No, Jyoti Singh is not India’s daughter

Published: March 7, 2015
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India’s Daughter was broadcast in the UK on Wednesday. PHOTO: BBC/ASSASSIN FILMS

India’s Daughter, Leslee Udwin’s documentary on the brutal gang rape of Jyoti Singh in 2012, was aired last night in the UK on BBC Four.

It’s a hard documentary to watch, because it’s a terrible story to tell: A young woman gets brutally raped and tortured to death by six men. It’s horrifying enough without adding the details and the film has plenty. Her dreams of being a doctor, paid for by her parent’s small savings and by her nights at the call centre. The rapists’ hatred of the fact that she was a woman and she was out, with a male friend; her belief that women could do anything; the description of how one of them pulled her insides out, wrapped them in cloth, and threw them out of a moving bus.

This is, of course, no reason to consider it “an international conspiracy to defame India” as parliamentary affairs minister, M Venkaiah Naidu said, nor to ban its screening. The outrage that government officials have showed towards this documentary will end up helping its success – no one will listen to the critics because everyone will be too busy celebrating it against the myopic stands of the people in power. “There is no rape in India” may well become the new “there is no poverty in India” – remember Slumdog Millionaire? The Indian government has guaranteed the film immediate international success and the heroic status that comes with being banned. It is sad because the documentary could have used some critical scrutiny.

There is much in this film that could be broader, stronger – if you strip the story itself, the brutality of the crime and the excellence of the victim, it fails to truly embody the larger issues of gender violence and the feminist movement in India. At the end, it only hints to what’s beyond this one case and its characters.

The documentary lacks the strength to point to the roots of the problem. Take the title, India’s Daughter. Why? Isn’t that a quintessentially patriarchal label to give Jyoti Singh? She wasn’t India’s daughter. She was India’s promising medicine student. She was Delhi’s fierce citizen, who would stop a policeman from beating up the kid who just stole her purse. She was the fearless woman who stood up against the men who would then kill her – because she would not take being bullied, she would not just do as she were told.

And how can India claim her making, when she was a dreamer, dare we say it, despite India, not because of it? What did India give Jyoti Singh? Not a society that respected her. Not an education for which her family didn’t have to sacrifice every little thing. Not even a safe bus to take home.

The rapists – Mukesh Singh, who recounts his crime and talks to the camera without showing the slightest regret or a full understanding of the inconceivable gravity of his actions, and his criminal companions – aren’t they, perhaps, India’s real sons?

Former chief of Justice Leila Seth, asks in the documentary,

“What kind of human beings are these?”

They are, let’s repeat it, India’s sons; the product of poor education, of centuries of patriarchy, and of violence, poverty and impunity.

It is perhaps easier to explain – which doesn’t in the slightest mean justify – the rapists’ crooked logic, than understand the miracle that someone like Jyoti Singh, who grew up in poverty yet believed and proved that “a girl can do anything”, could exist in India. She is the outlier and so is her family, so are the men and women who took the streets time and again to protest the crimes against women. Her parents were proud and brave in speaking her name when everyone around them had preferred to call her ‘Nirbhaya’ to protect her identity as if she had something to hide.

India is not a country of rapists. But 70% of Indian women are subject of domestic violence, and a crime is committed against women in the country every three minutes. When is India going to face that? Yes, men rape all over the world. But how does that change the situation in India?

India isn’t Jyoti Singh. India is AP Singh, the defence lawyer who still stands by his statement that he would have burnt his own daughter if she were found “disgracing herself”– his way of referring to having contact with men. India is the policeman in charge of the investigation who talks about the great job done in finding the rape’s culprits and guarantees that Delhi is a very safe city “even for women”. India is the government who is more worried about a documentary that might taint the country’s image than about the fact that it depicts a horrific truth. India is ML Sharma, the other defence lawyer interviewed in the documentary. In his words about women, in how he sophisticatedly compares them to flowers and diamonds, transpires an unsettling disgust – perhaps even more troubling than the raw, uneducated violence of the rapists.

His description of India, of all that was said in the film, lingers.

“We have the best culture. In our culture, there is no space for a woman.”

Has this culture changed at all in the past two years? Or did it just have a moment there at the end of 2012? The protests are almost an extra in the documentary. Did we then just go back to asking that the murderers get hung, that the juvenile gets tried, that the rotten apples get thrown away while fresh ones rot away in peace?

This post originally appeared on Quartz

Annalisa Merelli

Annalisa Merelli

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The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Anjaan

    These are beasts in human form … that is the simple fact … it is just not fair to generalize the horrific act as the norm about all men in India … such beasts live in all societies across the world … India surely has a problem of inadequate security for women and containing these beasts on the prowl, on the streets of India … !!Recommend

  • Abhishek Chaturvedi

    “She was Delhi’s fierce citizen, who would stop a policeman from beating up the kid who just stole her purse” … HELL yeah what a filmy plot …:D

    where do u get such stuff?? and then she took that kid to a corner and gave him all he asked for on the condition that he won’t steal again…:D
    LOL… where do u get all these stuffs from man????salute to the film maker indeed…:DRecommend

  • Abhishek Chaturvedi

    i am not sure how some one gets 70% …. anyway the report is very old … and i say 90% of females in west face domestic violence …. it all depends on the definition of violence …. talk about men too in that case … but NO…lets not deviate from the topic :/Recommend

  • Queen

    The most shocking thing is that there are educated people like Lawyer M L Sharma who support the mindset of these rapists. As a girl and as a human being, I demand that all rapists,along with those who support their views, anywhere in the world, should be hanged in public.Recommend

  • emdd

    I have just one question why wasn’t the guy who was with jyoti on the night of the incident shown in the documentary… or why has his views not been shared
    Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    death penalty for rapists with strict law enforcement reforms.Recommend

  • Nandita.

    “India isn’t Jyoti Singh, India is AP Singh” ” How can India claim her, when she was a dreamer, despite India , not because of it.”

    Ridiculous statements. India has millions of girls who dream and realise their dreams-not despite India but because of it. We have chauvinists like these lawyers, but we also have great teachers and parents who toil to ensure that the girl child gets equal opportunities to succeed. If you would’ve done a little bit of reasearch you would’ve come across many who’ve studied in government run schools and have gone on to become first class engineers and doctors.
    Yes, I can understand what my country looks like to outsiders like you, if you had cared enough, you would’ve done a little bit of research and found my words to be true.
    I am an educated woman from India- and let me tell you, I owe a lot to my country. I am what I am because of India. My fellow countrymen taught me the importance of a good education, it is here that I learned to dream and pursue my dreams.And this may come as a shock to you- I was encouraged at every step and had the freedom to follow my dreams.
    Can you tell me why do western countries recruit engineers from India? Why are there so many Indians in silicon valley? Why do these these companies visit IITs ever year and recruit Indians? (iits are India’s best colleges which are govt funded.) India has empowered these young men and women to reach the heights they have. This Indian society has taught them to aim for the sky.

    I agree that Rape is a very serious issue that needs to be addressed and tackled by Indians, a mindset change has to be brought about. I agree with all of that.
    But , I object to some of your statements though- India is not made up of AP singhs and Mukesh Singhs only. We have millions of girls like Jyoti Singh as well. Yes, Ap singh is india’s son but Jyoti Singh is and will always be India’s daughter.Recommend

  • Ammar

    This is the real face of Bharat…
    SHAME ON YOU MILLION TIMES…

    Indias throwing the sh*t on Pakistan’s Internal affairs must look at their own country !!

    Sympathies for the poor girl and family, we felt this pain badly on this side of the border as well..!!Recommend

  • Osama S Memon

    This broke my heart. Listen to that “filth of a human being” saying its her fault. India you need to focus on educating your men more than anything else!Recommend

  • Nandita.

    Actually, that ‘policeman/kid who stole her purse’ bit is true. I have seen the documentary. Jyoti’s tutor had narrated this incident to the filmmaker.Recommend

  • Sara

    I cried my heart out while watching this. It’s shameful how the so called ‘Parhay likhay’ people are justifying the rapists.Recommend

  • Indian

    Yes Nandita I second you. Yes
    there are so many problems in India. I accept. I am also an educated working
    Indian woman and till the date I got lot of support from my parents, my
    teachers, my friends, my colleagues. Aren’t they Indians? Hundreds of people
    came to roads to support the victim in Delhi. Aren’t they Indians? The
    population of India is 1.3 billion and a lawyer opinion and a brutal rapist
    opinion don’t represent the opinions of 1.3 billion people. Yes I accept there
    are people like lawyer in India and at the same time there are millions in
    India who opposed his views.Recommend

  • sattar rind

    Well writen article. And sorry for defending lawer .. really what kind of man he is?!Recommend

  • Anjaan

    Perhaps the BBC documentary maker did not think it would serve her objective … which is to show all of India in bad light … some thing the BBC has been consistently doing for many decades …Recommend

  • https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=8559594100366660134#allposts Supriya Arcot

    Woah hard hitting prose , indeed . Hope it gets aired in India .Recommend

  • Adpran

    Rapist usually defend himself through blaming the victim. It’s happen not only in India. Lawyer who defend the rapist often blame the victim too as method to defend his client. It’s happen not only in India.

    But maybe India is the only nation that show sympathy to the rape victim through call her as daughter of the nation.

    By the way, I am not Indian.Recommend

  • bakhtawar tufail

    cut a person’s arm and nobody will DARE to steal. . sue a guy who rapes a woman and nobody will DARE do the same… u call yourself democratic country??? not giving justice to a girl who was raped so brutally…… ask yourself if it was your mother and sister?? very disappointed with the mentality of the high authorities… “We have the best culture. In our culture, there is no space for a woman.” .. WAO .Recommend

  • Adnan

    I haven’t watched this documentary yet but I have been following this story since day one, the poor girl lost her life but the statement of rapist should never have been published! It points to the sick mentality of his and also many many more roaming around in the streets of Delhi and Karachi sharing the same belief!

    Voices need to be raised against such mentality sooner rather then later! Am sure he isn’t the first one with these beliefs and neither he is the last!

    The only solution would be to introduce new laws to discourage this heinous crime and EDUCATE people for god sake!Recommend

  • AB

    Its not the one lawyer, its the thinking which is prevailing in mindset of the men. That they are more superior than women and women have no right to go out or claim its independence.Recommend

  • AB

    This documentary revealed the darker side of India. Lot of population live in shanti town. They don’t have any education and moral character as shown in movie. For them girls are there for their service. They could do anything whatever they like. Ignorance won’t change the fact. Rather accepting our mistakes and try to make them up, is a better solutionRecommend

  • hafsa

    i dunno why this discussion is becoming biased.the crime committed here is so heinous that u cant remember your identity.i am a pakistani but for me its not the time to malign india or the bbc documentary maker that she portrayed india as an unsafe country.i am literally shocked not because of the rape but because of the fact that those monsters were not satisfies after rape.they had to bring her entrails out.how could they do that.after listening to the bus drivers accusations against the girl i feel like hanging wasnt just enough.he needed more than that.Recommend

  • Sara

    This comment does further to solidify the stance of the documentary. Men of India are indeed sick and twisted.Recommend

  • sehrish

    tears come under my eyes watching this act of brutality.Jyoti though u are far away but in my heart u will always stay and ur mum is a great women with great thoughts!!!May your soul RIPRecommend

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html ɱαѵ∈ʀϊ¢ƙ

    People are so used to lies that when truth is presented to them, they imagine its just all lies.Recommend

  • http://www.chinasmack.com/2010/pictures/filthy-india-photos-chinese-netizen-reactions.html ɱαѵ∈ʀϊ¢ƙ

    Classical anecdotal evidence story i.e. evidence from 1 person that purports to speak for everyone.

    BTW, now that we know 1 girl in India is doing fine, can you make sure that the remaining 615 million are safe too? If life is so good for 1 girl in India, how bad can it be for the other 615 million? It’s not like Indian politicians are going around saying, “Boys will be boys. They make mistakes. Will they be hanged for rape?”Recommend

  • Sonia

    Why does India have to be the rapists and the defence lawyers? Why can’t India be jyoti singh? Why can’t India be the thousands of people who protested against this horrific crime? Why can’t India be the parents who raised a daughter like jyoti, parents who are good human beings? Why can’t India, or any country for that matter, be the good side? Why do you have to call the good people the outliers? Why can’t you say that the lying and scared government, and the narrow minded people making demeaning statements about women are outliers? And quite frankly, this is not a problem only INDIA is faced with, look around, this mindset exists in almost every second society in the world today. Recommend

  • Nandita.

    Not everyone who lives in slums is a rapist. All of them do not condone rape.
    Btw, rich and educated men rape women as well.
    Income levels/educational background has got nothing to do with rape.
    No one is ignorant here. Did you even read my comment? I accept that rapes take place in india and patriarchal mindsets and misogynistic attitudes are to be blamed. From an early age, men need to be taught to respect women. The point I made was a different one. Unfortunately, you didn’t get it.Recommend

  • Jen

    These are cases of honour-based violence and honour killing. It is all about controlling women’s behaviour within society which it was. This notion of shame, embarrassment, and honour status leads to honour killings. However, the brutal gang rape and murder seems to be beyond that where the rapists in India just use and see ways of exploiting women and girls in any means possible. Most importantly, the Indian rapists and men do not want women to be visible in society and believe they must be kept behind doors as slaves in their own home to maintain the men in power.

    I am of Indian heritage and from what I have seen; the Indian law, tradition, and culture certainly promotes and validates Jyoti’s extraordinary severe brutal gang rape and murder. For instance, even the defence lawyers were condoning her rape, the parents and wife of the rapists did not show any remorse, and most
    shocking of all, were passing the blame onto the other rapists. Typical Indian family cannot accept responsibility so why not pass the book? Vile people.

    This is a group of men who are using their “mode of so-called enjoyment of sheer brutality” and blaming the young lady’s name to bringing shame onto the society of somehow find a way of justifying it and therefore, she must be taught a lesson by the atrocities they committed. Her life was brutally cut short and India must wake up and act upon these heinous crimes, not to be swept under the rug.

    Although Hinduism is not the cause of this brutal gang rape and murder, it certainly validates it through its tradition and laws. It certainly validates women to become sex slaves to serve god (devadasis system) in the name of Hinduism. How can women’s rights improve if you have a religious and legal practises like this?

    India cannot be a developed country and will never be as many women do not work and women are not equal and therefore, the economy cannot prosper until women are educated, equal, and in work. India’s very much like the Middle eastern countries, living in the stone age. The only difference is that the women have a voice, are not invisible, and completely wiped out from society. There is some chance for hope.

    Well done BBC! RIP Jyoti Singh.Recommend

  • Jen

    These are cases of honour-based violence and honour killing. It is all about controlling women’s behaviour within society which it was. This notion of shame, embarrassment, and honour status leads to honour killings. However, the brutal gang rape and murder seems to be beyond that where the rapists in India just use and see ways of exploiting women and girls in any means possible. Most importantly, the Indian rapists and men do not want women to be visible in society and believe they must be kept behind doors as slaves in their own home to maintain the men in power.

    I am of Indian heritage and from what I have seen; the Indian law, tradition, and
    culture certainly promotes and validates Jyoti’s extraordinary severe brutal gang
    rape and murder. For instance, even the defence lawyers were condoning her
    rape, the parents and wife of the rapists did not show any remorse, and most
    shocking of all, were passing the blame onto the other rapists. Typical Indian family cannot accept responsibility so why not pass the book? Vile people.

    This is a group of men who are using their “mode of so-called enjoyment of sheer brutality” and blaming the young lady’s name to bringing shame onto the
    society of somehow find a way of justifying it and therefore, she must be taught a lesson by the atrocities they committed. Her life was brutally cut short and India must wake up and act upon these heinous crimes, not to be swept under the rug.

    Although Hinduism is not the cause of this brutal gang rape and murder, it certainly validates it through its tradition and laws. It certainly validates women to

    become sex slaves to serve god (devadasis system) in the name of
    Hinduism. How can women’s rights improve if you have a religious and legal practises like this?

    India cannot be a developed country and will never be as many women do not work and women are not equal and therefore, the economy cannot prosper until women are educated, equal, and in work. India’s very much like the Middle eastern countries, living in the stone age. The only difference is that the women have a voice, are not invisible, and completely wiped out from society. There is some chance for hope.

    Well done BBC! RIP Jyoti Singh.Recommend

  • Abhishek Chaturvedi

    good … so i am indeed not to be blamed then ….Recommend

  • Abhishek Chaturvedi

    and men in pakistan are nor suicide bombers?? gimme a break……Recommend

  • Abhishek Chaturvedi

    i have seen the documentary too !!! i saw him completely narrating the incident …. but do u want me to believe that he did not say that to make her character appear more distinct ,unique and worthwhile of a hero of film?? ( P.S dont assume i am mocking nirbhaya here …. utmost respect to her and her family …. death to her rapists …..death to rapists around the world … long live women of mother india ) ….Recommend

  • B.N. Jairam

    The documentary itself is a pretty shallow recounting of the incident, with the seasonings of Mukesh’s narration, grandstanding by the ex judges, a few protest scenes, etc. But the key observations from me were the following:

    1) The real pain that is communicated by Jyothi’s mother and father

    2) The total lack of introspection from the powers that be – which is a guarantee that things will remain the same going forward

    3) The sick statements of AP Singh and ML Sharma, which is undoubtedly a microcosm of the larger mindset that exists in our society (I can count a few individuals from my own acquaintance list who would echo those sentiments). IMHO, these vile vermin are to be reviled more than the rapists themselves as they are the guarantors of the status quo. They will ensure that it stays embedded in the society’s DNA, which is a larger crime but unfortunately unpunishable.

    4) Finally, the erosion of trust that this documentary has led to…. Mukesh, Ram, Vinay, Pawan, etc. are your normal people that you encounter daily. I used to have a certain level of implicit trust in India’s humanity. But this is a wake up call to assume, as much as I would hate, that everybody is a rapist/murderer and be on guard all the time. Paranoia??? Maybe, but better than having yourself, your sister, daughter, wife or friend end up being the next Jyothi Singh.Recommend

  • BlackJack

    Thank you. Couldn’t have said it better, and the fact that it comes from a woman makes it much more powerful. My head hangs in shame when such incidents happen in India, but the blog attempts to smear everything in our country with this one ugly brush stroke when in reality we are a tapestry with many colors, some bright and some dark. That said, the movie is also a mirror in which men like me must be willing to see ourselves, else no one takes responsibility and the problem only gets worse.
    On an aside, I also find it amazing that those who argue most vehemently against stereotyping and often tell us that jihadis and violent extremists form but 1% of their population today have the temerity to ride on this article to take petty pot shots at us, telling us that this is all we are. Reason is clearly not their strong suit.Recommend

  • Asad

    Totally disturbed..the documentary shapes up the true picture of India “”Recommend

  • Raiha

    Well written article. Agreed! But I don’t understand all these comments coming from a crippled nation i.e; pakistan! As if there are no such issues in our country its just that we don’t highlight them and we do not want to address them! Indians should feel proud for raising the voice I hope it helps rest of the women in there! Recommend

  • SaganjaVk

    This story shattered my heart ever since it went viral. I want to help her family. Is there any fundraising campaign in place for this family? Or is there any way I can contact this family directly? Please help.

    Thank you.Recommend

  • Rahul Sharma

    It has never occurred to anybody, regardless how smart or well-informed one is, that there is too much of grotesqueness in what is generally taken for granted, life in India. Growing up and learning, from society, from within the family… there is a lot…Recommend

  • Prashant

    Ohh…unbelieveable, how can a human be so cruel to another, especially a lady. I knew it was not just rape but did not expect the girls ordeal to be this horrific. Shame.Recommend

  • Azhar Hayat

    i am really not able to understand why the educated people of India are defending the criminals why they are not hanging them ……………………………………………….i think this is the right way to control the percentage of rape in India….Indian government should think about the feelings of their country people ……MERCIFUL ………Recommend

  • Prashant

    “cut a person’s arm and nobody will DARE to steal. . sue a guy who rapes a woman and nobody will DARE do the same… u call yourself democratic country??? ”

    Yes we are a democratic country with all our short comings, we are not perfect but if you end up being a Saudi Arabia in your quest for perfection, it would be an even bigger tragedy.Recommend

  • arshadfilms

    Death penalty will do nothing to deter rapists. The rich get away with murder, let alone rape. The only solution is to show this film widely and to build a movement of solidarity with women- but one that educates MEN as the perpetrators of violence against women. This film has done wonders in moving the conversation away from shaming the victims to holding the perpetrators accountable. We need to go a step further and change the misogynist, sexist, patriarchal mindset we are brought up with which says men are superior to women. We need to put our egos aside and really stop other men from denigrating women. It starts with us. You and me.Recommend

  • Abhishek Chaturvedi

    well u in pakistan focus on ur women problem … there are lots of it ….if i start it then there would be no end…..Recommend

  • Abhishek Chaturvedi

    women are raped everywhere … in pakistan it is worst …. the article is totally useless … india is AP singh…i mean seriously …. in US for a rape so henious a judge awarded just one month sentence to accused and passed bad remarks about women…. u r too blinded to see that … hope sanity prevails in u… but i doubt thats possible in pakistan’s case… to backward people Recommend

  • Abhishek Chaturvedi

    dat mindset is with 80% male population around the world…animal kingdom is better in this regard …. in countries like pakistan where there is no rule of law…. ladies have to cover even their feet ….lol…….pakistani men are notorious in britain for raping white women and torturing their wives…u know that ?/Recommend

  • Abhishek Chaturvedi

    well justice takes time … they are not walking the streets of delhi again in their lifetime are they?? this is not pakistan where judges can be brought or bribed or threatened or targeted with bombs to change decision in criminal’s favour …U toh plz don’t talk about democracy … military courts … weak civil govt … no fair elections … losing parties not digesting loss and blocking roads for days …u call ur self democracy??? LOL…
    and as far as those comments are considered … enough of that has been criticized by indians ….now we can’t kill him for these comments …can we ?? he has been served legal notice … wait for more action…keep following ….Recommend

  • Abhishek Chaturvedi

    this was what we heard from a defence lawyer ….

    THis is what the judge of USA has to say …

    DOCUMENTARY ANYONE ???? BBC??CNN???

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/13/judge-women-rape-victims/1768673/Recommend

  • Adil Uddin

    Even though many Indians may call issues and incidents such as Delhi rape case their internal matter(s), but what the case brought out and revealed was not the six rapists but the mentality and mindset of many men. And such types of people and opinions are not found in India alone but even in its neighboring nations and many other countries where women continue to struggle.

    Irrespective of all political and social issues that Western nations inhabit , we can say that atleast their streets won’t face scenes such as Nirbhaya.Recommend

  • wb

    What an idiotic comment! Devoid of any insight, logic and reason and most importantly what each and every Pakistani lacks, a spoonful of common sense.

    1) India is backward because India is backward. It’s not a question of where a person is. It’s a question of where he’s headed. Inshahallah, we’re headed in the right direction. Indians criticize India more than anyone else. RTE, RTI, free judiciary, free EC, functioning ISRO, burgeoning IT, growing medical tourism, very well done conservation…these things don’t happen if one lacks the wisdom to look within (like Pakistan and Pakistanis does).

    2) Nobody responds against the blogger’s person. But many will respond against the BLOG and the BLOGGER’s bigotry. Perhaps lack of common sense debilitates a person into not making any distinction. The blog has many stupidity and factual errors.

    3) Slumdog Millionaire was never banned in India as the blog says. Contrary to that the film was dubbed in Indian languages and shown. Slumdog millionaire is a film of utterly low standards but that’s a different debate on a different blog on a different day.

    4) The blindness with which the blog says “despite India” shows a degree RACIST ARROGANCE on the part of the blogger’s analysis. And India did not do anything evil to Jyoti Singh. Contrary to that, there was only support and sympathy for the poor departed soul.

    But again, common sense and a Pakistani doesn’t go in the same sentence, just like the words sober and Russian.

    5) Having said all this, I’m utterly, unabashedly and vengefully against the stance of the government in banning the film. I’m betting a majority of Indians are. The government was not only stupid and brash in banning the film, in doing so, it generated more interest in the film. In fact, I would go a step ahead and say that the government has acted just like the rapists. Government has tried to hush up the truth just like the rapists tried to kill the victim to hush up the truth.

    6) I urge every Indian watch this film. This is a great film (not in terms of artistic quality). This is a PRO-INDIA film because it only promotes our motto Satyameva Jayate. This truth must be watched by each and every Indian.

    …ESPECIALLY EACH AND EVERY INDIAN MAN…Recommend

  • wb

    Real face. Do you know the meaning of the words or you just use it like how your pray?

    Everything is real. This is a case involving 2 victims and 5 perps. And it’s their real faces. Not India’s.Recommend

  • wb

    And just so you know, the situation is a thousand times worse in Pakistan.Recommend

  • wb

    What are you rambling about?

    What justice? All the convicts are on death row and on appeal which is likely to be rejected in months.

    And do you Pakistanis understand the meaning of democracy? Democracy has got nothing to do with punishing the culprits, although any just society must punish all culprits and so will India.

    What is with Pakistanis and lack of common sense? Is it in your DNA?

    Of 100 Pakistani comments I read here, rarely, if ever, there’s one comment based on common sense and general knowledge.Recommend

  • wb

    “We have the best culture. In our culture, there is no space for a woman.”

    This was neither said by the government of India nor is it the opinion of the Indians. This is the statement of a sick minded rapist-defending stupid lawyer.

    And for the information of Pakistanis (who by the virtue of their nationality lack common sense and general knowledge), the two lawyers are under so much criticism that they’re likely to be debarred by the respective bar association.

    Now, contrast that to your lawyers who garlanded Qadri.Recommend

  • Faulitics

    “cut a person’s arm and nobody will DARE to steal”
    Leave the stone age barbaric mindset behind.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    I remember the day when I heard the news talking about Nirbhaya. The flashes of many guys I know who have ever mistreated a woman or treat them as objects was what I saw.

    The next day and the entire week after that there were protests all over India, in Delhi and out. It was not just the women, but men were equally represented.

    Each passing day, I watched with wonder as men and women protested. I saw hope in those young men and women.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    I was thinking why this documentary was banned. Probably because the name of the victim was mentioned.

    Its a law in India to not to name the victim, which BBC violated. But, the documentary was needed. Every Indian should know what happened on that fateful night.

    This controversy has ensured the message of this documentary is in the news, which I welcome.

    But, to see the educated lawyer such disgusting things is truly sad. Does this man have any morality? Why shouldn’t a young woman be home by 8:30? Does this man have any power of reason?

    It was nice to see entire India erupting in protests. It was nice to see my family and friends participating in those protests. The shame I felt was somewhat decreased after witnessing young people in Bangalore standing up for a woman they did not know and had nothing in common with them, who did not even speak their language.

    India is the only major culture where there are female Gods. But, apparently the people who follow this culture don’t realize this little fact.Recommend

  • intelektual

    She was born in India, India gave her the education and dreams as well as means to fulfill the same. She was a representative of an urban Indian girl She was India’s daughter ! The rapist were also India’s Son’s from a different social setting or rather the state itself..
    Delhites are pompous, show-offy, privileged and shallow but they are no rapists !
    The problem in India is the great divides ! between its states between its classes and between the mindsets of its cities and villages on the whole !
    South Indians don’t even speak Hindi just one example..
    Delhi happens to be at the cross roads of these vast differences.. The economical and financial writ of Delhi commands a work-force from adjoining rural areas who come into the city to earn and leave with frustrations .. Then there is the calamity of Police jurisdictions.. India’s failure to recognize and prosecute justly rapes is only a part of it..Recommend

  • Asfandyar Humayun

    What are you so proud of??? Isn’t this happen in Pakistan as well… On yes we have more heinous acts.. Our Idiots rape dead…. So stop using this idiotic Chants that SHAME ON INDIA… It is a mindset that is available in every country…Recommend

  • -SHAGY-

    I have never felt so sick while watching anything in my life as much as I did while watching this.

    Please do not share the video so openly…there are young kids out there who have access to this information and it can be really disturbing for them.Recommend

  • hp kumar

    whats the problem with you people?do you have any better suggestions other than cutting ,mutilating ,beheading ,throwing stone etc.. as i see ,this documentary is a blatant attempt by western world to peep into indias internal affair..Govt has done well in blocking this video.pl get over with your imperialistic mindset.Now we feel,we donot need your suggestion about how to deal with our own problem.unfortunately with all its media power and propaganda machine,west has made a habit to vitiate atmosphere in peaceful world .If you r reading my post Ms Annalisa,you would do better by making a documentary on rotherham child sex abuse rather than looking into a country that has pledged to fight for gender equality already.Your harsh word is totally uncalled for full of indophobiaRecommend

  • hp kumar

    And so?we already know what kind of lies you have been fed from your school book…infact everybody in india knows about hypocrite nation..By the way pakistan is a rape free country?Recommend

  • A Pakistani

    Donot Drag Pakistan every where kindly a biased indian with knowing nothing to say but to drag Pakistan in every affair plzz change your filthy mentalityRecommend

  • Syed

    I disagree.Recommend

  • Shae Bloggs

    Dude you seriously need to learn how to form an opinion. DO NOT tar the whole of India with the same brush. The protests were living proof that not all is fine in India and it’s women were making a stand. This is a positive event. Remember India is still a developing country in many ways. It is still learning how to modernise and introduce fundamental human rights after centuries of colonisation, pillage, poverty and inequality. Raining fire and brimstone on it’s shortcomings and tragic social groups is not the way to bring it towards a positive evolution. For you to say that anyone who dares to question your post is a supporter of the rapists mirrors the same self-righteous mentality of those very men. I found your post extremely offensive and disrespectful of the memory of Jyoti Singh. You practically mocked her sense of compassion, understanding and forgiveness. Jyoti Singh did not say there was nothing wrong with India, in fact she was a strong supporter that India’s mentality needs to change.Recommend

  • seismann

    What is new in the film that it needed to be banned.Jyoti.s parents had no objection to it.All these details and chauvinistic statements of some are there in the papers.And people are going to see the documentary anyway,perhaps more people now and it should be..It is a test case on rape in Indian judiciary.
    AS a side note,December 16 has become a day for disasters in the sub-continent.Recommend

  • seismann

    Showing the mirror to society and its attitudes is not showing India in bad light.For some it might be difficult to face the truth,Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    She did not day anything was wrong and consequently she was raped. Why do you find my post offensive only you can tell. I did not comment on my post genius. I said whosoever is against the blog is for the rape.
    Learn to let go of your self righteous attitude. Nothing is wrong in India you say? Read the news dude.Recommend

  • Maryam

    I am surprised to see mentality of Lawyer…If despite of education, he thinks like this then no education can change human thinking.Recommend

  • hp kumar

    oh you have very good idea of indian society it seems..Your hockey players had also very good idea about us..they understood it only when caught of guard showing middle finger to crowd.rnt you guys ashamed of yourself.lolRecommend

  • hp kumar

    no need to show inflammatory video to everyone..the language of rapist is highly provocative ,may create law and order problem..There r other ways to address the issue..Recommend

  • hp kumar

    only men??r you sure?Recommend

  • Optimistic_soul

    Annalisa. your column is no less than a
    fictionary novel. Wish you have access to more information such as the letter written by Anjali Bhushan co-producer of the documentary whose services have now been terminated by BBC as she was vocal about the lack of proper approvals for the release of this documentary, Also, BBC has now pulled out the documentary
    citing copyright issues..do you need any more proof of BBC’s intent on the
    documentary

    Read The BBC has pulled “India’s
    Daughter” from YouTube around the world on Quartz India by Heather Timmons..

    Annalisa – it would be great if you could update yourself on the intent of the docuementary by using some logic or seeking answers from BBC and then attempt to write facts instead of the amateurish fiction that you have produced above.Recommend

  • Optimistic_soul

    Annalisa. your column is no less than a
    fictionary novel. Wish you have access to more information such as the letter written by Anjali Bhushan co-producer of the documentary whose services have now been terminated by BBC as she was vocal about the lack of proper approvals for the release of this documentary, Also, BBC has now pulled out the documentary
    citing copyright issues..do you need any more proof of BBC’s intent on the
    documentary

    Read The BBC has pulled “India’s
    Daughter” from YouTube around the world on Quartz India by Heather Timmons..

    Annalisa – it would be great if you could update yourself on the intent of the docuementary by using some logic or seeking answers from BBC and then attempt to write facts instead of the amateurish fiction that you have produced above.Recommend

  • Optimistic_soul

    why are you guys deleting my comment…please note that bbc has withdrawn the documentary citing copyright issues….anymore proof needed for the intent…plus they have sacked Anjali Bhushan , co-producer who opposed the telecast of documentary without proper approvals… i pasted her letter which you have deletedRecommend

  • Nandita.

    That was not my story alone. Millions of Indian women will agree with me.
    You are so willing to discredit my words- I was born and brought up in India. You’re willing to dismiss my experiences and are soo eager to accept the author’s (a foreigner) words as the truth. What should I call that? Recommend

  • hp kumar

    Documentary is propaganda by western media to create certain image of Indians..Article by this lady and comments by pakistanis r testimony to the fact that from now every Indian male should be considered rapists as portrayed in this documentary..To validate my point further here is more for you..Recommend

  • RFD

    Look at it any way you want. And in different equations. And scenarios. It all comes back to the same thing. This is embedded
    in Indian culture. Slave treatment of women is rampant in India.
    Rape is prevalent in India.Recommend

  • http://www.twitter.com/epilepsytech Epilepsy Tech / Jenny Gristock

    I would disagree that the protests are “almost an extra”; they are first seen right at the front of the documentary at 1min 1 second in. And whilst I understand that if you interpret the word “daughter” as meaning a dependant who is “made” by someone else, it might seem odd to choose “India’s Daughter” as a title, because as you say, Jyoti was a fierce citizen who walked the path of equality that men take for granted every day. But if you reject the idea that daughters are just ‘made’ dependants, but rather, you believe that daughters are citizens, just like sons; with rights to freedoms just like sons, then the title “India’s Daughter” tells us not who made Jyoti, but who let her down. No spotlight shows everything. But from this perspective, India’s Daughter shows us what daughters in India are up against when they assert the rights that male humans do. It shows how those in power have no qualms about using water cannon, bullets and beatings against the men and women who demand equality. We see that there are powerful, educated people perpetuating and threatening harm: the lawyer who says on-camera that he would set alight his own daughter for exercising a freedom that is not denied to sons. And, when we see those in power trying to ban this documentary, India’s Daughter continues to show us that those in power are more concerned with maintaining the status quo than taking action to stop the oppression, rape and murder of their daughters. Daughters are not made. They are born free, and then chained.Recommend

  • Nandita.

    India has its problems. There’s no denying that. But women are safer here, and have more freedom than women in your country and many other countries do. Please, aap hume bhaashan na de. Apna ghar sambhal le.Recommend

  • seismann

    typical subcontinental mentality of spinning conspiracy theories ,and blaming west for ones faults.Where does the documentry say all indian males are rapists,And all of what the documentry says has been many times over in the media .Why not face the truth?Bapu Asa RAm-the religious head of millions has said rhe same thing blaming girls for rape.A BJP minister from AP has said it.This mentality and mindset is real.No denying it.Recommend

  • seismann

    Well read it closely.The case is hardly comparable.And nobody in USA will go berserk if a documentary was made on it.It is a typical reaction of Indians and Pakistanis.Recommend

  • seismann

    well saidRecommend

  • seismann

    Irrational comment to a real problem.Contrary to your vitriolic comment,Indian women are coming out more and more and are as visible as men,and many families are becoming two-earner famiiles like in the West.Devdasi system has been outlawed in free India.There is hardly a comparison between India and Middle East.India is moving forward,whereas Middle East is going backwards.And SA is injecting the same virus into Pakistan.Recommend

  • seismann

    exactly what is being done in IndiaRecommend

  • seismann

    The film-maker didn’t make it up.Her(Jyoti’s) teacher narrated it.Go blame him if you think he lied.And you are denying the lady the goodness of her heart.You can keep your stone heart,Recommend

  • seismann

    you are doing exactly what you say you are notRecommend

  • seismann

    How do you show this type of mentality if not in a documentry.Why would be there a ;aw and order problem showing the film,
    Did many people know the mentality of the rapists before the documentary?Recommend

  • hp kumar

    can we have documentary of rotherham child sex abuse and many like it so that we can look into western mindset..and pl give me a good reason behind the fixation that whatever white people will say is correct and rest is wrong.I think you r also the one who admires colonial era.I know many in the subcontinent having slave mentality wish to migrate to foreign land..I m not one of your kind pl..Whatever is my country, i would like to change it by staying with in the system..No outside influence is required.West is guilty of creating havoc in muslim world .all those nonsense videos and cartoons in the name of freedom of speech were nothing but sheer arrogance of western society brought no change , created chaos,bloodshed ,ended up harming human kind.same i m expecting from this video..GOI should do its best to counter their high handedness in this case .West has no business meddling in our internal affair..
    Ps;-read my post carefully..there is one attachment..How do you justify it ..this news is apparently viral on twitter and quora..His internship request was rejected just coz this documentary says that all indian male r rapistsRecommend

  • hp kumar

    Do you know india has illiterate populationRecommend

  • Abhishek Chaturvedi

    i have utmost respect for her and her family … i wish all the women of india a free open life without any harassment … if i become the dictator of the country … somehow someday … i will ban men from roaming the streets of country after 10 in the night ….Recommend

  • Abhishek Chaturvedi

    nah they wouldn’t … they would just go around shooting blacks and raping girls in their universities and military …. duh ….Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    So what? What’s this obsession about image? Will this reduce investment in India? Reduce its GDP growth rate? Will Indians be harmed by this in anyway? Doesn’t India have anything else to counter this image, like its millions of hardworking, highly successful immigrants? How about our movies? Or our projection of culture which is the only major one where there are women Gods?

    In this world, the outliers stand out. By looking inward and reforming India can stand out. There is certainly a lot of scope for reform. Its like a kid trying to be cool vs a kid who is just doing what is good for him.

    This documentary is not perfect, it leaves out statistics from all over the world. It does not compare situation and laws of similarly placed countries. Banning is counter productive. We don’t want to be known as a nation which bans freedom of thought and expression.

    Nehru once said true freedom is where an individual has the freedom to say which is unpopular and feel free to say so. Anyone can say popular things. Heck politicians take advantage of that and promise us heavens. But, we need opinions which questions. Sometime there will be questions which are simply based on untruth data. We should answer with the truth.

    And, trust me, what Pakistanis think is immaterial. Its a nation which openly discriminates against its minorities and its Religion is the albatross around their necks which they can never rid of. Inspite of criticism, they come to India for medical treatment, for acting in movies, playing in IPL(which doesn’t happen anymore), watch our movies, listen to our songs. They even tried to ape our Republic day parade and like we invited Obama, they tried to invite the Chinese President. As they say immitation is the best form of flattery.Recommend

  • wb

    Spinning conspiracy theory is in the DNA of Pakistanis and not that of Indians.

    This is one individual who has mentioned a conspiracy theory.

    Read all the comments by Indians, including myself. Most are in favor of the documentary.Recommend

  • wb

    Nice, so some stranger who has never met the victim rapes her, violates her innards and kills her and how did it become about honor?

    Oh, I get it, because the perpetrator tried to blame it on the victim so he can not look evil!

    Right.

    So, when was the last time a perpetrator has blamed the victim? I guess never.

    From that logic, I think we should also consider that the American invasion of Afghanistan was a honor-genocide.

    After all America created Bin Laden and then blamed him for what he believed was right. And then committed a genocide in Afghanistan (afterall, when you’re behind the creation of Al Qaeda, I guess you can’t blame Afghanistan).

    Does my logic work for you? Why not? If your rubbish can work for you, why not my balderdash?Recommend

  • wb

    The racist crap with many factual errors is hard hitting? How so?

    But yes, I want it aired in India too.Recommend

  • wb

    Which educated people of India are defending the perps? Are you talking about their defense lawyers? Well, that’s what they’re paid by the tax payers for (unfortunately, but needed, though).Recommend

  • wb

    You’re neither an Indian nor do you know anything about India.

    In all likely hood, you’re a Pakistani lying to make India bad. (It’s another thing that that job is well done by our own government,)

    Here is a challenge for you.

    Please itemize (you know what it means: using bullet points 1,2,3,4,5…) and give me just 5 examples where the gang rapists have pulled out the innards of a victim.

    Please, be my guest. We are a country of 1,200,000,000 people, however, I would accept your argument that this is Indian culture, if you could only point to me 5 similar cases in the history of last 5000 years of records.Recommend

  • Queen

    Although my reply is going to be off the topic but I do want to express my views on your comment. You have said that we should not “tar the whole of India with the same brush”. Well the same can be said when Indians label the entire 180 million Pakistani people ‘terrorists’ after any terrorist attack on our soil. No one in India pause for a second to focus on the protests that are held in Pakistan to condemn the terrorists and extremists who are unfortunately present in our society. If “India is still a developing country” then please keep in mind that Pakistan too got independence at the same time like India in 1947. We are also learning “to modernise” and to “introduce fundamental human rights after centuries of colonisation, pillage, poverty and inequality.” Yet, whenever any person belonging to a minority group or sect is attacked in Pakistan, Indians from across the border raise fingers on the the condition of minorities in Pakistan. Have you ever given any consideration to the rights of Muslims, Dalits, Christians, women, and tribes living in India? Don’t you think it is high time both Pakistan and India, instead of gloating over each others’ shortcomings, focus on addressing their internal issues? I respect your views but I wonder why no Indian think on these lines when something bad happens in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    Usa doesn’t care for its women so nor should India. Clap clap clap. Learn to live a life based on principles instead of comparisons. If the USA says that women are not citizens so will you?
    What a pathetic excuse. I find this excuse nauseating. I had figured that perhaps you had little respect for the victim. But having read this excuse I am shocked.Recommend

  • hp kumar

    I think you r comparing apples to oranges.We recognize terrorist attacks in Pakistan as one of the brutal crime unleashed on humanity.But we r highly disappointed when we find that Pakistanis pin point their fingers towards Indians for terrorist activities occurring in their country.It gives us a feeling that Pakistan is not serious about dealing with the issue in hand which should be their prime concern..Then we Indians r also sufferers of terrorism emanating from your country.As for minorities,we clearly stated that whatever you do with them ,pl keep them home..But they r running away to us..It gives us an opportunity to voice our opinion about the conditions of minority living in Pakistan.. On the contrary to the believe that 18 crs Pakistanis r terrorists is certainly not the opinion of all Indians…As a neighbor we clearly understand the conditions prevailing in Pakistan,but we now believe that pakistan’s civil society should do something on ground to shun growing extremism..To start with ,you can make changes in school syllabus which preaches hate against minority,shia ,ahmedi ,repealing of blasphemy law etc…mere sloganeering will not change ground reality..Recommend