The Rohingya of Burma is the Shia of Pakistan

Published: May 19, 2015
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The migrants were stranded at sea after Thai authorities refused to allow them ashore. PHOTO:AFP

This is possibly one of the least highlighted human rights violations that has and continues to take place in the day and age when communication and cyber systems dominate our lives and nothing seems to escape an ordinary person’s attention.

This is probably the most dragging, prolonged episode of persecution and genocide in modern history, the worst of its kind since the holocaust even. I’m talking about the Rohingya catastrophe – a story of blatant hatred, spite and animosity.

Regrettably, I never dug deep enough into the origin of the Rohingyas. I did, however, come across an article called The Muslim Rohingya of Burma dating back to 1995 that gathers about as much of the historical record as exists in written form.

The term Rohingya appears to be an invention of around 1960s, adopted as a means of organising resistance or protest or demands for recognition and acceptance of Muslims of Rakhine province as Burmese citizens.

The author of the above-referenced piece has provided evidence that an indigenously Burmese Muslim population evolved in Arakan (Rakhine Province) between the 10th and 16th centuries. It was not a large population back then, but in modern times, post-Burmese independence, with natural population growth, it has perhaps increased to as much as one or one and a half million people. The competing groups, the Burmese Buddhist nationalists and the Burmese Muslims from Rakhine province developed different narratives, some of which is myth or invention. But there is no doubt that the mainstream Burmese do not like the Muslims and do not regard them, or at least most of them, as real citizens of the Burmese nation.

Factor all of the above into the present and fast-forward to now; finding no love in Burma, the Rohingyas have been compelled to act on their own and explore any number of ways to extricate out of the quagmire.

In 2009, a senior Burmese envoy to Hong Kong branded the Rohingyas “ugly as ogres”.

The Rohingya people have been described as “among the world’s least wanted”.

This is “one of the world’s most persecuted minorities”.

Whereas their past is all messed up, the Rohingya’s present and future seems even bleaker. Looking at what’s going on at the moment, makes one teary. While the Rohingyas have no incentives in terms of money or oil to offer to the countries that they are seeking refuge in, a tacit effort is being made to help. Yet, when one goes through pages after pages of this deadly chaos, an all-out, non-discriminatory vision to pull this nation out of grief is clearly missing in action.

Ironically, Malaysia, a country where a high number of Rohingyas have ended up, refuses to help the refugees. Last week the Malaysian deputy home minister was heard saying,

“We have to send the right message that they are not welcome here.”

Really? I asked myself.

Is the right message not to help those in need and who knock on your door begging for support? This is the same country that recently sent its troops to help the Saudis against the Yemenis. Of course, the reason for rushing to aid the ‘brothers-in-arms’ was because the stakes were high and the Arab Sheikhs promised lots of financial rewards.

While Amnesty International is trying to raise awareness, muster support for those who made it out of the Burmese concentration camps, what really hits one right in the face is the alarming silence of the Burmese pro-democracy activist and Nobel Peace prize winner Aung San Suu Kyi.

Where did her commitment to freedom go? What happened to her allegiance to human rights? Someone told me, unlike Christianity, Buddhism doesn’t believe in rights for non-citizens. If that is the case, Suu Kyi, being a Buddhist, the premise of awarding her the esteemed prize was utterly flawed.

While the rest of the world leaders have kept mum, President Barack Obama spoke in favour of the Rohingyas during his visit to Burma last year. Sadly, beyond the president’s outright call to resolve the Rohingya crisis, US policy-makers have failed to follow up to end this modern form of apartheid.

The Rohingya genocide is an everyday affair. While mass graves have been found in various parts of Asia Pacific, my Jewish friends say that the Burmese military seems to have a Nazi-like racist mind-set. Given the Burmese anti-Islam, anti-Muslim sentiment, it is not entirely surprising that the situation has come to a point where the Burmese regime can no longer handle it. Evidently, sifting through the information available on the subject, the Rohingyas are being targeted just because of their Islamic faith.

What’s being ignored is the bottom line – the mother of all realities – we are all human beings and need not suffer because of how we look or our names or where we come from. What matters in the end is how we behave and treat our fellow beings. The peace and respect part of life is the basic tenet and value of our existence.

The Rohingya issue is global in nature which the powers-that-be will have to tackle sooner rather than later. Perhaps it is time for the UN secretary general to step up to the plate and instead of merely expressing concerns, do some much-needed networking, take action and make the Rohingya affair a part of his legacy. The Rohingya refugees are not a certain country or a particular region’s headache. It’s a bleeding wound, one that should be nursed immediately, without considerations of political divisions or interests. It’s an appeal to the collective human conscience.

As I end this piece, I feel terribly let down after having read what is happening with the Shias in Pakistan. Makes me wonder if they are the Rohingyas of the ‘land of the pure’. Ironically, Shias are Muslims and they are being persecuted in an ‘Islamic republic’. Can it get any worse than that?

Dare I say that the Burmese atrocities on the Rohingyas pales in front of the treatment meted out to the minorities in Pakistan?

Ahson Saeed Hasan

Ahson Saeed Hasan

The writer is a proud American, a peacenik who has traveled well over 80 countries and lived in four continents. He likes to share his experiences and reflect on the worldly surroundings. He tweets @tweetingacho (twitter.com/tweetingacho)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Emad

    I cant think of a more idiotic and outright exaggerated Heading so i believe you deserve some credit for that, other than that i would recommend that you ACTUALLY go to Pakistan and look at the “shia genocide by the state”, the fact to the matter is that a an attack on shia by a terrorist organisation is not genocide and actually no sensible person in Pakistan supported it so i don’t know what news channel you watch but the ignorance here is just too muchRecommend

  • https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=8559594100366660134#allposts Supriya Arcot

    Where are the gods now ?Recommend

  • anon

    ok…..leave the Shias aside……how about Ahmadis…?Recommend

  • Oats

    Childish heading – minorities and all sects of Muslims in Pakistan have suffered due to anti state terrorists. The majority of Pakistanis stand together against cowardly attacks on any section of society and there is no widespread support against any minority group. You forget most victims of terrorism are just Sunnis who also don’t appear “Muslim enough” for extremists who are funded from abroad and who just want to damage society. Making up sensational headings is not fair. The Rohingya are being systematically excluded from society and can’t live among Burmese Bhuddhists.Recommend

  • Tuba

    Shias are not stripped off their nationality in Pakistan, the killings ( which other minorities even some sunni sect face) is not a genocide conducted by government it is terrorist activity !! poor journalism !!Recommend

  • Milind A

    First save your country, get those million citizens (who fought for you) languishing in Bangladesh and then shed crocodile tears for these RohingyasRecommend

  • Raj – USA

    “the fact to the matter is that a an attack on shia by a terrorist organisation is not genocide and actually no sensible person in Pakistan supported it”

    How do you say that? It is not supported by facts. Malik Ishaq admitted (rather boasted) of killing over 150 shias and he was showered rose petals by the lawyers. He is still free and the army that pressured the government to hang many has not done anything to him. There are hundreds of anti Shia, anti Ismaili, anti ahmedi organizations in Pakistan and each of them have millions of followers and their rallies are attended by hundreds of thousands. Diffa E Pakistan (DPC) is an umbrella organization and its founding members are Hafiz Saeed and Hamid Gul. Sheikh Rasheed is a prominent member. Imran Khan proudly shares the podium of DPC and all religious organizations that are part of DPC are anti-shia organizations. Wall chalkings preaching hate for shias is widely prevalent in Karachi and Lahore. Many mosques distribute CD’s preaching hate for shias.

    There may be a good section of muslims in Pakistan like yourself, who are not anti-shia, but those who are anti-shia in Pakistan number much more. It is not just those sunni muslims who are living in Pakistan that hate shias. Haven’t you not read, right here in ET, very hateful comments from Pakistani sunnis who have migrated to USA, Canada, UK and such other countries? You will also see conspicuous silence from those very same when you read news on shia massacre in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Khanna (India)

    “Someone told me, unlike Christianity, Buddhism doesn’t believe in rights for non-citizens.” This is the level of intellect of this writer. Buddhism is the most peaceful religion in the world, it has no provision of jihad or crusades like Abrahamic religions. The problem here is not of Buddhism but of Burmese people. The major reason for anti-Rohingya sentiment in Burmese people is due to the fact that when Pakistan was being created, Leaders of Rohingya Muslims urged Jinnah to accept Rahane province as part of Pakistan. Jinnah due to difference of two cultures-Benagali and Rohingya. and also because Rohingyas had no participation in Pakistan Movement, rejected the advice. This attempt of seccession, however, was taken very seriously by Burmese junta, and consequently the hatred for Rohingyas developed. While persecution of Rohingya is unfortunate but it is result of seccessionist/un-integrated nature of Muslims in general and South Asian muslims in particular.Recommend

  • Gul Zaman Ghorgasht.

    There, you have it. It’s called obfuscation. To deny an existing reality.
    Which YOU and people of your ilk do in Pakland. Having done nothing to protect a religious minority, who are Muslim to boot. Same tired, old, pathetic cliches crop up like mushrooms. These Shias are not even allowed
    an identity. “How dare you identify them as Ismailis. Just call them Paks” Is
    the prevailing Sunni sentiment. A long look in the mirror is needed here.
    There is a Shia genocide in progress. Condoned by the govt. Barely a year
    ago a Shia neighborhood was blown up in Karachi, 213 dead. 473 injured.
    In Jan. 2013 there were 84 Shia Hazaras slaughtered, shortly thereafter,
    another 193 butchered in Quetta. The Shia Hazaras are under siege there.
    Regularly killed with impunity. Does not even merit media attention anymore.
    Then, Shikarpur, Peshawar, Rawalpindi, Bahawalpur, Gujranwala, Bannu,
    Mardan, Chilas, Parachinar, Lahore, just a few cities where Shias were killed
    in the last 2 years only ! …And you say there is no Shia genocide?Recommend

  • ab1990

    when humans like mullahs speak as if they are god I think gods lost interest in humansRecommend

  • Ghulam Lone

    What’s happening to shia in Pakistan is terrible, but to compare their plight to Rohingya is an injustice to the rohingya, who are denied even the right to reproduce or move around without government permission. No human rights. In Pakistan, the government is not actively repressing shia. In fact, the Bhuttos and zardaris who ruled this country were shia – you’d never see a Rohingya in power in burma because they are regarded as illegal immigrants (who on earth would choose to migrate to a country like burma anyway?). Violence against Shias is by terrorist groups, not the government. Your exaggerations don’t help the cause of Shia in Pakistan, and are actually counter productive. Hysterical pieces don’t garner sympathy.Recommend

  • The Truth

    Nonsense. The worst genocide ever, is extermination of Hindus and Sikhs from 22% of W Pakistan in 1947 to 1% today. Nothing, including persecution of jews can match it.Recommend

  • amartya

    feeling sad for shias of pakistan. how long they will live in denial mode. they should settle elsewhere or wait for another Jinnah from their own community.Recommend

  • Critical

    Ironically,some of the countries which rejected the Rohingya Refugees were Muslim countries and the only country which has currently accepted them is a christian country,Philippines……

    Looks like the concept of “Ummah” doesnt apply to Muslims like Rohingya,Uiyghur and only to the Palestinian ArabsRecommend

  • Dr. Syed Shajee Husain

    Dear Emad, I don’t see any wrong perception in stating “shia genocide by the state” you can find hundreds of reports, incidents where it was and it is government supported groups who are involved in Shia killing….I myself being a victim can imagine how it feels when you become an stranger in your “mother land”…I think it a wake up call for your conscious do a bit of research and see how this She genocide has been conducted systematically and by government supported groups…so much so the extent of mind set mess up is so high that each and every Shia is spotted and my suffer in any way!!!Recommend

  • Hasan

    Shia of Pakistan? My friend Shias live a high life in Pakistan. Try Ahmadis of Pakistan (Even the Shia are against them)Recommend

  • Mohammad

    You are seriously.. I mean seriously out of your mind and much of worse ET allowing such a heading.Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    Since many of our Pakistani friends have a problem with the heading ; I suggest it should have been “The Rohingyas of Burma is the Hindu/Christian of Pakistan” ….But looking at how scant regard the media & Intellectuals give to coverage of these non-Muslims , even that would be OUTRAGEOUS to majority , afterall these non-Muslims acc. to them are enjoying Equal Constitutional Rights…..Scores of Pak Hindus migrate to India , but we never see this fervor from Pak “Liberals” (except say Hoodbhoy ) for them.Recommend

  • https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=8559594100366660134#allposts Supriya Arcot

    Err Gentle correction … its not ” The gods lost interest in humans ” . Its ” Gods have thrown their hands up on the human race ( in general ) due to sheer frustration “.Recommend

  • Raghu Reddy

    Shias or Ahmadis ,they are more anti India than sunnis becuase in sunni majority they always try to prove their islamiyat. Thats why we have Jinnah,bhutto,liquat ali etc..Recommend

  • Raghu Reddy

    True kind of .Recommend

  • Raghu Reddy

    Cant believe that even Rohingyas wanted Pakistan.This inability of muslims to live as minority,obsession with Islam is the cause of all problems.Recommend

  • Raghu Reddy

    I pity with Rohingyas.But they werent the first. Almost all indians were thrown away after independence because they were seen benefactors from British. Saddest fact is that they werent given time,property transfer was not allowed. Indian govt did nothing.Rest had to integrate into burmese society by being half hindu half buddhist.Recommend

  • Gul Zaman Ghorgasht

    Dead wrong. Bhutto was a Sunni. His wife Nusrat was a Persian Shia.
    Zardari is a Sunni. You did not hear a peep out of him about the Ismaili
    Massacre in Karachi. Where Zardari lives. Total silence. Violence against
    Shias is condoned by the Govt. It looks the other way. Dutifully. The Govt. proxies do the dirty work, with impunity. Knowing fully well that nothing will
    be done. Just the regular words of “condemnation”Recommend

  • Rafeeq

    have you heard of the near estermination of the native Indians of the newly conolonized americas from Canada in the north to the Argentina in the south? Do you even know of the native indians or the red indians as christopher columbus called them?
    Also the myth of 22% to 1% is what it is, a myth. Been debunked many many times over!Recommend

  • Rafeeq

    What do you have to say about the politicians in India who boast of what happened in Gujurat 2002? What do you have to say about the recent regime who has freed the likes the Babu bajrangi and Maya Kodnani? What do you have to say about the recent acquittal of almost all guilty policemen who fired at point blank range and killed many an innocent muslim youth in Meerut? What do you have to say about the poisonous ideology that RSS and the likes perpetrate and they are ministers in the government (those sadhvis and the likes who spit their bile openly yet are not even as reprimanded by the PM). The list is long. I could go on and on.

    here have a look:

    How violence is not only condoned but commodified
    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/letters/commodifying-violence/article7220899.ece

    Soft Hindutva making inroads
    http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/electoral-wins-or-religious-peace/article7220396.ece

    You’ve got a house of glass too!! look before picking up a stone. We are not better but then you are no saints either. I can understand Norway “lecturing” us but common. There are many skeletons in your closet too!!Recommend

  • Sane

    Dear Writer: you tarnished the whole case of Burmese Muslims by matching their case with Shias of Pakistan. Is the state Pakistan doing same with Shias? Shouldn’t you be ashamed making a parallel of Rohingyans of Burma and Muslims of Pakistan. Shias here have citizenship and enjoy just equal rights like other Pakistanis. They are in givenrm,net job as well as in provate sector. They pray in Masjid (Imambargah) with freely. They are not suppressed by the government and people of Pakistan. If you refer to terrorist activities against them. Then you need to have statistics as how many non shias killed and wounded in such activities comparing with Shias. Terrorist activities in Pakistan waged by neighboring countries are indiscriminate. These activities are against Pakistanis, irrespective to religion and belief. Correct yourself and do not propagate hatred among people of Pakistan.Recommend

  • Sane

    Shias in Pakistan are in peace and harmony with rest of the nation. They need not to leave this country. You take care of the state of minorities in India including mass killings of Muslims, Sikhs and Christians. Don’t you have lot of work to do. How you get time to be on Pakistani news site?Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    Interesting !! Your Shia ppl die , you cry ; If Christians are killed , it is “Muslims are also unsafe” ; if “Hindus are forced to flee” , these ppl are anti-nationals etc. such denials.Recommend

  • Sane

    For Ahmedis also there is no genocide ever in Pakistan. They enjoy Pakistani nationality.Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    What I find quite intriguing is the fact that you people do not ponder over your statements : 1) Atrocities commiteed by the West or Church if is today , well known to me & you & we regurgitate it when necessary , it is precisely bcz they were documented by Liberals from Western Christian society who never hesitated to attack Christianity too .
    2) When you Pakistanis talk about maladies of Hinduism & its caste , SACHAR report or about Hindu atrocities against Muslims ; it is again precisely bcz they were documented by Atheists & others from within the Hindu society who never hesitated to criticise Hinduism itself.

    3) On the other Muslim Liberals write mostly in defence of Islam , doing apologia for even status-quoist Muslims . The greatest example are Jinnah’s apologists.Recommend

  • Sane

    Genocide and migration are two different things. Hindus and Sikhs though India their homeland and they migrated thinning the percentage of their population in Pakistan. Purposely you do not mention the genocide of Muslims starting from 1936 to 1947 and which still goes no in India. Killing of Muslims has also been added new flavor of killing Sikhs and Christians. This also include mass killing of Sikhs in whole India after assassination of Indra Gandhi. I understand that you like other Indians can’t do anything when your state itself is involved in killing of minorities.Recommend

  • Sane

    Also include your PM and other BJP, RSS leaders who talk about Hinduvta and making India only for Hindus. They advise Muslims either to become Hindu or migrate to Pakistan. Would you like to deny? or would twist by here and there arguments.Recommend

  • Idon’tlistentoidiots

    Malaysia is Muslim-majority. I would have expected them to be more accepting of Rohingyas. Thailand is already polarised internally with the Buddhist population (about 94%) somewhat polarised against Muslims due to the internal attacks and the tensions near the southern border. Why isn’t Malaysia accepting them? Even more, the rich gulf states could easily absorb the Rohingyas economically. There are only 1.5 million of them. Between Saudi and the others, they could very easily absorb them. So could Pakistan. 1.5 million would be a drop in the bucket for close to 200 million people. Between Morocco, Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey, Saudi, all the others, this would be less than one lakh people per country. Why isn’t the OIC moving to help them resettle in these Muslim countries? I strongly suspect it is because many of these Muslim countries are actually pretty racist. Rohingyas are the wrong colour. Pakistan is actually not a Muslim country. Pakistan is very specifically a country for ethnic Northwestern Indians ONLY – Punjabis, Sindhis, Rohilkhandis (Western UPites), Haryanvis, Kashmiris, Dehlvis, Pathans, Rajasthanis welcome – all else stay the hell away. Any Hindu from these areas can change to Islam and walk into Pakistan and be an equal citizen easily. No Muslims from any other part of India (except Hyderabad maybe, who are mostly immigrants from North India anyway) are accepted.

    This is quite something. Hundreds of Sunni Muslims in the open seas will be allowed to starve and die. Openly. Pakistan does not care. Saudi does not care. Turkey does not care. Malaysia does not care. Indonesia does not care. It’s obviously way less important than shia-sunni issues. You know who will help eventually? America. Australia. Just watch. Let’s remember this the next time someone is slinging mud at those countries.Recommend

  • ajeet

    Rohingyas don’t look Burmese.Recommend

  • ajeet

    Internet is not a Pakistani or Arab invention to be used only by you. If its a Pakistani site, why am I able to access it in India?Recommend

  • ajeet

    But no muslim is jumping from India to Pakistan or seeking refuge in SriLank.aRecommend

  • ajeet

    But Muslims don’t seem to be migrating from India to Pakistan as they know that it will be like jumping from the frying pan into fire.Recommend

  • Sane

    Really I am amazed how you access Pakistani website while in India. May be because you are genius and tech savvy.Recommend

  • amartya

    daily bombings of shias… tell me moreRecommend

  • Ch. Allah Daad

    True, they are Shias of Pakistan and Sunnis of Iran, Iraq and Syria.Recommend

  • rafeeq

    So who exactly is the writer here? A hindu perhaps? or a christian? Or who exactly are the motley crew of writers here on tribune or on dawn or any number of newspapers criticising what they see as unjust? Even at the expense of their own safety? And yes they do not do it for the frothing at the mouth right wingers in India, nope they do it because it is right? No wonder it is an ammution for hypocrites to make tall claims.

    No wonder faraz had to clear that up:
    http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/19319/dear-indian-patriots-my-criticism-of-pakistan-isnt-for-your-benefit/

    Perhaps you fall in that category or nope??Recommend

  • Shabir Afzal Khan

    Such a cheap way to sell your journalism. I feel no difference between you and mullahs who deliver hate speech. Since you are based in US so you are not aware of the harmony between Sunnis and Shias in Pakistan. The unfortunate funded terrorist activities does not represent Pakistani state or people of Pakistan.Recommend

  • Gul Zaman Ghorgasht

    You are overwrought, with confused, nonsense,
    serial comments .Recommend

  • Milind A

    “What do you have to say about the recent regime who has freed the likes
    the Babu bajrangi and Maya Kodnani? What do you have to say about the
    recent acquittal of almost all guilty policemen who fired at point blank
    range and killed many an innocent muslim youth in Meerut?”

    What do you say about the terrorists who happen to be your co-religionists, who set a train of Hindus on fire in the first place? How do the terrorists in Meerut suddenly become innocent muslim youth, when you’re also bombing your innocent Muslims in FATA or killing them in KarachiRecommend

  • Rana Eddy

    The question is not whether they talk or not ; but how much they talk . For eg. You misstated that West Pakistani Hindus were always less than 2% ..Where are your sources ??
    For eg. there is a continuous exodus of Pak Hindus . When was the last time such an incisive blog was written. Do you know that Karachi was once non-Muslim-dominated ..If Mridu Rai can write about Kashmir , then why cannot your so-called Secular community have the courage to write about that . While your “so-called Seculars” rightfully call BJP a Hindu-Rightist party , why don’t they call PML-N ,PTI etc. as Muslim parties , bcz that is how they identify themselves (— as Champions of Muslims) ? What should one make of the Pakistani Secular then.
    Further Faraz did not clear anything …he only made himself & your Pakistani “Intellectauls” only feel complacent of their inability to write beyond Muslim identity . BTW , is it that anyone criticising you is a Right-winger & what are you – Leftist?? Also , do not forget the reverse , a Pakistani patriot-Indian/Western Leftists, is more true than the former. For eg. Afterall , none of your Pak Liberals are willing to talk about Kashmiri Pandits in the same breath as they talk about Kashmiri Muslims , rather they obfuscate their issues : & yet they have their own romance with Arundhati Roy , Romila Thapar & all Indian Leftists who completely empathize with Muslim society & are also critical of India, Hindus & Hinduism.Recommend

  • Sarfaraz Abbasi

    How can you compare Shiites of Pakistan to Rohingya? Rohingya people are stateless, and without citizenship. In Pakistan, Pakistani-Shiites are bombed and murdered by banned outfits not ordinary Pakistanis – Pakistani-Shiites can become President, Prime Minister and Governor or Chief Minister of the province.Recommend

  • Sarfaraz Abbasi

    Daily???Recommend

  • Sarfaraz Abbasi

    So, you do believe that few spoiled eggs in any religion do not represent all, and here you are ranting about other religions (Islam and Christianity). Don’t go on believing everything that ‘someone’ tells you. You have no concern for Islam or Muslims, so your opinion is worthless on this matter.Recommend

  • Sarfaraz Abbasi

    A typical Hindu-nationalistRecommend

  • Sarfaraz Abbasi

    You forgot Swamis of RSS!Recommend

  • Sarfaraz Abbasi

    You did not shed light on Hindus who are Anti-Pakistani. Should I assume that all Hindus are Anti-Pakistan?Recommend

  • Sarfaraz Abbasi

    Zardari is not a Sunni. His silence does not mean that he is a ‘Sunni’.Recommend

  • Sarfaraz Abbasi

    Kashmiri Muslims do!!

    More hot frying pan than Gujarat massacre of Muslims, and Ayodhya killings by Hindu-mob!.Recommend

  • Sarfaraz Abbasi

    So? Kashmiris don’t look Indians!Recommend

  • Sarfaraz Abbasi

    Your comments are upvoted by Anti-Pakistan-Anti-Islam Indian nationalists

    Can you enlighten us about Sunnis in Iran as compared to Shiite in Pakistan?Recommend

  • Sarfaraz Abbasi

    Raj – are you reading from a paper or what? You are telling things as if teaching little children a lesson!Recommend

  • Sarfaraz Abbasi

    Raghu Reddy, what brings you on Paksitan news site (apart from Anti-Pakistan and Anti-Islam feelings)?Recommend

  • Sarfaraz Abbasi

    That’s because they are suppressed and forced into silence. By the way Kashmiri Muslims do want to!Recommend

  • Sarfaraz Abbasi

    What do you say about Samjhota Express train bombed in 2007 by RSS Swami Aseemanand?

    That train-fire was caused by technical accident. Report submitted by your own department and your own religion’s investigating team.

    (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4770718.stm)

    You explain to us; why has India deployed 600,000 Indian troops inside tiny Kashmir-valley?Recommend

  • Sarfaraz Abbasi

    Hahaha

    Philippines is murdering Muslims in Mindanao for decades. Malaysia and Indonesia has provided temporary asylum to Rohingya-people – while another Buddhist-majority Thailand backed out.Recommend

  • Sarfaraz Abbasi

    This writer can’t even see a difference between Rohingya-people and others – what should he actually know about the US foreign-policy and South-Asian affairs???Recommend

  • Faruk Enamul Haque

    Rohingyas are persecuted on racial grounds. Remember, Indians of all stripes were evicted from Burma by General Ne Win in 1962 for being “racial outsiders”, though many had been born there.

    The Rohingya are long-time residents of the Arakan. Their history and ethnicity is intimately related to that area. It is simply unacceptable that they are being pushed out of their homeland on racist policies, due to a quirk of history [the borders being incorrectly drawn].Recommend

  • Faruk Enamul Haque

    Agreed. VERY bad parallel drawn — total disservice to the Rohingya.Recommend

  • Faruk Enamul Haque

    North-east Indians don’t look Indian.Recommend

  • Faruk Enamul Haque

    The difference is, the Indians who came to British Burma were bought over by the British. Whereas the Rohingya had been there for centuries, developed their own customs, culture and language and unity with the land.

    It’s simply a quirk of history that they got left on the “wrong side”.Recommend

  • Faruk Enamul Haque

    Even that would be too much. Pakistani Hindus and Christians have been persecuted, yes. But nothing like on the scale of the Rohingya in Burma. There are still Hindus and Christians in Pakistan represented in the media, there is at least some sort of outcry about it, the people can still move freely about the country. None of these are true for the Rohingya. It is an isolated case. You have to compare it to places like East Timor.Recommend

  • Mahmoud S. Aziz

    The article does justice in highlighting the extreme and unfortunate plight of the Muslim Rohingyas and exposing the hypocrisy of the Buddhist leaders in Myanmar, Aung San Suu Kyi and Muslim countries.

    Shame on the Muslim countries in S.E. Asia for not showing due care, compassion and mercy for our Rohingya Muslim brothers and sisters! What is the use of practicing Islam and praying five times a day when you cannot take care of your fellow Muslims?? Compassion and mercy for our fellow beings – let alone fellow Muslims – is a basic duty of all Muslims, as stipulated in the Holy Qur’an and Hadith. The leaders of the Muslim S.E. Asian nations have demonstrated that they are munafiqeen and need to re-learn their Islam!

    By her deafening silence, Aung San Suu Kyi has also demonstrated her complete hypocrisy as a pro democracy activist and a defender of human rights and should be duly stripped of her Nobel prize. Further, while Buddhism is indeed a peaceful philosophy, the monks and so called Buddhist leaders in Myanmar, who have been inciting this hatred and vitriol against the Rohingya, have exposed their ignorance of the basic tenets and Five Precepts of Buddhism – that of the nobility of every human soul, the stipulation against killing any soul, and the need to remove hatred from their minds. What is the use of being vegetarians and trying to protect animals when you kill your fellow human beings??

    It is time to expose these Myanmar Buddhist monks and leaders for what they truly are…hpocrites and terrorists!Recommend

  • Anon

    Wow! “Dare I say that the Burmese atrocities on the Rohingyas pales in front of the treatment meted out to the minorities in Pakistan?”. That is a great exaggeration. Which minority faces state persecution in Pakistan?Recommend

  • abhi

    You are trying to give it a religious colour which is not correct. Even the other muslims groups in Burma do not consider Rohingyas as Burmese.Recommend

  • abhi

    yeah I know they are enjoying. By the definition of “Enjoyment” from your comment, I think eve Rohingyas are enjoying.Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    Why do you need my identity ?? Moreover , why do you think that I cannot be a Muslim?

    Nevertheless , you have not rejected my charge , because you cannot since it is NOT THAT “When Pakistani non-Muslims are massacred, YOUR LIBERALS say NOTHING at all” . They do condemn it , but each time it is followed by apologia that “muslims are unsafe too” , “it is all bcz of Taliban” etc. For eg. you said something about Pak Hindu population . Do you have valuable sources ?? Have your Pak Liberals ever documented the “post-1947 fall in Hindu population” , the way Indian ones have done for Kashmiri & Hyderabadi Muslims ?

    While your “so-called Seculars” rightfully call BJP a Hindu-Rightist party , why don’t they call PML-N ,PTI etc. as Muslim parties , bcz that is how these parties identify themselves (— as Champions of Muslims) ? What should one make of the Pakistani Secular then.
    Further Faraz did not clear anything …he only made himself & your Pakistani “Intellectauls” only feel complacent .BTW , is it that anyone criticising you is a Right-winger & what are you – Leftist?? Also , do not forget the reverse , a Pakistani patriot-Indian/Western Leftists, is more true than what Faraz talks about. For eg. None of your Pak Liberals are willing to talk about Kashmiri Pandits in the same breath as they talk about Kashmiri Muslims , rather they obfuscate their issues : http://tribune.com.pk/story/888364/the-resettlement-of-kashmiri-pandits-the-larger-picture/ ,& yet they have their own romance with Arundhati Roy , Romila Thapar & all Indian Leftists who completely empathize with Muslim society & are also critical of India, Hindus & Hinduism.Recommend

  • Roon

    “The greatest example are Jinnah’s apologists.”
    What does Jinnah have to do with those who oppress and kill minorities? You are conflating two different things just like people may conflate all communists like you with Stalin’s barbarity… Just because we do not follow your nationalistic/ Congress apologia, claptrap, it does not give you the right to smear all Pakistani liberals.

    Afterall, didn’t you yourself admit that Pakistani liberals do infact criticize the Mullahs?

    “Hindu atrocities against Muslims”
    Are vice versa are also not documented aplenty…? They are documented by historians not necessarily atheists. Critisism of the Burkha (although outright banning of it is an undemocratic and authoritarian move, do understand that this does not constitute apologia), polygamy, conflating sin with crime (for example alcohol consumption), documentation of Mughals/ early Muslims rule, etc all come from Muslim society.

    “SACHAR report”
    For your Sachar report we have the Munir report. It is an official government report, not one assembled by the media.

    “who never hesitated to criticise Hinduism itself.”
    Gandhi or even your beloved communists rarely criticized Hinduism itself, they only wanted its reform, so how is this any different from Pakistan’s/Muslim league’s/Aligarh movement’s advocates who you criticize?Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    Yes , partially agreed.Recommend

  • Rafeeq

    Looking at the comments received on “the Hindu” (which in my opinion is THE only sane voice in the overly jingoistic media in India) which does bring out the atrocities commited against the minorities and right wing majoritarianism which is gaining immense ground, one feels it is only a very tiny minority which speaks out whose voice are increasingly getting hounded out by the overly loud and rude right wingers. I need not give you links. Go to the “The hindu” and any article which shows them the mirror receives hundreds of angry comments (which thankfully the hindu censors the derogatory ones unlike the TOI and others). This shows how much the “liberals” in India matter and what their true “worth” is in the eyes of the general populace. Enuf saidRecommend

  • Rafeeq

    Countries with the largest refugee populations (check the top ten). And tell me how many of them are muslim countries. Despite most of them being middle to low middle countries:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_refugee_populationRecommend

  • Gul Zaman Ghorgasht

    There, arrived on the scene ! A prime example of a true blue obfuscationist. YOU. What is evident is your dire inability to face the truth. However, a mind like yours
    awashed and brainwashed in mulla laced Khawariji/Takfiri
    narrative will not be able to comprehend a civil discourse. Or
    defend/stand up for one. And what has this blog got to do with
    Iran? By the way mentioning the UP VOTE shows your mindsetRecommend

  • Rana Eddy

    Munir Report : was not made to take into account poverty & employment discrimination , backwardness among non-Muslim minorities. How is it related to SACHAR report?

    Your “Seculars” are so obsessed with Hindu Nationalism in India (Rightly so) but deny that all – PMLN , PPP ,PTI are also Muslim Nationalist .Why do they deny this too : http://www.unsecularjinnah.com/index.html

    ##even your beloved communists rarely criticized Hinduism itself##

    Ever heard of MN Roy , Gopalaraju Gora , EMS Namnoodripad ,Dr. Ambedkar , Periyar , Nehru himself , Arundhati Roy , Romila Thapar , D N Jha , D D Kosambi etc. etc. (GOOGLE about them )BTW even I am an Agnostic critic of Hinduism , though a constructive one .They were atheists & dead against Religion , esp. Hinduism ,on lines of how the West attacked Christianity. They won’t defend Savarkar like yours turn blind eye to Jinnah , they also made sure that Muslim history of India was given its due recognition at par with its Hindu-Buddhist history (Your ppl only talk about achieving it ,Thus I as an Indian know Akbar etc. , you dont know Jaipal JAnjua) . They would not make arguments like “Hinduism is REligion of Peace” , “hindus are also suffering etc.” such apologist arguments like yours make. On CRITICISM of Hinduism , please refer the following , apart from googling about the above : http://nirmukta.com/ , http://kafila.org/ ,

    Thus I have rebuffed your rants with examples , to bolster my opinion .Moreover , the long List of QUESTIONS I posed is STILL UNANSWERED. Now Dismiss.Recommend

  • Nishant Sharma

    This is nothing to do with Islam but is racism against South Asians which is present in much of East AsiaRecommend

  • Guest

    General public does not hate other sects. Some of the best neighbors I had were Shia.

    State and country’s law has always been against any form of discrimination towards minorities. Obviously in a country of 6th largest world population and plagued with poverty, not every criminal gets punished which is a problem and people like you capitalize on that. But most violence is created by terrorists(which Govt is actively targeting), who purposely attack Shia and Sunni alike congregations to achieve their agendas.

    Seriously, do us all a favour and stop writing this junk. I don’t know how this was even allowed to be publishedRecommend

  • Gratgy

    Nope, we are living in the 21st century while you are racing away to the 15th. Recommend

  • Gratgy

    Muslims in minority are always paranoid that the majority will treat them the same way Muslims treat their minoritiesRecommend

  • Rana Eddy

    That tiny minority remains significantly larger than yours . Pak Hindus are migrating to my country for the past two decades …How many times was that covered by your media with the same zeal as about the Rohingayas , Palestines or even Kashmir ?
    Every political Party in Pakistan identifies itself as Muslim Nationalist — is that revealed by your “Seculars” or even opposed by them?? Karachi was a non-Muslim majority city around 1947 (74%) …how did that happen is that covered by anyone . Pakistan’s own Constitution descriminates against minorities rather they prefer to “blame the Taliban”, & your “Seculars” are more worried about India.
    If a state in India , bans beef , Indian media & Secularists create clamour to attract widespread criticism ; if your ppl migrate to India , your “Secualars” say “thats all bcz of Taliban as if Taliban had passed OJ ” .Recommend

  • Gratgy

    The accused of the Samjhota express blast were investigated by the Indian government and are in prison.

    “That train-fire was caused by technical accident. Report submitted by your own department and your own religion’s investigating team.”

    Lies! There is no legal report which says the train fire was caused by any department. Your link doesn’t work either. The Godra incident has been investigated and the terrorists who burnt innocent women and children have been proven and punished by court.

    The forensic study mentions

    “A study conducted by the Gujarat Forensic Science Laboratory report states that 60 liters of inflammable liquid had been poured into coach S-6 of the train using a wide mouthed container. It had been poured by standing on the passage between the northern side-door of the eastern side of the coach, which had been set on fire immediately thereafter. The report also concluded that there had been heavy stone pelting on the train”

    Laloo Prasad yadav tried creating a report during the elections to appease muslim voters in his state and was declared illegal by the court itself.

    India has deployed troops in Kashmir to keep the terrorists who come in from your side at bay. Also to ensure a second genocide like the one that happened with Kashmiri pandits is not repeated.Recommend

  • Sj

    u mean ISIS of Iraq and Syria :| ! or wait come up with a conspiracy theory now.Recommend

  • Roon

    “Munir Report : was not made to take into account poverty & employment discrimination”

    My point was to show that the civil service is active in finding problems within society. If you want to be specific can you show me any report of the documentation of the disappearance of Muslims from East-Punjab?

    Your own Hyderabad commission was made shortly after independence but only released very recently because of fears of communal violence.

    “They won’t defend Savarkar like yours”
    But they won’t criticize the Congress or Ghandhi/Nehru thus being nationalistic? Hypocrisy no.

    As far as Jinnah is concerned, I have had a lengthy debate with both you and Anoop (another Hindu rightist). Why call those with an opinion opposite to yours like Ayesha Jalal, etc as obscurantist historians when they run contrary to yours?

    The only reason I can think of is Indian nationalism and prejudice.

    Also, I have repeatedly shown how he was a counterpart to the Congress (as admitted by them and the British) who you refuse to criticize and continue to do apologia for.

    As you know Pakistani liberals are very critical of the Mullahs who are Savarkar’s real counterparts (and who supported and were supported by the Congress btw).

    The list of leftists you have provided which includes Nehru! How are they any different from Syed Ahmed Khan ,Jinnah, Muhammad Iqbal, etc who were critical of conservative Islam and wanted its reform?

    “Thus I as an Indian know Akbar etc. , you dont know Jaipal JAnjua”
    Comparing a great Emperor of Hindustan with a regional warrior? What does this show?

    It would be like Pakistanis saying you don’t know of Syed Ahmed Barelvi but we do of course know about the Guptas and Ashoka. Is this proof that Indian liberals are blind to their history? I think you are jumping to conclusions.

    http://nirmukta.com/ , http://kafila.org/ ,”
    What do these liberal blogs prove? Here is one from me from the Muslim perspective:
    http://www.irtiqa-blog.com/

    They are not part of the Indian state apparatus which governs India are they? What are you trying to prove here?

    btw the author himself is based in Washington and is an atheist/agnostic or at the very least not religious (“I respect all religions of the world, I personally do not follow any” from http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/25676/is-freedom-of-expression-alien-to-islam/ ). So your accusation of him being obsessed with other Muslims is yet again just further evidence of your own obsession.

    “Hinduism is REligion of Peace” , “hindus are also suffering etc.””
    Height of strawmanning! Never have I said this (about Islam) and if some others have then know that Pakistani liberals are quite diverse. My own view is that is is just another religion neither superior or inferior to either Eastern religions or its Semetic counter parts. Generally I have a positive view of the role of religion within society. Usually these comments are made by defensive conservatives. When liberals do sometimes say things like this they do so to call attention to the barbaric terrorists and differentiate between genuine bigotry in Pakistan and targeted attacks by the Taliban or defend their own religion from real bigots like your up voters (see my comment below) Not surprising that you are unable to offer any reasonable criticism of liberals and have to resort to straw-manning.

    “Now Dismiss.”
    “Ending this conversation”
    “Bye and stop”

    Do these excuses to flee look like the words of a person winning a debate? You have rebuffed nothing and ignored most of my post where I compared Pakistani liberals with Indian ones! I could go on about how Kashmir is a problematic nationalistic example, and have previously presented evidence to counter your obsessive compulsion with Pakistani media and how views which converge with Hindu rightists (see my comment below) etc,etc. But it’s all pointless when you ignore it just like you do many of my previous comments…

    You continue to do apologia for Indian, Hindu/ Buddhist rationalists and liberals but criticize Pakistani, Muslim rationalists and liberals. Height of Hypocrisy and nationalism!

    (ET final version)Recommend

  • Roon

    “YOUR LIBERALS say NOTHING at all” (Capslock!!!)
    “They do condemn it”

    ?????? What?

    As far as apologia ,it is only natural for them to differentiate the terrorists responsible for bomb blasts from the average Pakistani just like Indian liberals did after Babri Masjid or Gujrat massacre or are you blind to this alleged hypocrisy?

    “Also , do not forget the reverse”
    Don’t forget that in this case you are the one on a Pakistani site, criticizing Pakistani’s who are being critical of their own country, of not being critical enough. When and if you find such hypocrites on an Indian site you have our full permission to criticize them.

    “is it that anyone criticising you is a Right-winger”
    “Moreover , why do you think that I cannot be a Muslim?”

    You may not be right wing but the biased nonsense you spout certainly is supported by them making you one of them.

    Case in point: upvoters of your previous comments are “The truth” and “Gangadas”:

    “The truth”: Islam is more vicious than any other ideology ever invented by man. It teaches its followers to murder non muslims.

    “Gangadas”: Muslims are incapable of thinking and speaking truthfully!!

    Based on this, do you really think we misjudge you?

    (ET final version)Recommend

  • Aborigine

    Yeah, fer sure. If you say so. But if we are going to start counting atrocities against innocent people in India by frenzied mobs of barbarians, then shouldn’t we compare them with: 50,000+ innocent (among them Shias, Ismailis, Hazaras, Baloch, Hindus, and Christians) killed in Pakistan since 9/11 in by jihadi barbarians; as many as three million killed by West Pakistani army (arm of the State) in 1971 in East Pakistan in one of the world’s worst genocides in modern history. Would that comparison be OK with you, Mr. Sane?Recommend

  • Meshuga

    You are right, Sir. My friend’s father’s family was born in Burma and had to leave for India. I am left wondering if this is a unique incident or are there other places in the world where such events happened?Recommend

  • ab1990

    rss is the reason why hindus are safe in indiaRecommend

  • Meshuga

    You are absolutely right. Ignoring the long history of troubled 1200-year occupations by foreigners, you have to go back to the “original sin”: The discordant injection – in the middle of a campaign for Independence from the British no less – of sectarian politics by Muslims and Jinnah/Iqbal in demand for a special treatment for one religious minority, Indian Muslims; including later a demand of their own homeland (whether as a loose federation or separate nation). The non-Muslims of India (especially Hindus and Buddhists) have been a majority (100% <=75 per cent) in their own homeland for 5,000 years. (When Pakistani commenters on these forums call India "Islamic land", that stings and gets ones back up!) If you can empathize with how Palestinians feel, surely you can empathize with how the majority of non-Muslim Indians feel: All the crazy things and ideas and violent acts committed by a small proportion of that majority, obviously pandered to and instigated by certain dishonest right-wingers. Very much like what such "leaders" do in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    ##If you want to be specific can you show me any report of the documentation of the disappearance of Muslims from East-Punjab?##

    1) https://books.google.co.in/books?id=3fl4BAAAQBAJ&pg=PT49&dq=muslims+east+punjab&hl=en&sa=X&ei=espeVa2HDMaiugS-pIL4Cw&ved=0CEgQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=muslims%20east%20punjab&f=false

    2) https://books.google.co.in/books?id=e9kY8AAi4SwC&pg=PA98&dq=muslims+east+punjab&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JcteVYLsIdKfugSv1IKwAw&ved=0CBsQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=muslims%20east%20punjab&f=false

    3) http://www.newslaundry.com/2015/01/09/the-vanishing-hindus-of-pakistan-a-demographic-study-2/ Even this recent Indian piece written with the aim to talk about Pak Hindus , also discusses East Punjabi Muslim issue .

    On Kashmir : read Mridu Rai’s “HINDU RULERS , MUSLIM SUBJECTS” .

    ##But they won’t criticize the Congress or Ghandhi/Nehru thus being nationalistic? Hypocrisy no.##

    BTW they are criticised by both the Secular Left & the Hindu Right –the BJP hates the duo . Moreover , unlike Jinnah who was a Muslim Nationalist , they were not Hindu Nationalists just like Bacha Khan or Maulana Azad who too were not Muslim Nationalists.Recommend

  • Observer

    Good informative article. Been looking for some background of these migrants issue and found it in your article. Pathetic how the world is insensitive to their situation.Recommend

  • Roon

    Fair enough. Here’s government study from Pakistan which lists Hindu’s in Karachi in 1941 at 51% rather than 70%+.
    http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dpu-projects/Global_Report/pdfs/Karachi.pdf

    They were displaced during partition and their numbers fell to around 2%. Everyone knows this tragedy BUT, there was no “worst genocide ever, extermination of Hindus and Sikhs from 22% of W Pakistan in 1947 to 1% today.” or was there one in East-Punjab too?

    “BTW they are criticised by both the Secular Left & the Hindu Right”
    Only as much as Jinnah and ML are criticized by both the Left & the Muslim right (Your own unsecular Jinnah link shows this). So where is the difference which you purport?

    As far as Hindu/Muslim nationalism is concerned the Congress was a Hindu-majority party (especially after 1945) as far as facts no the ground were concerned.

    INFACT B. R. Ambedkar HIMSELF WROTE:

    “It is no use saying that the Congress is not a Hindu body. A body which is Hindu in its composition is bound to reflect the Hindu mind and support Hindu aspirations. The only difference between the Congress and the Hindu Maha Sabha is that the latter is crude in its utterances and brutal in its actions while the Congress is politic and polite. Apart from this difference of fact, there is no other difference between the Congress and the Hindu Maha Sabha”
    130 B.R. Ambedkar 1946a, p.30Recommend

  • indi

    hey.. u said it !! I also watch Pakistan news channel from here in India.Recommend

  • indi

    But is not it true ?Recommend

  • indi

    why on earth any sane educated modern thinking who wants to move with time ever be eager to join Pakistan.Recommend

  • Professor

    Absolutely. Same goes for the Muslims, Shudras and other minorities in India and India boasts of being a secular democracy. What a shame!Recommend

  • pork lover

    No,Kashmiris look South asian.Everything to the east of river Indus look south asian until the mountains of Arakans! In front of white people or yellow people,Kashmiris,Pakistanis and Indians are popularly called Brown people.Chinese,Japanese,Koreans,Burmese are yellow people,kenyans,somalis are Black people,Irish, Dutch, Germans are white people! Don’t confuse Race with Religions.Not all Arabs are muslims,you know!Recommend

  • pork lover

    You mean ‘south asian’.Indian is a nationality and not a race just like Tajiks or Uzbeks! Majority of people of North-east India belong to Tibeto-burman race!Recommend