When will India and Pakistan stop complaining to Uncle Sam?

Published: February 3, 2015
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Imagine a similar dossier being submitted by India to the US officials, the whole nation would have been debating the nefarious role being played by Pakistan in the internal affairs of the country.

In India, we live and grow with the belief that the ISI and several non-state actors in Pakistan are responsible  for terrorism in the country. That the trouble in Jammu and Kashmir is sponsored from across the border and people of the valley do not have their own grievances. That Islamic terrorism is spreading its wings in India, courtesy of our neighbour. That it is Islamabad which is responsible for the animosity between India and Pakistan and that the latter does not want to see peace in the region. Everything wrong on the security front is taken as a handiwork of Pakistan’s intelligence network.

This predominant narrative forms the debate and goes unchallenged and unquestioned. We take it as a gospel of truth and anyone challenging the narrative is taken as an anti-national.

But the media and people in India generally, keep away or remain oblivious or uninformed about the activities of our intelligence agencies. We live with the argument that India is a non-interfering nation and does not plant troubles or take interest in the internal turmoil of the neighbouring country.

If there is a report that India interferes in Balochistan and supports the disgruntled elements there, the larger public look at it with pride, gloat over the fact, and remain smug.

It is no wonder that when the news came that Pakistan has submitted a “dossier” to top US officials detailing evidence of involvement of Indian secret agencies in stoking and supporting militancy in the country’s troubled regions, it remained significantly unreported in the major sections of the media. Imagine a similar dossier being submitted by India to the US officials, the whole nation would have been debating the nefarious role being played by Pakistan in the internal affairs of the country.

We grow imbibing this duplicity. Chauvinism is taken as a sign of patriotism.

My point is that why can we not openly debate about India carrying out activities on foreign soil. It is interesting to know that the media is somehow open to discuss the role and design of New Delhi in neighbouring countries, like Nepal, but is silent when the issue concerns Pakistan.

We all live with the belief that India is an ardent friend of Afghanistan and it is Pakistan which is the troublemaker in the Hindu Kush. It is also true to a great extent. But the people in large remain uninformed that India’s deepening presence in Kabul is also a cause of instability in the landlocked nation. Media chooses to remain silent on how India’s entrenchment in Afghanistan causes insecurity to Rawalpindi and Islamabad. There is hardly any informed debate about the need to improve ties between India and Pakistan in order to stabilise Afghanistan.

There is no denying the fact that India’s big brotherly attitude has contributed to a great extent in the militarisation of Pakistan. Whatever might be the reason for New Delhi in supporting the creation of Bangladesh, Islamabad sees it as India’s blatant interference in the Islamic nation’s internal affairs.

The dossier that Rawalpindi has presented to the US administration is the reflection of this mistrust; it shows how India’s unfriendly gesture poses an existential crisis for the country. It has to be taken in the context of the recent bickering between the two neighbours. The cancellation of secretary level talks and the subsequent escalation of skirmishes at the border have created a sense of unease in Pakistan, which has been looking forward to having productive relations with this Narendra Modi government. The dossier is also a statement on Modi’s Hindu right-wing regime, which is largely perceived to be anti-Muslim. The initial euphoria generated in the wake of Modi inviting Nawaz Sharif for his swearing-in ceremony in New Delhi has given way to heightened concerns about the design of the new regime.

There is hardly an attempt by popular media and political establishment to address the mistrust between the two nations. India is liberating its economy but remains a prisoner of past prejudices.

It’s not a question of how much truth there is in the dossier; the question is why, even after more than six decades, the two neighbours cannot handle their concerns bilaterally?

sanjay.kumar

Sanjay Kumar

The author is a New Delhi based journalist covering South Asian and international politics.

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Salim Alvi

    When colonialists stop Roman technique of dividing the natives. Romans created Christianity to divide and enslave Jews and other natives of western Mideast.Recommend

  • Fareed Khan Afridi.

    Excellent article by the author. Hitting all the nails on the head.
    But alas, there is, no hope in sight in the immediate future. India
    is taken over by sectarian, ethnic ideologues, Shiv Sena/RSS terrorists.
    And Pakistan is in the iron grip of sick mullahs gone very very bad.
    The fires are being fueled and fanned from both sides. And no Ganghi or
    Jinnah in sight.Recommend

  • DL

    I won’t even start to analyze this tripe since it is completely based on random, unsubstantiated and contradictory emotions. Recommend

  • http://www.mmabbasi.com/ Mohammed Abbasi

    Agree! Both countries need to grow upRecommend

  • Prashant

    “My point is that why can we not openly debate about India carrying out activities on foreign soil. ”

    India bled real bad since 1980’s when Khalistan movement started and Pakistan started supporting it, that movement stopped but it has been replaced by the one in Kashmir, ones agains Pakistan sponsored. Did India not keep quiet all along, When an attack of the kind which happened in Mumbai, it is people like the author are the ones who ask India to show restraint and not to go to war and when there is talk of India developing deep assets in foreign countries, they have a problem with that as well.Recommend

  • Frantic

    Mr. kumar, what an amazing article. This is the first article I have read in indian newspapers that is balanced and to the point. I am very disappointed with the indian TV media. They are baised and unfair. I am not just talking about the reporting that they do on Pakistan. At some point in time I hope the people of India would realize the wrong information the media is feeding them.Recommend

  • Gp65

    “There is no denying the fact that India’s big brotherly attitude has contributed to a great extent in the militarisation of Pakistan. Whatever might be the reason for New Delhi in supporting the creation of Bangladesh, Islamabad sees it as India’s blatant interference in the Islamic nation’s internal affairs.”

    Please tell me did Pakistan sign SEATO and CENTO pact before or after 1971 which supposedly militarised Pakistan?

    Did Pakistan attack India in 1965 before or after the Bangladesh liberation war which contributed to militarisation of Pakistan according to you?

    Did Pakistan send tribals to Kashmir before or after the Banladesh liberation war that contributed to its militarisation?

    Did Ayub Khan annex power before or after 1971?

    Stop being an apologist. It is not Pakistan’s insecurity but its ideology that make it spend more on military because it wants to estalish parity with a country which has 6 times the population and 10 times the GDP.
    Recommend

  • netizen2010

    This blog is so much full of blatant lies and distortions, it is not worthy of any Indian rebuttals. These types of blogs published in Pakistani media do not undermine India.
    They are detrimental to only Pakistan since it feeds into the Pakistani propaganda/ claim they are not involved in sponsoring terrorism in India.

    Truth alone triumphs.Recommend

  • wb

    I used to be equally naive once. I even used to argue that Kashmir should be given away to Pakistan (as if I owned it) so peace can come to the region.

    But slowly and steadily I realized that Pakistan’s designs are not about Kashmir. Pakistan’s designs are about subjugating the Hindus of India, although at a slow rate. First they want to take Kashmir and then slowly and steadily corrode the rest of the country using a lot of traitors within our own country.

    75 years of history is the evidence of it. You must read the books by M. K. Dhar, the former second top spy of IB. He gives you the stories of Pakistan’s involvement in North East of India before Bangladesh was born. North East of India or Punjab are clearly not parts of Kashmir.

    Also read Hamadoor Rehman report, Pervez Musharraf’s auto biography, books by Christine Fair and others. Also read the 900 page state department report on 1971.

    After reading the history of Indo-Pak in details, and various books written by Pakistanis and Indians, I’ve come to the conclusion that Pakistan’s designs are against the Hindus of India. Pakistan has been lying. Recommend

  • Milind A

    I or the majority Indians may not be in agreement with the points raised by you here, but a counterpoint-thought process is essential and from that standpoint this article seems to be fine. However you lost it when you reverted to that old broken record on Modi being right-wing /anti-Muslim blah..blah.. conveniently omitting the fact that quite a reasonable no of Muslims voted for Modi.

    As for
    1. “Media chooses to remain silent on how India’s entrenchment in Afghanistan causes insecurity to Rawalpindi and Islamabad.” or “My point is that why can we not openly debate about India carrying out activities on foreign soil.”
    you sseem to be painfully unaware how the world works.. Every other country does this, Pakistan started anti-Indian activities first in Nepal and Bangladesh, before we went to Afghanistan. There’s a fine line between collecting intelligence and conducting terrorism and that differentiates India & Pakistan.

    2. “There is hardly any informed debate about the need to improve ties between India and Pakistan in order to stabilise Afghanistan.” – After Pakistan backstabbed us Kargil etc. the trust deficit is zero.Recommend

  • Sunil

    LOL … what a joke.Recommend

  • wiserneighbour

    a piece written exclusively for pakistani readers.pakistani leaders openly declared to bleed India for 1000 years.look who is bleeding?
    This is what happens when you raise a force to act as somebody’s mercenaries.Recommend

  • Gul Bahadur Marri.

    That must have hurt. Needless to say, truth always hurt. No need
    to gnash your teeth, Just go visit some hindu websites. Like in Poona.Recommend

  • Milind A

    Another ad hominem attack – Attack the messenger, rather than countering her arguments… That’s the state of the Muslim world, being low on logic & reason.Recommend

  • Prashant

    Oh.. ET, should not have edited, it was not offensive.Recommend

  • https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=8559594100366660134#allposts Supriya Arcot

    U are lucky ET published your comment. Usually they delete anti Pak comments.Recommend

  • Rohan

    Go back to your talibanized den in faataRecommend

  • OpMocking Bird

    read Lord Wavell’s last speech before he left India if u want to learn why Pakistan signed SEATO and CENTORecommend

  • Vish

    To be fair Pakistanis never made a secret of it. Even Musharraf admitted that solving Kashmir to Pakistan’s satisfaction would not end the enmity. Recommend

  • L.

    Er no. It’s ET. They shall publish anything and everything they can find against Pakistan. And I also doubt they are ashamed to admit it. Recommend

  • L.

    Yeh man, all day, errryyy day. Look I found the average Pakistanis recommended timetable: Recommend

  • wb

    Never use any literary tools such as sarcasm, irony, metaphor, suspense, anticipation, satire, reversal of fortunes… and many others. If one doesn’t have it, he/she comes across as stupid.Recommend

  • wb

    Never use any literary tools such as sarcasm, irony, metaphor, suspense, anticipation, satire, reversal of fortunes… and many others. If one doesn’t have it, he/she comes across as stupid.Recommend

  • L.

    Oh look, Indians recommending things to me; Nothing new here…..Recommend

  • https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=8559594100366660134#allposts Supriya Arcot

    Same pinch. I feel they will pub anything and everything they can find against India . But if the article is pro Pak or Pro M , then they pub it without a min’s hesitation .Recommend

  • Milind A

    You forgot to add
    – kidnapping of Hindu girls & forcibly marrying them.
    – Demolition or forceful occupation of Hindu temples
    – Story telling (1 Muslim – 10 Hindus, cunning Hindus)
    – Followed by prayer & nation building sermons (fire & brimstone)
    The above schedule will be complete once the above activities are added to it.Recommend

  • Rahul

    You should spend 15 minutes watching Pakistani talk shows to hear the hatred that is spewed by Pakistani army generals, civil servants and ministers and you will change your mind about what drives these people. They will say the vilest things, concocted pardigms, all kinds of conjecture. If you show any generousity or goodwill towards them, they will immediately label you weak and incompetent. Anything that goes wrong in their country isblamed on India. Anything that goes wrong in India, is immediately seen as corraboration of 2 nation theory. You can live with friends, competitors or enemies but not with a nation whose sole purpose is to demean and destroy your race.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    Will do. Thanks for the reminder :)
    Recommend

  • someone

    Lets just discuss this dossier that Pakistan handed to US,surprisingly Pakistan decided to present dossier to US instead of India, which means it was Pakistan who went to complain to uncle Sam. Now this so called “dossier” talks about Indian involvement in Pakistan. Also, this dossier was presented before John Kerry visited Pakistan. Did you bother to check what John Kerry said in a press conference when one of the journalist questioned about Indian involvement in Balochistan and support to TTP? He said in plain english that the journalist made lots of assumption which may or may not be based on facts and then he talked about terrorist sanctuaries in Pakistan. People like Sanjay Kumar need to learn something about Pakistan. Pakistani establishment considers India not just as territorial enemy but also as ideological enemy. That means, as long as India exists, it would remain an enemy for Pakistan no matter you give them Kashmir or not. Pakistan represents nothing but anti-India. That is the soul reason for existence for Pakistan. For Pakistan, India would always be “Hindu India” despite a huge population of Muslims in India. You can’t change this type of mentality by giving them some land. Enough land was given to them and they should have been happy but that is not the case.No point of conceding further.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    If they publish against India, they openly allow Indians to retaliate in the worst of fashions.

    But if they publish against Pakistan, its still Indians who crowd the commentary. Why? Because they will provide a more controversial outlook on the subject- which may not occur due to comments by Pakistanis- and there you have it: an ideal ET blog post.Recommend

  • wb

    Again. Please don’t use any literary devices. Keep it straight and simple and simple sentences.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, you’re just not smart.Recommend

  • wb

    Does the fact that my reply to your was not published tells you anything?

    Also the fact that my original comment was truncated half way, tell you anything?Recommend

  • wb

    Now, that’s real good sarcasm but you’re using it on someone who doesn’t even know how to spell properly.

    Waste your energy on someone who at least understands you.Recommend

  • L.

    I never claimed to be, dear. You are the one coming up with these statements.

    Also, try doing something new- The only thing which separates u from the other Indians is your unpredictablity. Not what’s shown here. Recommend

  • Jamshed Rustomjee

    Of course it tells you something. A hindu hate mongering
    troll that hate Muslims, hate Islam and writes gibberish
    because he is banned from Bharati websites for poisonous toxic vitriol. Ends up on ET website. Because ET is pro
    hindus.. Even other hindus don’t like him. He gives them a
    bad name. This troll’s hate list includes Christians, Parsees,
    Buddhists and all other minorities in Bharat..

    ET this is a hindu website but look the other way and print.Recommend

  • Prashant

    Well Supriya, I think they are pretty fair in what they publish and what they do not, my comments have been edited and removed too but I still believe ET is one of the better places to comment.

    Also, there are some people whose blogs would not be published at all unless they bash India real bad and I am sure the Pakistanis feel the same about a few bloggers on ET.Recommend

  • Zee

    Pl add in the list where indian media under played or totally blackout the following events.

    Admission of indian x army chief on carrying out the operations in Pakistan
    Chuck Hagel’s revelation on indian involvement in terrorist activities in Pakistan.
    Handing over of dossier to India in 2009 during the meeting of then PM MMS and YRG in Egypt (sharmel sheikh)

    Now what can you expect from a country where mass murderer has been elected as PM who spewed venom against Pakistan more than anyone in India. Recommend

  • Sid

    They deleted my comment. And it was not even India or Pakistan. It was about this author and his likes and his ignorant view on the issue of which he certainly has no length or depth in understanding. Still ET chose to not paste my comment.
    @ET: We provide you email ids while posting comments. How about putting some effort and at least responding why it was not published.Recommend

  • Zee

    Good one! On the contrary, this time table with one edit more suits to Indians (RSS type) as now a days, Ghar Wapsi and Love Jihad campaign is in full swing in different parts of India.Recommend

  • LS

    I agree…Recommend

  • LS

    Its NOT “Ganghi” its “Mohan Das Karamchand Gandhi” or “MK Gandhi” for short. Just saying Gandhi does not cut it otherwise we have tonnes of “Gandhi” in India like Indira Gandhi, Rajeev Gandhi, Sonia Gandhi, Rahul Gandhi etc… and common denizens whose last name is “Gandhi” but aren’t that famous.Recommend

  • LS

    Yes anyone that does not sing your tune is biased or unfair but the extent by which your media lies on national TV and speaks of unsubstantiated facts, numbers with out any research takes the cake.

    I am not saying that Indian media is all good, but they don’t lie as much.Recommend

  • L.

    There are bad people in both countries, ZEE. Many have ridiculous minds which cant accept living with the other. And if the whole of India was like the RSS type ww3 wouldve already happened.Recommend

  • wb

    Again, dear, you’re not smart enough to understand these things.Recommend

  • wb

    When you assume a Parsi name, at least write like them. The moment you say Bharati, you expose yourself as xxxxxwalaRecommend

  • wb

    Just to clear things.

    It was the Christians of Kerala who first claimed Love Jihad. Christians of Kerala who were the first victims of Love Jihad.

    I’m hoping that you’ll not call the Christians as Hindus and RSS and other things.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    Same old same old……Recommend

  • Sane

    Don’t worry. When Indian trolls do not get any point, they become personal. Old bad habits………Recommend

  • Sane

    Why you are always on Pakistani pages. Don’t you have sufficient at home.Recommend

  • Sane

    Very correct and well said. Indians must be proud that their PM is accused for mass killing of Muslims. Even if not booked to task yet or even acquitted by Indian ‘Courts’, who sentenced death to Afzal Guru with commenting that there is no evidence or proof but public sentiments demand that Afzal Guru must be hanged, as he is a Muslim. Similar public sentiments demanded current Indian PM to be acquitted.

    (Open invitation to Indian Trolls to pounce with their comments)Recommend

  • Sane

    What about talk shows on Indian media?!! They are masters of digging stories from an in-happened event.Recommend

  • Gratgy

    “This is the first article I have read in indian newspapers that is balanced and to the point. ”

    Sorry, ET is not an Indian newpaper, but a Pakistani one. this is not an article, this is a blog. This is neither balanced nor to the pointRecommend

  • نائلہ

    And they repeat their responses, like come up with something new!Recommend

  • wb

    Again, my dear. You don’t even understand logic.Recommend

  • wb

    True. Many have ridiculous mind which can’t accept living with others.

    The best example are the Ahmadis who were at the forefront of creating Pakistan solely on the basis that they can’t live with Hindus.

    Today, look how free and prosperous they’re in Pakistan.Recommend

  • dard3disco

    ISI agent spotted :DRecommend

  • L.

    You are another one of those minds WB, Recommend

  • L.

    Yet again bro, you have nothing left to challenge! Recommend

  • Jor El

    any examples of the diggers with proof ???Recommend

  • Jor El

    No need for pouncing on anything, but wud just like to say a few things. Accusing a man of mass murder and being able to prove it r two separate matters. If u r sure that modi is a mass murderer, surely u know something that an SIT does not. U r more than welcome to share it. there r plenty of modi haters in india who will more than willing to prosecute modi, based on the evidence u provide.
    Regarding afzal guru, here is the full text on the judgement on afzal guru: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/full-text-supreme-court-judgement-on-parliament-attack-convict-afzal-guru/371782-3.html
    Its a little lengthy, so depending how fast u read, u might take some time. Nowhere does the court mention “we give him death sentence becoz hes a muslim and public sentiments demand so, even though there is no evidence against him”Recommend

  • Sridhar Kaushik

    (The dossier that Rawalpindi has presented to the US administration is
    the reflection of this mistrust; it shows how India’s unfriendly gesture
    poses an existential crisis for the country.)

    This turd does not realize that only the Pakistani establishment has been claiming that a dossier has been given to the Americans. Let him or anybody else show even one shred of evidence that this news has been reported in Western press and that USA has acknowledged such a dossier.

    There is no dearth of freelance journalists. They too have to make a living. What better way than to make some conciliatory noises!

    The mistrust is due to Pakistan’s unleashing of terrorism as a state policy against India over the last decade or more. If someone wants to know what others outside Pakistan think about that nation, I will post here just 2 links:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/07/magazine/pakistan-is.html (written during Musharraf’s rule but nothing much has changed):

    (Though the British are long gone, the Pakistanis themselves remain
    colonized by privation. About two-thirds of the population survives on
    less than $2 a day. Nearly two of every five children are
    undernourished. Only 44 percent of all adults can read (only 29 percent
    of the women). The mosques, rather than the government, provide what
    frayed social safety net there is. Perhaps that is because Pakistan is
    habitually broke. Barely 1 percent of the population pays income tax.
    More than half of the central budget goes toward the military and
    repayment of the national debt.)

    Christina Fair, Pakistan expert, exposes Pakistani Army’s duplicity for what it really is during a book talk, presided over by Hussain Haqqani. The link is:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=G3DIOjTmX0M#t=2750
    India may or may not be involved in Balochistan or any other place but if this be true, why give a dossier to USA? Bring out the evidence in the public forum and let us debate it.Recommend

  • Sane

    Very recent; Jan 2015: Boat carrying ‘Pakistani Terrorists’ caught in Indian seas and destroyed by ‘brave Indian naval forces’ or coast guards. Then bubble of shouts, hue and cry went phuuuuuuuuuuuuus. Then all quiet on eastern front. No medals for Indian Naval forces for saving India from a catastrophe. All gone vain and this time Indian propaganda machinery could not work, like past.Recommend

  • Rishi

    Why don’t them wannabe journalist of India make some effort and do some R & D before writing some pointless India bashing rhetoric. This is such a trivial non-sense ill-informed write up. At times I feel Pakistan has better journalist than the likes of this so called broadcast journalist.
    BRRecommend

  • Jor El

    how do u know its not a terrorist boat ?Recommend

  • Nandita.

    I like your responses here (on this thread), Even if the opposite person indulges in personal attacks-you don’t indulge in them.That is commendable.
    waise bhi, nobody thinks ill of the person who is attacked, the offender-that’s the guy who is seen in a bad light. People indulge in such behaviour when they have nothing substantial to say, such behaviour says a lot about a person and what he/she stands for.
    Recommend

  • Jor El

    Buddy, I said “with proof” … this event led to an exchange of allegations n counter-allegations … between an GoI statement n a GoP statement, I wud prefer to believe the GoI statement … u neednt tow the same line, u can believe what u want …Recommend

  • Zee

    Dear, commented with a caveat “RSS Type”! Recommend

  • Zee

    I usually follow indian news and haven’t come across about your claim. If it’s true then again the fuss created by Saffron forces left behind all the claimants. Recommend

  • abhi

    just other day I was reading the blog of Sapan Kapoort who is ideological brother of Sanjay. There he went on about how Obama has reminded Modi about having religious harmoney in India.Recommend

  • Rahul

    Terrorists with bounty on their head hold rallies in Lahore and Karachi. Pakistani commentators maintained Jammat-ul-Dawa was a charitable organization until the day it was banned. Do you really believe India needs to promote terrorism in Pakistan? Pakistan has 100,000 madressahs educating future ulemas. Pakistan is never going to run short of holy warrirors.Recommend

  • Really? The flood of anti-Pakistan, racist, anti-Islam comments from Indians on this website is overwhelming. In fact, most traffic on this website comes from India and ET will be damned if it offends any single one of its cross-border readers. I mean how can the following be an online poll in a Pakistani newspaper?Recommend

  • Jor El

    Buddy, I said “with proof”. The incident u mentioned is a classic example of allegations n counter allegations. U r welcome to believe what u wish to believe, but given a choice between a GoI statement and GoP statement, i will prefer to believe the GoI statement. I can’t force u to agree with me.Recommend

  • Aisha

    True same on DAWNRecommend

  • Aisha

    i have same complain to you you guys are more ahead in this regard dear i have watched my self.Recommend

  • https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=8559594100366660134#allposts Supriya Arcot

    Err .. and how do U know who all voted in this census. Will ONLY Indians say NO ? stop nit picking man.Recommend

  • HZR

    Always blame ochers .When will Pakistan become an adult nations and face up to it responsibilities in the world order?Recommend

  • There are such things as reasonable assumptions. I really doubt hordes of Pakistanis are voting in favor of seeing India as a permanent UNSC member.Recommend

  • Well now you are just not being a good sport.Recommend

  • Enkay

    Romans did not create Christianity. The adopted the Teachings of Christ and called it Roman Catholic. The word Catholic means “Universal”. PeaceRecommend

  • L.

    Well personal attacks get no one anywhere. And when someone goes down to the level of those, clearly they have nothing else to contest you with so they will generally come up with the “you are stupid and I am smart”- argument over.Recommend

  • Sane

    My comments pinches too much to Indians. I love this anguish.Recommend

  • Sane

    Your newspapers and your your security agencies later admitted.Recommend

  • Sane

    Proof? Should you to give your courts or PM? Proof is enough that your newspapers and agencies later confessed they were wrong and again saying there was a big Phuuuuuuuuus heard through out the world. We in Pakistan can expect propaganda anytime. I must appreciate ….. you Indians master in it.Recommend

  • Sane

    India is the only state in this world which supports terrorism at state level and who has a Prime Minister supported by terrorists and extremists. Rather who belongs to an extremist political outfit.Recommend

  • Sane

    Here you are true to the extent that Pakistan has far better journalism competence and ethics. Journalists here do not indulge in propaganda and concocted stories.Recommend

  • Jor El

    “you Indians master in it.”
    If thats a complement, i will accept it …
    “Proof is enough that your newspapers and agencies later confessed they were wrong …”
    Again I ask, where n when did they do so ???Recommend

  • Jor El

    Where n when did they do so ???Recommend

  • Jor El

    Leave aside what ur comments do to Indians. They mean squat as far as “ur love of anguish of Indians” is concerned … u still haven’t answered my question …Recommend

  • Agrippa – The Skeptic

    @Zee:
    “Admission of indian x army chief on carrying out the operations in Pakistan”

    You will have to have a better source than an “x” army chief for this to find acceptance. Reporting a rumour or starting one does not get one anywhere.

    On
    “Chuck Hagel’s revelation on indian involvement in terrorist activities in Pakistan.”
    1. This is a falsification of Chuck Hagel’s statement. He said verbatim

    “India for some time has always used Afghanistan as a second front, and India has over the years financed problems for Pakistan on that side of the border”.

    He meant on the Afghan side of the border. He never stated that India is involved in the terrorist attacks in Pakistan. You Sir, have deduced this for yourself, out of context from the statement, to start a canard.

    2. Chuck Hagel made the above statement in his capacity as the senator of Nebraska. The senators in US are prone to believe the lobbyists at his/her face value. He/She who lobbies last or loudest (with right funding) gets the ear of the senator.
    Chuck Hagel never repeated the statement as the Defence Secretary of the US – when he had access to the details.Recommend

  • Agrippa – The Skeptic

    You have every right to your opinion on what Modi supposedly did or did not do.

    The fact is that it has not been proven that he ordered / or did not order the “mass killing of Muslims” as you choose to call it. He claims he did not and, up till now no Indian court has been able to prove otherwise, in spite of a decade long attempt by a hostile central Government and the leftist Media.

    Now to test your sense of fairplay: Let’s delve in not so recent past (ca. 6+ decades)

    What do you call the person who openly called for Direct Action (16th August – The day also marked the start of what is known as The Week of the Long Knives) which resulted in deaths – the number was in multiples of what you accuse Modi.

    You call him Quad-e-Azam.

    You have gleaned the comments on Afzal Guru and his death sentence from canards.

    The trouble is, when someone is born and brought up in an environment which considers canards, half truths, lies and rumours as cavalier’s delict or mostly as the Gospel Truth, he/she has difficulty with the real truth.Recommend

  • wb

    Google. Google. Google.Recommend

  • wb

    Not at all. I just don’t tolerate the bigotry of Muslims.

    But Ahmadis truly are. The evidence is right in your home.Recommend

  • Salim Alvi

    Desmond Tutu himself a bishop used to say during African struggle for freedom in 60s:

    “Arab / Anglo (white) man came to our land with a book in hand. He asked to close our eyes for the prayer he was going to read from his book. Out of respect to the guest we agreed. When he finished his mambo-jumbo in alien tongue, we opened our eyes. We found we had his book and he had our land… our young and dear ones were being shipped to distant slave bazars of Macca-Madina / Rome & Americas.”

    120 years back two priests from Harvard seminaries landed in Hawai, in mere 20 years native Hawaians became museum piece in their own land. Compare this to 7 feet tall and pot bellied Bodhidharma with thunderous laughter, landed in China empty handed. He taught Dhyan (Zen). Chinese and Japanese call themselves Boudhist but they have not given up their Taoism, Shintoism, Confucianism, their ancestral history, their language and culture like desi converts who are trying to be more Roman than Italians, more Bedouin than Bedouin themselves. Point is Spirituality/Dharma cannot be equated to Roman & Bedouin concept of religion. These religions erase native identity of converts and make them rootless parasites. AfPak region is prime example of such rootless parasites who are willing to destroy themselves if it is going to hurt natives who have not yet converted to these armed-legion faiths. Look at South-Central Americas, the land of Incas with rich and scientific culture is today diffident violent decadent culture after getting brutalized by Roman Catholic. Enslaving colonialists and imperialists like such converted cannon fodder who can be used in Iraq, Syria who can be easily enticed with promise of green card. Pakis alos were lured in war against Soviets which destroyed PakhtunsRecommend