Ashraf Chaudhry, slut-shaming is not ‘freedom of speech’

Published: August 31, 2015
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A woman who freely expresses herself on Twitter, or a woman who goes to work, or a woman who comes home late at night, is not labelled a slut because you genuinely question whether she is involved in sexual activities but it is a way for society to diminish the role of women.

A country must be a mother. No other person could suffer so much at your hands and still call you its own.

We may call Pakistan our mother, we may respect it as if it was our mother, we may even love it like our mother but is there a place for mothers, sisters, and daughters in this Pakistan? Is there no country for women?

We are quick to stand up in arms when the sanctity of our adopted mother is called into question. We are often told,

“The sovereignty of Pakistan must come first.”

There was a similar visceral reaction in Pakistan to the trailer of the Indian movie Phantom. It doesn’t matter that Hafiz Saeed is a terrorist, since for many, he is a Pakistani first and India is the enemy. So in this war that we have inherited, we are bound to side with our own, even if it comes at the discomfort of siding against Katrina Kaif.

A lot has been said about the movie; video blogs have been made and nationalism has been used by many to promote themselves. However, my blog is not about this particular issue per se, as my opinions on the matter only distract from the point of this blog. I realise that this proviso will not stop the tirade of India versus Pakistan comments, but before you transform into a keyboard, please take a minute to think whether your nationalism is making you lose your humanism.

When a woman is insulted in Pakistan, a common rebuke is,

“What if she was someone’s mother, someone’s sister or someone’s daughter?”

As if devoid of that possibility there is no need to respect women. A woman cannot be respected for being a woman, she has to be somebody’s mother, wife, daughter, sister, cousin; her very existence is defined in terms of her relationship with a man. Her respect comes from the house she belongs to, the man she is married to or the man she gave birth to.

Unfortunately, we do not even extend that courtesy when other countries are insulted. All of us have a right to disagree with the policies of any state, we also have a right to criticise the state itself but to paint every single citizen living in that country with a single broad brush stroke, based on the actions of a few, is foolhardy.

It creates the ‘us versus them’ siege mentality which makes people resort to violence.

A Facebook post may not be considered ‘violence’ per say but within the context of the society we live in, labelling somebody a traitor publicly does seriously jeopardise the life of the person. Our ‘Pakistani’ actors should have more prudence before passing statements about their co-workers.

However, they do have a right to their opinion, their position of power means they should act with more responsibility but if they still feel the need to, they are to express themselves. This is not a blog against Shaan Shahid or Hamza Ali Abbasi. This is a blog against Ashraf Chaudhry, the self-proclaimed number one sales trainer in Pakistan, and an expert on ‘selling yourself’. He decided to firm nail his colours to the past by chiming on with his opinion on the issue. Chaudhry showed the country that there was no need to label Mawra Hocane a traitor to make the nation dismiss her opinion, there was an easier way.

Following Chaudhry’s logic, if a woman expresses an opinion that you may not agree with, you gain the right to publicly call her a ‘slut’. When you are called out by people for your blatant misogyny, your retort is to innocently wonder, “What name would you give her”, along with posting a picture of her.

Also championing freedom of speech (his ‘freedom’ to call Hocane a slut) while blocking anyone who disagrees with him. I am assuming ‘irony’ is not one of the modules Chaudhry teaches.

You are a person who dismisses sexual harassment as #BurgerBoysProblems. If a male teacher sexually harasses a 20-year-old boy, the boy should reclaim your ‘manhood’.

It would be unfair to even single out Chaudhry. He may not even believe in all of this, after all he is an expert on selling himself, and controversy creates cash. By abusing Hocane and posing as a nationalist, Chaudhry has been able to remarkably increase the traffic on his page.

He is now using that same traffic to post a video promoting himself after every couple of hours.

Well played Sir, well played.

Chaudhry is not the tragedy. The tragedy is that he represents a majority of men in Pakistan who casually slut-shame women. When confronted, they would not disagree with the fact that women have equal rights and equal freedom as men but use their words like arrows to shoot down those freedoms and rights for women at every turn.

Would he have called a male actor posting similar tweets a slut?

Slut-shaming is a legitimate power tool used by men to keep women down, to promote the structures of patriarchy. This tacit behaviour by men, and their opinions influencing the masses, perpetuate patriarchal structures in society. Any time you tell a person to be a man, or be a woman, you are reproducing traditionally defined gender roles.

A woman who freely expresses herself on Twitter, or a woman who goes to work, or a woman who comes home late at night, is not labelled a slut because you genuinely question whether she is involved in sexual activities but it is a way for society to diminish the role of women.

Chaudhry’s comments do not hurt Hocane, as much as they hurt all the women of Pakistan – even women who may agree with him and disagree with Hocane on the matter. Her opinions on the subject have no bearing on this discussion.

The point of this article is that patriarchy and misogyny have been reproduced in our country by tying these notions to nationalism. The archetype of the Pakistani woman is used to deliberately relegate women to an inferior role in society. Ziaul Haq took this strategy a step further by adding religion into the mix.

Without consciously realising that these power structures are in place, and all lives, our culture, and our language has been coloured by our history, we would continue to perpetuate the same ideas, we would continue to create a culture of hate and violence against women, without even realising we are doing so.

It does not matter if your intention was not to stifle space for public discourse for women by calling one person a slut, the fact that you were negligent enough not to realise the repercussions of your actions is enough to deem you guilty.

Being nationalistic may get you a few likes or a few followers but by exploiting people’s love for our country, using it to ‘sell yourself’, please make sure you are not hurting a cause that generations have worked hard for. We may never be able to reverse all the violence against women committed in the name of the nation and religion in our country but the least we can do is be conscious of that history before looking to belittle a woman.

Hocane is not a slut nor is any other woman who has been called one in Pakistan for simply exercising her right to expression, her right to movement, her right to live.

shehzad.ghias

Shehzad Ghias

A graduate from the LUMS Law School and is running his own theatre production company, Cogito Productions.He works as a theatre teacher at various schools. He tweets @Shehzad89 (twitter.com/Shehzad89)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • SAM-CXVII

    It’s not the existence of Ashraf Chaudhery that is depressing it’s the number of people that agree with him. It is amazing the amount of misinformation, twisted morals and all round bullshit people will willingly swallow up. From misogyny to jingoism to outright racism we deny the wrongs that we do instead choosing to attack others for theirs.

    On a side note that promotional video was a prime example of how having little to no shame is the way to go when selling yourself Recommend

  • Brain Think

    Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.Recommend

  • shaikh mustafa

    mr. chaudhry your comments have shamed us menRecommend

  • mariah

    well done Shehzad GhiasRecommend

  • Adil

    Mr Chaudry – you know a hadith by Prophet Muhammad SAW , that have you seen someone to abuse his own parents , Sahaba replied no , Hazoor SAW replied one who abuses someone else’s parents , infect abuse himself – its bad please beg pardon from the person you abused and Allah alimighty , leave her profession with her , and pray for her that May Allah almighty guide her to right path – jazzakAllahRecommend

  • Adil

    accepting your mistake is sign of your bravery and high ehicsRecommend

  • https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=8559594100366660134#allposts Supriya Arcot

    Truth be told , I am not a big film buff. I didn’t know this girl MH until this tweet. Whether the words are her own or her publicist’s , she has surely won hearts on both sides of the border. The others players like the patriots/ actors / politicians / columnists etc., involved in this melodrama should immediately change their PR managers.Recommend

  • ali shahpar

    you dont need to explain why you are writting this article in the first 10 paragraphs. You can directly start writting it.Recommend

  • Farhan Jaffry

    Mr Choudary, you’ve been a little harsh, although our actors and actress are dying to work in Bollywood, but still they are Pakistani, though they don’t realize the campaigning and propaganda India is doing through their media but still they are Pakistani actors and actresses, though they do inappropriate photography and make fun of our own institutions but they are Pakistani actors and actresses. You should say anything to them coz artists are very sensitive, only they have hearts and souls that can feel pain. This is all money game, no one was talking about Mawra that she get to work in Bollywood shity movies so she though this might be the best way to get some attention, but she is Pakistani and I respect her, but she shouldn’t turn this guilt of here as an action of sexism just because she is a women,( not sure she is still a girl) no one can criticize her.Recommend

  • Khurram52c

    I have seen Indians blatantly disgrace Pakistan at the drop of a hat. I was expecting that some kinda reaction would come from the Pakistani actors working there, to show some dignity and cancel all their projects and walk back home. I was expecting this all because i though how can anyone who call themselves Pakistani, could work with the same people who openly abuse and belittle their own country. Its not politics, its movies. I was expecting all that. But obviously that didn’t happen. Surprised, not really. Somehow, less the military, every other circle in the country has started the policy of Indian appeasement.
    Now, this whole mawara hocane (hussain) vs Shan Shahid thing has been blown totally out of proportion. I dont know why but it seems that the matter is being steered away very deliberately into a debate of sexism and feminism. Which it truly is not. I respect women but that does not mean i have to respect their opinions, no matter what?!. I dont respect Asma Jehangir for her opinions; does that make me a male chauvinist? No sir it does not. Please, once again, please i urge all those, who are twisting the entire thing into a sexist issue, this is not one, not to begin with. This is purely a difference of opinion.
    Miss Mwara, you should have at least gone through the content of the movie before you jumped into the rescue with your ‘Miss World Q&A’ tweet (still not sexist) and Mr Shan, you cannot go around campaigning to ban people just because their opinion is different than yours and people, for the love of god, ‘traitor’, bann, slut… these are serious allegations. How can you all throw these words around as if they are nothing. Get a grip my countrymen. She made a mistake, so did he, both should apologize. But Mr Writer ….. IT IS NOT A SEXIST ISSUE.Recommend

  • Faheem Ali

    Great post Shahzad. The blood of every sane and just person was boiling over Ashraf Ch. sexist and extremely stupid statement. Your post worked as a catharsisRecommend

  • Tajamul Hussain Turi

    i was member of this page bcz i thought that this guy is successful in his professional but leter from his posting i felt that he is campaigning for upcoming electionRecommend

  • Sonia K

    Apparently ‘chane bechne walay ka beta’ learnt all the ways of the world EXCEPT moral ethics which are taught at home and are always a legacy….. sorry to be brutal but ‘tarbiyat’ CANNOT be altered…. proven by the man himself!Recommend

  • Faraz Talat

    Everything about this blog is spot-on, but what is going on with the title?

    Freedom of speech is exclusively the freedom to offend. Of course Mr. Ashraf has the legal freedom to say sexist things, but then we also have the freedom to blast it with our own opinions.

    “You’re free to speak BUT…” is not freedom.Recommend

  • Waqas Rabbani

    I have been following ashraf chaudhary for a while now and i really feel at times that the man has quite lost his mind !.

    being a sales trainer to the biggest brands of pakistan he chooses at times to make these incredibly caustic and inflammatory statements, and i don’t know if it’s really him speaking or someone else.

    I used to respect him once, but i have realized the error of my ways, he is not the kind of person i can admire or respect. in fact quite the opposite. !Recommend

  • Mahd Rashid

    Whats been written is a shame for mr.chaudhry and the men of this country but then again . . . a woman who doesn’t bother about her own integrity, religion & country, how can anyone else care about her ?Recommend

  • Musti

    There is a word for this kind of person; a douchebag.Recommend

  • sumaiyyah sabir

    well written! patience is at the edge on humanity…Recommend

  • Ramna Iftikhar

    Excellent Shehzad. Recommend

  • Kralik

    “It doesn’t matter that Hafiz Saeed is a terrorist”.. why is that? Because India says so without providing a shred of evidence? or because he has a beard? I think the first rule of criminal law is innocent unless proven guilty.. But I guess in the liberal extremists’ handbook the rule is different if you have a beard and practice your religion.. Recommend

  • Saad Salman Zia

    Well written. There is no difference between nationalism and totalitarianism if it blinds ones’ views on humanity.Recommend

  • Anam Humayun

    First of all everybody has his views..
    Secondly nobody is saying that we own terrorists because natiomalism comes first n india is the enemy…
    Thirdly… gender discrimination is not the case here…
    And please when you do compare models and actesses to a common mans wife daughter or mother n sister please do just think for a moment.. coz whatever they are doing is also nothing sacred..
    Lastly… none of us is as good a scholar as we all pretend..
    First learn deen then preach, talk or criticize others.

    Regards,Recommend

  • Parvez

    I had no idea who Ashraf Chaudhry was until now……..thanks Shehzad for shown him up Recommend

  • Usman

    But u also painted all paki men with ‘a single broad brush’ are you also not following what u are preaching? Ashraf is wrong in saying what he said but that doesn’t make anyone who says anything against him right! Every society has its own values and we should nurture them, if we try to mix them with other values the results can never be positive. We are living in a mess where we want an Islamic system with western lifestyle! I am afraid that you can’t have either this way and this ‘khichri’ is the reason for among other things the position of women in society. And coming to the point of freedom of expression if there is such a thing then ashraf has all the right to say anything he feels about anyone similarly mawra has the right to respond anyway she sees fit. If you feel the need to write this article maybe you think mawra is not able enough (being a woman) to defend herself???Recommend

  • Ryan “King” James

    I have to agree. It’s absolutely baffling to me the grandstanding and chest thumping bravado panders to so many people disguised as patriotism and love for country. And really this is all our love for country extends to. Mudslinging when posed the threat of potential insult.Recommend

  • sal

    So a slut should not be called a slut?Recommend

  • Jasvinder Singh Marwaha

    Golden words.Recommend

  • Dija

    certainly what mawra has been doing cannot be appreciated; only like minded people with low intellect can ignore he doings….Recommend

  • Ali

    Look on the broad side, there was a time the reaction to movies like Phantom was on the streets burning tires. Now they are only burning bandwidth. I’ll live with this. Lets me get to work on time.Recommend

  • Syeda Ali

    Well written article. I really don’t think films like Phantom should be in such limelight. Patriotism is not judged by your tweets of fb status.Recommend

  • Syeda Ali

    Disagree with this notion of freedom of expression. Freedom to say anything or everything without any limit is unacceptable. You can give your opinion on a subject and two people can respectfully disagree with one another. Lets agree to disagree. But insulting, harassing or disrespecting someone is not part of freedom.Recommend

  • Bilal Roshan

    Dear Shahzad,

    Your article is actually diverting the whole focus from Hocane to Mr.Ashraf; making Mr.Ashraf a Villain and portraying Hocane a real life Heorine. Do you know what Freedom of Speech is? Please refer the below Article 19 of The Constitution of Pakistan:

    “Every citizen shall have the right to freedom of speech and expression,
    and there shall be freedom of the press, subject to any reasonable
    restrictions imposed by law in the interest of the glory of Islam or the
    integrity, security or defence of Pakistan or any part thereof friendly
    relations with foreign States, public order, decency or morality, or in
    relation to contempt of court, [commission of] or incitement to an
    offence.”

    Hope it clarified your definition of Speech. And if you still think she has right to support the Anti-Pakistan statements then please accept the freedom of speech of others to call her what she really is.

    I believe you have some personal links with Hocane as you are working with Production House. It’s better to teach her manners instead of writing something against for someone who is “not a self proclaimed trainer” as his more than 150,000 followers believe. He is not only a No.1 Sales-Trainer of Pakistan but is always available to help the people 24/7. He is the man who helped the young generation achieve their goals. He is the man who is a best councellor available for everyone.

    Shame on you for writing against the man who is the only hope available for the youth of Pakistan.Recommend

  • Shaistha

    “It doesn’t matter that Hafiz Saeed is a terrorist, since for many, he is a Pakistani first and India is the enemy.”
    As a normal citizen, is this what you propogate? It’s not the media and the politicians to spread hate, you are equally responsible.Recommend

  • Shaistha

    “It doesn’t matter that Hafiz Saeed is a terrorist, since for many, he is a Pakistani first and India is the enemy.”
    As a normal citizen, is this what you propogate? It’s not the media and the politicians to spread hate, you are equally responsible.Recommend

  • ONe

    He is a male chauvinist who does not respect woman. Whether she is shameless in revealing herself but ‘Slut’ is the worst slang word to call to any woman. shame on you .Recommend

  • Anwaar

    the article mentions “decency or morality” ….

    how decent to call a woman s*** on social media just because she has her own opinions..Recommend

  • Faizan Ahmed

    How an issue that was comments of an indian actor became a war amongst
    our own actors in Pakistan, well Thank you media and low level
    opportunists for that. If any male actor currently involved in projects with Bollywood had come up with the same tweets, i am pretty sure Shan’s reaction would have been the same. As long as other people like Faisal Qureshi and Mr. Ashraf are concerned, it was totally uncalled for and a pathetic way to use your right to (freedom of speech) as we call it. Those people trying to make it a sexist issue, its not. Don’t try to manipulate words into a whole new meaning. You people are opportunist who look for similar situations to cause a chaos. How an average actor’s words about our nation can start a war amongst ourselves shows our own sensitivity. Its a fact that there was no need for the actress to jump on the wagon wheel and post comments without as she said even watching the trailer. Thats pretty immature. But people like Ashraf and Qureshi by showing such low level responses are more immature than this girl. All people involved will carry on representing Pakistan and keep posing their agendas to be truely patriotic and we all will be divided on who is right and who is a traitor. Have some commonsense for God’s sake…..Recommend

  • Faulitics

    Mr.Ashraf IS a villian and he is not the only one. People like you who support him are also villains. They are basically fascists.Recommend

  • ZKhan

    Pakistani Actress need to realize that Bollywood during 1990 and 80 were favorable for Excellent movies, Songs and other Stuffs…Now Bollywood is nothing there is no regulation on movies but they are only Hungry for Money and Flesh…It is better for Pakistani actress to stay in their Country and act in drama and serial which are Family based….Recommend

  • UK

    OMG I personally know him and you know that’s the problem with him!! his values sucks! he needs to look at himself and learn to live in a sophisticated society.Recommend

  • Saira

    In Pakistan, “honour rapes” have a long tradition. In one case that has become an international feminist cause, a woman (Mukhtara Mai) was gang raped by 13 men on the order of a village council as a punishment because her brother had befriended a woman from another tribe.

    In a country where there is a long tradition regarding women to suffer sexual violence at the hands of men, these are not surprising words or strange behaviour which this low life has demonstrated against a woman.
    It’s just a result of his poor parenting and his confused and mixed social and cultural values and concepts regarding women.
    People like Ashraf Chaudhry are cultural time bombs which can explode any time. Such people are terrorists of their own kind.Recommend

  • Adeel

    Marwa deserves this… She is supporting india just for money and entry in bollywood…Shameless girl…Recommend

  • Raheel Ahmed Simair

    Well, This article is to stop the worst hypocrisy.

    Mr. Ashraf Ch is no doubt No.1 Sales trainer but he proved that he is none other than a hypocrite. He breached his policy of Zero Tolerance for using abusive language.

    He deserves hate but his art has still value.

    #HateTheArtist Not the #ArtRecommend

  • Syed

    What Caption u will put under her photograph, respectable women fromPakistan.Recommend

  • mariah

    social media is turned into a war zone of words that hurt more than words,
    thanx for raising voice against this injusticeRecommend

  • ZKhan

    It is better for Pakistani Actress to Stay in their own Country and Play the family drama and serials…Don’t try in BollywoodRecommend

  • Fareed

    so this is what the ’20th century’ Muslim woman looks like?Recommend

  • Azmasadia

    I am NO fan of Hocane but I am a fan of a women’s respect!!! Who the hell are you to judge! Recommend

  • Fareed

    Precisely my point!Recommend

  • abhi

    So this is spreading hate to say Hafiz Saeed is terrorist? In this case you must consider UN as hate spreading organization! BTW it is the same UN where you go running for Kashmir.Recommend

  • abhi

    No because UN says so. BTW it is the same UN where you go running for Kashmir.Recommend

  • Hameedullah

    “….his more than 150,000 followers” That just made his remark even more deplorable. A person with such a following must show some maturity when using words.Recommend

  • Bilal Roshan

    Oh Decency / Morality! Morality probably means concerns with the distiction between good & evil or right or wrong; right or good conduct. Does this definition fits for Ms.Hocane?? Was she right supporting the statements against our country Pakistan??. Candid truth can never be digested. She is a traitor.Recommend

  • Bilal Roshan

    Appreciate your comments Sir. I am not being fascistic, I am Patriotic. Say with me “PAKISTAN ZINDABAD”.Recommend

  • Ivar the Driver

    I mean what kind of mentality is this? I can understand if a brainwashed uneducated person makes a personal attack without knowing any better, but guys like Ashraf Chaudhary who are well educated and are always out there to lecture world on good or bad, are making such disparaging remark about a fellow Pakistani. All because she chose to speak her mind or take a stand on something which is debatable at max. Here is what I have understood:

    1. A movie was judged and banned just on the basis of its trailer;

    2. all the big stars turn into a Keyboard warrior and type their patriotism to the glory;

    3. One person decides to see the alternate side of the story and makes a statement that a “terrorist has no nationality (sic.)” and a nation’s glory is too big to be affected by some masala movie. (Which I think is one of the most sensible statements mad by any Pakistani celebrity lately).

    Instead of being appreciated for her level-headedness all she got was a massive lynch mob vying for her blood on social media.

    Now, since the court has already banned the movie (irrespective of the merit of the claims made by Maulana Saab), there is no question of watching the movie, but why punish someone for just trying to paint an alternate picture of this ugly scenario.Recommend

  • Uzma Mesbah

    What Ashraf Chaudhry has done is not freedom of speech but it’s called “Cyber Bullying” and cyber bully is a crime which has legal consequences. Giving a person a bad name (specially a female) and tarnishing her character and reputation publicly on the internet is a serious crime.
    In Western countries cyber bully is taken very seriously as many young people have committed suicide because of the shame and humiliation they face after it but it’s sad that in Pakistan there are no consequences or penalties for such serious crimes and the criminals get away very easily.Recommend

  • Shahryarr Khan

    How can a slut be shamed? She is shameless by definition.Recommend

  • Shahryarr Khan

    How is calling a slut a slut, judging? And it has nothing to do with the dress. It has to do with promiscuity.

    Why should promiscuous women usurp the hard won respect, honor and esteem of chaste innocent righteous women? How can they be equal. Now that would be unjust in the extreme.

    As for Mufti Ismail Menk, how can a known and established bigot have a say in the matter.
    Recommend

  • Shahryarr Khan

    Your statement about Mukhtara Mai is out of context. And not based on facts, the truth of the case. The rest of your post is nothing but feminist drivel.Recommend

  • Kralik

    We ran to UN?! ROFL.. know your history.. we had liberated half of Kashmir and would have liberated the other half if INDIA hadn’t run to the UN in 1948.. and WRT UN calling Hafiz Saeed a terrorist.. that’s only because India is a huge market for US/EU.. to when US says to UN do smth they do it.. what evidence does UN has? NOTHING.. so my point stands.. Innocent unless proven guilty..Recommend

  • Nishat Aamir

    Right adeel !Recommend

  • Sarfraz Ahmad

    Ashraf’s Chana frosh mentality at its bestRecommend

  • canpak

    How do you know she is promiscuous? Have you seen something personally that makes you think she is? And if this is an assumption that you make because she is an actress then how come male actors are never called “sluts” or an equivalent? Is she a “slut” on her own or she requires some men to be a “slut”? who are these men and why they never seemed to be questioned on “slut-ing”?Recommend

  • Xyz

    What is the definition of chaste, innocent and righteous woman? Whether a woman sleeps with one man or ten, isn’t that her personal life…. And as long as she is not indulging in infidelity, how can that be a concern of any non associated person?

    What has she done to you to deserve your disrespect?

    How do you judge innocence?

    On the flip side why we don’t use same scale for men? Do we even berate or judge men for promiscuity? Would a
    Man be disrespected in a similar manner?Recommend

  • carter

    Slut shaming, just another excuse to explain the obvious difference between men and women feminists hate soooo much.
    Funny how men can find hundreds, thousands of women to sleep with him for a price, but find it a challenge to find a few who are willing to do so out of desire.
    All that preconditioned shaming goes right out the window when money is injected into the equation.Recommend

  • abhi

    we are living in 21st century, jsut for your information.Recommend

  • TooDead

    Very few people if any called Mawra Hocane a slut before her tweets which implies that she was called a slut for voicing her opinion. This is his sick error.Recommend

  • BaiG

    Quoting from the this article: All of us have a right to disagree with the policies of any state, we also have a right to criticise the state itself but to paint every single citizen living in that country with a single broad brush stroke, based on the actions of a few, is foolhardy.

    You did the same by painting all with same brush.
    Plz stop devaluing your country and be proud of whatever we have.Recommend

  • Milind A

    Kudos!!! This quote from Mufti Ismail Menk is a gem.. Thanks for posting this quote..Recommend

  • Stealthy

    nevermind. Come to his point, would u like your own women to roam on the streets in such a dress?Recommend

  • Stealthy

    i’m sure it won’t be spreading hate if we tag Modi as anti-Islamic. If UN is that useless, why is India struggling to be a permanent member of the UN for the past 68 years?Recommend

  • Stealthy

    You’re begging the UN permanent members not to veto India’s push to become another permanent member of the UN. Deal with it.Recommend

  • Stealthy

    As long as we have Hafiz Saeed, Indians should get used to another round of nightmares as they failed to recover from mental effects Dawood Ibrahim left on their minds.Recommend

  • abhi

    How is your comment relevant to my post?Recommend

  • abhi

    I am not saying UN is useless. All I am saying is that UN has decalred Hafiz Saeed a terrorist and his organisation as a terrorist organization, why can’t you accept it?Recommend

  • abhi

    What do you mean by my own women?Recommend

  • http://www.thecrydsdaily.com/ Shaheryar Ehsan-i-Haque

    You know you have lost when you start using abusive language against someone. If he really wanted to express his opinion he should have done it in a civilised manner.Recommend

  • Shaistha

    I’m talking about the last sentence…India is the enemy. Why are we so hell bent on grabbing hold of anyone and everyone and telling them that? Let them judge for themselves.Recommend

  • Talha Saad

    Men become feminist when all their “strategies” to get laid have failedRecommend

  • Ali

    he is Ashraf ChoudaryRecommend

  • Fahad

    disgusting ! this man is a trainer ?Recommend

  • aamer tanoli

    hmmm its good now you can go and work .no body care what u have written .okRecommend

  • aamer tanoli

    u must be shameful hahahaRecommend

  • aamer tanoli

    in west things are not very good for women as welll.i think u must know if not google itRecommend

  • aamer tanoli

    good post bro wiwth uRecommend

  • Taimoor Khan

    She should also stop pleasing Bollywood. I have noted Pakistanis are very open minded about India, but most Indians are rabid haters of Pakistan. Latest survey show that. They are conditioned to hate. They are narrow-minded and taught nonsense by their media. They also have this mentality of being ruled by Muslims for over 500 years and thus have reactionary thinking, which Pakistan doesn’t have vis-a-vis Hindus. Pakistanis do have stereotypes of others, some o them are full extremists, but overall middle class is very open minded to India. Indians have rabid hatred toward Pakistan conditioned by their system. Thus this contrast gives rise to anger in some Pakistani circles that India doesn’t deserve our understanding.Recommend

  • LS

    Pakistani’s are open minded about India? That is a news… After 4 attacks, countless terrorist activities, bombings, illegal occupation of territory, subversive activities, flooding fake Indian currency I wonder why should India be forgiving? Unfortunately Pakistanis when in India come off as if nothing happened… and as if we owe something to them…Recommend

  • LS

    It is a common misunderstanding that literacy also brings education and ability to think rationally. Secondly, these are the same people who were criticizing India for speaking against Amir Khan and his wife and all those award returnees on Intolerance who were silent at the time when nation faced greatest human tragedies from 1989 to 2013…Recommend

  • LS

    We are not talking about the first time we went.. lately its Pakistanis who keep going to UN for one reason or another on Kashmir. What has UN got to do with India being a huge market for US/EU? Too much conjuncture? There are audio transcripts and significant intelligence that he is a terrorist. It is perfectly ok if if you as a Pakistani chooses to ignore it but the world is not that forgiving. Musharraf was right Hafiz Saeed, Oama Bin Laden, Mullah umar are all Pakisani Heroes.Recommend

  • LS

    Weren’t you begging to remain the member of UN Human Rights commission? You were unceremoniously kicked out of it due to gross violations of Human Rights in your own country.. yet Pakistani’s can’t stop talking about Kashmir… and India is still the member of the same commission. So deal with it…Recommend

  • LS

    So I suppose you were witness to her promiscuous behavior and have evidence to prove?Recommend

  • Taimoor Khan

    Don’t invite them. We don’t care.Recommend

  • LS

    Nobody invites them… They come all by themselves.. Gujarat alone has 15,000 of them, others come for free treatment and what not… Check the world bank figures of 2014 $2.0 Billion are remitted to Pakistan from India. So your “Don’t Invite Them. We don’t care” does not hold water. Your people and your finance minister does care.Recommend

  • Taimoor Khan

    Not we don’t.The issue is there are relationship ties from pre-partition days. That’s why the travel and some remittances.Recommend

  • LS

    Like I said it does not hold water. You don’t live in Pakistan. You live in UK. Your finance minister does not care what an expat thinks. To him remittances are more valuable than your opinion.Recommend

  • Taimoor Khan

    I am from Pakistan. Of course, remittances are important, but remittances from India are insignificant to be used for any political leveraging.Recommend

  • Fareed

    My bad, 21st… :PRecommend

  • Simon

    Those who are criticising Ashraf Chaudhry do not know much about the reality of life. He gave the correct and exact answer, to such people. Recommend