agree with the assertion that Pakistan should focus on economics, I disagree with your presumption that Pakistan is interested in fighting India. That naturally comes when you try to analyze Pakistan through Washington’s lens.

    Pakistan had effectively moved on from Anti-India mindset. Just compare the election campaigns on both sides of the border in last elections which gives an important perspective on what people wanted to listen from their prospective rulers. Pakistan’s forces are busy on western border and had no interest in engaging on the eastern border. But immediately after Modi’s takeover, the border has flared up while Pakistanis are reminded everyday how India is working to isolate Pakistan from the world.

    We Pakistanis have enough on our plate. Tell us what you are doing sitting in Washington about improving Pakistan’s perception.Recommend

  • Gratgy

    No one talks about Pakistan in election campaigns in India. Your newspapers pick up selective statements from nobodies and print them to get a feeling of self importance. Look at this paper, every day you have an article about Modi and your papers remind you everyday how India is working to isolate you. Your papers pick up obscure events in India which do not even make it to Indian newspapers. In fact Pakistan is hardly ever mentioned in Newspapers in India
    You even went hysterical over some has been actor saying something. Recommend

  • DK

    CPEC is a river of molten gold that will flow down from China into Pakistan. China desperately needs to share its wealth and has identified Pakistan as its best ally. Smart Pakistanis will find a spot along the CPEC highway and be the first to enrich themselves. Bring lots of buckets.Recommend

  • Arsalan Zaheer

    i don’t understand why pakistan would become upset with UAE india deal.we have no problems with UAE neither we consider UAE as a strong arab country.saudis and egyptians are considered strong economical and military powers,keeping israel away from arabs.we have no problems with saudis.when modi was complaining to take action against dawood ibrahim assets in arab, saudi king termed it as a conspiracy against pakistan.you have written this article to show to the world that india is more powerful and arabs hate pakistan but this is not reality.who cares about UAE? we have china in our friend list and now russia has termed us important allies.i don’t even consider UAE,an important part of arab.whatever they are doing with indians,is business.have you seen the villages and how indians are dying their in horrible situations? you seemed to me like an indian more than a muslim.unfortunately most of the muslims in america are paid well to write against muslims of arab and asia.russia will soon release papers related to 9/11 CIA drama,much to your discomfort.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Nonsense.

    Your assumptions are: a) Pakistan is not instigating LoC violations. b) anti-Pakistani slogans can win you elections in India, even gain votes.

    a) LoC violations were happening before Modi came to power. We all remember the statements of Rehman Malik. If you look at ET or DAWN archives, the violations occurred mostly during Summer or just before the dawn of winter.

    LoC violations must happen for a reason. Remember it is India which has built a electrified border fence with round the clock monitoring, NOT Pakistan. India fears infiltration from Pakistan, which happens when Pakistani Rangers give cover fire for infiltrators to sneak in.

    India’s vigil will be disrupted if there is LoC firing. India’s current strategy is to make LoC cover fire very costly to Pakistan. India can afford to spend its money and has spare resources for the LoC, Pakistan is in a bad situation over all and is stretched thin. That is why you see extensive push-back along the LoC.

    b) If anti-Pakistan statements can win you elections why isn’t every politician doing it? Why has BJP been out of power for the past decade?

    The common voter only cares about local and national issues. Same as in Pakistan. At least we have functioning Democracy.Recommend

  • vivek

    Iranian’s are great thinkers,they will not forget what good Taliban did to their diplomats in Majari sheriff in Afghanistan. The second largest Shia population in the world after Iran is India so If it come to them India or Pak , it’s India.When under sanctions India imported oil from them and again when all banking sectors were closed to them India started their Rupee account and gave them food,medicines etc,what Pak did at this time of crisis nothing.The Iranian aim is to build the pipeline not to Pakistan but extend it to India where it can export 10 times more gas what Pakistan needs and also know’s that for India there is no need to beg for money from others to execute this line.Recommend

  • UvWx Yz

    After reading the whole article i found not a single thing related to the Iran getting any benefit from joining CPEC. Only thing mentioned again n again is UAE-India deal. So while writing this piece you should have mentioned how iran will benefit from joining CPEC e.g establishing refinery at gawadar to send it oil to china through oil pipeline and also a possible deal for gas pipeline from iran to china through CPEC. Other possible avenue is trade not only to china but also to central asian countries through CPEC as Afghanistan route will be unstable for unseen period of time. Rest of the deals would be more of military not related to CPEC. But Pakistan could benefit in term of greater trade with iran along the IP project. CPEC can also open route for china to other linking state with iran e.g turkey.Recommend

  • Humza

    The author is unfortunately either very naive or purposely ignoring the reality that India has tried its level best to stop the China Pakistan Economic Corridor. India is still obsessed with Pakistan and is actively involved in fomenting trouble through its agents working from Afghanistan. By contrast, Pakistan has moved on and the only issue of contention is occupied Kashmir. No less a figure than the US Defense Secretary Chuck Hegel is on record for revealing Indian involvement in cross border intrigue against Pakistan. The UAE and the other Arab nation states can do what they wish with India in terms of investment. That is their perogative alone and does not impact Pakistan in any real manner. The reality is that all nations do what is in their best interests. Despite the financial incentive it was not in Pakistan’s best interests to get involved in Yemen’s internal conflict and it was a strong reaffirmation of democracy that parliament discussed and decided against involvement. If the UAE wants to cozy up to India as a result, so be it but it’s great that Pakistan is doing what is best for itself. The language of the UAE’s agreement with India mentioning terrorism is laughable coming from an Arab state and the UAE will learn only soon enough what type of political partner they have in India. You may argue that India is in a different economic league but don’t underestimate the deep rooted problems of India which no amount of “Make in India” hype can counter. The Indians may be better than Pakistan in projecting their nation as a place to invest but they haven’t fooled many serious players in the world. Several of my business friends from the West were quickly disillusioned the moment they landed in India after all the hype they heard. Modi has not been able to put a postive spin on his lacklustre performance to date.Strange to see a US based writer not know better.Recommend

  • Bairooni Haath

    That should work. Iranians hate Pakistan more than the Indians or the AfghansRecommend

  • Bana Post

    “Pakistan had effectively moved on from Anti-India mindset.”- bull sh**t. Modi came to power on assurance of good,corrupt free governance and anti congress waves. Not as you r perception ” what people wanted to listen from their prospective rulers.” Mr Modi is nothing doing with u r flourishing economy. “Pakistan had effectively moved on from Anti-India mindset.”-Recommend

  • Bana Post

    “Pakistan had effectively moved on from Anti-India mindset.” Nothing but bogus. “Just compare the election campaigns on both sides of the border in last elections” Modi came to power on good corruption and free governance not on anti muslim sentiments. Mr Modi has nothing doing with Pakistan’s flourishing economy.Recommend

  • Saud Bin Farooq

    I really enjoyed the writers self acceptance that the “pinch” in the UAE India agreement points to Pakistan… Yet not to mention the RSS in India or even how there more Indians working in the Middle East than Pakistanis which prompted this, the UAE didn’t ditch Pakistan, we didn’t send boots to do their bit of “counter” terrorism is Yamen.. This is something which was expected and frankly speaking not of that importance to us, all thats left now is to realign our ties with Russia and we’re well set to build this nation once again. Recommend

  • mimi sur

    Hmm..But we rarely care about this gas pipelines. India has plans to produce renewable energy in abundance to cut dependency on middle-east . Now all most all Indian major cities have introduced metro systems run by electricity . Solar and Wind parks are being installed in light speed .Gov is distributing LEDs at subsidized rate .You can say, We will need petrol and gas for next 20 years, then we have to come to sun and Wind. And Mr. Modi is proactive in this .Recommend

  • Headstrong

    But it is not strange for commentators to attack a writer if his views do not perfectly align with theirs.
    1. Who is obsessed with whom is perfectly reflected in the media columns of both countries. On any given day, ANY, count the number of articles on India in your news, and count the number of articles on pakistan in Indian newspapers. That might give you a clue.
    2. CPEC – India has never even raised the issue with pakistan. Don’t flatter yourself – you’re not the issue here. India has raised it with China as China objects to Indian presence in the ‘disputed’ waters of SCS. Just paying them back in their own coin. We can’t stop you from gifting away Gwadar and your business interests, you’re free to commit hara-kiri.
    3. Chuck Hagel’s statement was well before he became Secretary for Defence. He certainly changed his tune thereafter, didn’t he? And, while we’re talking of “no less a figure”, do study David Cameron and Hillary Clinton’s statements too. One is “no less” that a sitting PM, the other was “no less” a Secretary of State, and a potential future President. Cherry picking statements may win you some brownie points, but certainly no one is fooled.
    4. Modi’s performance is anything but lack lustre – your “business friends” are probably telling you what you want to hear. Do check what they do behind your back – probably making a beeline to find investment opportunities in India. By no means is Modi claiming that everything he’s done is successful – but in 18 months he has certainly built up enough confidence within India and without that we have reason to be optimistic. Either way, we make do without handouts, which is more than can be said of you people.
    Recommend

  • Gratgy

    “have you seen the villages and how indians are dying their in horrible situations?”

    Lol! Have you?Recommend

  • Gratgy

    “have you seen the villages and how indians are dying their in horrible situations?”

    Lol! Have you?Recommend

  • Parvez

    On the Pak – Iran pipe line your views make sense.
    On the India – UAE agreement regarding countering terror activity, I feel you have misread it….remember that the UN has in a report named the UAE as a state that provides funding to religious militants abroad…..possibly it was worded with the view to curtail this.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    So as for your analysis a Muslim cannot be an Indian and all Muslims must agree with your idea of all that is Muslim in the world. Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    You need to speak of RSS because the world talks of Hafiz Saeed and LeT which you have no response to, so you think of countering it with by talking about RSS, the issue is RSS has not killed a single westerner rather it’s political associate is highly pro west, the world does not share most of your concerns because they don’t want to go as wrong as you have.

    Pakistan being an ally of Russia or for that matter any country other than China is laughable, You need to have leverage in a relationship in international diplomacy and you have none in any of your relationships including that of China, You are confusing nuisance value to strategic importance and leverage. Recommend

  • Usman

    Who told you that?? They seriously have no problem with us and I’m a witness of this.Recommend

  • Simla

    He can see a bit more clearly probably because he is outside Pakistan.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Yes it is all about projecting and Pakistan is dealing with fools from America’s to Asia Pacific who are willing to buy Indian success story, the only intelligent people are the Chinese who have kept all their eggs in your basket or so you believe, ever asked the Chinese why do they invest in your country while the entire world is scared to he’ll to even step into the land of pure; you may continue to wait until the fools of this world join the league of intelligent. Recommend

  • Headstrong

    pakistan is routinely mentioned in such reports. “Charitable” organisations there are proscribed. David Cameron has stated on record that 90% of the world’s terrorism can be traced back to pakistan. Hillary Clinton has written in her book “Hard Choices” that pakistan breeds snakes in their backyard, which are now coming home to roost, if I may be allowed to mix metaphors. Are cherries grown in pakistan that commentators from there so often pick them?Recommend

  • Headstrong

    “you seemed to me like an indian more than a muslim” – there goes your credibility!Recommend

  • Milind A

    “I disagree with your presumption that Pakistan is interested in
    fighting India. That naturally comes when you try to analyze Pakistan
    through Washington’s lens.Pakistan had effectively moved on from Anti-India mindset”
    Recommend

  • Milind A

    Unless you were born yesterday, you will often read cross-border raids in your Balochistan, by Iranian revolutionary guards looking for Jundullah militants – one of the many troublemaker groups, you continue to host.Recommend

  • Sane

    India has done its best to save its ‘investment’ in Afghanistan and Baluchistan, but failed miserably. PCEC (Pakistan China Economic Corridor) is a nightmare for India. Indians are trying their best to sabotage this, but are failing and shall fail.Recommend

  • Bana Post

    Dont cry What u got in your state to sabotaged by the Indians.The process of down fall had already been commenced.Do have any fine tuned system in u r HOLY STATE. Mere one project PCEC is not going to bring flufh and blood to u r ailing economy.Recommend

  • Parvez

    Classic knee-jerk reaction…….you have a preformed opinion in your head about Pakistan and without reading carefully what I have said….you proceeded to unburden yourself.
    Recommend

  • Headstrong

    I thought I knew how to read ;-)
    I am countering your view on the UN report on UAE and thus the need to word the joint statement to counter it. I guess you didn’t get my point….Recommend

  • Raj

    This ummah story does not work my friend…….. a maloomi is a maloomi in Arab world…. So you and I have to go there for work and nothing else….the arabs will fall at the feet of white masters or colleagues but will treat an asian like a slave only……thats their culture…. please dont blame advanced muslim cultures like Iranians or asians who have some sense on account of Ijtehad !!!!!!!Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    This happened few months ago.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-says-militants-from-pakistan-killed-eight-border-guards-1428425641

    For the above, they routinely do this.

    http://www.dawn.com/news/1138622

    “Iranian border guards attacked a vehicle of Frontier Corps, a
    para-military force, inside Pakistani territory killing one FC man and
    injuring three others on Friday morning.”
    Wake up from your deep slumber.Recommend

  • Bana Post

    “We Pakistanis have enough on our plate.” haa ha ha haaa then why are u begging.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Chinese are giving you loans. You will have to hire Chinese companies to build infrastructure projects(which means the money will flow back to China) and you will have to pay back every dime!

    How will you generate the money to pay back the loans, when Chinese will refuse to pay overland rights for goods transported on the roads they will claim they funded in the first place?

    The only country which was giving you raw cash was US and you guys have effectively broken that trust. Thank god for that!Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Dude, Russia is in deep recession and will remain so for a long time.Recommend

  • syed & syed

    There is complete harmony between Sunnis and Shias. Iran is liberal but not allowing western style of living which, unfortunately, Pakistan is following nor a hard liner like Wahabis who attacked Yemen only for the reason that Yemenis were not ready to accept neo nazi type Islam of SaudisRecommend

  • Frank Mossman

    Including Iran in CPEC is indeed an excellent Idea, particularly if there are adequate transportation facilities from Gwadar to Iran. That would take out the wind from Indian sails as regards Charbahar. And, why stop at Iran ? Roping Turkey into the equation would allow passage of product & produce from China, Pakistan, Iran & Turkey into Europe (and vice versa) by rapid rail links, in addition to seaborne transportation from Gwadar.
    India is welcome to the UAE. The trajectory of oil prices (and hence the importance of the Arabian Gulf) is downwards. Is India willing to commit ground troops to Yemen? That is the crux of the issue, the acid test. If it will not, then this newfound bonhomie with the UAE will rapidly turn sour. If it does, then what will be the reaction of Iran ?
    If Trump gets into the White House then you can be sure that Indian expats in the US will start feeling the heat, and the long simmering resentment against them will boil into open hostility. This will affect their “nascent-superpower” status considerably.Recommend

  • loyalindian

    Pak-Iran have had historic brotherly relations since long. The specific Balochistan episode you mention the Iran guards retailiated for 6 hours and Pakistani side did not respond. Pak_iran border issues are not so major to threaten smooth relations. Furthermore border is being made more open for upcoming trade expected under lifting of Iran sanctions.Recommend

  • loyalindian

    Please dont try divide Muslim unity. Media gives you an impression due to which you are able to put forth such vulgar comments but on ground there is no enimity between Pakistanis and Iranis. So better stay away.Recommend

  • loyalindian

    Hillary also said that it is US who created AL-Qaeda and responsible for all the mess we have today. And yes it is on record just youtube it.Recommend

  • loyalindian

    You are not here to counter arguments but to have a productive discussion.Recommend

  • loyalindian

    Lol! Have you?Recommend

  • nitasha

    That is not true. I am an Indian and I have seen BJP continuously bullying Congress for being spineless against “Pakistani aggression”. You can say that election propaganda is different from what the BJP actually implements or focuses on as a ruling party. But inability in tackling Pakistan definitely was one of their criticisms of the UPA.Recommend

  • Humza

    In a free world, there is freedom of expression, even if the views expressed do not align with your Indocentric ones.
    1/ Just take a quick peek at the number of Indian commentators here or your own time spent to judge who is obsessed with whom. Yes on any given day, Indian bloggers and commentators will demonstrate their unhealthy obsession with Pakistan. When I see so many comments from India in support of a divergent view from a supposedly Pakistani writer, it only confirms the obvious.
    2/ If you think acting out in childlike fashion by running to China to demand that they pull the plug on the CPEC or warning Pakistan about its route isn’t childish then ask yourself why the Chinese and others would not dignify the acting out of Indian officials. India is not only obsessed with Pakistan but they are downright afraid which shows the true psyche of a nation that pretends to be the world’s largest democracy. Better still, it can be rightly called the world’s greatest kleptocracy given that over 5 billion dollars were spent on these recent elections. As for the business leaders and other lobbyists who spent coin on buying votes, let’s see if Modi rewards them any different than the Congress has been doing the last few years when the world openly mocked the corruption of Indian politicians giving away billions in telecom revenues and land deals!
    3/ Ever care to read Clinton’s words on Pakistan fighting the war on terror and the sacrifices made by the nation? Selective edits of Clinton’s or Cameron’s words can be countered by other words but your cherry picking is more specious.
    4/ As for Modi’s lacklustre “Make in India” campaign, let’s see where it takes you in a few years – my guess, where you are right now! It’s the biggest joke running.Recommend

  • Bibloo

    It is not Paks that have an aggressive stance. It is the Hindustanis
    who are a nation that runs on Hate. With ‘Chief Hatemonger’ Modi
    sitting on the India’s throne, not much can be done, in the
    forseeable future. When a large portion of the Hindu Deshis are
    disenfranchised, like the Dalits, the lower castes, the Bengalis, and
    the ethnic minorities like Ladahkhis, Keralites are considered non
    entities, then Hindu Desh is not much of a going concern is is?
    This is not even including the Muslims/Kashmiris. They are in a
    special designated class, mark for genocide.

    Since ET is a Hindu paper, doubt this comment will pass the
    Hindu moderators, slaving in the basement, by candlelight.Recommend

  • someone

    In my opinion, Pakistanis think that this corridor is some sort of Aladin’s lamp which is home of a Genie who is eager to fulfill the wishes of all the Pakistanis and Genie would do it in no time. This corridor would be one way traffic for Chinese goods to already flooded Pakistani market. Even for the Chinese goods going to middle east through Pakistan, Pakistan would not be able to charge too much as transit fee because Chinese would not like it. The greater purpose this route or Gawadar port would be the military one. Everyone knows that. Chinese navy would have its naval base here. Pakistan would be more than happy to have Chinese presence to counter Indian navy.Recommend

  • Headstrong

    Boy! They’ve really ramped up the propaganda out there, haven’t they? Recommend

  • Gratgy

    What is not true? We are talking about election campaigns and you are talking about Congress’ inability to handle Pakistan and criticism about its policies in the parliament. Whats the connection?Recommend

  • Gratgy

    Nope,.. give any link to Hillary Clinton statement or you are just lyingRecommend

  • Gratgy

    Iran looks down on Pakistanis, but then so do the rest of the worldRecommend

  • Headstrong

    1. Fully agree with your views on freedom of expression. Could that possibly explain the presence of us here? Strange that the obsession with India on your media qualifies as freedom of expression, but our comments do not!
    2. You obviously haven’t fully comprehended the diplomatic world of reciprocity. Ask yourself why India has not protested the CPEC to pakistan but to China. Ask yourself why ONGC is now moving into the Vietnemese oilfields offshore in the SCS. As for your views on kleptocracy, I shall not even deign to answer. Suffice to say, we don’t ‘pretend’ to be the world’s largest democracy, we are – unlike you people who pretend to be a democracy, but have an army who pretty much runs the country.
    3. Everybody’s praise of pakistan’s “sacrifices” in fighting the war on terror is tempered by the understanding that you pretty much brought your woes upon yourselves. It is you who pointed to Chuck Hagel’s statement, so who exactly is cherry picking here?
    4. Fortunately for us, we don’t have to go by your guesses. For what it’s worth, my guess is that a substantial amount of manufacturing will shift to India, and the % of GDP will rise from 15 to 22-23 in about 10 years.Recommend

  • Headstrong

    And the two are mutually exclusive? Recommend

  • Headstrong

    I agree with that, by the way. Doesn’t take away from the fact that her take on your snakes is also correct. Is it your view that she is correct on one, but not on the other? Recommend

  • Headstrong

    Acid test? Neither UAE nor the Sauds will ask India to commit troops there. They would only ask those nations who are already beholden to them for their largesse.
    And you really think that persuading Iran to join the CPEC would talk them out of Chahbahar? If this is your understanding of econoics, then good luck to you.Recommend

  • Ejazul Haq

    Iranians are great thinkers that they cannot forget the support India
    extended to Iran during its difficult times. Iranian’s are great thinkers that they
    cannot forget the fact that India always rejected all Western pressures in its bold
    deals with Iran. The US administration had subsequently recognized India’s
    close relations with Iran and softened its position. Iranians are great thinkers that they are not able to ignore what is going on in Pakistan against Shias. Iranians will not forget that it was India which jointly supported the Northern Alliance along
    with Iran in Afghanistan against the then Taliban regime and still jointly supporting the existing anti- Taliban government. It was India which included Iran as an observer state in the SAARC regional organization. Iran frequently objected to Pakistan’s attempts to draught anti-India resolutions OIC and other international bodies Iran is the second largest supplier of crude oil to India. Don’t forget Iran’s Chabahar port project with Indian aid and help. Iran is fully happy with strong relation whip with ‘secular’ India than rabid jihadi state Pakistan.Recommend

  • Oats

    If you think Iranians care so much about Shias in India or elsewhere you are wrong! Iran was suffering under Western sanctions so the Iranians had to cave in – plain and simple. Iran may benefit from lifting of sanctions but they need Pakistan more than Pakistan needs Iran. Iran knows it.Recommend

  • Enkay

    You should know how Arabs treat Non-Arab Muslims.Recommend

  • Pak will rock you will see it

    how you can expect something positive when Indian pm is a well known terrorist…. He was banned from USA visa? Not he? When you elect these type of people then forget about peace and harmoney……Pakistan needs to get so strong and every front where we can tell,you want war,we are ready…..stop this nonsense socalled peace dialogue, the country who broke you in two parts and involved in 99.9 terror activities in your country, want peace dialogue? Is this a joke?Pakistan should raise on every world forum all raw activities in Pakistan……Our ISI should focus on India now….Enough is enough…..Recommend

  • Pak will rock you will see it

    Pak can easily make pak-china-iran_Russia block,if they use common sense.stop thinking about hidden enemies USA or west world….Recommend

  • Pak will rock you will see it

    Yes India is our lover and dying for us…simply shut upRecommend

  • Pak will rock you will see it

    Ya any doubt about this…..even a kid can tell its India who want to eat pak…..Recommend

  • Pak will rock you will see it

    BullsitsRecommend

  • Pak will rock you will see it

    Iran entrance to Economic corridor will be a blessingsRecommend

  • loyalindian

    I am not a huge fan of Hilary Clinton. I have just pointed out that the source on the basis of which you were making a conclusion is double tongued and does not follow a consistent opinion. Its an irony that you associate cherry picking with the article but on hindsight you are practicing the same.Recommend

  • loyalindian
  • loyalindian

    Could be and could not be too.Recommend

  • loyalindian

    Thats is your own convoluted perception. Dont smear it on the world/Iran.Recommend

  • loyalindian

    Very few. After one or two incidents the border remains more or less calm. Besides you forget to follow Pakistan remained out of Yemen conflict as per Iran’s aspirations.Recommend

  • Headstrong
  • Headstrong

    Only you would find inconsistency in Hillary Clinton’s position. Everybody else (except you people of course) hold the same views – that you raised snakes and now that they’re biting you, some action in erasing them is happening. Recommend

  • Gratgy

    You are just a pestRecommend

  • Gratgy

    Where does she say “we created alqaeda”Recommend

  • loyalindian

    Well there is inconsistency in her position and I pointed to that already. I don’t think I need to further clarify on this. It is all on records.Recommend

  • loyalindian

    Ya. You see. That’s really easy to overlook. Finally you realized.Recommend

  • Headstrong

    Not ‘need to’ but you don’t ‘want to’ because you ‘cant’. Recommend

  • loyalindian

    “The people we are fighting today we funded them 20 years ago”. Pretty crystal clear.Recommend

  • Gratgy

    She said they funded these people i.e. when they were Mujahideen. Where does she say “US funded Al Qaeda”Recommend

  • Gratgy

    Where does she say “we funded Al Qaeda”??, . If she says US funded Pakistan, does it mean US funded Pakistani nuclear weapons?Recommend

  • Gratgy

    How original Lol!Recommend

  • loyalindian

    But lol. Have you?Recommend

  • Gratgy

    What’s “but lol”?Recommend

  • loyalindian

    US funded Pakistan. In what? In education, social welfare, counter-terrorism. There are several sectors US can fund Pakistan in. So your analogy does not hold ground.

    She clearly mentions we funded the same people we are fighting today. I will refer to my original comment which said “US created Al-Qaeda”. Al Qaeda was created through US funding. It was what it was in late 80s due to that funding. If that funding was not there it would not have been there. All weapons, logistics and training was brought about by that funding. And yes they kept on using that huge funding well late after 1988.

    So yes those are the same snakes she kept in her backyard.Recommend

  • loyalindian

    Then who is she fighting today?Recommend

  • Gratgy

    But where does she say “we funded Al qaeda” the organisation?Recommend

  • Gratgy

    US has always been funding your military from inception, you can call it anything you want, CSF, Afghan refugee repatriation programs etc. But then Pakistani military went on to create nukes, So does that mean Hillary is saying we created nukes for Pakistan?

    When she says we funded the same “people” ., Same “people” does not mean “same organisation”. The people were then in the Afghan Mujahideen, Al Qaeda came much later, so did the Taliban, LeT and now ISIS etc.

    US also funded Saddam Hussein during the Iran Iraq war. But then Saddam went on to invade Kuwait. Does that mean US invaded Kuwait.

    Once US left after the Afghan war Pakistan thought Jihadis were a good way of defeating India, If a superpower can be defeated, it should be easy to get kashmir from India. Hence Pakistan took over the funding to create the “Taliban” the LeT, Hizbul Mujahideen etc. or in other words, the snakes. But here again there are good snakes and bad snakes from Pakistan’s POV. The Taliban were created in order to achieve the “strategic depth” while LeT and Hizb were created to “bleed India through a thousand cuts”

    US is too smart to create snakes in its own backyard. The backyard was always yours.Recommend

  • loyalindian

    Did Pakistan create nukes from US funding ? Does Pakistan have only one source of income? Pakistani nukes could be funded by US or by China or by none. Nothing is proven. So again analogy doesn’t hold.

    The Mujahideen was group of foreign (Arab) and Afghan (mostly Pakhtun) fighters. Post war the Afghan part renamed itself as Al-Qaeda and the Pakhtun part was then called Taliban.

    All the weapons both groups used, the tanks, the training and thus their whole enterprise was a US funded baby.

    Thus if you went to a bank and took money to create enterprise A and next day changed it’s name to B your enterprise B will still show from where the paid up capital came. Thus US funded Al Qaeda even in the strictest financial terms.

    And frankly the US did not care what happened thereafter. They came their to defeat the Soviets and take revenge for Vietnam. Did their job and left all the Soviet and US weapons in the hands of rented thugs. For Pakistan the choice was simple. Either to recognize the Taliban or face their wrath. Taliban militants never supported Kashmiri jihad. That’s a myth. Taliban got their funding from gulf countries. Their main office is in US darling state of Qatar. And you know what? Qatar has not received any bites from the snakes. Ever. Its not all so black and white as you portray.

    By the way US has so many military bases worldwide that its their backyard virtually everywhere. And yes the snakes did bit on WTC too. Right now they are funding the same snakes in Syria. How funny they are fighting Al Qaeda here and funding them there in Syria.

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  • loyalindian

    Well I suppose she is fighting aliens in Afghanistan!Recommend

  • Alien

    Common sense is the thing lacking in Pakistanis.Recommend

  • Gratgy

    US is fighting the Taliban who were created by Pakistan ? So Where in the video does she say “US created Al Qaeda”?Recommend

  • Gratgy

    Nope! No one wants to eat garbageRecommend

  • Gratgy

    “Did Pakistan create nukes from US funding ? Does Pakistan have only one source of income? Pakistani nukes could be funded by US or by China or by none. Nothing is proven”

    Exactly, Al Qaeda could be funded by Pakistan, Saudi etc. Are you saying Al Qaeda has only one source of income, Nothing is proven

    “All the weapons both groups used, the tanks, the training and thus their whole enterprise was a US funded baby.”

    So was your army when they created the nukes, so did US create your nukes

    “Post war the Afghan part renamed itself as Al-Qaeda and the Pakhtun part was then called Taliban.”

    Rubbish, was Osama Bin Laden an Afghan? The mujahideen after the war broke in seperate groups under different warlords such as Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Ahmed shah massoud, rabbani and Dostum etc and continued to fight with each other in the civil war post the Soviet withdrawal. Pakistan wanted to have its player in the field and hence created the Taliban much later who were entirely trained in Pakistani Madarsas bordering Afghanistan AFTER the afghan war

    Taliban means students not MujahideenRecommend

  • Gratgy

    That is your assumptionRecommend

  • Gratgy

    Bill Clinton Maybe Lol!Recommend

  • loyalindian

    Ahan. So you mean US was not fighting Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan. Right. Thats news. In the video she clearly says “we funded them”. I have explained that in detail already.Recommend

  • loyalindian

    Of course. If she is not fighting Al-Qaeda, Taliban and all other terrorists in Afghanistan then she is definitely fighting the aliens.Recommend

  • Gratgy

    “We funded them” and “We funded Al Qaeda” are two different sentences. We funded “them” could be the people who were once fighting against soviets 20 years back. At that time Al Qaeda did not even existRecommend

  • loyalindian

    “Exactly, Al Qaeda could be funded by Pakistan, Saudi etc. Are you saying Al Qaeda has only one source of income, Nothing is proven”

    Al-Qaeda’s resources, that is all human, financial and military, were funded by US-led coalition which included Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and several other countries which fought the war against communism. So Al-Qaeda pretty much had one source of income which was the US-led coalition. So can you pinpoint that Pakistan created nukes majorly from US funds or Chinese funds or none. Nothing is proven,. But yes all funding for Mujahideen operation came from US led coalition. Thats proven.

    “So was your army when they created the nukes, so did US create your nukes”

    Pakistan army has variety of weapons ranging from Russian, European, Chinese and American. And they were not funded. They were bought. Big difference. Al Qaeda was financed by US. Al Qaeda never bought anything from US. Pakistan has. And that cannot be called funding or financing. Besides Pak army was not alone in creating the nukes it involved scientists, army, public and several external agencies. Your analogies at best are funny.

    “Rubbish, was Osama Bin Laden an Afghan?”

    When the Soviet war broke out in the 80s the US sucked up all the extremists worldwide and created a force called Mujahideen. The force had locals (mostly Pakhtuns) and foreign fighters (mostly Arabs).

    My bad on the fact I wrote Osama as Afghan. He was/is an Arab. And the mijahideen was a mixture of foreign and Pakthtun fighters. The foregin group broke off called itself Al-Qaeda. The local group Taliban. Taliban mostly constitute of Pakhtuns. And Pakhtuns are majority ethinicity in Afghanistan. Pakistan had to come to terms with understanding with one authority in Afghanistan and most powerful were the Taliban. Taliban were created in 1992. Thats after all dust was settled and infighting done in Afg and there was one clear winner in Afghanistan; which was the Pakhtun group called Taliban. Thats when Pakistan recognized the Taliban otherwise they would never like an adversary in their neighbourhood.

    “Taliban means students not Mujahideen”

    When did I say that it means Mujahideen?Recommend

  • Gratgy

    Whatever rocks your boat!Recommend

  • Gratgy

    “Al-Qaeda’s resources, that is all human, financial and military, were funded by US-led coalition”

    Lol When US was funding during the Soviet Afghan war, Al Qaeda did not exist.

    “Pakistan army has variety of weapons ranging from Russian, European, Chinese and American.”

    We re talking about 25 years back when Pakistan was happily a part of SEATO, Cento and other military alliances with the US. How many Russian and Chinese weapons did you have then?

    “My bad on the fact I wrote Osama as Afghan. He was/is an Arab”

    Osama is nothing but just food for the fishes

    ” Taliban were created in 1992.”

    Exactly, you prove my point.

    “When did I say that it means Mujahideen?

    Let me rephrase – Taliban were students not “holy warriors” like the ones who fought the Soviet Union”Recommend

  • Gratgy

    “Al-Qaeda’s resources, that is all human, financial and military, were funded by US-led coalition”

    Lol When US was funding during the Soviet Afghan war, Al Qaeda did not exist.

    “Pakistan army has variety of weapons ranging from Russian, European, Chinese and American.”

    We re talking about 25 years back when Pakistan was happily a part of SEATO, Cento and other military alliances with the US. How many Russian and Chinese weapons did you have then?

    “My bad on the fact I wrote Osama as Afghan. He was/is an Arab”

    Osama is nothing but just food for the fishes

    ” Taliban were created in 1992.”

    Exactly, you prove my point.

    “When did I say that it means Mujahideen?

    Let me rephrase – Taliban were students not “holy warriors” like the ones who fought the Soviet Union”Recommend