Why India didn’t want us to have Kashmir

Published: June 26, 2015
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Bursting with streams and rivers, the natural beauty that can be seen in Kashmir is unparalleled.

When one mentions Kashmir, all that comes to one’s mind are lush green fields, mountains, rivers, and valleys. Derived from Sanskrit, according to folk etymology, the name ‘Kashmir’ actually means desiccated land. ‘Ka’ means water and ‘shimeera’ means desiccate. The mention of water in its name takes me back to my Pakistan Studies class where we discussed Kashmir and its strategic importance.

After visiting Kashmir, however, I can now clearly see why India didn’t want us to have this small piece of land that is rightfully ours. Bursting with streams and rivers, the natural beauty seen in Kashmir is unparalleled.

Lower Neelum Valley

Following certain issues with the organisation we worked for and the treacherous heat wave in Karachi, my friends and I decided to go for a trip to the northern areas. Undecided where we were going to go, we came across some pictures of the Neelum Valley in Azad Kashmir on Facebook, thanks to the travel agents and tour guides that are stepping their game up on social media these days (a big thumbs up to them).

Kashmir? Perfect!

That’s where we all wanted to go now.

After arranging our tickets for Islamabad, a rendezvous pit stop before hitting the northern areas, we all just prepared ourselves for a ride that would keep amazing us as we went on. Having been charmed by Islamabad, we began our long journey by road with a rental car with a local driver (best decision ever, as the roads in Kashmir were a nightmare to drive on).The places we initially decided to stay at were Keran and Kel, the two popular villages and tourist destinations in the Neelum Valley.

There were countless check posts and camps set up by the Pakistan Army along River Neelum – the natural border between Pakistan and India which runs right along the Line of Control (LoC) between the two countries – which took a while to get through to.

Our first stop was at a riverside restaurant called Marco Polo

We made several stops during our ride to Keran, as there were some beautiful scenic views along the way and we obviously had to stop for other reasons as well.

If anyone has ever been or crossed River Neelum would know of the beauty that lies there. One instance is the beach that we came across in the middle of the valley.

Beach in the middle of the valley

A breathtaking view

Upper Neelum

A dam being built by the Chinese on River Neelum

One of the local drivers we later met described the road along River Neelum (and through Neelum Valley) as the most beautiful 100 kilometres in the world, which also happened to be the reason why he chose the job as a seasonal jeep driver.

I couldn’t agree with him more.

The condition of the roads wasn’t so great

But the surrounding views were surreal

One slightly annoying factor was the countless interruptions we had to face due to the herds of goats, horses, and cows crossing along the way. Herders would force them aside once a car would come, and if the herd was too big, we would just have to wait and watch them pass.

A herd we came across on our way to Keran

A long journey later, we finally made it to Keran. Surrounded by beautiful cottages, lush green fields, and a river flowing right through it, none of us regretted our decision to stay here for a day.

The view from our cottage in Keran

Keran

Our next destination was Kel, a beautiful village even higher up the Neelum Valley. The quality of the roads at this point had further deteriorated and it was quite a challenging ride up the mountain to Kel. Once we reached Kel, we were in awe of the sheer beauty of this village.

Kel, a beautiful village

Kel

We had already decided to stay at Kel for two days which would allow us to further explore this place. The temperatures here were lower, and it was raining when we entered the village. The rain was followed by a strong hail, which was an absolute pleasure to experience.

After conversing with the locals, we discovered that there was an even more beautiful village further up the valley, Tao Butt. A shared jeep would take us there in four hours – even though the distance was less than 50 kilometres, the road to Tao Butt was no less than a roller coaster ride.

Tao Butt is the last known village in Neelum Valley. We were already amazed by the beauty of Azad Kashmir so far, but Tao Butt made us forget everything we had seen so far. It felt like we were in heaven.

Tao Butt

Tao Butt

Tao Butt

Tao Butt

Tao Butt

Tao Butt

I later realised that it was nothing but heavenly beauty, and there is nothing more beautiful than that. There is no other feeling like being this close to nature.

All photos: Habib Sajid

Habib Sajid

Habib Sajid

The author is a Content Marketer, travel enthusiast, Liverpool fanatic and tabdeeli advocate. He tweets as @habibsajidmir (twitter.com/habibsajidmir)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    Kashmiri want to join Pakistan ??? …… Bro, you are living in fools paradise. Read Catham House survey and understand Kashmiri give a damn to Pakistan?Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    Read ‘Abdur Rehman Commission Report’ and understand facts.Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    If Kashmir would have been Pakistan’s territory it would not have given Aksai Chin to China to win their support/Recommend

  • True Nationalist -Secularist

    This narrative of India’s involvement in liberation of Bangladesh is partly ok. But the root cause of separation of East Pakistan from West Pakistan, was due to disrespect shown by Political leadership of West Pakistan towards language, culture of East Pakistan. BanglaDeshi revolted due to arrogance of West Pakistani leadership and its Intelligentsia. Same mistake is being made now towards other ethnic minorities of remaining Pakistan . Remaining in denial mode cannot help you guys to save Pakistan..but learning from past mistakes and lessons from India’s secular, plural society will help Pakistan to remain united.Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha
  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    It is not Kashmiri who did any wrong. It is Pakistani forces and its mercenary Kabaili force which did wrong with normal Kashmiri by invading this territory and occupying it by force despite UN Resolution dated 13.4.1948 and thereafter?Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    Farhan Bhai, it is not the Article but the mindset which is offensive. Please also read Habib Sajid’s following comments to understand the mens ria while posting the blog.Recommend

  • Asfand Yaar Khan

    Habib, very nice article, reminds me of my last year tour to kashmir.
    Such wonderful place and people :’)

    To all those Indian who are busy spoiling this beautiful piece, I won’t quote any UN article or any history about this place.
    But there is a question, from last 5 to 6 decades Indians has been killing these innocent people who only ask for freedom and basic human rights. Which sadly, Is a big violence of International law and ethics. How would you justify all these killings?

    Secondly, Past is past. lets talk about present.
    the day our government came in to existence, they took a step to solve this crisis through creative problem solving, diplomacy and negotiation. But sadly, You government continued the same tradition. violated LOC, killed our soldiers, killed kashmiris and backed off.

    Act of your government clearly shows that there is something fishy that you can’t handle.

    And you still think that people of Kashmir want to be with the mass murderers of humanity. A BIG LOLLLLRecommend

  • Maratha warrior

    They are jobless youths paid by ISI for protests.Recommend

  • Maratha warrior

    Only place which is rightly yours is HELL…. You people have made a mess of great Indus Valley civilization, first make Pakistan a prosperous country and then ask for Kashmir.Recommend

  • Alba

    Please, Pakis! Don’t get harassed, convinced, molded, feel belittle or confused… If any, by Indian Resesrch & Destroy teams working 24/7/365 to break your morale and eventually the land you call Pakistan. It was as much Nehru & Gandhi’s effort as it was Jinnah’s to create this land. Sadly, due British Clown Mount Betton, there was so much bloodshed. Also, believe me; India is regretting every day for carving-out deeper into original map of Pak. Now we have more population to feed & clothe. We should have, instead dumped population center on you to feed & house. See how conquest is not a modern day “Victory”. We can’t ménage what we already have… Enjoy you land.Recommend

  • Habib Sajid

    Very well said. I’m glad you enjoyed the blog. CheersRecommend

  • Habib Sajid

    Are you aware of the fact that India is planting sectarian violence in Pakistan? Please do your research on that!Recommend

  • Wasif Gardazi

    @kamath…he well said and being a kashmiri I endorse his claim….. The martysm of above one lack kashmiries with the slogan (kashmir would become pakistan) preciously endorse it…Recommend

  • Habib Sajid

    It’s never fun to argue with you guys because of your illogical statements and baseless comments. So cheers, enjoy the pictures!Recommend

  • Habib Sajid

    You have no idea what it feels like to be misunderstood my friendRecommend

  • Habib Sajid

    How can you so conveniently speak for ‘Pakistani People’ , because I think you are mistakenRecommend

  • aPakCitizen

    Liaqat Ali Khan was not present at Quaid e Azam’s death bed, only a driver, his doctor, his sister and his ADC.

    I see someone up their mentioned about illiteracy.Recommend

  • Habib Sajid

    That’s only one side of the storyRecommend

  • Muhammad Hanif

    Dear Indians talking the rubbish is allowed in ur country not ours’ I am in Dubai i can see ur High Level of Decency baat karne ki tameez nahi hai en jahillun ko, you divided our country, you have forcefully grabe jammu & Kashmir.. we will take our Land From You What Ever Recommend

  • M hanif

    Get ready to handover Jummu & kashmir to Us.. See thats happening soonRecommend

  • rustam

    Indian are involved in every conspiracy to damage pakistan since the
    existance of pakistan begun in 1947. They were involved in Baluchistan,
    East Pakistan(Bngladesh) and Sindh disturbance and terrorism activities.
    Our only involment was in Kashmir which actually should be a part of
    Pakistan as people of Kashmir(IOK) always wants to be a part of Pakistan
    and still raising voice in every attemps and raising pakistani flag on
    every events. Just as India capture Junagadh and Hyderabad princely
    state.
    The indian Hindu only hates muslims and till date they are
    causing lots of attrocties to Indian muslims and also bangladeshi
    muslims. Just check Sacchar comitte report surveyed by none other than
    Indian Govt about the status of Muslims in India. For god shake I
    request to all muslims to be united in every condition as they(Hindus +
    Zionust) are only creating division among us and killing us everyday.
    They are not the well wishers.
    The same game they are playing in Afghanistan.Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    Incorrect Bro. It was first started in West Punjab and was going on from both sides. It was biggest human migration of history and tragedy of Partition. There is no alternative for us except to forget it and move forward. For your information my forefathers are from Khiwan and Sialkot but now we don’t crib about it …. :-)

    My humble advise to you ….. just removing opposing posts won’t help you. This censure-ship is one of the major cause of knowledge deficit in Pakistan.Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    You have little or no knowledge of history or even of present day politics. Please study more the subjects. However, keep interacting here to gain knowledge and viewpoints from across the border …. :-)Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    Please ask GOP for opening of Skardu-Kargil Road Route (proposed by India) on the lines of Aman Setu in Uri sector?Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    “giving us what is ours in something too much for your low level”

    Indian territory is not a piece of cake.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Even northern cyprus is, when are you asking for that?Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    What is their to be misunderstood, you have a typical Pakistani stand on Kashmir which makes you like a comment which says Pakistan will take away Kashmir from India if necessary by using force. I don’t blame you though because I did not expect any different from you.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    What is India’s ulterior motive? Is it an idea which believes that people of different faiths can co exist?Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    “Give us our land back and we’ll live peacefully ever after!”

    If not, would you unleash Hafiz Saeed’s and Maulana Masood’s? What do you mean by you won’t let us live in peace? Ever wondered if you have the stomach to absorb what India has been absorbing for three decades if and when India resorts to go full throttle in paying you back in kind.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Stop complaining when you have decided that India is your enemy and find a solution.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    By that same logic, Balochistan should be an independent nation.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    No country cuts down on its size to prove its moral credibility, you being the moral messiah of the Muslim world need to give Baloch the freedom.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    You have already done whatever you could which is as follows:

    1. Dividing the country.
    2. Waging wars.
    3. Sending terrorists.

    Kashmir is still with India.

    What else is left?Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Shows your intellect.

    Are you not the ones who claim that you ruled over Hindus for 1000 years and then the British carried on from there, how come Hindus killed you then and if they did how do you see so many Muslims and other non Hindu communities in India till date. Get some lessons in history from sources which are neutral.Recommend

  • pk

    Few years ago it was UmriKaka, who left you high and dry now your new master ChiniUncle will make your perfect communist. Few years down the lines we will be hearing, ” Our salaries are paid by Chinese communist party.”Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    “And since you have this much sense I think u will agree that India does not want us to have Kashmir.”

    Is that breaking news for you?Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    “India’s president clearly says he doesn’t want peace with Pakistan.”

    Would you enlighten us with your knowledge of who the Indian president is?Recommend

  • Bharat Mata Ki Jai

    Sorry,you are as delusional as ISIS.Nehru was an idealist and he was never a nationalist thatis why he took it to UN on the presumption that UN would declare pak as the aggressor because the king of Kashmir signed the instrument of accession with India just like the Khan of Kalat of Balochistan.Nehru is dead and his daughter Indira
    was a nationalist and Mr.Modi is also nationalist. You are saying that Usa saved India that’s just more conspiracy from wahhabi madrassa educated losers like you.India liberated more than 80% of paki occupied Kargil before UN and Usa condemned paki aggression and threatened to impose sanctions.Paki army occupied kargil heights which were vacated by Indian army during winter bcoz there was a bilateral agreement which allowed both sides to vacate high altitude bunkers during winter months and both sides promised not to occupy each others territory during this timeframe.When your PM sharif was holding talks with Indian PM,your military under musharaff occupied Indian vacated high altitude military bunkers during winter and when India asked what was going on.Your army claimed it was mujahideen and not paki army.Your army is a buch of pathetic liers and India succesfully provided evidence to UN along with military action.Pakistan army left when they lost all hopes of victory and soon your army eould stage a coup against Nawaz sharif,thats what happen.Pak winning a war against India is a day dream,Indian economy today is around 10 times larger than pakistan and naturally our defence budget also grew.Pakistan destroyed itself through civil war against TTP.Pak army cannot even defeat the TTPRecommend

  • Artful Dodger

    Pakistan is not a nation and hardly a state, it has no justification in history, ethnic origin, language, civilization or the consciousness of those who make up its population. You have no interest in common save one, Hindu domination.

    How can you claim Kashmir based on the fact that they are Muslim while ignoring the fact that Pashtuns are also divided by an artificial border between Afghanistan and Pakistan and routinely slaughtered by your military under dubious pretexts.

    Pakistan was created to be a spoiler in the region and it plays the part well. Pakistan is an artificial, revisionist and reactionary security state that will never be able to turn the corner. Your grandchildren will still be dreaming of ruling the Ummah when you can barely rule Karachi. Dream on, dream away.

    Recommend

  • Nouman Ahmed

    Kashmir is part of Pakistan. Period .Recommend

  • Afzal

    You are making too much use of this page just because it does not take you very long to reach here. Get out before someone catches you by neck and Make you see stars in the day light. They way you are muttering about Kashmir.Recommend

  • Bharat Mata Ki Jai

    China is a sane non-muslim majority nation and is not a terrorist country like pakistan.The Chinese don’t send terrorists to kill Indians unlike the sunni punjabi muslims (pakis).Indo-China realtions are stable and has very little historical baggage compared to Sino-Japan ties!! China is the second largest trading partner of India after Usa(Indo-Usa trade around 100 billion$ in 2015) and bilateral trade btw China and India is more than 70 billion$. China also announced 20 billion$ worth of investments in India when Mr.Xi visited India!!
    India and China are currently co-operating to build the BCIM economic corridor (Bangladesh china India Myanmar corridor).China is indeed viewed as a threat by most Indians but no Indians consider China as an enemy like pakistan.We also have nukes besides close ties with Usa,Japan, Vietnam,Australia etc(all these states have tense relations/border disputes with China) to deter a potential Chinese aggression.
    Chinese government also made it clear that territorial disputes won’t amount to war with India unlike pakis who constantly threaten India/Indians and sends terrorists aka mujahideen!!
    Last time Indian and Chinese soldiers exchanges fire was in the 1970s since the 1990s Sino-Indo relations improved through increasing trade.And another fact is more Chinese tourists visit India than pakistan.Pakistan is just a failed terrorist state which ranks #10 in the global failed state index.

    Recommend

  • Khurram Tiwana

    “Making Pakistan was my biggest blunder” Lt. Colonel Dr.Ilahi Bakhsh,who was personal physician of Quaid e Azam had mentioned this in his original memoirs (1949 ) but after his death in the subsequent editions this quote and few others have been purged.Recommend

  • Hakim

    Yes your pm run to us to request please stop else we will deadRecommend

  • James Malish

    It is amazing that a muslim majority country Pakistan was created by a descendant of a hindu lohana convert and a grandson most indian kashmiri ‘brahmin’ pandit convert!
    Yet, Pakistanis claims Kashmir and Pakistan to muslim arab land! What a pity!Recommend

  • Prashant

    Carry on..exactly the mindset which your enemies want you to be in.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    It’s Hamid Ur Rehman commission report.Recommend

  • Habib Sajid

    It’s a cheesy title for a travel blog – I’m surprised that my neighbors don’t have a sense of humor!Recommend

  • Habib Sajid

    I wish this idea existed at the time of and before the partition. Life would be so much easier :)Recommend

  • Habib Sajid

    Okay. Sending it you, wait.Recommend

  • Habib Sajid

    Oh I’m working on it, thanks for remindingRecommend

  • Habib Sajid

    I know India is trying really hard to make that happen.Recommend

  • Habib Sajid

    Hahaha this article was not about the Kashmir issue, I’m just surprised at the hate u Indians have for usRecommend

  • Habib Sajid

    I can say the same for you :)Recommend

  • Habib Sajid

    Which of my comments is offensive bro?Recommend

  • Milind A

    Flag-wavers can be bought dime-a-dozen. So most of those are fence-sitters bought by some rogues pumped up by money from your ISIRecommend

  • Milind A

    Most of Pakistan from Peshawar identify more with their Pashtun ethnicity. Moreover Afghanistan does not recognize the Durand Line and is not happy with you swallowing their territory till Peshawar. First hand that portion to Afghanistan, free Balochistan and then come to talk about Kashmir.Recommend

  • Milind A

    Pakis have already sold themselves to China… There’s not a word on Chinese oppression of fellow Muslims by Pakistanis, who otherwise don’t miss out an opportunity to shed crocodile tears for Rohingyas, Kashmiris, Palestinians etc.Recommend

  • Bharat Mata Ki Jai

    Pakistan cannot even protect itself from TTP and other sectarian islamists.lol
    Pak army should first defeat TTP beforing chanting India.LMAORecommend

  • razdanraz

    Very truly said. Muslims will always forgive and forget but the Hindu is viciously revengeful and unforgiving. There are a few sensible Hindus but very few. To show their hate for muslims Hindu government has chosen to make Israel their best friend and partner despite the fact that the Arab world including palestine are so nice to them. Indians by the millions live and work in the Muslim middle east and other Muslim countries. Bollywood is a massive foreign exchange earner for India. Mumbai is rich because of dubai. Yet the Hindus hate muslims
    Very ungrateful people.Recommend

  • razdanraz

    Were you sitting next to Jinnah when said that ? Where did u get this rubbish from?Recommend

  • Habib Sajid

    They couldn’t at the timeRecommend

  • Habib Sajid

    Is that breaking news to youRecommend

  • Bobb Mack

    You are right on all counts except that it is not over yet. And you have made no mention that your country has been bleeding for decades thanks to your short sighted and silly policy against Kashmiri people and Pakistan. Your thought process is messed with severe perceptual distortion so that you are happy with your pseudo-euphoria and life under a psychedelic smoke. This smoke needs to wither before you can have a better idea of any future combat. One does not require to have more than basic intelligence to see that in most of the combats of the past Pakistan was clearly far less resourced than its adversary but the situation today is different and we hope to see vastly different outcome in any future confrontation. Let us wait and see.Recommend

  • Muhammad

    What can one say other than assuming that your thinking faculty is located in your knees rather than in your brain which seems to be of a rudimentary size. I wonder why you are the person as reflected in your ranting and raving here. ?? a genetic defect or just a part of your national character. Recommend

  • Amit

    Dear Brother,

    May god forgive you since you don’t know what you’re saying. Before blaming India for 1971, please look at how your own army treated Bengalis. 3,000,000 Bengalis were killed. India was forced to get involve due to 10 million Bengali refugees enters India.
    On all your argument on Pakistan build up of defense. You know what cost it was achieve. Pakistan had better potential than India and was growing faster than India in 1960’s but you spoil all your economic potential for Kashmir. Which you can never get. Being educated, be realistic. Gap between India and Pakistan is widening every year.
    India growing at rate of 8% and Pakistan 4%Recommend

  • Amit

    Brother look in present not past. This year India starting growing faster than China and whole world is looking at India as manufacturing base.

    May god forgive you since you don’t know what you’re saying. Before blaming India for 1971, please look at how your own army treated Bengalis. 3,000,000 Bengalis were killed. India was forced to get involve due to 10 million Bengali refugees enters India.

    Pakistan had better potential than India and was growing faster than India in 1960’s but you spoil all your economic potential for Kashmir. Which you can never get. Being educated, be realistic. Gap between India and Pakistan is widening every year.

    India growing at rate of 8% and Pakistan 4%Recommend

  • Ibn-Arastoo Ibn-aflatoon Ibn-B

    Good ! our hearts still can tell what is beautiful and what is not! now try to make Lahore and Karachi as beautiful too and if you helped India become as beautiful a land as Kashmir then they will more likely let the Kashmiris become independent. You must wonder “How can we make Karachi a desert city as beautiful as Kashmir?” Have you forgotten that you believe in a God who parted the Nile so a people could be free from the Pharoah. Have you forgotten that he makes water spring from the very ground for Ismail and his descendants? If it can snow in Houston (same latitude as Karachi) then it can snow in Karachi. Have faith and Kashmir will be free. Love and respect your neighbors but do not imitate their culture or customs.

    Look to the best people (the Arabs, the Europeans, the Canadians, the Russians) and learn the best customs from them when they were at the pinnacle of their civilization. Avoid looking or imitating the East. Very soon all of earth will resemble Kashmir (and better than that it will resemble Europe which is like Kashmir but thousands of miles of Kashmir AND Europe has modern infrastructure AND beautiful people too AND loving people too)Recommend

  • mehran awan

    FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS no interest thats why Kashmir people are facing large of problems.Recommend

  • mehran awan

    PM Nawz Also belongs to Kashmir but doesn’t give time To Pm Of AJK for a Meeting.He shows no interest for Kashmir.There are no any major projects like metro ,pulls,roadsRecommend

  • Jehangir Khan Mescanzai.

    You are mostly correct. The Bengalis were treated as second
    class citizens. Ethnically inferior. That is true. If you are Wahabi
    Sunni you are fine and protected. Any other religious minorities
    find a way out of the Land of the Pure. Fast, quick. if you can.
    However, India being a secular, plural society is a big crass
    joke. Since the Vermilion Lord took over, India is now Bharat.
    It is a country for Hindus ONLY. Other minorities find your way
    out, if you can. RSS, the Bajrang Dalis, the Shiv Sena have declared,..Hindustan is for Hindus only. For the rest, tough luck.Recommend

  • Prashant

    It is not your love of the Indians which cost the subcontinent a million live in 1947 and another 3 million when you decided to go on a rampage in 1971 against those who opted for Pakistan in 1947 by choice and not under any compulsion.Recommend

  • Prashant

    Exactly the mindset which cost you the eastern half in 1971, don’t be surprised though if India is working on your vulnerabilities that is exactly what Pakistan has been doing for long.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    “One does not require to have more than basic intelligence to see that in most of the combats of the past Pakistan was clearly far less resourced than its adversary but the situation today is different and we hope to see vastly different outcome in any future confrontation. Let us wait and see.”

    Not every country is as short sighted as yours, Pakistan does not fight a war with India or send terrorists to India because you are more powerful than us, you do so believing India would act responsibly and not cross the border and hence even if there is a conflict, it would be a short of war as it was post 26/11 which of course was a conspiracy for a large section of Pakistanis. Let me tell you Pakistan is right on this count, India will not fight a war with Pakistan considering the nuclear dimension but India would not keep quiet either. There are other options, the option of responding in kind to Pakistan for what it has been doing to us since early 1980’s, India has absorbed these attacks for more than 3 decades, let us see if Pakistan has what it takes to absorb and survive when responded in kind by a country which is far bigger than yourself.

    As far as the 1962 is concerned, yes it was a humiliation and is seen as humiliation by India, we do not celebrate the day we lost to China as “Youm-e-Difa”
    .Recommend

  • Gratgy

    Because he shows common sense?Recommend

  • Gratgy

    And vice versa :)Recommend

  • Gratgy

    Will Pakistan remain part of Pakistan, that is the ultimate question. its already half owned by the ChineseRecommend

  • Gratgy

    How do you catch someone by the neck on the internet. Probably when you have smoked enough dope. That explains seeing stars in daylightRecommend

  • Brooklin

    Sorry, Habib. But the title contradicts your claim.Recommend

  • Brooklin

    Yes, Hindus are revengeful and unforgiving. We are seeing how Muslims around the world, in contrast, are living peaceful, humane, untrammeled lives contributing their share of modern ideas and technologies to the world. While Hindus sulk and plot 24/7 to bring down the Pure land to the east. Yes, black is white and white is black in your self-created world. And the religion you profess to follow is one of peace and harmony. (Your desert ancestors descended on a peaceful, creative, people, killed or converted them by the millions, tried to destroy their civilization as was done successfully in all previous lands they invaded – but did not succeed as Hindus/Buddhists remained in the majority even today.) Your land was created out of Hindu-majority India, not the other way around. Your “Islamic” lands in India were defeated, destroyed, and the last remnant of Mughals (foreigners) dismantled 200 years ago by the British. The Europeans gave India its freedom in 1947 and left behind connections to the modern and rational world, instead of some backwater-barbaric-savage medieval civilization.Recommend

  • Brooklin

    Jinnah’s DAWN newspaper?Recommend

  • Jor El

    “You didn’t explain why Kashmir is rightfully yours?”Recommend

  • Brooklin

    Isloo, Pakistan’s destroyed the “Muslimness” of Kashmir when it gave half of its share of G-B to China, an atheist country with historical claims to Kashmir. You give India back 400,000 square KM of Pakistan which you got for ALL Indian Muslims, and I am sure Indians will be willing to negotiate on Kashmir. :-) As a descendant of foreigners – Arabs? Turks?- Islooboy, you should be glad Hindus are not demanding you vacate the whole Pure land and move in with the lovely brother Saudis or Erdogan. The defeat and dismantling of Islamic lands over 200 years ago by the British means there are no more Islamic lands left on the soil of ancient holy Hindu India. Live with that reality.Recommend

  • Jor El

    Chadha sa’ab, frankly i found nothing offensive in his blog …
    u must grant him a little latitude to put across his point of view …Recommend

  • Brooklin

    Majority non-Muslim India was occupied and ruled for a thousand years by blood-thirsty Muslim minority invaders from Arabia and other Islamic places. Kashmir has been occupied by Indian army for just 68 years. Calculate how many more years are left? (Use a calculator, dear Samra, as it might be too difficult for a product of the Pakistani madressah-based school system.)Recommend

  • Jor El

    Ur postis neither here,nor there … how does it matter who took what where ???Recommend

  • Brooklin

    Habib, you seem like a truly nice guy. But you may not know these small facts: (a) Pakistan was demanded as a land for Indian Muslims by your late MA Jinnah; (b) Pakistani army invaded Hari Singh-ruled Kashmir in 1948 and gobbled up G-B and other parts (55% of Kashmir land area). J&K is only 45% of Kashmir and is the land of Kashmiri Pandits. You may know two of the famous ones: Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru and his daughter Indira Gandhi.Recommend

  • Brooklin

    When UN passed that stupid resolution in 1948, there were only 45 members and Pakistan was a freshly created land, albeit based on religion. Today, UN has 199 members, many quite familiar with the terrorism and violence coming from that land. Al Qaeda and OBL were created and sheltered in Pakistan. Imagine a Kashmir resolution today.Recommend

  • Brooklin

    BMX, So they’ve rewritten history of India to such an extent in Pakistan that up is down and down is up, black is white and white is black. Pretty soon you’ll claim Indus Valley was an Islamic civilization and Hindus were invaders who forced their way in. The time concept and sequential nature of history is not a problem when everything is created out of whole (hole?) cloth. Pray tell what other religions predated Hinduism (older than Judaism and Zoroastrianism)? Name one. Then, provide proof.Recommend

  • Brooklin

    Are you? You can never be too sure.Recommend

  • Brooklin

    If cowardice is genetic, then, unless you are an A-rab, you must have the same trait(s). Pakistan is only 67 years old. So, in you we have a miracle of evolution – non-stinking, non-cowardly people so different from Indians from whom they evolved (unless you are a stinking A-rab). Of course, your comment also amply demonstrate the lousy state of education in Pakistan..Recommend

  • Brooklin

    SK, people need to be reminded of General Colin Powell’s advice to Dubya/Cheney/Rumsfeld: If you break it (Iraq), you own it. Jinnah broke India, yet his countrymen remain unrepentant and unapologetic about the millions of deaths, human lives uprooted and destroyed, one of the largest genocides of the 20th century committed by the West Pakistani army, planting the seeds of global terrorism, and starting and maintaining jihadi organizations to date. Let’s not forget all the wars begun by Pakistan, including Mumbai. Height of Chutzpah: Receiving billions of dollars in aid from the US for fighting terrorism and then denying the existence of OBL in Pakistan. Recommend

  • Brooklin

    With few exceptions, Pakistanis are an obsessive-compulsive personalities lacking any iota of humanity, sanity, rationality, reality.Recommend

  • Brooklin

    Hark, the esteemed Muhammad has spoken. Peace loving and perfect as usual. Yours must be higher than the knees. Recommend

  • An Indian

    Enjoy the free lunch while you can. Soon enough you will need to stand in front of the Indian embassy for a visa to visit all these places.Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    Your title attracted many Indian’s …. :-) Further, your following comments gives the mindset of the writer. Sir, it is upon you …. You may take our replies also with sense of humor …… :-)))))Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    You seems to be well read? If that be so, I am sure you have definitely came across these quotes …… :-)))))Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    Habib Bhai, do you know that after 1971 war India did not return the occupied territories in J&K? The name ‘Ceasefire Line’ was changed to ‘Line of Control’ precisely for this reason.
    Read BB’s words to Mush during Kargil when she said that if we fail in Kargil adventure we had to concede PHK & GB as it is breaking of ‘Simla Agreement’?
    Loosing unlawful occupation of PHK & GB is the biggest fear of Pakistan’s polity and establishment. There only survival is to keep this issue alive for rest of J&K. The entire world now understands this game plan of Pakjabi rulers.Recommend

  • http://gravatar.com/skchadha SKChadha

    Who said your comments are offensive? You have a particular mindset which is opposing to India, Indian’s or world at large’s thinking.Recommend