Five reasons Obama prodded Modi about religious tolerance

Published: January 30, 2015
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In an editorial in its weekly publication, Hindu Sabha Varta, the Hindu Mahasabha has challenged Shahrukh Khan, Amir Khan and Saif Ali Khan to convert to Hinduism if they really love their wives.

After murdering King Duncan of Scotland in his sleep, Macbeth returns to his wife with his hands smeared in crimson blood. He exclaims,

“How is it with me, when every noise appals me? What hands are here? Ha! They pluck out mine eyes! Will all great Neptune’s ocean wash this blood clean from my hand? No; this, my hand will rather the multitudinous seas incarnadine, making the green one red.”

Later, Lady Macbeth, in a fit of madness whilst walking in her sleep and rubbing her hands, says,

“Here’s the smell of blood still: all the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten this little hand.”

Likewise, all the perfumes of Arabia, great Neptune’s ocean, and holy Ganges cannot wash away the blood from the hands of those responsible for the Gujarat riots. The world has not forgotten what happened in the streets, alleys and homes of Gujarat in 2002. The world is watching what India’s minorities are being subjected to. This fact was affirmed by the POTUS (President of the United States) Barack Obama during his speech at the Siri Fort auditorium in Delhi. Obama said,

“Our nations are strongest when we see that we are all God’s children – all equal in His eyes and worthy of His love. Across our two great countries, we have Hindus and Muslims, Christians and Sikhs, and Jews and Buddhists and Jains and so many faiths. And we remember the wisdom of Gandhiji, who said, for me, the different religions are beautiful flowers from the same garden, or they are branches of the same majestic tree.”

While citing Article 25 of the Indian Constitution dealing with the Right to Freedom of religion, he said,

“Your (Constitution) Article 25 says all people are equally entitled to the freedom of conscience and have right to freely profess and practise and propagate religion. In both our countries, in all countries, upholding with freedom of religion is the utmost responsibility of the government but also the responsibility of every person.

The peace we seek in the world begins in human hearts. And it finds its glorious expression when we look beyond any differences in religion or tribe and rejoice in the beauty of every soul. And nowhere is that more important than India. Nowhere is it going to be more necessary for that foundational value to be upheld. India will succeed so long as it is not splintered along the lines of religious faith — so long as it’s not splintered along any lines — and is unified as one nation.”

The big question here is: what could have prompted Obama to admonish Modi Sarkar thus on secularism? What could be the reasons behind POTUS’ apparent rebuke to Modi who pulled out all the stops for the former’s India visit, laying the red carpet for his ‘pal’? It seems Modi’s bear hug did not work at all.

Here are five reasons I believe could have influenced Obama in saying what he said.

1. Gujarat riots

A shocking incident in the town of Godhra in which 59 Hindus, mostly pilgrims returning from Ayodhya, were burnt alive by a Muslim mob, triggered anti-Muslim riots in Gujarat which left more than 1,000 people, mostly Muslims, dead right under the nose of the then Chief Minister Narendra Modi.

So much so that the Supreme Court of India once likened Modi to Nero, the emperor who fiddled while Rome burned. PM Modi’s close aide Maya Kodnani was convicted and sent to jail for 28 years. Modi, however, denies any wrongdoing.

Duh.

In fact, when Modi was asked by Reuters in an interview in 2013 if he felt any regret for what happened in 2002, he replied by comparing his feelings to the occupant of a car involved in an accident, saying,

“If someone else is driving a car and we’re sitting behind, even then if a puppy comes under the wheel, will it be painful or not? Of course it is. If I’m a chief minister or not, I’m a human being. If something bad happens anywhere, it is natural to be sad.”

Obama must have read this interview.

2. Growing attacks on churches

When Vikaspuri’s Our Lady of Graces Church was vandalised early in the morning on January 14, 2015, it was the fourth such attack in the recent past in Delhi. Delhi’s Archbishop alleged a clear pattern was emerging in the attacks.

“One person came on a scooter, broke the glass, then returned a minute later and toppled the statue,” Father Balraj said.

Earlier this month, a minor fire was reported from a church in Rohini in Delhi. According to reports, the Christmas crib placed outside the building was completely charred.

On December 2, 2014, a church in East Delhi’s Dilshad Garden area, namely the St Sebastian’s Church, was burnt down in a fire. Police say it was a case of arson, for a forensic team found traces of kerosene inside the church premises. Archbishop Anil JT Couto said,

“A clear pattern of orchestrated attacks is emerging as more and more churches are targeted, vandalised and set on fire. This is very disturbing and we request the authorities to take adequate measures to bring to book the miscreants who are threatening to weaken the social fabric of this great nation.”

Obama must have been apprised of these incidents. The US is a Christian majority nation.

3. Raamzaaden and Haramzaaden

I am pretty sure Obama did not miss this.

Talking through one’s hat and making offensive statements isn’t an aberration anymore with Indian politicians. Apparently, it has become the norm of late, especially during this regime. I wish our leaders instead of running their mouths, not opened them at all.

For instance, senior BJP leader and Union Minister Niranjan Jyoti caused a hullabaloo by using expletives in an election speech in Delhi.

“The people of Delhi have to decide if they want a government of Ramzaadon (descendants of Ram) or haramzaadon (those who are illegitimately born).”

PM Modi refused to sack her.

Another BJP leader Sakshi Maharaj believes that Gandhi’s murderer Nathuram Godse was a “patriot”. He was also not punished.

Need I say more?

4. Love jihad

Benighted fellows of RSS and Hindu brigade have coined the term ‘love jihad’ and their eyes these days are firmly fixated on Bollywood. Days after a morphed image of Kareena Kapoor with her face half-covered with a veil was used as the cover photo of Vishwa Hindu Parishad’s (VHP) magazine Himalaya Dhwani, they have fired their latest salvo on the Khans of Bollywood.

In an editorial in its weekly publication, Hindu Sabha Varta, the Hindu Mahasabha has challenged Shahrukh Khan, Amir Khan and Saif Ali Khan to convert to Hinduism if they really love their wives.

Munna Kumar Singh, the editor and publisher of the weekly, told The Hindu,

“It is our challenge to these Khans of Bollywood if they actually love their wives then they should also try to convert to Hinduism and adopt their religion and culture.”

Mr Singh alleged that there existed a conspiracy against Hindus and the Hindu country. According to him, Sharmila Tagore, Kareena Kapoor, Gauri, Kiran Rao, Rina Dutt and Gauri Chhibbar are all victims of ‘love jihad’.

I would not take these people seriously, but the fact is that there is a government at the centre which is more than sympathetic to their cause. What are they going to do next? Will they ask the Khans to leave their own country?

Obama must have also taken a notice of this and thus he mentioned Shah Rukh Khan in his speech.

He said India will remain unified,

“When all Indians, whatever your faith, go to the movies and applaud actors like Shah Rukh Khan. And when you celebrate athletes like Milkha Singh or Mary Kom.”

Are you listening, RSS?

5. Ghar Wapsi

RSS believes most of the Muslims and Christians living in India today were once Hindus and thus they have every right to reconvert them to Hinduism. Several ghar wapsi’ ceremonies have been conducted in Uttar Pradesh in the past few months in this regard.

But first such incident has been reported from West Bengal. According to reports, as many as 100 tribal Christians were allegedly converted to Hinduism in West Bengal’s Birbhum district on Wednesday. The ghar wapsi was allegedly conducted by VHP. VHP leaders claimed that the adivasis were originally Hindu by faith but were enticed by the Christian missionaries using money. They have been using the same tactics in other parts of the country as well.

How could Obama have ignored these shenanigans of Sangh Pariwar? The US is not ignorant of the aggressive agenda being pursued by these iniquitous fellows who want to make India a Hindu Rashtra where people of other faiths will not be able to live a life of dignity. In other words, they will be treated as second-class citizens. In this manner, Modi’s India can become rich, but not great. For the greatness of a nation cannot be not measured by its GDP or how many weapons it possesses or how many glittering skyscrapers it can boast of.

We ought to respect each other for what we are. A Muslim deserves a life of dignity as much as a Hindu or Sikh does, for, after all, ‘they are no children of a lesser God, and we are all beautiful flowers from the same garden branches of the same majestic tree’. We all are human beings who have hands, bodily organs, a human shape, five senses, feelings and passions. Aren’t we?

And Sir, if being in power means you cannot treat our minorities well, you do not have my respect. You will not have the world’s respect. At least listen to Obama and spare us the horror.

This post originally appeared here.

Sapan Kapoor

Sapan Kapoor

A history buff and India-based journalist, the author has worked with the Press Trust of India. He blogs at sehar-anawakening.blogspot.in/ and tweets as @dRaconteur.

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • ab1990

    A nobel prize winner who is busy sending drones all over pakistan is the last one on earth to listen to.

    Mr sapan no one in india cares what obama says.

    Obama is the world’s biggest hypocrite.Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    A very well written blog. Although I am sure that many people will come here to comment in the negative.and some people will come here to troll.
    To be honest even the biggest mass murderers and the most prolific child rapists justify their crimes, so it is to be expected that some people justify these crimes. What really boils the blood is the fact that there are some people who are callous enough to side with these criminals. Even more ignominious is the fact that some people who cannot find an excuse for these crimes will come here just to troll.
    My advice to all readers is to ignore the troll. Some trolls pretend to hold ideals that are unpopular in order to anger others. So I am sure those too will come here to malign this blog.Recommend

  • Hoshang Ansari

    Another excellent and stellar article. Laying with clarity Lord Modi’s
    dark evil mindset. Truly, he is a terrorist sitting on the shoulders of
    the great illiterate masses, of the Bharati Janata. Hail Hinduland.
    Thank you for writing this excellent article. May your tribe increase
    For years Modi was a pariah in the West. Including US. But greed won.
    The idea of selling toothpaste, shoes,third rate make up and diapers to
    1.7 billion is more lucrative, then say, standing up for human rights.

    ET moderators,understood this is the hindu section. But Muslims need
    to slide in a comment, edgewise, every now and then.Recommend

  • Gratgy

    Half this article is copy paste. Looks like a comment rather than an article. ET has come to this.Recommend

  • Gurion

    What’s wrong with Ghar Wapsi ?! Was there any force or threat involved. It’s pure business and Hindus have equal right to their own native market. These aren’t colonial times after all. If muslims and christians have the right to proselytize, then so do Hindus!Recommend

  • Ali

    Well said. India is under a Hindu extremist administration and is fast heading towards becoming a Hindu state.Recommend

  • hp kumar

    All three khans would have married pakistani muslim girls..They have huge fan base among pakistani girls,as i have heard…Recommend

  • Salman Shareef

    Thanks Sapan for showing us the true and ugly face of Secular India. Indian Trolls need to fix their home before commenting on our forums and pointing out the finger on Pakistan.Recommend

  • Critical

    YAAAWWWNNNN!!!!!!Recommend

  • Parvez

    As an observer from Pakistan, a country already in the fire, your blog seems to say that India is getting ready to jump from the frying pan into the fire, and you have quoted 5 instances to substantiate this. I feel that if closely scrutinized each would have a certain weightage to bolster your argument but certainly not enough to justify the hard conclusion that you are attempting to draw. If you are implying that possibly a trend is being set and if allowed to continue it would be bad…….I’d agree with you on that.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Its like saying Jinnah is responsible for Direct Action day riots when he was the President of Muslim League and there was a ML Govt in Bengal.
    Modi, like Jinnah, should be treated fairly.Recommend

  • Sid

    For a self proclaimed history buff Mr Sapan you have absolutely not a slightest education in history.
    Picking isolated incident and focusing all attention to it is like making a selective choice on what you really want to spend your energy on.
    It is like ignoring the overall beauty of the moon by just focusing on it’s ugly craters.
    Has this thought ever passed your feeble imagination that Obama mentioned about religious freedom just to advise Modi that he has to be extra cautious in time of ISIS and growing terrorism threat which is more spread thanks to social media. So any isolated incidents by any random groups will easily go out of hand to throw stabilizing state into chaos.
    A friendly advise is not prodding. Maybe you do not understand that difference.
    @ET: this is an article which justifies debate.Recommend

  • Visibly

    Excellent. Do you feel safe expressing these views in India?
    How would you feel in Pakistan expressing similar views against how Pakistanis deal with minorities, in terms of so-called blasphemies etc?Recommend

  • Visibly

    And by the way: Conversion!
    Why should a Muslim woman not be allowed to marry a Non-muslim?
    As an outsider, I find it horrendous that Muslim women cannot marry whom they want. Equally bad as Catholics or Jews forcing the faith on children of mixed marriage.Recommend

  • Arshad Khan

    Well written. Minorities in India and Pakistan will have to betreated equally and fairly. Otherwise there always will be a crack in the mirror of India and Pakisan.Recommend

  • indian

    mr sapid kapoor we know all pseudo seculars are pissed a lot. if muslimss and christians can covert hindus so do we.Recommend

  • Queen

    I am sure this blog is not going to be liked by the Indians who visit ET. Efforts will be made to negate the facts mentioned in the blog.Recommend

  • hp kumar

    feel good article for pakistanis lol…picture tagged along with blog tells a lot…Recommend

  • hp kumar

    I will keep no bones about it India indeed is a Hindu country..If any pakistanis have confusion about it,then you r living in a fools paradise..Recommend

  • ab1990

    thank god india is becoming a hindu state. We have no interest in becoming an islamic state like pakistan or saudi.Recommend

  • Milind A

    Chill man… The same Obama who advises us is bombing your Islamic countries left right and centre…
    So don’t get too enthusiastic.Recommend

  • Milind A

    @Author – Why are you repeating the same stuff over and again – just to fill up that odd column of yours?
    These points have been extensively covered in the media and most Indians saw through the lies perpetuated by your pseudo secular campers.Recommend

  • Akhand Bharat

    So what is your problem? You chose to have a separate country in 1947.Recommend

  • abhi

    It is only congi and their sychophants are reading too much in Obama’s message. If it was really a criticism of Modi or BJP govermnet why Obama has even accepted to be guest on 26th january?Recommend

  • Prashant

    Some of the offshoots of RSS have a very narrow minded view of those whom they consider as others but at the same time they are not in a position to force anyone to convert to Hinduism as Sapan would want us to believe.

    Also, RSS wants to convert the minorities to Hinduism, what else do you expect from an organisation which talks about Hindu nationalism, this is a country where there would be no single man would be a Christian, Muslim or any minority if they did not convert, there are people who are even today converting to other faiths from Hinduism, I do not see an issue if the RSS wants to have people of other faiths convert to Hinduism as long as they are not forcing people.

    Sapan Kapoor will find an enemy of Indian minorities even if BJP and RSS do not exist else what would he blog about.Recommend

  • Prashant

    There is no institutionalised prejudice against the minorities in India, the prejudice comes from the common man and it exists among all communities.Recommend

  • abhi

    It has become a fashion in pakistan to say the India is slowly turning in to Pakistan, and they seem pretty happy with that. Sorry to disappoint you guys there it is not gonna happen.
    You can see the 5 points listed in this article they are like creating mountain of mole hill. In meanwhile lots of BJP party members have been killed in UP and Kerala, lots of temples are vandalised in various part of India, but mr Sapan Kapoor has no time to see all this things happening. He is still stuck at Gujarat roits which happened 12 years back.Recommend

  • Prashant

    Lets get to the facts then:

    Gujarat riots 2002 in a country where the Muslims live in overwhelming numbers, as far as I know Pakistan is 97% Muslim, may I know why do you have to Christians attacked in a Church and Shias blown up in Imambargah’s, the list is long and I do not have to go decades back.

    Love Jihad: Thank God Sapan Kapoor is not popular among Indians else more people would be aware of this term which as of now is a non issue for most of the Hindus, how about Rinkle Kumari, she was hardly a willing convert to your faith.

    Growing attack on Churches: Condemnable indeed but how many, you can count on fingers, how about Pakistan which has religious places destroyed by the people your own establishment has produced, can you say the same for your country?

    Ghar Wapasi: If you have a right to preach, so does the Hindus, as long as people are not forced, you should not have an issue.

    The Indians do not have a opinion of Pakistan because it is at war with itself, our opinion of you is based on your actions against innocents of India, none of the Indian extremists cross the border to kill innocent Pakistanis.Recommend

  • Prashant

    We are fixing our house and to be honest most Indians do not give a damn about whether you are fixing yours or not, all we care is Pakistani mercenaries attacking innocent Indians on the streets of our cities.Recommend

  • Prashant

    “To be honest even the biggest mass murderers and the most prolific child rapists justify their crimes, so it is to be expected that some people justify these crimes. What really boils the blood is the fact that there are some people who are callous enough to side with these criminals. ”

    Modi is the elected PM of India, he may or may not be voted back to power when his tenure is over, what about :

    Jinnah: The man who gave the call for direct action and as a result a million died, why do you call him the Quaid?

    Pakistan Army: You are proud of it and so is the entire nation of Pakistan, do I need to remind you of their excesses in East Pakistan and toppling the elected Govt’s of Pakistan.

    Mohd Iqbal: Are you aware of his opinion of the man who killed a Hindu for his alleged blasphemous act?

    You lose the right to call someone a villain when the above are your heroes.Recommend

  • Sarita Talwai

    Dear Sapan Kapoor,

    I have been reading your sanctimonious blogs for a while now. It worries me that you so blithely cherry pick random incidents and manufacture a pot pourri of titillating examples to satiate the hearts of our neighbours. You are doing grevious harm to us as well as to them. You are reinforcing a false narrative which has festered in Pakistan for too long, about the rabid cunning Hindu whose agenda is it to destroy Pakistan and ill treat Muslims. We are not like that. You know it yet you insist on obfuscating facts or exaggerating situations. I grew up in Mumbai in a predominantly Hindu locality. During the Bombay riots of the early nineties, the city came to a stand still. We had a lone Muslim family in our apartment complex. Every day, the residents would take turns to buy their grocery, run errands for them, and help them in every way. My father, who has a very rare blood group , donated his blood to an injured Muslim kid without thinking of his own age or the religion of that child.

    It is people like you, vitiating the atmosphere and muddying the waters ,who totally negate the efforts of my father and the other neighbours who protected and helped a fellow Human . If you ever had a positive experience regarding us, please write about it. Or are you scared that your readership will vanish ?

    Recommend

  • hp kumar

    Do you know who is the biggest mass murderer and the most prolific child rapist??A 56 yrs old man who married 6 yrs old girl childRecommend

  • Gul Zaman Ghorgasht.

    That would be the best recourse. Ignore these trolls. They are pathetic.
    And with a very sick mindset. Displays what a teeming ugly mass of
    bunyas and munshees live next to Pak. No wonder the Muslims wanted
    a separate country. They wanted nothing to do with these sorry excuses
    for a human beings. What an ugly race of humanity.Recommend

  • Golnath Agarwal

    When you make up your mind let the rest of us know.
    You are, as always, teetering on the wall. Unable to
    make a decision.Recommend

  • Surya

    Kashmiri pandits. Talk about us. Religious intolerance? Recommend

  • Hypocrisy?

    Once again Bringing up irrelevant facts in order to defame Pakistan? Can you at-least stay at topic for once Mr Prashant?

    Firstly: 10,000 not a million died in the Bengal riots and more Muslims were killed by Hindu Mahasaba and Congress supporters than Hindus were.

    Secondly: India’s actions in Kashmir are also out for all to see, I did not like to bring this up but you are the one invoking the military…

    Thirdly: You are calling Iqbal a “villain” simply because of his “opinion” and the fact he protested against the hanging of the above-mentioned person? Talk about a witch-hunt. In your opinion Gandhi would also be a villain for supporting people like Bhagat Singh who was involved in militant activities against the British(I believe I have mentioned this before)

    “You lose the right to call someone a villain when the above are your heroes.”
    Your ending quote makes no sense. In your hatred of Pakistan you may call our founders villains but do not expect us to listen to your bias with open ears.

    The people of Pakistan reserve every single right to judge others based on their views of them. Some compulsive commenter sitting away in India is not going to change this fact…Recommend

  • Milind A

    What’s the big deal if RSS wants to convert Muslims & Christians to Hinduism? Christian missionaries are running amok and have been converting people of other religions to their own, while running down other faiths. Muslim countries have banned them outrightly.
    Why these double standards? If everybody plays by the rules and condemns Christian missionaries or Muslims who oppose existing Islam, then we can also condemn the RSS. But that never happens.Recommend

  • Salman Shareef

    Man I like your sense of humor. Recommend

  • Salman Shareef

    Oh come on man, do not need to give us your made up bhashan. Fix your home first before pointing finger on us. Go and comment on your forums. Recommend

  • Salman Shareef

    What’s the problem with you? I know truth hurts.Recommend

  • Salman Shareef

    It has also become fashion to blame Pakistan for any terrorist activity happens in India. Even small cracker blasts on the street of Delhi, your moron media start blithering against Pakistan.Recommend

  • Arshad Khan

    Agreed.Recommend

  • Parvez

    I think that Sapan is just ringing the alarm bell to create an awareness of something that could go horribly wrong. If anything, that only shows concern.Recommend

  • http://www.skp.com Vishwaroopam

    if u r islamic state then why can’t we be hindu state, we are proud hindu.See the condition of all islamic states around the worldRecommend

  • vasan

    Stop comparing minorities in India and Pakistan. Definitely minorities in India are treated equally by law, constitution and govt. Some loose canon’s efforts like ghar vapasi etc does not lead to generalisation about India. How long such lose canons were shouting , may be 6 months. Compare that with how long ahmedias were killed in Pakistan, hindus were driven out etc etc.Recommend

  • Gp65

    The entire speech that Obama gave spoke about commonalities between India and USA and how they should be leveraged. One such commonality is that people from any religion and gender can reach the top in their chosen field.

    Congress interpretation that examples of one Sikh, Muslim and Christian were used to taunt Modi does Cleverly omits he fact that he also spoke about Kailash Satyarthi who is a Hindu. Why? Because it does not fit the narrative.

    If Obama had wanted to poke Modi, he would have used the example of MMS rather than Milkha Singh to describe a Sikh who reached the top. Also if Obama had felt the need to talk about respecting religious diversity and giving women equal opportunity to succeed, the ideal place would have been the next destination on his agenda – Saudi Arabia.Recommend

  • Hasan

    Y not become a people’s state ! Y brand an entire country of very diverse cultures and faiths with one religion ?Recommend

  • Hypocrisy?

    “what about, what about :” Do you have nothing else to couter with? Jinnah called for Direct action protest in order to counter Congress’ manouvers to prevent Pakistan from gaining independence. It became violent in Calcutta (a hindu-majority city) when tensions broke out. Do you hold Muslims accountable for the violence in which thousands of them died at the hands of Hindu thugs too? How heartless… Why not blame the Hindu parties too? Hypocrisy in the extreme is this not?

    Also:

    Subash Bose: The man who sided with trhe Japanese who were complicit in executing captured Indian POW’s

    Indian Army: You are proud of it and so is the entire nation of India, do I need to remind you of their excesses in Kashmir.

    Bhagat Singh: Are you aware of his killing of an innocent police officer and committing arson?

    You lose the right to call someone a villain when the above are your heroes.

    Everything you say can easily be turned against yourself…Recommend

  • Anwaar

    Man u r obsessed with Jinnah and Direct Action Day … :P .. anything new from ur side ? :PRecommend

  • Some Indians

    Some Indians jump at criticisms of Pakistan, yet are unable to stomach even a little of it themselves…Recommend

  • ab1990

    If u live in a diverse country country like india then u would have known what harmful effects diversity causes.

    when jinnah and gandhi didnt like to live with each other dont expect the common man to live peacefully with people who dont agree to his opinions,interests and faith.

    Minority religions are trying convert india. We have no interest especially in religions which dont originate in india.Recommend

  • Prashant

    I guess the Taliban killings are also nothing more than humour for you.Recommend

  • Hamidah Fawad

    If you want to be a Hindu state fine. But don’t be hypocrites, pretending to be a Secular state but practicing Hindu extremism. At least Pakistan is very clear about it’s identity unlike India – It is a Very Confused StateRecommend

  • Prashant

    ” Do you have nothing else to couter with? ”

    We will talk about Jinnah whenever you preach us peace and non violence, the reason is Pakistan was created after massive bloodshed, those people who blame the Hindus for the violence are living in denials, some of the statements of Jinnah while giving the call for direct action are as follows:

    1. To-day we have forged a pistol and are in a position to use it.

    2. We mean every word of it. We do not believe in equivocation.

    3. If you seek peace, we do not want War. But if you want War, we will accept it unhesitatingly.

    Sardar Abdur Rab Nishtar:

    Pakistan can only be achieved through shedding blood of ourselves, and if need be, and if opportunity arose, by shedding blood of others. Muslims are no believers in Ahimsa.

    I can quote multiple such comments made by Jinnah and other Muslim league leaders.

    “Subash Bose: The man who sided with trhe Japanese who were complicit in executing captured Indian POW’s”

    I have replied to this before,

    Subhash did not kill the captured Indian soldiers but yes the Japanese did, he took the help of Japan, a very brutal force but also an enemy of the British as the British were the bigger evil of the two for Subhash and many other Indians. Subhash died fighting for the freedom of his country and not killing his own to get a piece of it once the freedom had been gotten.

    “Bhagat Singh: Are you aware of his killing of an innocent police officer and committing arson?”

    Bhagat Singh was hanged by the British for fighting them but the followers of those who did not spend a single day in Jail are now trying to prove him a terrorist.

    ET, the last time I wrote about Jinnah’s comments on direct action, you did not post, I am hoping this time it will go through. Thanks.Recommend

  • Prashant

    “Your ending quote makes no sense. In your hatred of Pakistan you may call our founders villains but do not expect us to listen to your bias with open ears.”

    The point is very simple, you attack Modi because you believe him to be a killer, my question is why is the architect of direct action your Quaid if you are such a peace loving nation?

    “I believe I have mentioned this before”

    Yes you have and I responded too.

    Also, I am not trying to influence your opinion of your heroes, I am just responding to an allegation made on India and Indian leaders.Recommend

  • Prashant

    I am fine with that but I do not see a single blog of him which talks of anything else other than Modi and Hindutva. He is pretty one dimensional in his writing.

    If you go by his logic, the idea of India is not even about to vanish but it has already vanished.Recommend

  • Prashant

    Modi was not born a Pakistani, he is born an Indian and has been elected to power by the Indians and despite that I see massive disappointment among Pakistanis for modi being elected as the PM of India, we have a right to respond to that by talking about Jinnah.Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    not just a hindu state but rather an extremist hindu state. Modi should reign in the extremists if he is sincere. India is fast becoming a state with the same level of intolerance for others as Saudi Arabia and ISIS controlled areas. So sad to see this moral declineRecommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    From the past history of your comments it appears as if your view is that all problems were created by jinnah
    What went wrong with India………….Jinnah
    What went wrong with Titanic…………Jinnah
    What went wrong with The Challenger…..JinnahRecommend

  • Prashant

    What a rebuttal.Recommend

  • ab1990

    we dont need any lecture from pakistanis on secularism or hypocrisy. Your country is the last one on earth that should open its mouth.

    Hypocrites are those who take money from usa on one hand and hide terrorrists like bin laden on other hand.Recommend

  • Arshad Khan

    I am not comparing. The simple fact is that both India and Pakistan have failed in protecting their helpless minorities. The difference is only in the quantity and quality of protection and of offences committed In both countries. Fundamentally both countries by failing to bring the perpetrators of murders , rapes, etc committed during the partition are guilty of protecting the criminals who went scot free. Giving comments with a sting in the tail is wrong.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    I am questioning your double standards. Lets see how brave you are to face the issue head on. We have!Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    I am questioning the double standards.

    I don’t have a problem admitting Modi as a CM is directly responsible for the law and order situation, if Jinnah is held to the same yardstick for Direct Action day being the Muslim League President and the one who actually started Direct Action with “We shall divide India or destroy it”.
    Modi did not burn the Karseveks alive in the train which actually resulted in massive retaliation, not did he come on the street to kick of post-Godhra riots. Jinnah had kicked off Direct Action and called for “destruction of India”. Direct Action manifesto too is damning evidence.
    So, why is Jinnah a hero and Modi a villiain? What if Modi had called for Direct Action and Jinnah was CM of Gujarat?Recommend

  • Salim Alvi

    Secularism came about in the Europe as a response to clergy meddling in governance and demand for share of loot and plunder of colonized natives of distant land. Clergy was on firmer ground since the crooks & criminals who formed the elite (including East India Company) motivated the commoner to join the colonizing forces on the ground of grabbing land of “unbelievers” or Kaffirs, converting them or killing them. African slave trade also had religious sanction. So clergy was demand their pound of flesh. Secularism which India practices is imposed on it is by colonial forces so that minority goes on taking advantage of majority. To be secular and not hurt minority feelings young minds are not told the truth, the history of natives’s genocide, rapes, loot and plunder by alien rulers who professed organized Abrahamic religions. To appease minority Govt. of India collects taxes from Hindu temples and gives Rs. 6000 crore subsidy every year. Secularism keeps India divided and crooks or proxies for alien colonialist forces get to rule India with stealth.Recommend

  • L.

    HAHAHA!! Recommend

  • Hypocrisy?

    “my question is why is the architect of direct action”
    Similarly I have responded, direct action was a peaceful protest across India which would have remained peaceful if not for violence in Calcutta and its spiraling out of control.

    If Gandhi and Congress can wage civil disobedience why not Muslims and ML?Recommend

  • Hypocrisy?

    ” those people who blame the Hindus for the violence are living in denials”

    Who was responsible for the killing and looting of thousands of Muslims then? It is your stance that is delusional. Congress was refusing to create Pakistan even when the entire Muslim vote was against it. We had full right to protest.

    “Subhash died fighting for the freedom of his country”

    Freedom from the British and slavery under the Japanese and himself?
    ” His romantic saga, coupled with his
    defiant nationalism, has made Bose a near-mythic figure, not only in his native Bengal, but across India. It is this heroic, martial myth that is today remembered, rather than Bose’s wartime vision of a free India under the authoritarian rule of someone like himself.””

    ” are now trying to prove him a terrorist.”
    I never said he was a terrorist. Even some in Congress criticized him for using militant means.

    Bhagat Singh was hanged for murder just like Ilm-din. Nehru, Gandhi and Jinnah fought the British but they were not hanged.Recommend

  • Hypocrisy?

    If you are going to bring up the past then don’t complain when we bring up Gojra, Samjhota and other related incidents…Recommend

  • sridhar

    Ali,
    If India becomes a hindu state, it will be the best thing for minorities. As per hinduism, all religions are equal and legitimate ways of worship.
    IT is only the pseudoseculars who have separated out the muslims, christians as a vote block, and done nothing for the minorities. This kind of deception has meant that muslims still have not progressed under the congress (mis)rule.
    If you want to know what happens when an Islamic state (meant for muslims only) is formed, then you have to look no further than Pakistan where muslims are killing muslims.
    BTW, Obama was comparing the freedom enshrined in the Indian and American constitution. I, as an American, feel proud there is so much common between India and USA. Obama was highlighting the similarities.
    All Indians here are concerned about the fringe group getting bolder under BJP but then under Congress, much worse was happening and Indians feel they need a debate on various issues including religious conversion.
    India is a vibrant democracy where eveything is debated threadbare. So, it is something good that is happening.

    Pakistanis should not be teaching Indians about tolerance. Pakistanis have terrorists blowing up mosques, killing minorities regularly. The place is a hellhole for Shias, Ahmediyas, minorities.Recommend

  • Prashant

    Of course we will bring up the past as long as your country remains a safe heaven for people like Hafiz Saeed and Maulana Masood Azhar, name me an Indian fundamentalist or a terrorist who has gone to Pakistani soil to kill Pakistanis.

    You have a reputation in the world for your acts, rather than making efforts to change that reputation of yours, you want to continue on the same path while asking the rest of the world to shut their mouth, the world is not going to look the other way when their own interests and lives are at stake.Recommend

  • Anwaar

    oh no my friend u haven’t …Recommend

  • Roon

    The Muslim League called for peaceful protests on Direct Action day.

    Modi called for revenge against Muslims and encouraged the violence.

    There is no comparison.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

    I have countered you on this topic before and proven you wrong…Recommend

  • Prashant

    “Who was responsible for the killing and looting of thousands of Muslims then? It is your stance that is delusional. Congress was refusing to create Pakistan even when the entire Muslim vote was against it. We had full right to protest.”

    Do you think Muslims have a divine right to kill others when they believe their interests are not met, how do you expect the Hindus or anyone else to keep quiet when Muslims have killed them, would not there be a retaliation? It’s not whether Hindus and Muslims died or not, they did but who started it all by resorting to violence.

    You had a right to protest, not to resort to violence.

    “I never said he was a terrorist. Even some in Congress criticized him for using militant means.”

    Comparing Bhagat with Ilm-ud-Din is comparing apples and oranges, Bhagat fought for his country and not religion.

    “Gandhi and Jinnah fought the British but they were not hanged.”

    Jinnah’s fight against British must have been very unique for the reason that he did not have to spend a single day in Jail, I agree though that he did fight against the British especially when he was in Congress, Muslim league was more interested fighting its own.Recommend

  • Prashant

    So for you, the call for direct action and the subsequent massacre is the ML version of civil disobedience?

    Would you also tell me who started the riots in Calcutta, why did Suhrawardy say he had taken measures to restraint the police, what was his role during the riots in Calcutta which obviously were started by Muslims and was responded in kind later on by the Hindus.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    OK. Then educate me, why is Modi guilty, but not Jinnah.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Jinnah said on the day he called Direct Action “We shall divide India, or destroy it”. Very peaceful call indeed!

    You previously tried to cherry pick the Direct Action manifesto, ignoring the call for “Jehad”, “Battle” and what not.

    I quote from Direct Action manifesto by ML: “It was in Ramazan that the Battle of Badr the first open
    conflict between Islam and Heathenism was fought and won by 313 Muslims and again it was in
    Ramazan that 10,000 Muslims under the Holy Prophet conquered Mecca and established the
    kingdom of Heaven and the commonwealth of Islam in Arabia”

    You said Battle of Badr was non-violent and said Direct Action was meant to be like that. What a blatant lie. When I checked up on it, it was an actual battle! Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    A minority member was Sikh for 10 years. Modi too is from the Other Backward Castes.
    Are you saying Sikhs and Backward Castes are dominant groups in India?Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    I quote from the Direct Action manifesto:”this is a month of real Jehad..It was in Ramazan that the Battle of Badr the first open conflict between Islam and Heathenism was fought and won by 313 Muslims and again it was in Ramazan that 10,000 Muslims under the Holy Prophet conquered Mecca and established the kingdom of Heaven and the commonwealth of Islam in Arabia”

    http://www.leics.gov.uk/directactioncalcutta46.pdf

    How on Earth is this language peaceful?
    Jinnah said “We shall have India divided or destroyed” on the day he called Direct Action. So the word “destroy” actually means peaceful protest, eh?Recommend

  • Prashant

    Go and check some of the statements made by the Muslim league leaders on the eve of Direct action call. Also, we have no interest in Jinnah, we talk about the terrorists you have in your country who kill innocents all across the world to which the Pakistanis respond with Modi which leads us to talk about Jinnah.

    Being convinced of a baseless theory is proving yourself wrong and not others.

    India need not take lessons of ethics and peace from Pakistan and when I say this most people in the world would agree with me, can you say the same about Pakistan?Recommend

  • Hypocrisy?

    “who started it all by resorting to violence.”
    Calcutta was a Hindu majority city. Ask yourself why were Hindus not targeted in Punjab or Sindh when they were in minority there on direct action? It was held all over India.

    The answer is because violence would not have happened if Hindu groups had not started causing tensions.

    If you believe retaliation by Hindu thugs is justified then don’t complain when we retaliate further (such as in Nokhali) and things spiral out of control…Recommend

  • vasan

    Nobody is 100% perfect and so is no country. It is the legal systems and constitution we should talk about and not the lose canons. Provided ofcourse state does not support the lose canons. Partition was not India’s or Pakistani’s fault. Nobody expected such mass movement of people and two new countries had no wherewithal to do it properly, what matters now is what is happening inside Pakistan and what is happening inside India.Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    The cause of All your pain is one simple line. Instead of engaging in tiradish comments just keep it in your clipboard and the next time paste it in reply to my comments.

    “why is Jinnah a hero and Modi a villain?”

    I know you feel very sad that Modi is not respected as Jinnah and when Obama visits India he talks about Indian Hindutva extremism and insults India by arresting diplomats who then run off to India with their tails between their legs. But don’t worry, now that I have told you the remedy to all your pain you can keep the single line copied and save yourself from all the negative energy you create while expressing your intense disappointment at the fact that Modi is not a hero.Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    Why such a rash attitude? I mean Modi is reviled the world over and Jinnah was accepted as a Great Leader the world over. I think instead of asking Pakistan it will be better if you questioned Obama why he hates modi and likes Jinnah.
    You are like the fan who goes up to the guy who just beat his idol and asks “dude why does everybody like you so much”.”Why do they hate my idol?”. So instead of asking US, go ask the USA why they think of Modi as a petulant child and Jinnah as a world leaderRecommend

  • Hypocrisy?

    The ML claim that Surawrthy was in the riot room to get a better hold on the situation and prevent the riots. He was the one who initially sent for the army to be called in Calcutta!

    The Congress disagrees but in the absence of local translators the Brits do not actually know what occurred.Recommend

  • Roon

    We shall divide India, or destroy it”
    Peaceful does not mean that the rally wasn’t emotionally charged, there is no indication of any call to violence much to your dismay…Recommend

  • Roon

    It’s symbolism, ever heard of it? I really see nothing violent in the manifesto itself. Have you by any chance read the summary below? It only confirms what I say.Recommend

  • Jamor

    In what way will minorities be better off under a Hindu state.Hindus were once tolerant,but the BJP tactic of bringing religion into politics and use the majority as a vote bank has evolved into a climate of hate.Attacks against churches and false propaganda like love jihad against muslims.Plus the constant hate messages against Muslims and Christians,like the one from AB 1990 who states that he is not interested in imported religions.Well Mr AB 1990,Gautama Buddha is from Nepal and Buddhism is also imported.Mr AB1990,its your right not to be interested in religions that did not originate in India.But we are are Indians who happen to belong to one of the imported faiths.The constitution allows us to practice our faith.We all know how minorities like Shias, Ahmadiyas and Hindus are treated in Pakistan.Substitute Shias ,Ahmadiyas &Hindhus for Muslims and Christians and one can see that India is following in Pakistanis footsteps.Recommend

  • Jamor

    I have not seen any news of temples being vandalized by unknown persons.Idols being stolen is true>Care to share the source of your informationRecommend

  • Roon

    “Being convinced of a baseless theory is proving yourself wrong ”

    You aren’t even making sense anymore. If you do not like being lectured by Pakistani’s, refrain from using our sites.

    “people in the world would agree with me”
    Are you the world’s ambassador? The US recently gave Pak counter-terror funds and relations with Afghanistan are actually getting better with the new presidency. How can you say the world is on your side and not ours?Recommend

  • Anwaar

    I never said Jinnah was right in calling Direct Action Day … it was a huge mistake … but ppl make mistakes…. as far as Modi regime is concerned … we can all see how his ministers are acting since coming in power…..Recommend

  • Roon

    Also I said the the conquest of Makkah was non-violent not Badr…
    This proves you aren’t even reading my comments, what a waste of time talking to you is…Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    I’ve quoted the references to “Battle”. “Jehad”. You are actually so blind to claim the threat to “destroy” India is an “emotionally charged” call, but not a call for violence.

    Modi never gave any speech or came out to the street to encourage mobs, yet you consider him guilty. There is more evidence to make a case of Jinnah being directly responsible Direct Action(considering he called for it), than Modi for post-Godhra riots, which is a reaction of Hindu mobs reacting to dozens of Pilgrims being burnt alive in a train in Godhra, a Muslim majority town.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    But, you do agree “Battle of Badr” was a violent reference made in the Direct Action manifesto.
    Coupled with references to “Jehad”, the direction and the intention of the manifesto is obvious. You are refusing to connect the dots. Not my fault.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Modi should not be a hero. He is elected to be good administrator. Not a moral guiding light.

    Modi’s face will never be the face of Indian currency. Modi will never be called secular, creating confusion and endless debates.

    He reformed Gujarat, he is expected to do the same with India.
    Where in the world is Jinnah respected? Lessons of Gandhi are taught in most scools of the world. Nobody remembers the name Jinnah, his opponent. Even Malala talked of Gandhi in her UN speech. Why not Jinnah? Because people in the audience will not know who he is.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Can you tell me where in the world Jinnah is accepted over Gandhi, our true hero? I’ve never called Modi – my hero. I dont believe in Hero worship. I’ve never called him secular either. The day he stops performing, is the day I stop voting for him.

    Even Malala didn’t use Jinnah’s reference in her UN speech. She used Gandhi. Her speech writers knew that nobody will recognize the name Jinnah. I bet Obama before he was briefed of Pakistan didn’t even know of a JInnah, even though he has travelled to Pakistan in the past.

    I Googled “Statues of JInnah” and “Statues of Gandhi”. I found one statue of Jinnah in a university.

    http://yfile.news.yorku.ca/2007/02/02/york-statue-of-jinnah-called-a-%E2%80%98world-first%E2%80%99/

    But, there isn’t a free, secular, democratic nation on Earth which has not erected a statue of Gandhi to remember him and his ideals.

    http://gandhiworld.in/english/statues.php

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artistic_depictions_of_Mahatma_Gandhi

    So, buddy, step out of your delusions. “Jinnah was accepted as a Great Leader the world over”.. This is truly funny! I wonder if you were being sarcastic.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Jinnah’s deputy Liaquat Ali Khan was responsible for making Pakistan an Islamic State, even though there were 20% non-Muslims in Pak at the time. How are Modi’s colleagues different from Liaquat? Nobody in BJP is calling to change Constitution to make India a Hindu country, at least!

    Jinnah himself has said he wants Sharia to be the basis of the constitution of Pakistan. So, he wanted this to happen. Modi has never said such things. He has never called for violence against minorities too, which Direct Action manifesto calls for.

    Jinnah said: “I could not understand a section of people who deliberately wanted to create mischief and made a propaganda that the constitution of Pakistan would not be made on the basis of Shariat.”
    Sharia as the basis of Constitution. Isn’t this what Taliban want today?

    If Modi is guilty, don’t you think Jinnah is more guilty of even worse crimes?Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    I am sure when Hafiz Saeed calls for Jihad, it too its symbolsm too. A call for violence is a call for violence.
    I am not worried about subjecive interpretation. Like you saying earlier “destroy India” call is actually a peaceful call for congregation and protest.
    Also, if Jinnah is not guilty after all this, how is Modi? Modi was tried in a free court with a hostile media. Jinnah never faced justice or even a trial!Recommend

  • Prashant

    “Calcutta was a Hindu majority city. Ask yourself why were Hindus not targeted in Punjab or Sindh when they were in minority there on direct action? It was held all over India.”

    That is because Suhrawardy was not the CM of that state.

    “The answer is because violence would not have happened if Hindu groups had not started causing tensions.”

    How can you twist history to such lengths, it is a proven fact that the Muslims after the rally was over at Maidan started looting and killing Hindus and by evening the Hindus and Sikhs responded. Suhrawardy had to ask the Army to intervene because as you say Calcutta was Hindu majority.

    Noakhali is a place where Hindus were forced to convert, their women raped and men hacked to death, it was all started by Muslims and when they got it back in Calcutta, they responded in Noakholi which led to the riots in Bihar. Direct action was not meant to be peaceful, it was meant to kill minority Hindus in a majority Muslim state.Recommend

  • Prashant

    “You aren’t even making sense anymore. If you do not like being lectured by Pakistani’s, refrain from using our sites.”

    Thank you for your advise.

    There are provocative statements made by Muslim League on the eve of direct action day but that is still not provoking people but you would want Indians to believe Modi is a killer.Recommend