Balochistan 3: Pakistan’s dirty little closet full of skeletons

Published: May 28, 2015
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Still displaced, merely forgotten - the unchangeable state in Baluchistan. Photo: Reuters

In the aftermath of Sabeen Mahmud’murder, essentially right after the cancellation of the LUMS talk, a large number of people voiced their anger against those who tried to highlight state abuses in Balochistan

Mama Qadeer, in particular, came under fire but people vocal about the issue were also accused of being traitorous, or at least of lacking patriotism, or colluding with separatists or, well, you get the idea.

The groups under fire have expressed shock over the reaction they have faced. All they were trying to do was highlight the basics – human rights violations, human life itself. Human life, in theory, should be the foremost concern of every decent person, even in an indecent society.

In Pakistan, however, that is perhaps too much to ask for.

As mentioned in part two, an overlooked aspect of the Balochistan issue is that tactics employed by Baloch insurgents are similar to those that are used by Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) in FATA and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (K-P). Another overlooked aspect is that the state’s security apparatus has also employed similarly abusive tactics in K-P/FATA to deal with them.

Read part 1 and part 2 of this three part series here.

The displacement of population, like parts of the Bugti Tribe, has been witnessed in South Waziristan. Distrust of the populace and delayed rehabilitation has also been witnessed. The raising/backing of pro-government militia to fight insurgents, as alleged to take place in Balochistan, is another common occurrence in the long fight against the Taliban.

There’s more – Amnesty International’s report in 2012, The Hands of Cruelty, details some of the other abuses committed by the Pakistani forces in tribal areas. These include abductions, torture, deaths in custody and dumping of bodies. They also include ‘enforced disappearances’, again, like the ones that have brought Balochistan into the limelight. If anything, the intensity seems to be greater, with the report noting 2,000 court cases filed by 2012, compared to only 135 by 2015 for Balochistan.

In addition, the people in FATA and parts of K-P face intensive artillery and aerial bombing campaigns in populated areas, villages and towns. These atrocities have forced millions to move and caused unprecedented damage to property and, one would imagine, to life. Imagine, because even though there are recorded instances of gunship helicopters firing indiscriminately and mowing down everyone in crowded main bazaars, no figures of civilian deaths have been compiled by any organisation whatsoever.

This is because their lives, or deaths, are not relevant to politics of any organisation, or any group. In fact, highlighting the above mentioned tragedies is considered, by most of us, as detrimental to the greater good.

According to Wikileaks, A prominent Pakistani human rights lawyer and the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP), when investigating human rights violations in the wake of the Swat operation, were said to have actually covered up the military’s abuses. The rights body, that has been vocal on Balochistan, did so in order to “avoid arming the militants’ propaganda machine”.

Is it a secret that the establishment doesn’t want its abuses in Balochistan to be highlighted for the same reason the HRCP covered them up in Swat? What happens when someone is intent on highlighting abuses another group would rather have swept under the carpet?

Let’s take the example of drone strikes. Not only is that a violation of international law, but also the purest, most arbitrary form of extrajudicial killings we have seen in the last decade.

Unlike in the case of missing persons, there are no arrests, no interrogations, no one is released. Drone attacks have killed roughly the same number of children as the number of enforced disappearances the HRCP could confirm in Balochistan.

Yet many that are appalled by the atrocities elsewhere have cheered them on. They have mocked protests against drone strikes with religious fervour and admonished the protesters as informers or supporters of TTP.

Is that at all different from what happened last month? In terms of efforts to hide the truth about military brutality; the vitriol against those who protest; evidently, only the roles have changed.

The same people who are willing to overlook abuses and attack dissenters in one conflict for the greater good can be at the other end of vitriol for highlighting abuses in another theatre, for the greater good.

This is the sad reality of discourse in our country. Around the world, peoples’ politics decide the human rights causes they get behind. In Pakistan, our politics decides the human rights abuses we get behind.

Read part 1 and part 2 of this three part series here.

Ali Ahmed

Ali Ahmed

A student, a freelancer, a Lahori stuck in Islamabad. Ali tweets @SkyisNeela

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Kumar

    what are you writing man?. Please stop posting these kind articles in Pakistan. It not a free world.Recommend

  • Mahesh

    Stay safe! Best wishes!Recommend

  • shehryar

    @ author
    I tried my best not to judge you while reading your article but you made it so hard for me.

    “Another overlooked aspect is that the state’s security apparatus has also employed similarly abusive tactics in K-P/FATA to deal with them”
    What kind of abusive tactics?? Would u care to explain

    “the people in FATA and parts of K-P face intensive artillery and aerial bombing campaigns in populated areas, villages and towns”

    Can you Please name those populated areas?? Not all, just five

    “because even though there are recorded instances of gunship helicopters firing indiscriminately and mowing down everyone in crowded main bazaars”

    can you please quote one such “recorded” instance???Recommend

  • Leo

    it’s really sad to read your blog,you,brother, really need to research a bit harder.linking sabeen’s case to army is so unfair. Didn’t u hear about saad that IBA graduate who confessed her murder. Didn’t u hear the interview of barahumdagh bugti to talat hussain in which he expressively said he is getting support from india.
    do u have any knowledge about the no. of attacks in balochistan claimed by BLA and affiliates.Don’t u know about the ZIARAT RESIDENCY incidence. and if the army counters these insurgents,people like u call it brutality.
    why would the army of a country kill its own people in one province whereas they are sacrificing their lives in rest of the country.shame on u for writing such a piece of crap.
    perhaps it’s a very easy topic now days to get publicity( a bad one).Recommend

  • Ahmad, Zubaid

    Why did you make three parts instead of one. you could have just made one article consider how useless the information was.Recommend

  • Biased

    I think Pakistani “security forces” should first read the applicable human rights to the terrorists, in fact mirandize them

    Ms. S: It could apply to drones as you say vide infra; but the subscription fee is a billion bucks annually. Recommend

  • Samir

    brave and honest article !Recommend

  • Emad

    It’s very convenient that articles after articles suddenly pop up (3 in your case) right after the economic corridor is announced; i think it serves great purpose as to try and portray a very negative image of Pakistan in order to limit Pakistan’s growth as much as possible. Besides all the speculation i am a person who believes in the rule of law which means that if you claim something about someone else you HAVE to be able to prove this in a court of law and quite frankly all we hear is false allegations against the army without any concrete evidence; the fact to the matter is that if someone goes “missing” you cannot prove that it is done by only one group because there is also a possibility that someone else might have kidnapped the person for their own gains in order to precisely portray that image. A great example of that comes from the murder of Sabeen MahmudRecommend

  • Queen

    If we look at the web pages of BSO-Azad, Talaar News, Balochwarna, and the likes, then the agenda of Mama Qadeer and so-called Baloch leaders will become clear to everyone. It comes as no surprise that the Balochistan issue has suddenly propped up after the announcement of the Pakistan-China economic corridor project. It is also no surprise that the propaganda carried out against the armed forces died down when a militant confessed the killing of Sabeen Mehmud. If establishment would have had been involved as it is being propagated by certain quarters , then it would not have had been possible for Mama Qadeer and Farzana Majeed to conduct a long march across the country for missing persons. I wonder why are Baloch sardars living in foreign countries when they claim that their people are suffering at the hands of the state?Recommend

  • Akbar

    People in the human rights and legal domains (and um…some students) are uselessly recycling this ‘army needs to be more accountable’ line. Armed forces all over the world operate in the same way against anti-state actors. Is that so hard to understand?Recommend

  • Yasir

    From CIVIC Report: Civilians in armed conflict. http://civiliansinconflict.org/uploads/files/publications/civilian_harm_in_nw_pakistan_oct_2010.pdf

    ” Ghulam Noor was walking to his
    village bazaar in Bajaur Agency when a helicopter gunship opened fire. “They were shelling just in the bazaar…
    it was indiscriminate fire, not discriminating between people and militants…the shrapnel struck me in the leg
    and the head.” Ghulam Noor, recently married with a four-month old son, is now paralyzed”

    Sra Vela, Mirali, Waziri Kot, http://www.lhrtimes.com/2012/05/19/tribesmen-of-nwa-demands-compensation-from-govt-for-causalities-destruction-of-houses-shops-in-miranshah-bazaar-during-may-06-operation-46797/ Makin. Miranshah Bazaar was almost completely destroyed http://fatareforms.org/?attachment_id=6015

    The tactics are listed in the very next line from where you have ended the quote,

    “The displacement of population, like parts of the Bugti Tribe, has been witnessed in South Waziristan. Distrust of the populace and delayed rehabilitation has also been witnessed. The raising/backing of pro-government militia to fight insurgents, as alleged to take place in Balochistan, is another common occurrence in the long fight against the Taliban.

    There’s more – Amnesty International’s report in 2012, The Hands of Cruelty, details some of the other abuses committed by the Pakistani forces in tribal areas. These include abductions, torture, deaths in custody and dumping of bodies. They also include ‘enforced disappearances’, again, like the ones that have brought Balochistan into the limelight. If anything, the intensity seems to be greater, with the report noting 2,000 court cases filed by 2012, compared to only 135 by 2015 for Balochistan.”

    If you can literally not even read something in front of you, please stay inside. Recommend

  • Arbit

    @Emad says: ” i am a person who believes in the rule of law which means that if you claim something about someone else you HAVE to be able to prove this in a court of law ”
    Pray tell me how many people killed as part of Zarb-e-azb have been tried under the “due process” and prosecuted according to your “rule of law”?Recommend

  • Nero

    The Baloch insurgency started in 1948, and hasn’t “suddenly propped up after the announcement of the Pakistan-China economic corridor project.” There have been atleast four rounds of active insurgency and a continuous low grade armed opposition since 1948. Almost all the Baloch sardars are in the pocket of the establishment, except four. The only answer is to become a true democratic state, not a local version of British imperial state, which the Pakistan army had original genesis in.Recommend

  • Striver

    Indeed it is not a free world. If it was India wold allow human rights organisation into Kashmir for an independent assessment of atrocities by cowards called “indian soldiers”.

    It seems Pakistan is more free than India.Recommend

  • Striver

    Would care to highlight the fact that India has been behind the insurgency since 1948? But this is an inconvenient truth for you.

    Evidence exists for those who want to learn the truth but Tribune won’t let it be produced here perhaps because of copyright issues.

    What @Queen is referring to is these elements suddenly becoming pro-active as soon as the CPEC is announced. Recommend

  • shehryar

    the Army always warn n announce before carrying out any aerial or artillery bombing. A deadline is given and before that people have to leave that area. It’s a very common and well coordinated practice which was highlighted during zarb e azab by Pakistani media but unfortutely Civiliansjnconflict.org and lhrtimes wouldnt tell you that.

    Do you understand Pakistan Army is engaged in a guerilla war that has been going on for more than a decade n it’s against one of the most organised militant groups. They have lost more than 4000 soldiers.Abduction, torture, deaths in custody and dumping of bodies must have happened but how do you know they’re not terrorists.
    Gunship helicopters don’t go for indiscriminate shooting. There’s a telescopic sight unit for the gunner inside Pakistan’s AH1F. They’re always after a precise and pre selected target unless it is about supporting own forces under attack. What makes you think that a Pakistani gunner would fire indiscriminately at his own people??
    Collateral damage is a well defined term in war and you can’t use it to malign Army’s efforts in FATA.
    Talibans killing each other in their shura while selecting there new leader and recent separation of Mehsud faction from TTP isn’t dirty tactics. How about calling it smart tactics.

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  • Striver

    If you care to read your sources, one source has asked the militants groups to stop targeting civilian population. The other source says weaponry was also destroyed in the raid by PakArmy.

    If you think India is your friend then think twice. It would not try and block the CPEC. The corridor will bring economic prosperity to Balochistan.Recommend

  • shehryar

    Spot onRecommend

  • shehryar

    And as expected while discussing civilians sufferings due to ongoing conflict, you’d never say a word about Army’s welfare projects in FATA helping thousands of civilians Recommend

  • Solomon2

    “Let’s take the example of drone strikes. Not only is that a violation of international law, but also the purest, most arbitrary form of extrajudicial killings we have seen in the last decade.”

    Under post-9/11 U.N. Security Council Resolution 1373 (Chapter VII), member states have the sovereign obligation to eliminate terror financing, terror training camps, and terror havens on their territory. Failure to do so nulls their sovereignty with respect to terrorists. Thus, the drone strikes against terrorists in such areas are legal under international law – these areas are open battlegrounds.

    Just because drone strikes themselves can be legal does not suspend the humanitarian laws of conducting war. It is important to draw these distinctions for the deaths of children via drone strikes are not illegal under international law when these children have been employed as human shields by terrorists.Recommend

  • http://www.defence.pk Pakistan Defence

    Says a dude who has never stepped foot in FATA nor provides a shred of evidence to support these silly claims. Before every military operation the civilians were evacuated then resettled, unless Mr Ali Ahmed has been living in a cave.

    “Recorded instances of gunship helicopters firing indiscriminately and mowing down everyone in crowded main bazaars”Recommend

  • Emad

    Before the start of the operation in Zarb-e-Azb all local populace was told to leave the area and most did hence you have IDP’s, the ones remaining either fled to Afghanistan or still remain inside the Area because they are truly following TTP hence the army has full support of Law to prosecute any armed individual it finds in the area and of course if you have studied Law you would know. Besides that TTP is a declared terrorist organisation worldwide while the Pakistan Army is obviously not (unless you count Indians and thier silly logic)Recommend

  • liberal-lubna-fromLahore

    my head hurts. i still dont have a clue whats happening in balochistan. please give a simple explanation.
    Come to think of it, I mean we are all humans on one planet and its like we are all humans, its not even like there r super beings or aliens among us that we are worried about and we have just made life so complicated for each other by just being humans.Recommend

  • Ariel_the_Sylph

    is the murder of Nawab Bughti a false allegation as well?

    People all over the country try to justify the army operations in order to maintain a “One unit” Pakistan, which of course it isnt. It never was that aside from the masters proclaiming it to be so.
    Also the “court of law” isnt the only place where justice is top be had, If law is administered by tyrants and written in to “constitution” by invaders, it has no validity except in the mind of those who benefit from it.

    The so called “economic corridor” is a shameful act. Pakistani’s have been for decades trying to sell the gwadar land to anyone who wants it. It doiesnt belong to the Pakistan , its in fact a Baloch land. No other country sells their land to others. Recommend

  • Ariel_the_Sylph

    giving a warning that we are going to bombard is no justification for an army to lay siege to its citizens. Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    “…assessment of atrocities by cowards called “indian soldiers”.

    Killing millions in East Pakistan must be bravery for you.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    “Evidence exists for those who want to learn the truth but Tribune won’t let it be produced here perhaps because of copyright issues.”

    Where is the evidence, the evidence that you and your leadership talks of but never able to present anywhere?

    “….lements suddenly becoming pro-active as soon as the CPEC is announced.”

    The economic corridor is the solution to all issues being faced by Pakistan, I hope you are not going to crib 10 years down the lane that this project failed due to conspiracies.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    “I wonder why are Baloch sardars living in foreign countries when they claim that their people are suffering at the hands of the state?”

    Because not every country treats its separatists the way India treats Syed Ali Shah Geelani and the rest of the Hurriyat, the Baloch renegades I am sure would not want to rest with Nawab Akbar Bugti wherever his resting place is.Recommend

  • seismann

    Your statement and attitude reflects the reason these kinds of articles need to be written.Only a paranoid person might think these articles were written in response to economic corridor.Recommend

  • seismann

    That is the function of human rights organizations,especially so when there are people like you in denial.Recommend

  • seismann

    Then what is your ISI and other agencies doing in this regard?Paranoia has no limits.Recommend

  • seismann

    Same could apply to Drone strikes.Recommend

  • Hypocrisy?

    Staunch nationalist Nawab Khair Bakhsh Marri died peacefully and safely within Pakistan in Karachi after living there for quite some time. How could a veteran and openly nationalist Baloch leader live safely in Karachi while other far less influential “renegades” claim to be at risk?Recommend

  • Hypocrisy?

    He called the (well-documented) killing of innocent Kashmiris by Indian soldiers as cowardly. How exactly does that translate into him thinking that killing of other innocents is bravery?

    At-least have the guts to call a spade a spade instead of dodging and confusing the statement with accusations the original comment never made.Recommend

  • Biased

    It could but your annual subscription will be a billion. One false move and GLOC privileges will be suspendedRecommend

  • Queen

    The agencies are doing their job which is why were are seeing chatter and ‘paranoia’ across the border.Recommend

  • Queen

    The evidence will be presented during the upcoming US-Pakistan strategic dialogue. It seems Mr Parrikar is seriously concerned which is why jingoism has risen across the border. If our ‘friendly’ neighbors did not create any turmoil then we are sure that the project will not fail due to conspiracies.Recommend

  • Queen

    True. Unlike its neighbor which has deployed 300,000 troops to carry out atrocities against people for demanding their right to self determination, Pakistan is making efforts to bring economic development in the region. It is difficult for Indians to understand that Kashmir is an international dispute while Balochstan is Pakistan’s internal matter. It seems that India’s involvement in promoting terrorism in Pakistan has made India forget the basics of how international relations work.Recommend

  • Arbit

    “army has full support of Law to prosecute” – correct. ‘Prosecute’ being the operative word, not kill without proof. Besides – isn’t the logic you gave the same as what US gives for drone strikes? They are in that area so they must be terrorists or sympathizers and hence deserve this?
    “TTP is a declared terrorist organisation worldwide” – So is LeT and JeD, worldwide. Recommend

  • Striver

    As long as this sort of mindset exists in India against Pakistan, there will never be peace. Modi’s policies in particular, against Pakistan are short-sighted. My prediction is in 5 years time you Indians will regret you ever voted for him.

    CPEC is for the development of the whole region. India feels threatened because it threatens its hegemony.

    Evidence is not for public consumption. Evidence is placed before the perpetrators. Pakistan has done that. Your opinion in these matters means nothing.

    If India continues to sabotage CPEC as it plans to, of course all fingers will be pointing at India in 10 years time. or earlier.

    What your leaderships needs to understand, by setting the mindset of its people against Pakistan, India is sowing the seeds if generations long animosity, Its not good for India its not good for the region.Recommend

  • Striver

    Indeed Paranoia has no limited. You Indians get sacred a a stray pigeon as being an ISI agent. Foolishness has no bounds may you continue to thrive in it.Recommend

  • Striver

    Yes but bravery for your cowards only because the killings were done by the Indians dressed in PakArmy uniforms.

    Your cowards continue to rape Kashmisri women. Look under own collar before you comment on PK. Truth is bitter for you to digest.Recommend

  • Akbar

    Whos denying what? the army kills (makes missing) people associated with subversive militant groups in balochistan. then people like you want to ‘give them a voice’. Not sure what you guys want… A BLA day-care center? build one in your home and spare the rest of pakistan, thanks.Recommend

  • Akbar

    you could always invite some displaced citizens to your home. as a former PM once said, ‘whos stopping you?’Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    How many forces you have in balochistan and how are they perceived by the Bloch, how many did you have in east Pakistan and what was the fallout? Does it have to be an international dispute for the moral messiah of the Muslim world to be fair, Baloch are also Muslims, where is your morality gone?

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  • Prashant

    The Americans will respond to you by asking where is zaki ur Rahman lakhvi and why is Hafez Saeed roaming around ranting against India and US freely, would you tell them you are free to hate and kill others while the rest must keep quiet? Recommend

  • Queen

    When Pakistan talks about the atrocities being carried out against Muslims in Indian-occupied Kashmir then Pakistan is censured for ‘interfering’ in India’s internal affairs while the fact is that Kashmir is an international dispute concerning two countries in which Pakistan is a major stakeholder. While on the other side, Indians urge Pakistan to exercise ‘morality’ when it comes to maintaining law and order in Pakistan’s own territory Balochistan…..Clearly proves India’s interference in Balochistan.Recommend

  • Queen

    Pakistan will provide answers to the US when questions will be raised about Zaki of Hafiz Saeed but the mere fact that Pakistan is going to raise India’s involvement in promoting terrorism in Pakistan at the international level and that too with the United states has robbed Indian leadership of its sleep. The jingoistic statements issued by Mr Parrikar and Ms Sushma Swaraj are blatant proof of the Indian paranoia.Recommend

  • Ariel_the_Sylph

    they are not “displaced citizens” they are a people under attack by a series of regimes in their own homes.Recommend

  • Ariel_the_Sylph

    yes and they are held accountable to war crimes.Recommend

  • seismann

    Pakistan never fulfilled the first requirement of UN resolution.Now 4 generations have passed,and the LOC will have to be accepted as the border.Recommend

  • seismann

    BLA have their own land to build houses on,the land of their ancestors to which they have the rightful claim.I guess Pakistan will be spared when Baloch demands are met.Recommend

  • seismann

    Let USA worry about the subscription.Recommend

  • seismann

    Killed a million East Pakistanis,and 40 years after,Pakistan has not apologized.The callousness of Pakistan vs Bangladesh that has been from 1947 have persisted,and still persists.Pakistani Parliament passes resolutions when Bangladesh executes war-criminals,but hasn’t passed a resolution of apology.
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  • Biased

    No worries here bud. Back on topic: Paks do not need any subscriptions to exterminate Baluch terrorists…..worry free! In or outside the closet.Recommend

  • Queen

    Pakistan is a sovereign country and it cannot be coerced into accepting any nonsensical demand.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    “Modi’s policies in particular, against Pakistan are short-sighted. My prediction is in 5 years time you Indians will regret you ever voted for him.”

    We would rather want a man to act and fail than someone who fails for not trying.

    “Evidence is not for public consumption. Evidence is placed before the perpetrators. Pakistan has done that. Your opinion in these matters means nothing.”

    When you have no evidence that is the best answer, would you care to explain why does the entire word asks Pakistan to do more which many Pakistanis crib and complain about?

    “If India continues to sabotage CPEC as it plans to, of course all fingers will be pointing at India in 10 years time. or earlier.”

    The deal has just been signed and you have decided your enemies even before chalking out your plans to execute this deal.

    “What your leaderships needs to understand, by setting the mindset of its people against Pakistan, India is sowing the seeds if generations long animosity, Its not good for India its not good for the region.”

    It is not your love of us which brought your country into existence with a million dead bodies. Your love of us has cost us Indians too many innocent lives since independence.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    “The jingoistic statements issued by Mr Parrikar and Ms Sushma Swaraj are blatant proof of the Indian paranoia.”

    When did not you find an Indian leaders statement jingoistic?Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    “Pakistan is a sovereign country and it cannot be coerced into accepting any nonsensical demand.”

    Exactly, the only time you have conceded is when you lost a war and so did India when it lost to China in 1962. No point talking about the same resolutions which you yourself find nonsensical when shown the other side of it.

    For the moment you can dream on.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Read his following statement and see what he thinks of the womenfolk of those who were Pakistanis until 1971.Recommend

  • Queen

    Keep on living in delusion.Recommend

  • Queen

    The entire world is waiting for the Indian side to act sensibly.Recommend

  • Queen

    And yes think bout Manipur before expressing concern about Balochistan.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    I have, you seem to have googled a bit before responding.

    We will not give up on Manipur, since you want India to let go of Kashmir and by your own countries admission, the support is merely based on moral and religious grounds, how about you extending the same to Baloch?

    India will fight its separatists any place it comes across them.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    What made you come to this conclusion and back your statement either with logic or evidence and not conspiracies which are sold as reality.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Which delusion? Be specific.Recommend

  • Queen

    No, I have not googled it before writing my comment, I am aware of the insurgent movements going on in India. If you believe that Pakistan has not made any efforts for Baloch people then you are sadly mistaken. I had said in my response to you in another blog and I will reiterate that the views expressed by handful of insurgents does not reflect the views of the entire Baloch people. India can do whatever it wants in its territory and the same goes for Pakistan as well.Recommend

  • Queen

    Well, if you think that Pakistan can be forced into accepting all demands posed by India then you are living in delusion.Recommend

  • Queen

    If you have an inkling about how jingoism is used in international relations then you will understand the reason behind the statement issued by Indian Defense Minister Mr Parrikar regarding “neutralizing of terrorists through terrorists”. If you believe that everything the Indian leadership says is gospel of truth and the rest of the world is selling conspiracies then one can only take pity on your mindset.Recommend

  • Akbar

    Please be so kind as to enlighten us which generals in the US army have been brought to account for war crimes in Iraq? Members of the Peoples Liberation Army behind suppression of Uigurs in Xinjiang? Nation states (we are one too just fyi) dont act against national interest. And while it may be hard for the human rights expert in you to understand, PakArmy is the sole protector of national interest. Also, fighting armed funded separatists is not a war crime.Recommend

  • Akbar

    “Ham deshat gardi ka jawab deshat gardi se dein ge” …saying this at a time when Pakistan has clearly not committed terrorism against India is quite jingoistic. The whole world agrees. Now get back to work, you have spy pigeons to catch.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Why should not India work on Pakistan’s vulnerabilities when innocent Indian lives are at stake, this is exactly what Pakistan has been doing for decades against India and when faced with possible consequences, you have resorted to nuclear blackmailing.

    The gospel truth for me is Kasab coming from Pakistan, Hafiz Saeed, the 10 million bounty man being given a generous treatment by the state of Pakistan and Osama being caught at a walking distance from your premiere military academy.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    “No, I have not googled it before writing my comment, I am aware of the insurgent movements going on in India.”

    How come you quoted Mizoram then on another comment? The Mizo secessionist movement came to an end the day the name “Mizoram” came into existence.

    “India can do whatever it wants in its territory and the same goes for Pakistan as well.”

    Yes and also remember our geographical boundries are what we claim and believe, it is not what you want us to believe.

    Also, stop saying you support the Kashmiris morally because your morals do not seem to be the same for all.Recommend

  • Swaadhin

    Never said so, it is not us who are fighting for territory, it is you.

    I know you would like to claim that it is not territory but your moral obligation.Recommend

  • Daddy

    Why don’t you send over your general Rakhel to Kashmir and save innocent and purists Kashmiris there, I feel he also wants to have a hand or two with people that butchered his brother Recommend

  • Ariel_the_Sylph

    Except its a foreign Army from Baloch perspective. . The army haven’t been able to do anything except fill up their wallets for half a decade. America bombs FATA & Balochistan territories weekly and all they can do is pretend to look away to save face. When a country is no longer able to protect its territories , it ceases to be that.

    So there goes your argument of “sole protector of national interest”. On the contrary the militias in FATA and Balochistan are legitimate protectors of their people. They have driven back “Pakistan Army” several times. You know why? or how? because they actually represent the people there instead of a pretend army.Recommend

  • Rajesh Mehta

    One day after the creation of Pakistan, on 15 August 1947, the Khan declared the
    independence of Kalat with an offer to Pakistan for special relations in the areas of defence,foreign affairs, and communication. Pakistan rejected the offer and, after a nine-month tug of war, Kalat was forcibly annexed, when the Pakistan army’s garrison commander inBalochistan was ordered to march on Kalat and, if the Khan refused to agree to theaccession, arrest him. Nationalists rejected the Khan’s capitulation, and his brother launched a revolt against Pakistan that continued until his arrest in 1950

    Just before the imposition of first martial law in 1958, the army moved into Kalat and arrested the Khan, his retainers andBaloch political leaders in various parts of Balochistan. The unrest further increased when the army demanded that weapons should be handed in at police stations and the tribesmen refused to comply. The Pakistan army deployed tanks and artillery and resorted to the bombing of villages.

    In 1973, resistance to the central government’s intervention, the Baloch nationalists launched an armed struggle, which soon turned into a bloody war with the Pakistan military. There were around 55,000 Baloch fighters, including 11,500 organised combatants, fighting against the over 80,000-strong military force that was called out to quell the resistance. The conflict lasted for four years claiming the lives of 5,300 Baloch guerrillas and 3,300 army men. At the height of the conflict, when the Pakistan air force was indiscriminately bombing Baloch villages, the United States-supplied Iranian combat helicopters, some of them also manned by Iranian pilots, joined in. Iran also provided US$200 million in emergency and financial aid to PakistanRecommend