A separate state for Kashmiri Pandits is not the way forward

Published: January 22, 2015
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The ethnic cleansing of the Kashmiri Pandits clearly indicated at the failure of the Indian state to provide adequate security to the community. PHOTO: REUTERS

On January 19, 2015, the Hindu community of the Kashmiri Pandits completed 25 years of exile. Following the outbreak of Islamist insurgency in Kashmir during the late 1980s, Kashmiri Pandits started finding themselves at the receiving end of a mindless wave of violence unleashed by terrorist groups. The mass exodus of the Kashmiri Pandits from the valley began on the night of January 19, 1990, as the valley reverberated with slogans of “azaadi”, “nizam-e-mustafa” and “la ilaha illallah”.

Militant outfits like the Hizbul Mujahideen had issued open threats to the Kashmiri Pandits to leave Kashmir. Those who managed to escape the violence and migrate to the Jammu region have lived to tell tales of how the mosques’ loudspeakers were used to intimidate the Pandits. Various derogatory slogans were chanted, urging the Kashmiri Pandit men to leave.

The ethnic cleansing of the Pandits clearly indicated the failure of the Indian state to provide adequate security to the community. Thousands migrated via the use of private transport in order to escape the wrath of the militants, whilst others, instead of being protected and guarded, were pushed to move out of the Kashmir valley by Governor Jagmohan. The government failed to prevent the persecution of a people who held allegiance to India close to their hearts.

In his book, ‘Our Moon has Blood Clots’, renowned Kashmiri Pandit author, Rahul Pandita, spoke about the gross injustice meted out to the Pandits. Whilst writing for Open Magazine, Pandita mentioned that nearly 32,000 houses belonging to the Kashmiri Pandits have been burnt down since 1991.

While it is difficult to state statistically the scale of the tragedy, as per Amnesty International an estimated 150,000 to 200,000 Kashmiri Pandits left the valley after repeated threats from terrorist groups. In 2010, the state government of Jammu and Kashmir said that 219 Kashmiri Pandits have been killed by militants since 1989 but the figure was disputed by an organisation named the Kashmiri Pandit Sangharsh Samiti whose survey claimed that the death toll stood at 399. Some organisations have gone to the extent of claiming that thousands were butchered and mutilated. Hence, the real scale of the tragedy is unclear.

Now, 25 years have passed since the exodus began but no one has really stood up for the Pandits. The Indian National Congress (INC), which positions itself as the epitome of secularism in Indian politics, has never taken up their cause as vigorously as it should have. Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has talked about Pandits quite often but has failed to move beyond rhetoric. It appears that the Hindu nationalist BJP views them merely as a vote bank because BJP’s track record in this matter is something not to be proud of.

Both the parties have headed coalitions at the centre and led national governments since the exodus happened but none could reverse the ground situation or ensure the resettlement of the Kashmiri Pandits in the valley. The regional parties in the state of Jammu and Kashmir, namely the INC and the People’s Democratic Party (PDP), have exchanged power in the state several times but have never gone beyond making ceremonial gestures towards the Pandits.

The so-called mass leaders of Kashmir, who hold protests and rallies regularly when human rights abuses are carried out by the Indian army, have never really dissented with the same zeal for the human rights of the Kashmiri Pandits.

In the last few years, how many angry protests have we seen in Kashmir demanding the resettlement of the Kashmiri Pandits in the valley?

The answer is obviously disappointing.

Why is it that the state of Pakistan, which has repeatedly raised the issue of Kashmir at the United Nations, never spoken in favour of the Kashmiri Pandits?

Are they not Kashmiris? Why this selective discrimination?

President Musharraf could see the carnage against Muslims in Gujarat but not the communal violence of which the Pandits became victims.

Let us stop this hypocrisy.

It is high time that the Indian state woke up from its slumber and gave justice to the Kashmiri Pandits. They have been wronged for too long. Though the community has rebuilt itself through tireless hard work, it requires the active support of Indians from all classes, communities and regions.

On the 25th anniversary of the exodus, Arnab Goswami’s hyper nationalist programme, The Newshour aired on Times Now, abruptly ended a debate on Kashmiri Pandits to relay BJP President Amit Shah’s press conference live in which he would go on to name Kiran Bedi as his party’s chief ministerial candidate for the Delhi elections.

The channel’s news selection reflected the lack of importance attributed to the cause of the Kashmiri Pandits. Though social media has enabled their cause to be taken up in a big way, this issue needs to make it to the front page of newspapers and generate nationwide empathy and support for the Pandits. We cannot afford to let it slip away.

There is a need for the government to initiate confidence building measures between the community of the Kashmiri Pandits and the Kashmiri Muslims. The spirit of Kashmiriyat or the composite culture of the place cannot be restored unless the Pandits are resettled in the valley.

But the real question is whether the two communities trust each other.

Will the Kashmiri Pandits be willing to go back to the same neighbourhood, and will the Kashmiri Muslims welcome them with open arms?

We need to realise that the road to reconciliation lies in integration and not segregation. This is the reason it would be unwise to support those who ask for a separate homeland for Kashmiri Pandits in the name of Panun Kashmir. The partition of India failed to resolve communal problems. From time to time, different religious communities have been persecuted on both the sides of the border. Hence, there is a dire need to stop resorting to segregation and aspire for integration.

As Kashmiri Pandits await justice, we must rise up to the occasion and put a stop to this indifference.

Saif Ahmad Khan

Saif Ahmad Khan

The writer is pursuing an MA in Convergent Journalism from the AJK Mass Communication Research Centre, Jamia Millia Islamia. He has published several opinion pieces, news reports and letters for various news websites and newspapers. He tweets @SaifAKhan (twitter.com/saifakhan)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Critical

    Oops…you accidentally sent your blog to the wrong newspaper and they accidentally published it…

    Kashmiri Pundits are a myth propagated by the RSS and Modi…They are actually those Kashmiri muslims who were forced to convert to Hinduism at swordpoint… They have no historical links to Kashmir.. In fact ,Kashmir was formed in 7th century when the first muslim settled there….

    The enactment of AFPSA wasnt because muslim extremists pushed Kashmiri pandits,it was because Indian govt got bored and decided to play “Cowboys vs Kashmiris” one fine day…

    Being an Indian muslim,you have written about oppressed Hindus which is totally wrong because everyone in Pakistan knows that only muslims are oppressed in India and they are still languishing in front of Pakistan embassy to get an asylumRecommend

  • KashmiriMuslim

    Hey Sir Good article…..with facts…

    The ethnic cleansing of the Pandits clearly indicated the failure of the
    Indian state to provide adequate security to the community. Thousands
    migrated via the use of private transport in order to escape the wrath
    of the militants, whilst others, instead of being protected and guarded,
    were pushed to move out of the Kashmir valley by Governor Jagmohan.

    Had the kashmiri pandit not migrated they would have either got killed or their daughters would have been raped.Sir,Militancy was at its peak with pakistan fuelling it mixing it with relgion.

    Sir,Today kashmir is the only state in India where there are no cinema halls..Its the only state in India where kashmiri is only spoken but is not taught..why this is so…answer is relegious fanatism and moreover sir,being practical nobody in the world today would want another muslim country or any country that may become a buffer state in south asia…If kashmir becomes a new country it wont survive and if it comes in pakistan juridiction than it will be a KHUD KHUSHI…Let the status quo be maintained..

    ET..Please publish..I have written nothing derogatory or against anyone..I just presented facts….

    Regards
    Ashraf muhammad wani
    Bandipora
    Jammu and Kashmir,IndiaRecommend

  • LaladiJaan

    I dont want a peshawar in kashmir….Let us kashmiris leave peacefully with India….Recommend

  • Salman Shareef

    What a Joke! Why not Kashmiris Pandits go back ? Did Innocent Kashmiris Muslims leave Kashmirs because of the cruelties of Terrorist Indian Army. So what the problem with these pandits.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Excellent blog. Thank you for writing it.
    This has been my point all this time: The insurgency in Kashmir is Islamist in character. The Pakistanis are supporting Islamists in Kashmir, but are fighting them in their own land. How hypocritical!
    Pandits are economically more powerful now, their numbers are small. They brought balance and tolerance to the Kashmir culture, but after their departure, we have seen how the valley has regressed. We have seen how Kashmiri youth are taking out rallies in favour of IS. How burqa clad gangs have shut down enterprises for being un-Islamic.
    Kashmir is going the way of Pakistan and it can only be stopped by non-Muslim Kashmiris.
    My question to Pakistanis: Why support Taliban in Kashmir, but oppose them in Pakistan?Recommend

  • Vish

    Author is right. No need for Jinnah’s two nation theory.Recommend

  • Sid

    First Pakistani ever to show any concern for Kashmiri Pundits. Thank you. most of teh Pakistanis are completely oblivious to the facts you presented about how muslim militants forced pundits out to make Kashmir look like muslim majority and trying to make it ideal for plebiscite.
    These militants will never allow Pundits to come back to tilt the balance back in India’s favor. Thats the truth.Recommend

  • Prashant

    A good piece of writing but some of the facts the author has missed out on:

    1. The Pundits were not just killed by the militants but their very neighbours with whom they lived for generations.

    2. There are people who call the pundits cowards for leaving the valley but what would you do when loudspeakers which in general are used at the time of Azaan are used to ask the pundit men to leave the valley and leave their womenfolk behind.

    3. INC would not speak for the pundits because they have anathema towards anything which has to do with Hindus, the BJP has only paid lip service until now to the pundit cause but even that is seldom found among the Indian polity and hence the support you see among the pundits for BJP.

    Justice to Kashmiri pundits is due from the Kashmiri Muslims and not from the Indian state which has had a tough time controlling the situation since 1989.

    Let us at the same time not forget the thousands of Kashmiris especially Muslims who despite having nothing to do with any of the concerned parties have lost their lives.Recommend

  • Rahul

    Great Article! exposes the hypocrisy of all the political leaders.Recommend

  • vinsin

    What about Pakistani minorities who are down from 25% to 5%? Do Pakistani government talk about them? Most of the pakistani dont even want those minorities also and wonder why they are still here?

    Kashmiri Pandits are also down from 22% to 4%. Indian Constitution doesn’t allow interference into Kashmir as it is not integrated by article 370. BJP or any other government cannot do any thing. After ethnic cleansing you want Kashmiri Pandits to trust valley Muslims. Just like Pakistan, Kashmir valley throwing Kashmiri Muslims starts fighting among themselves between shia and sunni.

    Partition of India failed to resolved communal problem because Indian Muslims never moved to Pakistan baring 28% much below than the minimum expectation of 80-90%. It was the only partition in the known history where people voted, fought and created a new country but never moved.Recommend

  • Patriot

    First the Kashmiri Pandits should get back their lands, homes and orchards. Will an Islamist like Geelani permit this? Second, they should be permitted to live in peace and security. This means that they have to live within secure communities. Third, their holy places and temples should be freed of encroachment and deities reinstalled. Does the Muslim community have the heart and the vision to allow this? Else, all these crocodile tears are a sham, a presence of empathy.
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  • wb

    Those who say that Kashmir Issue is political, have been brainwashed.

    Kashmir issue has always been about Islam. Muslims have learnt over 1400 years ago that Islam must be established across the world and Muslims have been striving for that for the last 1400 years.

    Understand that the influence of Sufi Islam is only very little. People also say Kashmir had the influence of Sufi peaceful Muslims. Maybe a little.

    “leave home and leave your women” were the slogans used to intimidate Pundits. Is this the peaceful Sufi Islam?

    Kashmiri pundits have narrated the stories of how they were threatened with no uncertain words. Clearly threatening to get killed.

    Indians must understand that Kashmir is the first step of establishing political Islam on non-Muslims of the subcontinent. This is not paranoia, this is not fear-psychosis. This is the truth written by white skinned Christiane Fair and acknowledged by none other than Hussain Haqqani (the traitor) himself.

    Even if Kashmir becomes a part of Pakistan, there will be more wars and harm coming from the Islamic republic of Pakistan directed at the non-Muslims of India.

    If I can twist Hameed Gul’s words for Pakistan: 1947 bahana tha, Kashmir thikana hai, Hindustan nishana hai.

    With Modi there’s a glimmer of hope. Modi must live up to his words and must repatriate Pundits at all (repeat, ALL) costs. Even if it means a little bit of bloodshed.

    If not, I can assure you that he will be losing the next elections.Recommend

  • wb

    Good writing.

    Just a note: Arnab Goswami is not hyper nationalist. He’s just a noisy fella. Please don’t take him seriously. We don’t.Recommend

  • SafeNation

    Ashok Pandit should have shut up and let others get a chance to express their views as well. Arnab Goswami has fallen so far deep into arrogance that he can no longer be expected to extricate himself from his despicable behavior. All he could do was shout and make a fool of himself by repeatedly putting words in the mouth of the guest in white. Why invite a person to debate if one can’t allow sufficient time for the individual to clarify his/her position?Recommend

  • Nandita.

    And an Indian Muslim writes this piece! Awesome. This is why I have faith in the muslim community of India. There’s a difference between Indians and the rest of our neighbourhood.
    Hope “wb” has read the blog.
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  • UtkarshSinghNain

    This is actually a good piece, and comes from an unexpected source. Nice!Recommend

  • BlackJack

    It is amazing how Pakistanis who pull out the two-nation theory and the necessity of partition at the drop of a hat are unwilling to even countenance the same when the shoe is on the other foot. (I am not saying that Pandits should get a separate state, although I would welcome bringing Jammu and Ladakh out from under the thumbs of shrill Valley politicians). That said, a level headed piece that stays clear of the usual rhetoric and fuzzy logic of Kashmiri blogs, so kudos. Indeed, the Pandits need to be brought back to their homeland and reintegrated; If J&K prospers, Kashmiriyat (which is actually no different from Indianness) will automatically flourish.Recommend

  • sharabi

    Kashmiri Pundits are solely responsible for what happened to them. Gandhi Nehru Philosophy & Poor concept of AHIMSA is root cause of their persecution.
    Who stopped them to fight for their Family,Home, Property & their freedom.
    Why they didn’t choose to take Arms? Philistine people are doing the same.
    Say whatever you want but nobody cares for you until you are ready to protect your right.
    Study ISLAM & you will understand the true beauty of ISLAM “you can not tolerate anything wrong, Injustice & torment. You have right to defend yourself & poor people against any injustice.Recommend

  • Queen

    “Why is it that the state of Pakistan, which has repeatedly raised the issue of Kashmir at the United Nations, never spoken in favour of the Kashmiri Pandits?
    Are they not Kashmiris? Why this selective discrimination?
    President Musharraf could see the carnage against Muslims in Gujarat
    but not the communal violence of which the Pandits became victims.”

    I guess the author is unaware that Jammu and Kashmir is occupied by Indian Government and it controls region’s affairs through army troops. Even though the Indian Government has always criticized Pakistan for raising the issue of Kashmir on international forums but Pakistan has been raising the issue at all levels and unlike India, Pakistan has called for giving the right to self determination to the people of Kashmir. Indian Government, on the other hand, calls this an interference in India’s affairs. The question should be asked to the Indian Government that if it is so willing to consider Kashmir as its ‘atoot ang’ then why has it not done anything for the Kashmiri Pandits?Recommend

  • vasan

    The author is rightRecommend

  • Vip

    Indian politicians have only interest in voters, not human beings. So, if the group or community have not bigger voting power, no one bother hem.Recommend

  • Jor El

    Thousands of people came out in the streets, assembled in a mosque and started shouting slogans against us. One of which is very prominent and I would like to quote it as I always do to make understand the readers what we went through. It was a slogan in Kashmiri which went like this: ‘Assi gacchi panunuy Pakistan, batav rostuy, batanien saan (We want our Pakistan without Pandit men but with their women).’ This episode frightened us a lot.

    http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-no-everlasting-peace-in-jk-without-kashmiri-pandits/20140512.htm#1

    Es mas grande problemo, senor …Recommend

  • wb

    “There’s a difference between Indians and the rest of our neighbourhood.”

    Lamest tautology ever heard.

    Invoke me only when you have something substantial to say.Recommend

  • Jasvinder Singh Marwaha

    Do we want them to be refugees again? Kashmir problem has to be settled in different way- possibly we should learn from Pakistan actions in Azad Kashmir.Recommend

  • Nandita.

    The author is an Indian , not a Pakistani.Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    I am neither a Kashmiri Pandit nor a Kashmiri Muslim . But still thanks for writing this . The KP issue has only been put in back-burner for political reasons. BJP- uses their plight for Hindu Nationalism . Congress won’t solve it – as it has never anything beyond being opportunistic . The Indian Liberal Left like CPM ,left intellectuals , who are seen as crusaders for the exploited & marginalised , do not want to aggiate for them as KPs are Hindus (Majority) & agitating for them would mean sharing dais with Hindu communalists ,blemishing their “secular” credentials.
    Elite Secular Indians like Arundhati Roy should know that their coldness towards KPs , only creates a vacuum which is filled by Hindutvavadis , who further radicalize sections of KPs & use their plight for furthering Hindu Nationalism.Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    ##Kashmir is going the way of Pakistan and it can only be stopped by non-Muslim Kashmiris. ###
    No . It can only be stopped by Secular Kashmiri Muslims. Just as Hindutva can be only stopped by Secular Indian Hindus (not ex-Hindu Leftists but we Hindus).Recommend

  • Muslim

    {Paranoia about Muslims and Islam}the postRecommend

  • Rana Eddy

    People like the author are not just a thrashing to “wb” -type Hindutva apologists but also so-called Secular-Liberal Pakistanis like Pitafi or Tariq Mahmud tooRecommend

  • Rana Eddy

    Kashmir issue is a political one . Islam began to be mixed only to give air to the existing political conflagration in Kashmir by Pakistani Army & Media (yes it too was involved & majority sections of Pakistani Urdu & even English media still uses Islam to deepen communalism in Pakistan) to tilt the issue in Pakistan’s favours , with the aide of Hurriyat. But yes it is Political problem & as an Indian I would say Kashmir deserves plebiscite (If Kashmiris want to be with India then they would choose it or else not).
    Do not forget that KMs are our Civilizational brothers as much as KPs are.
    It is true we should reject the Secular Opportunists like Arundhati Roy (known for selective secularism) but also we must reject Hindutva too—- if we are non-Communal Hindus.Recommend

  • Nandita.

    People like yourself are provoked , not invoked. :D
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  • Rana Eddy

    ###Kashmiri Pandits are also down from 22% to 4%.###
    That is a lie vinsin KPs were never beyond 4% or so . Even the Indian census 1901 , tells us that it was not beyond that mark. Majority of Kashmiris had converted way back in 1300s , KPs percentage therefore could never have been beyond that mark . Moreover the KPs are Brahmins ,Brahmins are never that %age anywhere.

    Yes the mystery of how West Pakistani Hindus who constituted 10-15% dwindled to 1-2% . As no Indian Secularist wants to touch that issue for obvious reasons (that their Secularism will be tarnished ), & till the time the Liberal Pakistanis are under “identity-seige” so they cannot denounce Muslim Communalism for non-Muslim ppls & call spade-a-spade. In fact the “myth” that Jinnah was secular (just bcz he was not conservative & had given a unique speech on 11 August) is perpetuated by the latter bcz of their mental-seige ,despite being liberals.Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    The way you think is called the Communal Thought-process to dodge serious questions . Period.Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    He is not a Pakistani , plz go & check the intro about him. He is an IndianRecommend

  • Queen

    So far, it has been the Indian Government which has ‘dodged serious questions’ raised by Pakistan on Kashmir.Recommend

  • Alansaralhaq

    What a lie..

    Bring back pandits and UN can facilitate the real displaced and the fraudulent but also bring back 1 million plus muslim Kashmiris displaced since 1948 and a further 1 million displaced since the illegal Dogra Rule… fair isn’t it. I THINK SO.Recommend

  • Jor El

    Buddy, this guy is as indian as one can get …Recommend

  • Gul Zaman Ghorghast

    Er…in your troll zeal you missed something. The author is
    a Kashmiri Muslim. Besides the hindu Pandits will not be happy
    in a Muslim Kashmir. Better they go to Nagpur, Poona and other
    points south. They will be much happy among fellow hindus.Recommend

  • Jor El

    “The question should be asked to the Indian Government that if it is so
    willing to consider Kashmir as its ‘atoot ang’ then why has it not done
    anything for the Kashmiri Pandits?”
    As per article 370, GoI cant do it … it has to be done by the State govt. of J&K …

    P.S. “I guess the author is unaware that Jammu and Kashmir is occupied by
    Indian Government and it controls region’s affairs through army troops.”
    The author is more than aware that “occupied” Jammu and Kashmir is a state of India n how u view it isn’t of any concern to India …Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    Pakistan never asked a question , it has only asserted that “Kashmir banega Pakistan” . No doubt Kashmir Valley must be allowed to secede , but not Jammu & Ladakh.Recommend

  • wb

    Again, come back when you have something worthy of me.Recommend

  • wb

    Actually it isn’t.

    Kashmir Issue has always been religious.

    Kashmir issue is a byproduct of 1947, which itself is a religious issue.Recommend

  • wb

    Then let’s bring back all those Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists who have been displaced from Kashmir since the invasion by Muslims for a 1000 years.Recommend

  • wb

    Hindutva needs no apology for it is the right ideology. So, there are no Hindutva apologists in the world, but only proponents.

    Also, I’m not a proponent of Hindutva.

    I’m always apposed to the Islamofascism and Political Islam which has been in practice in this world for the last 1400 years ago which has resulted in the maximum bloodshed in the history of the world.

    And I’ve welcomed this author. Read my comment below.
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  • wb

    Only an irrational zealot can support plebiscite in a state where 60 years ethnic cleansing of Hindus, Sikhs and other non-muslims has been happening.Recommend

  • Prashant

    “Besides the hindu Pandits will not be happyin a Muslim Kashmir.”

    It is people like you who cry foul going to countries like France and protesting the ban on wearing the veil, double standards seems to be a born right for people like you.Recommend

  • Prashant

    You term killing people across the border as asking questions?Recommend

  • wb

    How hypocritical of you that you have to proclaim your identity when appreciating something that is just and valid.

    This is also an indicator that you’ve a certain fissure in your identity somewhere which is forcing you to proclaim who you’re NOT several times just to appreciate something that is right by common sense.Recommend

  • wb

    Kashmir Valley will not be allowed to secede. However, the government must make arrangements in legislature for all the Muslims of the valley to leave for Kashmir after taking a fair amount of money for their assets in the valley.Recommend

  • Prashant

    “Did Innocent Kashmiris Muslims leave Kashmirs because of the cruelties of Terrorist Indian Army. ”

    May be you should ask this question to the IDP’s, why did they leave their villages and towns, which army was operating there?

    A human is not a human unless he also happens to be a Muslim, the Taliban has taken it to the next level, a Muslim is not a Muslim unless he adheres to a particular version of your faith, the question is do you qualify to be a good Muslim by the standards set by the Taliban, I can see you are trying hard though.Recommend

  • Jor El

    Buddy, am not the one saying it … Rahul Pandita, a displaced KP said it … If u have any issues, u r more than welcome to take it up with him … here is his twitter: https://twitter.com/rahulpandita
    Regarding what u think is fair or not isn’t my concern … u r fromRecommend

  • koshur_batta

    as per your principle, shouldn’t the same hold true for muslims in India then? They should all goto Pakistan, including Kashmiri muslims. Kashmir for over 3000 years has had hindu temples, even before the onset of islam. This is coming from a kashmiri pandit btw.Recommend

  • koshur_batta

    you being sarcastic right?Recommend

  • Faulitics

    Muslim Kashmiris will not be happy in a secular kashmir. They should go to Islamic Pakistan which was created just for people like them. They would love to have others as second class citizens.Recommend

  • koshur_batta

    dogra rule was unfair but aurengzeb rule was fair eh?Recommend

  • BlackJack

    My mistake – only saw the AJK. Apologies, then only the second half of the comment holds. Indian Muslims naturally do not support the 2-nation theory, else they would have left for their promised land long back.Recommend

  • Critical

    Still so many Muslims are intolerable towards non-muslims…whether its Hindu,Buddhists,Christians,Jews,animist….

    Why should we learn Islam to understand you..the proof is in the pudding…Your actions show how intolerant and insecure you are towards others…..

    Tomorrow a Nazi-apoligist will tell me to learn Nazism or read Mein Kempf…But I dont have the patience to understand the reason why you guys get so worked up when I need to protect me and my societyRecommend

  • Critical

    Also,Pakistan need to take back the 3 million Punjabi muslims whom they migrated between 1948 to 1960s to change the indigenous population of Pakistan occupied Kashmir….Recommend

  • Nandita.

    Unfortunately, you’re definition of “substantial”is very skewed.
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  • Nandita.

    Your*Recommend

  • hp kumar

    Secular Kashmiri muslims…where did it come from?Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    There is not a single society in the world where Muslims have been in majority and embraced secularism. Turkey used to one great example, but not anymore. Out of 57 Muslim majority countries, not a single example. India and HIndus on the other hand declared India to be a Secular Republic and equal rights to all, right after Partition when it could have easily called itself a Hindu state.

    Hindutva, by definition, doesn’t mean less Secularism. It means to uphold the culture of India, culture of the land, above all else. This also included Sikhism, Jainism and Buddhism. Every society, including the West, is trying to preserve the values which it considers sacred, India is no different.

    We cannot have separate laws for Muslims and call ourselves Secular.

    Hinduism is not a Religion in the same way Islam or Christianity is, which our Constitution reflects.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Why plebiscite when we have elections? Is anybody stopping Hurriat or anyone else to contest elections and prove their numbers? This is what happened in Scotland where elected representatives demanded plebscite.

    Let the elected representatives of Kashmir demand it, not people who only claim they speak for the Kashmiris.

    We have a system, a Constitution, its not something which can be messed around with.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    So, you agree Kashmir Seperatism is just Islamism?
    If so, why are you supporting Taliban in Kashmir, but not in Pakistan?Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    As we have seen elsewhere around the world Muslims have violently driven out a peaceful minority.
    Instead of asking the violent to become peaceful, you are calling Pandits to become more violent!
    Explains the situation of Pak perfectly.Recommend

  • Meshuga

    Their Hindu ancestors founded Kashmir. Why should they leave their “janm bhoomi”?Recommend

  • wb

    @ Pakistanis and Indians

    Please visit youtube and search for the phrase:

    Talk by C. Christine Fair on Pakistan Army

    Watch the video.

    Please note that the video was published after I wrote my comment below, which was also based on her own book’s analysis.

    See exactly what are Pakistan’s intentions are.

    Those who say that Kashmir is a political issue are absolutely wrong. Kashmir is the stage on which Pakistan wants to Islamise India. Of course, it will not happen. That’s not the point.

    But this evil intention will only result in many more wars and skirmishes. So, don’t for a second, think that if Kashmir becomes Pakistan, or if Kashmir issue is solved all the problems with Pakistan will go away.

    In fact, I would say the opposite. The day Kashmir issue gets resolved, there will be more hostility and more support for others in India. There will be more IM like organizations.Recommend

  • raju

    Brilliant words young man! You’re the future that Kashmir wants and deservesRecommend

  • Jor El

    Buddy, I ddnt say this, a displaced KP, Rahul Pandita is saying it … if u have any issues then i suggest u take it up with him … here is his twitter: https://twitter.com/rahulpandita
    Regarding what u this is fair or unfair is neither india’s concern nor its priority …Recommend

  • Jor El

    U think india really cares about pakistan’s “serious questions” on kashmir or its “principled” stand …Recommend

  • Milind A

    “Why is it that the state of Pakistan, which has repeatedly raised the issue of Kashmir at the United Nations, never spoken in favour of the Kashmiri Pandits?”

    It would be too much to expect Pakistan to speak for Kashmiri Pandits, given its inability & incompetence in protecting its own minorities or even Islamic sects differing from mainstream Islam.

    However this is a good piece…Recommend

  • Milind A

    Why should the Hindu Pandits go to Nagpur, Poona? Its you the Muslims who should go back to Arabia, where you came from… Kashmir was Shardapeeth with a 5000 year old history, before you came and ruined it.Recommend

  • Queen

    Kindly tell me why has the Indian Government always asked Pakistan to put Kashmir on back burner during bilateral talks between the two countries. The Indian Government must be aware of the fact that the Kashmir issue hampers peaceful relations between Pakistan and India and increases threat level in the region for other countries yet India has always refused to follow UN resolutions to be implemented in Kashmir. India does not even allow the UNMOGIP on its side of the border. All these steps are nothing but an attempt to derail the efforts which are required to find out a peaceful solution to the Kashmir issue.Recommend

  • Queen

    That is the point Mr El. India, which aspires to become a regional power, has failed to understand that being a part of the international community, it needs to follow democratic norms and principles which include addressing the reservations of regional and neighboring countries. However, if you still think that India should not ‘care’ about Pakistan’s reservations on Kashmir then I would say that India should also not express reservations when Pakistan makes efforts to improve relations with other regional countries.Recommend

  • Queen

    What is the proof that Pakistan is ‘supporting’ the Taliban in Kashmir? Kindly don’t google out information from Indian sources to prove your claim as it will only be a wastage of your time. And yes don’t try to twist my comment to suit your point of view. If you read my comment again, it will become clear that I have not mentioned anything about separatism and Islamism.Recommend

  • Nandita.

    Yeah, I guessed you hadn’t seen the Jamia Millia bit.
    You don’t have to apologise to me, BlackJack-I am on your side. :)Recommend

  • wb

    Then look up Oxford. But before that look up the word ‘skewed’. :)Recommend

  • Nandita.

    I won’t ask you to look up the dictionary, because a dictionary will only teach you the meaning of words, it won’t correct your flawed world view and logic, unfortunately.Recommend

  • Queen

    The failure to implement UN resolutions in Kashmir is an attempt to derail the efforts being made to maintain peace and stability in the region.Recommend

  • Hoshang Ansari

    Look at the hindus trolls praising each other
    Holding a tete a tete, to boot.Recommend

  • LS

    lol, good job.Recommend

  • Jor El

    Putting aside ur lack of knowledge on UNSC resolutions on Kashmir, u haven’t answered my question …Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    Not to rain on your Parade but there is a huge number of Pundits killed off by the Kashmiri residents.Recommend

  • LS

    Your country’s view on Kashmir are irrelevant.
    You are so quick to remind others about Gujarat,
    1) What about “Direct Action Day” where more than 15000 people were killed in Bengal and rest of India and Majority being Hindus?
    2) What about mass murder and conversions of the whole regions that is today Afghanistan, Pakistan?
    3) What about 92% violence instigate in India by Muslims including Gujarat when 58 people were burnt Alive in the train?
    4) What about daily carnage of minorities in all Muslim countries and esp Pakistan?

    So before you talk about Gujarat next time remember all the above and know what is your role in Kashmir and why you continue to fire at the border to push these Terrorists our way…Recommend

  • Nandita.

    That is what hindu trolls do. Didn’t you know? But isn’t what we do so much better than sailing across the arabian sea, into your land to gun down your fellow countrymen?
    Btw, I think BlackJack is one of the smartest men I’ve come across and I admire him a lot.
    I would so love to see your reaction to my praise of BlackJack. Haha!
    You can’t bear it, can you? Recommend

  • LS

    You have no right on Kashmir, what is your country’s stand? which keeps shifting like a shape-shifter and opportunist land grab party

    1) 1947/1948: It was lets go and grab Kashmir before the ruler decides to go India way despite the stand-still agreement your government signed with Kashmir, and in process killed many Kashmiri’s themselves for whom you are vociferously standing for.
    2) 1965: It was hey looks like there are lot of Muslims in Kashmir and we think they will side with us so lets send the Mujaheddin there and grab Kashmir. You stopped only because we breached International border.
    3) 1989: Oh man, Kashmiri’s looks like are asking for some rights in India, lets arm them and send some of our own and create insurgency. Military enters and kills the insurgency and its sympathizers and still doing so
    4) 1999: Hey looks like no one is on these on these Kargill hills in winter time, lets occupy them even if it does not belong to us so that we can grab Kashmir, you get defeated again.
    5) 2000 onward: looks like none of our plan has worked so lets start talking about human rights violation there that would surely attract international attention, now Pakistan talking about Human Rights? Unfathomable…

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  • Prashant

    DId Pakistan come into existence through UN resolutions? Why not debate the very creation of Pakistan, is it so difficult to understand that the words of UN are not gospel truth for us Indians especially when it means putting India’s territorial integrity at stake.

    You can harp on the UN resolutions for as long as you wish, India is not going to make friends with anybody by making itself smaller in size.

    Also, do you really need UN resolutions to be fair to your own, why not set an example to India by offering the Baloch’s a referendum.Recommend

  • LS

    Have you even read UN Resolution? Read, Full Text. Each next step in there is contingent on the prior step being completed under UN resolution.

    1) First step is Pakistan Vacates the whole region and remove your Military from there.

    The day you can do that we will talk about that. There 18 such steps

    here is the link: http://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/NL4/829/05/pdf/NL482905.pdf?OpenElement

    2) This resolution is a Chapter 6 type resolution which means that its just a recommendation and may or may not be enforced which is why Pakistan did not bother about it until 1990’s and picked the Plebiscite keyword from the bottom of the resolution knowing the fact that it will go no-where but was good to rile up gullible Pakistanis in the name of Kashmir.

    3) Your country signed-up Shimla-Agreement in 1971 in that you agreed that you would NOT involve any third-party elements until both parties approved and it applies to all bilateral disputes that includes Kashmir.

    Lastly, Your country was responsible for changing the population demographic of Pakistani Occupied Kashmir drastically and settling retired military men, Punjabi’s and changing the original Kashmiri’s population drastically. Same was achieved in Indian Kashmir via Militancy, which is why Plebiscite cannot take place no matter how much you want it.

    Respond if you have any facts that you can corroborateRecommend

  • vinsin

    I couldnt find the source so I would not argue.
    Majority got converted into Islam in 14th century by

    Sikandar Butshikan. KP has only one caste i.e Pandit, they are casteless hindus.

    I talked to a Pakistani, and he said there was a genocide of Punjabi Hindus and the actual percentage of Hindus were 3.6% not 22% in 1951. To hide the fact they signed the Liaquat Nehru Pact. Looks like Nehru was aware of the genocide and in order to avoid the repercussion he also signed the agreement and subsequent government has kept quiet.

    Even if I agree he was right then you need another genocide to reduce them from 3.6% to less than 1%. Even Christians, Zoroastrians, Jews, Buddhists, Sikhs are also down but not to the extend of Hindus.

    Liaquat Nehru Pact allows India to control Muslim population wrt Pakistan non muslims population. Implementing such an idea will make Muslims to be under 2% of population.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/820767/a-definitive-history-of-pakistan/Recommend

  • LS

    Why should it be allowed to Secede? Tomorrow if all the Muslims in UP, Bihar, Assam and West Bengal kick everyone out and ask for another country will you still have the same stand? Haven’t they done it already once? When will you wake up from your slumber?Recommend

  • LS

    Innocent Kashmiri Muslims? What is that? Are you talking about those Muslims who picked up Kalashnikov, used IED’s, Rocket Launchers after getting trained in Pakistan and shot at others Kashmiri’s they did not like? Or those who killed, maimed and raped the women of non-Muslims. Killed their own neighbors which whom they lived for decades? Which means that they never liked them and just pretended to like them? Even today, my family has some property in there and bunch of Muslims across the road eye that property and want to divide it among themselves and kill them off, are you talking about them as peaceful innocent Kashmiri’s? Every other day these people are at our door asking for food and grains and behind back they plan to kill, those innocent Kashmiris?

    So all the above was ok, until IA arrived and served them the same medicine they were serving others? Hypocrisy at its best…Recommend

  • Zee

    I’m surprised that every indian is so obsessed with Pakistan that they even couldn’t think rationally. Dude it’s your army occupying the Kashmir! It’s india who went to UN and committed plebiscite to Kashmir in 1949 and displacement of so called KP started in 1989 and afterwards.

    As staed by Queen! You guys need to ask the very question relating to your KP from indian governments! Not Pakistan!

    I mean you indian called us hypocrites but I didn’t see any of the commentators raising the question on Indian Army atrocities on Kashmiri Muslims i.e. Murder of 150k KM, rape of women etc. only one exception!

    How ironic is that!

    And Pakistan’s roll in Kashmir! We are just doing what you did in East Pakistan! Recommend

  • Zee

    India’s territorial integrity at stake! Dude come to reality! Kashmir is a disputed territory by all standards and not Baluchistan where only your government funded and trained persons are fighting!

    By your standard, india need to offer referendum to all the states where insurgencies exists! Long list hence leaving this on your wisdomRecommend

  • Alansaralhaq

    As a Kashmiri let me tell you your lying but what can we expect from you.

    Let’s have this discussion then through a UN mandate put your money where your mouth is.Recommend

  • Zee

    The ongoing Ghar Wapsi drive! Hindu women to produce 10 children! Burning of 10 Muslims in Bihar! Love Jihad! Muzaffargarh riots! Gujarat! Babri Masjid! Khalistan! Kashmir! Naxalites!

    Should I reproduce more to reflect how peaceful the Majority in India is? Pl come out from Islamophobia and Pakistanphobia! Country of more Muslims than Pakistan and Muslims only account for 1% in military, police and other govt jobs! Where the likes of Shabana Azmi, Saif Ali khan have been denied to have property due to very tolerant majority!

    Bollywood glamorisation doesn’t make india a superpower.Recommend

  • wb

    Good one. But still won’t cover how illogical you are.

    But I do entertain your inanity.Recommend

  • wb

    Forget grammar when your logic hold no ground.Recommend

  • Queen

    Kindly note that it was India not Pakistan which sought resolution of the Kashmir issue in the UN Security Council. It is ironic that a country like India, which aspires to be a member of the UN Security Council, does not consider UN resolutions as ‘the gospel of truth.’ If India believes that it has enough support in Balochistan, why does it not take the issue of Balochistan to the UN like it did with Kashmir?Recommend

  • Queen

    Kindly note that the UNSC has passed four resolutions revising the terms of the UN Resolution 47 to include a synchronous withdrawal of both Pakistani and Indian troops from Kashmir. The UN arbitrators have presented 11 proposals for the demilitarization of the region all of which have been accepted by Pakistan but rejected by India.If India is so honest, why has it not accepted these proposals?Recommend

  • Queen

    I don’t think it is a good idea to judge my knowledge or ‘lack of’ regarding international affairs including the Kashmir issue. I believe I have answered your question but it is up to you to understand.Recommend