Where are all the moderate Muslims?

Published: January 8, 2015
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A woman places a drawing and a pen at a makeshift memorial outside the Consulate General of France during a vigil to pay tribute to the victims of an attack on satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo in Paris, in San Francisco, California January 7, 2015. PHOTO: REUTERS

History tells us a story about a woman who used to throw garbage out every morning as the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) passed by her house.

This was the woman’s practice every morning, the Prophet (pbuh) did not reprimand her neither did he change his route. And then one day, the woman did not appear, the Prophet (pbuh), worried to see the woman missing, knocked on her door and inquired about the woman’s wellbeing. The woman was so overwhelmed by his kindness that it is believed that she converted to Islam.

That was the greatness and humanity of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh); this is a story that we tell our children when they are impressionable, the question being why? Let me answer the question myself; so they would understand goodness, tolerance, patience and kindness, the four cornerstones of humanity and Islam.

A Prophet (pbuh) who was known for his gentle ways, a Prophet (pbuh) who was known for his kindness, a Prophet (pbuh) who was known not to judge others, a Prophet (pbuh) who we hold in the greatest reverence and esteem, would he approve of the ugly way we live our lives? So full of hate and ready to judge at any given opportunity, ready to shed blood and pull out a sword to avenge any opinion other than our own.

Whoever made the defenders of Islam blood-thirsty barbaric killers? I think it is time the moderates take Islam back from the fanatics, who apparently love the smell of blood. Funnily, tragically or ironically, the mantra of the fanatics seems to be a verse written by the Europeans, it wasn’t right then and it is certainly the most hideous thing now;

Fee-fi-fo-fum, I smell the blood of an Englishman,

Be he live, or be he dead, I’ll grind his bones to make my bread.

The Englishman in the verse can be interpreted as anyone who speaks a language other than that of the fanatics; all minorities in Pakistan, moderate women, men and children, the French or anyone else who dares to disagree.

Our Islam is peaceful, our faith is strong enough where it can handle other opinions without having the urge to draw blood. The Islam I know taught me that killing is wrong, the Islam I know taught me that the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) lived an exemplary life, the Islam I know says that his practices and mannerism were gentle, the Islam I know teaches me that his ways of imparting lessons were wise, his persona commanded respect, he was the greatest human being and that was his miracle. And my logic tells me that killing of children and journalists is not any kind of Islam, it is savagery, plain and simple.

Keeping the above reality in mind, how is it that the fanatics assume that the Prophet (pbuh) would condone bloodshed in his name? Should that not be considered blasphemy? How is killing French journalists defending the Prophet (pbuh)? How is killing of children in Peshawar defending Allah?

The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) does not need defending, he does not need us to avenge him, he is much above that. It is reported that is what the murderers said as they massacred the French journalists.

Is the hard-liners’ faith so fragile that just because someone says or does something other than their belief system, they need to obliterate him? Why are the gatekeepers of Islam in Saudi Arabia not condemning such insane violence, why does the West never hold them accountable for supporting this fanatic brand of Islam? Why?

Fanatic ‘Islam’ has handicapped the real Muslims of the world; we are a population of over 1.2 billion Muslims who believe in actual Islam, a softer Islam, and we have been silenced. Are we not the real defenders of Islam, the majority? Should we not band together and take our faith back? Why are the moderate Muslims not taking offence to the fanatics twisting our faith, how is it that the fanatics have the guns and we have the pens? Is the pen not mightier than the sword?

Who are we?

What is our Islam, what is our Islamic philosophy, is our faith so fragile that it wavers every time someone from another belief system, faith, ideology, mind-set voices an opinion? Do we need a pound of flesh with a whole lot of blood each time someone utters, writes, or draws something that is other than what we think is right?

For the gun trotter, let me assure you that killing someone for an opinion is a sign of weakness. For the moderates, our faith is being hijacked, it is time we take offence and become the real ambassadors and defenders of Islam.

It is time to take Islam back.

Bisma Tirmizi

Bisma Tirmizi

The author lives for the simple pleasures and her musings over a cup of tea almost always find a way to be the written word. She also writes for pakteahouse.net. Her book 'Feast With A Taste Of Amir Khusro', published by Rupa Publications, is available in stores now.

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Parvez

    Nice, nice….but ‘ the Gate keepers of Islam in Saudi Arabia…….’ was a bit much.
    This was a cowardly, criminal, terrorist act…….and the perpetrators claimed themselves to be Muslims. I agree it is high time Muslims should look within themselves for the answers and stop living in denial.
    What is manifesting itself is political Islam…..and violence is being preached as a means to achieving their end and is being substantiated by ‘ cherry picking ‘ verses from the scriptures. My view is that as in nature, that which is week dies, so this which is wrong will implode on itself……its only taking forever to happen.Recommend

  • siesmann

    Killing the journalists and other acts of terrorism in the name of Islam produce more blasphemy for Islam and Prophet and more hatred for Muslims all over the world.It gives more strength to Islamophobes and dwindles the number of people who go against Islamophobes.These monsters with guns don’t realize that they can get temporary satisfaction in their minds,but do a lot of disservice to Muslims living in non-Muslim countries.As the author says they are the worst blasphemers of their own religion.Recommend

  • A Secular Humanist

    I’m afraid you’ve waited too long to “take Islam back” it’s gone.Recommend

  • https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=8559594100366660134#allposts Supriya Arcot

    Simple logic – If you want the bad guys to shut up and stay put , then the good guys SHOULD come out and speak up.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    Ahmadis have been doing it for ages. I am not looking for converts ET, but allow me to say: Ahmadis- ALL over the world are known to be a representation of Moderate Islam- EXACTLY how its supposed to be practices. Whether you hear it from the Prime Minster of Canada or any one else who attends our events. Search “Peace Symposium Ahmadi” on youtube or daily motion; scroll to the end of the video, and listen to the comments of the attendees.

    LOVE FOR ALL, HATRED FOR NONE.

    ET PLEASE post. Im tired of people saying Muslims dont stand up against these terrorists. WE do. But dont expect this stuff to become breaking news anytime soon. Why? Because it spreads the true teachings of Islam and clears doubts.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uVKpfwexJkRecommend

  • نائلہ
  • نائلہ

    Please read my comment on this blog post.Recommend

  • Omar

    ” it’s gone”
    Gone where? Last I checked it still had a large amount of sensible followers.Recommend

  • anon

    The story about a Jewish lady throwing garbage on the holy prophet Muhammad(saw) seems to be a fabricated tale. It can not be found in any hadith. If someone thinks otherwise please cite the hadith reference.Recommend

  • Zainab

    How exactly is it a much? Why doesn’t Saudi condemn this, don’t you wonder?Recommend

  • Relax, don’t get carried away in your own hatred. Islam is in the lived experience of almost two billion Muslims. Show some humanism, will you?Recommend

  • wb

    “love for all, hatred for none.”

    But that’s not true is it? You have a lot of hatred for HIndus and I have seen it in your comments. Because you’re pretty primitive and dishonest, you could neither hide it nor could you proclaim it.

    You have called HIndu belief system superstitious, without ever realizing that the same could be said about Mira Ghulam Ahmed. The same could also be said about other people and scripture of Islam.

    It’s just a slogan. Like Imran says naya pakistan. It has little to no meaning.Recommend

  • harsh

    ISLAM is the religion of peace- no pun intendedRecommend

  • Zara Ali

    why mixing Students with Journalists?Recommend

  • Ram

    They are in India and I know many of themRecommend

  • Amjad

    We must start actually thinking about our religion in order to counter the narrative of extremist ideology. As things stand, we are not supposed to even consider the morality of Islamic scripture – it just isn’t questioned. How can you begin to change things when you’re not even allowed to question them?Recommend

  • devindersingh

    Your gate keeper countries have never allowed to build other faith worship places or still you trying to tell us tolerance, you ppl can’t do discussion on your religious book at public forum, lets face the reality dear when you people are in minority your peoplebehave like a victim or when status quo changed all the sudden everything changed,law like blasphemy has been practicing every day in your nation or you telling us beautiful big word respect humanity honor,so dear calm down and think with cool mind.dear please appolgise me if I hurt you my meaning is not disrespect, I just want muslim scholars should come out and start thinkng about religious reform,I pray you will get success to convince muslim scholars again I ask for pardon and gud lukRecommend

  • LS

    Who is in attendance matters. There are thousands of videos like this when people at the table speak but there is no-one in front or too few to matter. The time for these videos and lectures is gone. What you need is aggressive damage control across the world. What you mentioned does not look like it.Recommend

  • Sami

    Madam have not you seen the mood on the general streets of Pakistan and on facebook?. Everyone was congratulating the murders in France. You belong from a very small minority perhaps less than 1 percent of the total population of Pakistan.
    Also I want to add upon my research i came to the conclusion that in Sunni and Shia sects Blasphemy laws are there and that is the reason Iran, Saudia, Turkey, Afghanistan and Pakistan etc practice them and they are a part of the constitution. So i dont know which Islam you are talking about?

    Also Other than Hamid Mir i have not even seen any Journalist condemning this act. I have condemned it yesterday and my friends have struck me out of Islam stating I cannot be a Muslim as I dont approve such killings.. May be you are not living in Pakistan so your life will be out of danger but i do fear for my life.

    What is more shocking that Non Muslims stand with us in Peshwar killings and we saw vigils and solidarity on Facebook and Twitter. But on the contrary almost none of the Muslims condemned the yesterday’s attack. Non Muslims stand with us in the hour of need but we will never stand with us anywhere.

    What is more shocking that Congratulations message on these murders were Pouring in From Canadian and British Pakistani Origin Muslims so in my view it is another time bomb for the West waiting to be exploded at a later at time.Recommend

  • LS

    Gone as in hijacked by extremist elements… The perception of Islam has been changed forever because the moderates thought and are still thinking… Why do I care since it does not hurt me… At the most there are a few lectures and a ceremonial denial saying “Islam is a religion of peace” and then these moderates go back into hibernation.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    But, none of those followers are wlling to admit there is even a problem with Islam and brush it off as mere problem of bad interpretation(as if bad or incorrect interpretation is not universal).

    Years ago Sati was part of Hinduism, but it was identified and Rajaram Mohan Roy fought against it and its gone today. Same with Caste system. Reservation to backward castes is emdedded in our Constitution. The problem hasn’t gone away, but we have identified the problem and today a backward caste member if the PM of India.

    But, the supposedly “perfect Religion” is victim of its own propaganda.

    Unless the sensible followers realize that all Religions are man-made and hence, there will be bugs/programming errors in them, the problem will simply not go away, but even increase.Recommend

  • Abdullah

    Ahmedis are not Muslims………. I hope mods don’t delete this comment because it is not me who say this, It is our constitution that says this.Recommend

  • 13113

    yeah, all of the sensible followers are confined in MadarsasRecommend

  • Iron hand

    Indeed.Recommend

  • someone

    Moderate Muslims is an oxymoron. Recommend

  • نائلہ

    It is said that “you should not talk about the talk that proves your ignorance”.

    Good day to you too. Recommend

  • نائلہ

    Good on you. A nice indian on ET after quite some time. Recommend

  • نائلہ

    Oh no pun credited. If you’re gonna troll, at least come up with something original. Don’t worry, I have complete faith you can improve in this field; you are an indian after all ;D .They should have short courses available in your city of residence- you will be sounding real harsh in days! – no pun intended. Recommend

  • wb

    Two billion doesn’t amount to anything, if these 2 billion are ignorant, underemployed, underachieving, lazy and useless.

    What is the contribution of these two billion? a big ZERO.Recommend

  • wb

    “you should not talk about the talk that proves your ignorance”

    Then you should at once stop talking about Islam.Recommend

  • wb

    In Abdullah’s comment is a lesson for both Abdullah and Naila.

    For Abdullah: If you say Ahmadis are not Muslims, then some sect of Islam will come forward and declare you as non-Muslims and call you wajibul Qatal.

    For Naila: This is the wonderful prize you get for supporting a country on the name of bigotry.

    In a way, I’m happy that Ahmadis and Wahabis deserve a separate country for each other.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    It’s my religion, not yours; so kindly back off. Recommend

  • نائلہ

    Yes, Pakistan’s constitution. PAKISTAN’s constitution. Recommend

  • نائلہ

    You have not seen the complete video. I can guarantee that. Recommend

  • wb

    “you should not talk about the talk that proves your ignorance”Recommend

  • L.

    I will support my country and it’s people till the day I die. Recommend

  • L.

    What is wrong with you, may I know?

    My best friend is a Hindu. Show me anywhere I have said anything hateful against them. Since you are losing arguments, you will resort to lying? I’m not surprised, well expected from you.

    Yes, I have called it superstitious. You call my faith superstitious. You call your own faith superstitious!Recommend

  • Parvez

    When they try…they are squashed.Recommend

  • PirG

    I am from Pakistan and born in a Muslim family (go figure what is the lawful definition of a muslim) but saw sunni school of thought practiced around me.

    I have no qualms in agreeing with Anoop wholeheartedly ( let the credit rest where it belongs and honestly i have seen more objective analysis from my nextdoor brothers / sisters).

    The belief system in question has been widely used for arab expansionism straight from Hijaz to greater middle east to Africa down to greater india ( yes it was India before we split) up to Spain and beyond in Europe. Sadly after so many years the same ideology persists in Saudi Arabia for example and religion is yet again being used to protect the interests of a wealthy few (they would rather die then transfer power to any other person or tribe. explains everything there).

    Everyone is fearful of his/her after life and so much is spewed from the religious status-quo protectors about the excruciating end one would meet in the grave and in the here after that they get confused what to do.

    These protectors have never allowed us to question why Islam did not abolish slavery and why a man can marry four (it is a suggestion though) women and have sex with his slaves and sell her off for profit (ISIS is actually encashing this privilege these days). Why God always has to talk to his messengers in secluded hill tops and other areas where the general public has no access to. What issues he has to talk to the human kind openly :) so on and so forth.

    Do i become a non muslim if i dare ask these questions? Amusingly no one agrees on one universal definition of a muslim so i am not too bothered.
    On a different note, it is not about Islam being right or wrong but it is about your personal freedom to do whatever you want to do and believe in whatever you want to believe in as long as you do not trespass into another persons space. We can live happily and peacefully only when this personal space is provided and safeguarded by you and me (forget asking this from the state).

    Charlie was practicing his freedom and we have all the right to disagree with him. He was a brave man at least that he stood onto his convictions and died like a man.

    I salute you Charlie (though i may differ from what you were standing for) i will always fight for my and everyone’s else personal freedom of choice and speech.

    May Allah rest you and others fallen in peace.Recommend

  • Imran

    Bisma Tirmizi’s Question – Where are all the moderate Muslims?

    Answer: They are being expunged from the “Circle of Islam” by the hardliners, while the silent majority watches on and waits for their turn.Recommend

  • Agrippa – The Skeptic

    I do not know how old you are or how deep is your knowledge of the partition of India.
    Ahmadis were very active supporters and followers of the QeA both in hating Hindus and Sikhs and in the act of partition (euphemism for the killings) and I have not said that the other side did not hate or kill.

    Today’s Ahmadi may have learnt some tolerance after being on the receiving end of the “displeasure” of the Sunnis in Pakistan but I think it’s cosmetic as I note and see on these Pakistani origin fora.Recommend

  • wb

    You just need to reduce your hatred for HInduism.

    And remember, every faith is superstitious. Every single faith.Recommend

  • wb

    That’s exactly what is going to happen in the end.Recommend

  • Agrippa – The Skeptic

    “Whether you hear it from the Prime Minster of Canada or any one else who attends our events.”

    Your belief in your faith must be quite shaky to need corroborations from a political windbag.
    Have you heard of Obama’s Iftar dinners, Cameron’s participation in Eid and Sikh annual festivities.
    Let me tell you a secret.They do not do it out of conviction, they are after your vote !
    Please do not tell it to the others in the gathering (whichever) it may sap their morale.Recommend

  • Agrippa – The Skeptic

    “What is manifesting itself is political Islam”

    Heck, this nitpicking.
    Do I, as non-Muslim, need to understand the differences in the shades of political, religious and whatever other shades of Islam that are there?
    Should I care?
    Do I care?
    Do I want to care?
    NO !
    Sort you mess and create a harmonious interface to the RoW.
    Find ways and means to control the nutbags in your midst, lest some day the RoW will want to turn on all 0f you.Recommend

  • Agrippa – The Skeptic

    Thank you for starting to ask such questions.
    A very good beginning.
    Please start looking over shoulder. Stay safe.Recommend

  • Ayesha Najam

    Well said. However, there os no such thing is ‘moderate islam or fabatic islam’. Islam is the way of life ordained by God. He did not make divisions rather US the followers of this religion.

    Im sure you meant the same however the difference needs to be stated clearly!Recommend

  • Ayesha Najam

    Well said . However there is no such thing as moderate islam or fanatic islam . islam is the way of life ordained by God. He did not make the divisions rather US the followers of this religion did.

    I am sure you meant the same, however the difference needs to be stated clearly!Recommend

  • Ayesha

    Very well written article, I completely agree with the writer.
    And this post is a huge message for Muslims.Recommend

  • Neo

    Your comment reminded me of the outlash Bill Maher had the other day on on Paris incident:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj58TavOIqg#t=276Recommend

  • Nauman

    “The belief system in question has been widely used for Arab expansionism”
    The Persians, Turks and Indonesians have been successfully able to localize their Islam and so did many of our ancestors with their version of Sufi Islam.

    Questions about religion aside I agree that the attackers had no right to harm Charlie and the other victims.Recommend

  • :)

    And you need to remember that Suttee WAS certainly a part of Hinduism.Recommend

  • Patriotic Pakistani

    I salute your patriotism. Let Pakistan and Islam hating trolls like wb never confuse you.Recommend

  • wizarat Rizvi

    Could you define what a moderate Muslim is? It is my understanding that either you are or you are not a Muslim, just like being moderately pregnant.
    It is time we stop hiding behind labels of Moderate and Enlightened and address the real issue within the so called Muslim Ummah.
    The issue is the interpretation by our Religious Scholars of various Madhab (Hanafi, Shafi’i, Hanbali, Jafari, or Maliki). They would have to be on one table and work it out. Wahabi, Salafi, Barelvi, and Deobandi movements are also part of the Sunni Madhhabs of Islam and should have a seat at the table.Recommend

  • woody

    Nice blog. I have always wondered why the moderate Muslims don’t stand up and actively challenge the extremist Mullah’s right in the middle of their hate filled speeches – yeah it’s going to create a ruckus but it’s time for the “silent majority” to get off their duffs.Recommend

  • Parvez

    No its not nitpicking, far from it……If one has to understand the mechanics of what’s happening, one has to dig deeper.
    The comment was directed at the author……you can feel free to shut your eye, ears and mind.Recommend

  • LS

    Thank you AmjadRecommend

  • LS

    Blind support is bad. Ever heard of constructive criticism?Recommend

  • LS

    I know there people in there but like I said. The time for awareness oriented lectures and videos is long gone. You need serious damage control on a global scale, the only problem is no one is doing that but people like Anjem Chaudhary rule the roost.Recommend

  • wb

    You have made some valid comments which non-Muslims ask all the time and fail to get one rational answer out of 1.2 billion muslims.Recommend

  • shah

    yawn!!! All Muslims are not collectively guilty for this Paris shooting. ThanksRecommend

  • L.

    Your beliefs in any thing must me shaky if your source of knowledge is your television. Recommend

  • L.

    Idk how what Ahmadis supported have anything to do with what they believe and act out. Do you know where ahmadiyyat started? QADIAN a city of India. If you live in india you can google ur closest ahmadi mosque and fix up your knowledge.Recommend

  • Sohail Ansari

    Thanks for highlighting the reality… i share the same fears!Recommend

  • A Secular Humanist

    Islam like all religions has been hijacked by people in power to manipulate the masses into doing their bidding. The Jews have enslaved the west in the monetary system. The Roman Catholics have enslaved Christians in the most literal way possible the Feudal System. We are at the point in our history where we don’t need religion to tell us how to live better lives. We have the technology now to allow everyone in the world to live very comfortable lives and to go about practicing what ever belief system they choose. The only thing in our way are these people who seek to preserve what they have and are using religion to fuel hatred. People must unite against those in power who seek to enslave us. Who seek to reduce us to killing machines. Once we are on the battle field “they” have won we have lost because then, we’ll be fighting to save and avenge the ones we love and those that fight beside us.
    Those people at Charlie Hebdo were my bothers and sisters, my loved ones.Recommend

  • A Secular Humanist

    Where is there hatred in my statement? Are you assuming it?Recommend

  • Ram

    You must be Indian posing as PakistaniRecommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    “Moderate Muslims”. If we have come to the time when one of the most peaceful religions in the world has “moderate” (not peaceful , not anti-war, just moderate) followers as a minority then for sure we live in dire times.Recommend

  • wb

    I don’t understand this obsession with Satee. It was never a part of Hinduism.

    Even if I give you the benefit of the nonexistent doubt, just to indulge you, so what?

    It has been banned and it is not practiced anymore.Recommend

  • wb

    I don’t understand this obsession with Satee. It was never a part of Hinduism.

    Even if I give you the benefit of the nonexistent doubt, just to indulge you, so what?

    It has been banned and it is not practiced anymore.Recommend

  • Embarrassed Indian

    Sati wasn’t a bonafide scriptural hindu practice..but temple prostitution was. It is also outlawed today,but it gives a glorious picture of the religion that could prescribe such a practice-esp. attached to its own place of worship.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    No, I mean watch the video and then talk. Recommend

  • نائلہ

    You do realise who I’m conversing with right? someone you don’t have to put effort into with communicating; say whatever you want, it doesn’t change his perspective. Recommend

  • نائلہ

    I won’t be confused or let down by people don’t you worry. Those who are afraid of God don’t filch at the words of others :) Recommend

  • wb

    Why? Because he asked some very valid, reasonable questions?

    This is why blasphemy exists in Islam. Because anyone who tries to expose the myths of Islam will be killed with this.Recommend

  • wb

    1) You don’t know anything about Islam.

    2) You don’t know anything about the history of Muslims.

    3) You don’t know the history of Pakistan and India.

    4) You think propaganda and excuses are facts and explanations.

    My dear lady, you can’t change the perspective a two year old with your inanity.Recommend

  • wb

    You are so confused that you don’t even know the difference between flinch and filch (meaning to lift, steal). LOL.Hahaha!Recommend

  • نائلہ

    Meet you on the day of judgement! wear something colourful so I can spot you in the crowd :) Recommend

  • نائلہ

    1) wrong
    2) wrong
    3) that ones true though. The most of what I know is Pakistanis and Indians, not the countries.
    4) wrong. But I do know of someone who think phrase describes perfectly. I would give you his details, but you know him better than I do :)
    5) sometimes you are actually amusing! Recommend

  • نائلہ

    Goodness you are a better spell check than my ipad! Apple should employ you already! Recommend

  • Indian

    Brilliant article – but lets be honest. In spite of what the original purpose/teachings of Islam, the global image has been largely built on the principle of equality. Other words while very desirable, are merely in the minds of a minority few. Can we honestly ask ourselves which part of the history or folklore of global image of Islam has focussed on projecting a humble and tolerant religion? If anything, historians and followers alike have reveled in showing their muscular face/practices, and even the rare moderates have looked the other way while killings were conducted under the justification of Islam. Read for example, the justiifications offered by Mughal and other Persian invaders of the Indian subcontinent where they butchered 10 times more people than the Jews in the Holocaust – all under the name of religion. It is only the weakness or strength (whichever way one wants to see it) of the native Indian-mindset that it has forgotten that phase and in fact assimilated those very invaders amidst itself. Those who have been able to do so, while weak, have had peace and progress. Those who have not are still looking for the answer the author is asking for.Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    Yes agreed but over a period of time only. The Islam that came was the Islam of Imperialists & thus was soaked in Supremacism, it was rather humanised & localised when ordinary Gujjars, Jats , Rajputs ,Khatris etc embraced it , creating a blend of local traditions & Arabic Islam creating the South Asian Islam as we know it.Recommend

  • wb

    Don’t blame your confusion on spell checker. LOL!Recommend

  • wb

    Hehehe!

    Sorry, I’m correct all the way.

    Amusement is the icing on the cake of knowledge.Recommend

  • L.

    I didn’t- I said you are a great one! Recommend

  • L.

    I have never hated anything or anyone. although the same cannot be said for you.

    For eg. The most I can do for your country is not worry about it. Serious, here’s my cup of care for India: _/ oh look, it’s empty.

    Or I strongly dislike black olives on my pizza. That’s it. I don’t need your stamp of approval for my faith, but life is too short to go around hating on people dude, try spreading love. Then you will surely find that HUMANITY is not superstitious.
    Recommend

  • Agrippa – The Skeptic

    “LOVE FOR ALL, HATRED FOR NONE.”

    This is the statement you made above.

    Do you really mean one’s beliefs and action can be divorced from one’s action?

    What sort of mental state must a person or community be to live a life like this?

    Bi-polar? Can communities be bi-polar?

    “QADIAN a city of India”
    What does it matter where the religion started?The fact of the matter is and that is what I mentioned, the Ahmadis seem to have learnt compassion after being ostracised in Pakistan.

    I welcome them in the collective of compassionate humans, better late than never, but please do not forget where you come from, lest you head there again once you have the power.

    BTW – just to complete the rebuttal of your argument.

    Do you know / recall where the Qaid-e-Azam was born? In India and it did not prevent him from leading the movement for partitioning of the land.Recommend

  • Someone

    Also the centuries old practice of untouchability. Dr. Ambedkar used to be poured water from a height by the school peon,when he was a child,sitting on burlap,in school. If the peon was absent,Dr.Ambedkar had to go thirsty,as the untouchable shudra kids couldn’t pollute the water for the non-shudra kids.
    Thankfully,the lovely Constitution of India doesn’t allow such inhuman atrocities anymore,(esp. since it is inspired heavily by Western constitutions which were based on equality of all mankind ) But the banned practice of untouchability & casteism (from birth to death through generations with no escape) does show the ugly truth about hinduism.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    Why, do you think I hate Hinduism? I disagree with it sure, but i don’t hate it!

    Ahmadis- if you know ANYTHING about us, follow the true teachings of Islam- and that is being compassionate regardless. You have NO proof and yet you are saying this! Just cos they supported Jinnah- which was THEIR RIGHT btw, you are calling all of us uncompassionate? Show any proof if you want me to take your ridiculous allegations seriously.

    And u think Ahmadis don’t reside in india? Do you think they hate Hindus and are uncompassionate towards them? Do you think that Ahmadis will contain to reside in india after the partition if they hated the country and it’s people so much?! Blabber on! What are you, the reincarnation of WB?Recommend

  • Agrippa – The Skeptic

    You seek easy way out if the questions get uncomfortable.
    Don’t like the heat – don’t go to a kitchen.
    Don’t care for others legitimate concerns?
    Don’t get into a discussion.Recommend

  • Agrippa – The Skeptic

    No, my sound belief is my knowledge.

    I did not attach the video clip of the Ahmadi meeting.
    Nor was the thought, that because the Can. PM attended a function and said something, the hosts became more peace loving than before, mine

    As long as you comment over other religions that they are superstitious (or anything negative) there by proclaiming the superiority of your faith, be prepared to answer some pointed questions.Recommend

  • wb

    Maybe. But I’m greater at exposing turncoats and their bigoted ideologies.Recommend

  • Agrippa – The Skeptic

    “Why, do you think I hate Hinduism? I disagree with it sure, but i don’t hate it!”

    Ma’am you have worked up a rage and are closed to reason.
    When and where have I mentioned you hate Hindus?
    Please show me where I have said that some Ahmadis do not reside in India, where have I said that the Ahmadis hate India?

    What I do know is that the Ahmadis, Shia, Sunni were all together in saying that they could not live with others (aka Hindus and Sikhs) and needed a separate nation. Pakistani Ahmadis, Shia and Sunni were all complicit in driving the minorities out of Pakistan.
    Many highly decorated Ahmadi military officers fought gallantly against the India forces.

    So don’t stand there and proclaim to the world that Ahmadis are and have always been the most peaceful compassionate people who never harmed a fly!
    It gets difficult to believe.

    My request to you is:
    It is your faith and you have every right to describe it with the highest known adjectives.
    Please do not denigrate others and claim yours to be superior. Do not be judgemental.
    BTW – I am an atheist and not an Indian.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    And at lying :) Recommend

  • Rafay

    You’re the one evading the topic at hand by saying :
    “Should I care?
    Do I care?
    Do I want to care?
    NO !”
    You’re on a Pakistani site talking about Pakistan’s problems and then you say you don’t care? What are you here for then?Recommend

  • Ram

    It also applies to army referred as don’t ask don’t tell policyRecommend

  • LS

    I don’t want to because it clearly has no effect. People who attend these meetings are NOT your target. Your target should be your own kind all 72 sects in Asia, middle east and Africa. You are just barking at a wrong tree and looking at solutions in wrong place.

    Today more than 100 people were hacked by Boko Haram in Nigeria.Recommend

  • LS

    Wrong…
    “Then you will surely find that HUMANITY is not superstitious.”

    So now you are spokesperson for humanity?

    If you follow a religion then chances are you ARE also superstitious.Recommend

  • Gul Zaman Ghorgasht

    ‘wb’… for your info
    Common practice. hindus using fake Muslim names in
    hindu section of ET. Fake secularism. Recommend

  • LS

    “THEIR RIGHT” What crap…

    Why do you think MUSLIMS in India deserved special treatment? No one – No one asked to be treated differently or wanted special privileges. Why Muslims? The best way would have been to work together what Jinnah did initially, He was the biggest proponent of Hindu Muslims unity until his ambition got better of him. In a democratic setup asking for special privileges was WRONG. What if others also started doing that, in fact they did start doing that and examples are there. It was divisive at best.

    Saying that we cannot live with you was a preposterous reason. If they could not live with us why even come here? Also, most of the people who claimed to be Muslims were Hindus at one point.

    Lastly today there are more muslims in India than Pakistan, so that divisive tactics did not work for your nation, in fact Jinnah regretted that he created Pakistan while he was dying…Recommend