How can we stop our children from being radicalised by extremists?

Published: March 24, 2015
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When you hear such sentences from children who are only six or seven-years-old, you wonder how you can prevent your children from turning into extremists. PHOTO: AFP

I ask this question because all around me, our kids are being brainwashed by adults who are scared that Islam will disappear from the world if the younger generation is not trained to kill for the sake of religion.

“Dada, you will not go to heaven if you do not keep a beard, Mehroze Khan Chacha told me”.

“Nana, you should wear shalwar kameez when you go to the mosque, not jeans and T-shirt, Akmal driver Chacha says so.”

“Dadi, you should not watch TV, Allah will punish you for it, our Quran teacher told us.”

“Mummy, why don’t you wear a burqa, our Islamiat teacher says your prayers will never be accepted if you don’t.”

When you hear such sentences from children who are only six or seven-years-old, you wonder how you can prevent your children from turning into extremists.

We cannot prevent our children from speaking to our staff members (drivers or security guards) or those who teach them how to read the Quran. These individuals are placed in our lives and we cannot overlook their presence. Muslims have differing beliefs, but the hard-core ones, which we need to keep our children away from, are the ones who believe that not only Pakistan, but the whole world has been created for Muslims who follow an extremist version of Islam.

This belief automatically negates the concept of sub-sections within a majority. When I was a child, we heard that there were only two sects, which have existed for centuries. Mosque Imams were more relaxed and I never heard anyone preaching that it was a good deed to kill those who did not follow the “true” faith, Islam.

Eventually, things started getting worse. Almost all the Christians of Karachi migrated to greener pastures (most Hindus had fled to India immediately after partition). When we were in school, we would play and eat with Christians, Hindus and Parsis (there were a few Jews as well).

Nowadays, children rarely come across non-Muslims. I occasionally come across teenagers who think that only a few non-Muslims are left in Pakistan, and it’s only a matter of time before they are wiped out.

The decline probably started after some of our labourers and working class individuals began returning from Middle East countries like Saudi Arabia, and became convinced that the hard-line version of Islam practiced there was far superior to the relaxed one inherited by Pakistan.

Suddenly there was a proliferation of organisations preaching what they considered the “true” Islam and many people joined them. It was not long before our TV channels also began to telecast programs in which so-called scholars were invited to convince people to follow their ideologies.

At wedding dinners and such occasions, religion and politics are the most popular topics. I keep overhearing obscure things such as whether Islam allows us to eat prawns and crabs or whether a man’s nikkah is broken if he prays behind a man who belongs to another sub-sect. Extreme cases include brothers quarrelling over which imam should lead funeral prayers because they both belong to different sub-sects.

I wonder if this battle can ever be won. At times I am filled with despair over the decreased levels of tolerance in our society, especially when I witness things such as people in my neighbourhood building a new mosque because the Imam of a nearby mosque followed a slightly different version of Islam. Now, when I go to offer prayers in the mosque where the Imam apparently follows a different version of Islam, some of my neighbours express their aversion openly.

I weep for my people, for my country and for the Muslim world. I have no solution to the problem, except perhaps keeping our children away from individuals who lean towards extremism.

Shakir Lakhani

Shakir Lakhani

Engineer, former visiting lecturer at NED Engineering College, industrialist, associated with petroleum/chemical industries for many years. Loves writing, and (in the opinion of most of those who know him), mentally unbalanced. He tweets @shakirlakhani (twitter.com/shakirlakhani)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=8559594100366660134#allposts Supriya Arcot

    Same pinch from the other side of your border. :)Recommend

  • Amina Ahmed

    While reading this article I thought it is coming from some “moombati mafia kid”, however it came as a shocker to me that an author of this blog is eventually a grown up man and a well experienced engineer.

    Uncle either you need to clarify your thoughts in a more mature style or avoid sending your kids to madarssa or stop letting them attempt Islamiat’s class at school and above all do your gardening and driving on your own; otherwise your mali, driver, your kid’s moulvi sahab and Islamiat’s teacher might spoil his / her so called “bright future”.Recommend

  • Rahul

    When a nation is founded on the basis of religion, the question automatically arises with time, whose version is the true version. If you look at any religion in the world, the sects and sub sects are endless and all of them claim to be the true version. This quagmire was built into the foundation of Pakistan and it has sunk deeper and deeper into this with time. The solution is for the state to not get involved in this discussion in the first place.Recommend

  • Dr. Shafique

    As any person with common sense tell you, stop the madrassas where children are brainwashed with hate ideology and trained to commit suicide and kill innocent people. Pakistan needs nation builders who can be groomed with modern education and an upbringing based on tolerance and understanding. Unfortunately, Pakistan’s fundamentals are in terrible shape; I am afraid, if corrective action is not taken immediately and the rot stopped, the country will go down the abyss. You have to start with children at a young age and give them a decent education with a curriculum that includes science, mathematics, languages, history (factual not fictionalized and distorted version taught in schools) etc. etc.Recommend

  • Crikey

    By teaching them at home that all religions and people are equal. That success in this world is a lot more important than the rewards waiting at the end of life.Recommend

  • ModiFied

    First and foremost step should be to make available Quran copies in local language so that individuals can read and understand Quran themselves and don’t depend on clerics. Quran needs to be liberated from Mullahs, else problem will continue for ever. Friday Khutba in every Mosque should be monitored by the state and any Imam preaching extremism should be booked. As a next step, basics of other religions should also be taught so that students don’t have problems in dealing with the people of other faiths. Next, true history should be taught to the students and not the manufactured one.Recommend

  • Abel Magwich

    India has become very very radicalized too. More so since Modi
    came into power. He has given a carte blanche to Hindu extremists,
    with a wink and a nod. The Hindutva philosophy, the Ghar Wapsi
    campaigns all across India. The mass forced conversions of Muslims
    and Christians. The ban on beef. The rampaging mobs looking for Muslims.
    Churches and Cathedrals being burnt regularly. These are severe, severe
    manifestations of a society simply loosing it. There is no future in this for India.
    To put it bluntly, It seems like India is a nation being stung by a thousand bees.
    It is running around flailing its arms.

    ET moderators this is a fair, decent assessment. Indians cannot deny this.Recommend

  • logicwins

    How can learning the quran and getting immersed in the teaching of the religion of peace in the madrassas be bad?Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    “keeping our children away from individuals who lean towards extremism” Awesome summing up. This is the best way. Even if the extremist feeds them and says that he will bring them up as true muslims.Recommend

  • Fareed Khan Afridi

    The blogger has painted a true stark deathly picture, in all the ghastly colors.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    Ah, a sane comment.Recommend

  • logicwins

    May be so, but Ahmadis, Shia, Christians etc. are practicing their faith peacefully as compared to Pakistan where they are getting butchered daily.Recommend

  • Praful R Shah

    I am Indian Jain. I have Muslim friends and had Muslim colleagues. We use to sit down for lunch together and exchange food, I will share vegetables with then and they will give me vegetables if they in separate container. I still friendship with my coworker after migrating to USA. I met my Muslim friend with his doctor son after forty years and was extremely sorry for his wife’s death. He called me few days after her death. I used to talk to her for hours and I used to call Bhabhi.Recommend

  • 19640909rk .

    Don’t fool yourself with “They are like us too” mentality. Hindus can never be as violent or fanatic like Muslim extremist.

    Hindu extrimist is not equal to Muslim extremist.Recommend

  • Uzair

    Wow! Rather than proposing a solution that is grounded in learning the sacred knowledge to rectify the ills of society, the writer proposes: “keeping our children away from individuals who lean towards extremism”. Our line of reasoning is flawed and yet we call ourselves ‘liberals, progressive, enlightened, educated’.Recommend

  • Hasan

    “First and foremost step should be to make available Quran copies in
    local language so that individuals can read and understand Quran
    themselves and don’t depend on clerics”.

    While this may solve much of the problem, what will you do with those who can’t even read?
    Do you believe all of these scumbags gathered in the northwest of Pakistan and South Afghanistan can read? I don’t think so.Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    You do realize that your comment makes zero sense right? I mean like totally zeroRecommend

  • Saim Chaudhary

    “The decline probably started after some of our labourers and working class individuals began returning from Middle East countries like Saudi Arabia, and became convinced that the hard-line version of Islam practiced there was far superior to the relaxed one inherited by Pakistan.

    Suddenly there was a proliferation of organisations preaching what they considered the “true” Islam and many people joined them. It was not long before our TV channels also began to telecast programs in which so-called scholars were invited to convince people to follow their ideologies.”

    How can you make this claim without any research or empirical evidence? This is the problem with our journalists. We do not involve ourselves in research. Utterly disappointing.Recommend

  • ovais

    I am sorry i disagree with your promise , problems are due to our lack of understanding of islam and quran rather than more understanding . Children need to learn about islam , about modesty , about islamic value. You may not follow them doesnt make them wrong to say that being modest is part of islam . Or taking interest is haram or drinking alcohol is haram. Islam wont change for your ease. We all do ills and have flaws and we need to repent to Allah but we have no right to comment on what is and what is not part of islam when when we dont have knowledge and haven’t even read quranRecommend

  • umair

    The views here are not expressed clearly. It depends what we are watching on TV. If one is listening Music,watching porn, looking half naked men and women then its an open sin.Islam cannot be modernize , rather we can monitor wrong preachers. biased views.Recommend

  • Uzair

    Well-articulated and concise solutions. The problem might be the lack of eagerness of the ‘educated’ population to learn in-depth religious knowledge. Hence, ‘mullahs, clerics and priests’ become the authority on scriptures. The proposed solutions seem logical in theory, but if we could have we would have. Religious sciences of tafsir, hadith, fiqh, sarf, nahw are considered inferior to secular sciences and the society has delegated the inferior part to the ‘inferior’ segments. The ‘educated’ class has assumed the prized legislative positions and are doing a marvelous job. Always take into account the counter-narrative :)Recommend

  • shabir

    avoid sending your kids to madarssa or stop letting them attempt Islamiat’s class at school thats mean you not want to learn them about islam.Recommend

  • zain

    well SOME stuff that is shown on tv these days is obviously haramRecommend

  • Anum Akbar

    Even translating Quran in another language will create so many interpretation problems. Moreover, monitoring all the Imams in all the masjids is not practical. I think parents should inculcate proper teachings in their children and teach them not to give any heed to other people’s ideas and opinions.Recommend

  • L.

    An extremist IS an extremist. Next you’ll be recommending a death sentence for “muslim” terrorists and a second chance for “hindu” ones. -.-Recommend

  • Lt Col Imtiaz Alam(retd)

    Know your Religion yourself & teach it to your children. They will never fall prey to these novice Mullah’s. But Alas! how many know the basics of their religion. The TV & Music is the Devil’s tool to keep you away from performing pious acts. Commenting and writing a column for kicks is very easy. How many say your prayers in the mosque.Recommend

  • L.

    WHY?

    Children learn from their parents and its the parents who have to take time out of their schedule to put effort into their kids. I was taught my faith from my parents and I practice because I grew up SEEING them practice it. If they had taught me that Islam says lying is bad, but continue to lie themselves, then I will most likely not stick to the truth, correct? On the other hand if they practice what they preach, the kids are way more likely to follow.

    I have met people who have diverted from their own faiths just because what they were taught by religious clerics is not practised in their household. Christian children are sent to catholic schools in an attempt to “educate” them about their faiths. 90% of the time, the opposite happens. I have ex-catholic (now agnostic) friends who say religion was “forced down their throats” in school and now they are completely over it.

    For goodness sake people, if you want your child to grow up as a GOOD Muslim and a good human being, teach them yourself! Stopping their religious education from outsiders should be welcomed to save them from being radicalised. Home schooling for religion should be considered a better option.Recommend

  • Abdul Malik

    First of all remove anti other religion texts from your school textbooks.Recommend

  • Abdul Malik

    First of all remove anti other religion texts from your school textbooks.Recommend

  • Abdul Malik

    First of all remove anti other religion texts from your school textbooks.Recommend

  • Abdul Malik

    First of all remove anti other religion texts from your school textbooks.Recommend

  • Abdul Malik

    Come on Supriya, it is not that bad, I belong to the minority (Muslim) community but have not ever felt threatened or unsafe. Yes I am openly Muslim and do not live in Muslim majority areas of Delhi. In fact I live in Dwarka.Recommend

  • Khalid Shaikh

    I have the solution, but the problem is, my solution always gets deleted by moderators! So i am sorry, we are doomed.Recommend

  • Khalid Shaikh

    upbringing starts at home, if parents are good muslims, and know the basic tenets of Islam, they wouldn ‘t have to send their kids to madrassas. its poverty and having no religious knowledge that makes parents send their kids to madrassas. And the mullah is like the religious contractor, only with mullahs consent, anything concerning religion can take place. its called ignorance.Recommend

  • Khalid Shaikh

    So you are saying that, killing in the name of religion is permitted? and where did you read this in the Quran?Recommend

  • Khalid Shaikh

    So you are calling killing of innocents rectification of our ills of society by going to the madrassas and learnig the sacred knowlegde i.e the Quran. I am confused!Recommend

  • Khalid Shaikh

    That is exactly what the mullah does not want. They do not want to be monitored, they do not want to disclose their funds and their donators. And still we go on blaming the beroni haath.Recommend

  • Khalid Shaikh

    Why you guys are deleting my comments?? I thought internet was one place where one can share his views openly, but sadly, this is a pakistani website. nothing happens here without prejudice or bias.Recommend

  • Miyagi Jr.

    Wrong. Your examples of being modern are all wrong. watching porn, half naked men and women is not modern, its wrong. While we can use DNA evidence in rape cases, while mullah says you need 4 eye witnesses. this is how you can modernize, whats wrong with that? and there are countless other examples. listening to music is not wrong, or un-islamic. What mullah is doing is taking islam back to the middle ages, whereas islam is the religion of peace, ease and accommodates people from all walks of life. Islam should make life easier for you, not difficult.Recommend

  • Solomon2

    I wonder if translated Korans would be as much a solution to radicalism as teaching kids that Arabic relies on allegory, repetition, and nuance to convey many meanings and thus literal interpretations of the Koran are open to doubt.Recommend

  • Anushe

    And here’s the irony: my seven year old came up to me and asked if her grandparents belong to this thing called the Taliban because they told her that music was banned. And no, she is not some Americanised kid, she grew up in the middle east and just heard about the Taliban while reading about malala!Recommend

  • Adpran

    When I was kid my teacher told me and other students that we must care to the orphans. So we collected some stuffs that we could donate for orphans, such as clothes, school bags, and money. Then we went to orphanage to give these donation and meet the orphans.

    My teacher also told me that I should be grateful because I was born in a family with good financial condition, and taught me to imagine what would happen if I was born in poor family.

    Empathy and social care, these are what my teachers and my parents taught me. Now I teach these to my children too. Sometime me and my children go to orphanage to give donation. Empathy and sense of social care have saved me and my children from extremism.

    Teaching empathy and social care has been proven can prevent children fall into extremism. I hope Pakistani parents can teach these things to their children.

    Adpran (Indonesia)Recommend

  • Rohit

    Supriya – You are free to migrate to a country of your choice if you find India so horrible. You won’t be missed. I would rather in live in this India with focus on economic development and our past culture. Centuries of British and Congress rule have made lot of Indians hate their own culture.Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    But yet the “hindu -extremist” India has a minority population that has increased ; minorities evangelise just like the majority ; situations of Indian Muslims is grey & yes there are those who want to make it black. But Indian Secularists are not Hypocrites like the Pak’s Secularists are.

    Now compare it to Pak Hindus : Population has been dwindling since Partition ; only the majority has the right to evangelise the minorities ; even Pak Secularists hardly like to talk about them. Yet these things do not strike your head bcz of “Muslim seige mindset”. Their situation has been consistently dark & I am yet to read strong blogs or coverage of Pak Hindus living in Pak & Rajasthan. Rather you talk more about Indian muslims than Pak Hindus-Christians-Sikhs etc. put together. This is unlike in Indian civil society.Recommend

  • osama

    The article is a typical biased one subtly showing Islam or anything to do with Islamic way of life as mother of all problems. Are we not aware that the reason of sectarian divide, be it religious or based on race, is due to the policies of the regime? It is our regime which secures its control by harboring divide. Beside the list of individuals having sectarian narrative is not big as it is projected by our regime through media. Never to forget that the sectarian outfits and groups with control over Masjids is with the approval of regime and all such individuals and groups who carries sectarian narrative are not only protected by the regime but also promoted.

    The blog is nothing but a very careful attempt to push the worldwide narrative of labeling Islam as source of all problems.Recommend

  • ovais

    who said that but saying modesty is part of islam , or praying 5 times a day is part of islam is not wrong . Sadly you assume its extremistRecommend

  • Uzair

    Amazing how you can distort an argument and turn it upside down. Where did I mention that we need to go to madrassas and learn how to kill fellow countrymen and innocent children? Well, this just goes on to substantiate my argument about the ‘educated’ class. Rather than learning the religious sciences of quranic tafsir, hadith, usool-ul-fiqh, sarf and nahw, we value secular sciences more. As a consequence, the sacred knowledge is delegated to the ‘uneducated’ class and the ‘progressive educated’ ones are engaged in ‘more prolific’ professions and criticize the religion based on their superficial knowledge. Hope this clarifies things and you don’t turn this upside down for confirmation bias.Recommend

  • Fareed Khan Afridi

    Thanks so much for the advice. So kind of you to express your
    sentiments. However, to each his own. Surely it is your prerogative
    to stew in your chosen Bouillabaisse. Or idlis or dosas. The blogger
    and commenter Supriya has already followed your advice, a long
    time ago,…before you gave it to her. She now lives in Paris. The
    one in FranceRecommend

  • L.

    I talk about indian muslims more than …..? actually I don’t talk about a single group of indians more than the other. But maybe you were implying that a muslim would “care” more for the muslim indian than an hindu indian. YES, if that’s all we know about the two people, YES. And neither you, nor most of the Hindu populace can deny same for hindus either. You will stand with a Hindu against a muslim 99% of the time. Try telling me I’m wrong.

    Also, we are talking RELIGIOUS populations. Don’t know how pak and india got into this convo. Muslims happen to exist in other countries too. Recommend

  • Gul Zaman Ghorgasht

    Maybe you remember Aligarh Muslim University debacle
    2 months ago? Where RSS and Shiv Sena thugs came on
    campus to preach and sermonize. And hold a Ghar Wapsi ceremony there. Should we go into the terror campaign against the Christians? Just recently they burnt a Cathedral in Maharashtra, and last month a church in Bombay. A spate
    of church burnings in Delhi, just before the elections, last
    month. Should we go into Love Jihad ? Venkiah Naidu?
    Or Sadhvi Prachi? She of the ‘NO KHANS MOVIES’.
    So minorities evangelize? Where? In their basements ? In
    dark houses? See, the minorities in Hindustan are like the
    Christians during early Christianity. Outlawed and hunted down…..almost

    ET moderators, no foul language, here. This is the Hindu
    section, understood, …..if you censure don’t print.Recommend

  • https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=8559594100366660134#allposts Supriya Arcot

    I am not migrating any where . Why should I ?. If I like my home country , it does not mean that it has zero flaws. Its healthy to know one’s flaws and work towards the solution.Recommend

  • https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=8559594100366660134#allposts Supriya Arcot

    Err FK : Am flattered by the way you defend me man. Ind is my home country just like the way the undivided sub continent was the home country of my ancestors . We must identify our flaws irrespective of whichever part of the world we live . Our treatment of our minorities is one big lacuna in us .Recommend

  • faisal

    I dont agree at all , i mean what the problem in that a child is telling her mother to wear a burqa. From my point of view he is right and after all we are all Muslim here And the Pakistan is an Islamic StateRecommend

  • uzair

    Stereotyping much?Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    Did you read the word “grey” . And by the way , they came there to sermonize , in your case “forceful conversions” as a culture is so banal that it is not even much talked about in your own media. So Communal Muslim ,keep quietRecommend

  • Rana Eddy

    Oh !!! Why does your Pakistani “allegedly” secular muslim write more on Indian Muslims than Pakistan’s non-Muslims??Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    ” You will stand with a Hindu against a muslim 99% of the time”

    Not necessary . Indian newspapers be it The Hindu or The Indian Express, mostly written by Indian Hindus , talk about the plight of Indian Muslims more than Paksitani Hindus .
    And here too , the ET or DAWN talk more about Indian Muslims or say other non-PAk Muslims than Pakistani Hindus.
    The difference between India & Pakistan is not the difference of Hindu/Muslim Extremists , but the depth of Secularism in Indian Civil society , which is a multireligious society & the depth of the same in Pakistani Civil society —a homogenous Muslim society .Recommend

  • Miyagi Jr.

    “we value secular sciences more” Dude, Science is secular. there is no Islamic or christian sciences or Jewish or Hindu sciences. When Prophet said, seek knowledge even if you have to go to china, i am pretty sure He didn’t mean sacred knowledge.
    On the other hand, if Islam is peace, which it is indeed. Then instead of learning tafseer, fiqh etc why madrassa students are inclined to immense and intense hatred towards non-muslims, shias and other minorities? Why are they willing to blow themselves up and kill innocents, where do they learn all this? if not the madrassas then where? That is the question. If you are referring to mullahs as uneducated class, then i totally agree with you. Recommend

  • Khalid Shaikh
  • Miyagi Jr.

    Okay, so you read the Quran, and let me know if Quran states death penalty for apostasy, if Quran states death penalty for blasphemy etc. Because this is all I see, people killing others for blasphemy, apostasy and so forth. Why aren’t they learning to be modest, why aren’t they learning to be peaceful, why aren’t they learning to be truthful, why aren’t they learning to be friends with fellow human beings regardless of their faith or beliefs?? why not. But no, All they learn is to kill and hate one another just on the basis of religion, this is not Islam, but this is exactly what they are doing. We have given our religion on contract to the mullah, which in turn uses this to his own vested interests. I have never seen a mullah protesting on the streets about the moral degradation of our society, never.Recommend

  • L.

    WHERE??? Maybe you are more sensitive to that and notice it more? You ppl will complain whether we talk about the conflict in Palestine, about rapes in India or about the pyramids in egypt. We dont live to make you happy, so deal with it.

    The other day an indian was bagging out an author who wrote a blog comparing the two batsmen: Amla and Kohli. It was STRICTLY about their batting techniques and she full accused the author of putting Amla against Kohli in terms of their faith. You can see it here: http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/26455/rock-beats-scissors-hashim-amla-beats-virat-kohli/

    Who’s obsessed with religion now?Recommend

  • L.

    There is nothing, and I mean NOTHING wrong with a homogeneous society- whether it be of a particular faith or skin colour or lifestyle. People like to live with those who have similar values, look similar, talk similar.

    Dont talk about India and Pakistan like you know all about them. What is “projected” by the media is certainly NOT the opinion of each and every single person of that nationality.

    You are saying Pakistan is not a multi religious society? wahht?!

    And idk whether you choose to ignore it or you just havent come across them, but I have read countless comments from Indians who want an “all hindu” india.

    Also, if you are so against Pakistani websites talking about Indian muslims, then why do you ppl care for the plight of pakistani hindus? Oh maybe cos they are the same faith as you? vice versa.Recommend

  • Gul Zaman Ghorgasht

    Look what we have here, a chagrined hindu looking
    befuddled, repeating rote quotes memorized at the
    Shiv Sena weekly meeting. Heard they want all citizens
    to call in 3 times a day to prove their Hindu-ness. Ooops!
    Indian-ness You must be the poster boy for the Vishnu
    Hindu Parishad or is it the Venvashi Kalyan Ashram?Recommend

  • Yo2Da2

    Why not teach rational thinking skills that a modern “liberal” (versus madressah) education would provide. Then there would be no chance of misunderstand ding or misinterpreting anything.Recommend

  • Yo2Da2

    Yes, Hindutva based extremism is as bad as any other form and needs to be denounced vociferously by Hindus and all Indians. However, equating what is happening in India versus Pakistan (and in the larger Muslim world) is a tad naïve. Historically and theologically there are no comparisons. To a large extent, the events that led to the Partition and those following it have a large bearing on Hindutva thinking and action. After 1947, 30 million Indian Muslims (same number as in Pakistan, which was created for Indian Muslims) remained in India to the resentment of many of these right-wing folks now associated with Hindutva. This movement will be marginalized as Indian Muslims begin to take pride in being Indians first, and Muslims second. As water takes the path of least resistance, most people will take the path of peace not hatred as that takes more effort. People filled with hope cannot hate!Recommend

  • Uzair

    Don’t jump to conclusions. Where did @disqus_oMdOYNMEBU:disqus say that killing in the name of religion is permitted and/or mentioned in the Quran? He was pointing towards our superficial knowledge of Islam and how we term those who quote Quran and hadith for legislative reforms are termed ‘extremist, narrow-minded, backward, etc.’ And the ones criticizing them are either terrorists (ISIS, Boko Haram, etc.) and/or self-proclaimed ‘educated, liberals, progressives’. It is easy to draw hasty conclusions based on weak assumptions, if one does not delve deep into the religious sciences of tafsir, usool-ul-fiqh, sarf, nahw, etc. This is being done by people from both ends of the spectrum. I hope this clarifies things?Recommend

  • Rohit

    There is a saying -‘begani shadi mein abdulla deewana’. That is attitude of you and the NRI. The article was about Pakistani children being brainwashed by Mullahs. But some Indians or Indian NRIs had to drag India into this. All minorities have all the rights as Hindus (on par with western world). We have had numerous Muslim Presidents, CMs, Governors and captains of industry. For God’s sake, we give subsidies to Muslims for Haj. There are few rotten apples, but that does not mean we are all out to get minorities in India. Now compare that with Pakistan where Hindus have been wiped out or forced to convert. Hindu businessman are routinely kidnapped for ransom and their young daughters for conversion by some Mullah. But who would care for Hindus. After all they are weak and inferior human beings.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    The funny thing is, I never spoke about Pakistan or India. I simply stated that an extremist should be judged based on being an extremist, and his/her actions; the so called “religion” the person follows is unimportant in determining who is “worse”.

    And yes, I agree with your final statement.Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    Yes there is nothing wrong with a homogenous society but the fact is that you became homogenous from once a heterogenous . Also , being homogenous society how do you know that how heterogenous societies are : I mean if there are clashes btw Hindus & Muslims , there are also great friendships & brotherhoods or best marriages too between some Hindus & Muslims. But your media deliberately covers the former & esp. when muslims are at the receiving end of Hindu extremists …..it writes hardly about when hindus are at receiving end of Muslim extremists.
    Do you know , why does your media & intellectuals do that?? I hope you can guess.
    Worst is when we see dearth of writing on PAk non-Muslims in Pakistani newspapers.Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    “Maybe you remember Aligarh Muslim University debacle 2 months ago?”
    That was Aligarh —the city , not AMU –the university.Recommend

  • Fareed Khan Afridi

    Respect your opinion. And your viewpoint. Wish they can
    clone you. That will balance the jingoists in your motherland.Recommend

  • Fareed Khan Afridi.

    By the way, for your info, am not Land of the Pure domiciled.
    Just ethnic and cultural connections. As you mentioned..
    [more strongly so to Hunza/Kalash]Recommend

  • Rebellious

    the first objection is why is there picture of a boy reciting Quran … are u giving us a message that these type of people are extremist???? the people i hate are the Desi liberals ..Recommend

  • MastKalandar

    Abel…your assessment is based on propaganda spread by anti-modi media in Cahoots with the Indian National Congress dispensation! Yes I do admit, that the points you have mentioned did happen…BUT nowhere close to the magnitude that the media has projected otherwise. A gharwapasi incident takes place claiming 50 people were converted, later on its found out that it was a stunt by the Hindu Groups themselves to rable rouse so that the government introduces anti-conversion law which may help to stop HINDUS from getting converted to Christianity by the missionaries, who promise the converts a direct path to heaven OR Muslim guys converting Hindu girls by marrying them. These things are very common thing in INDIA unlike the opposite that happens in PAKISTAN! One or two churches had been vandalised but the media blew it out of proportion and made it look as if a church is being attacked everyday…just to stick their agenda…infact the latest rape of a nun which the media blamed on the hindu fringe has now been traced to illegal Bangladeshi immigrants who were a part of a land mafia trying to snatch property from a christian school very near to the India & Bangladesh border. I should tell you that the minority in India is the most Vocal & Vociferous lot, specially with the backing of a completely left-liberal anti-modi leaning media. The fact that Pakistan’s 6% hindu population since Independence has shrunk to less than 1% as of today while India’s Muslim Population of less than 9% since Independence stands at 14.5% SAYS IT ALL! Muslims population growth rate in India is way higher than the average growth rate of all communities. And lastly, the term secularism has been given a different meaning and definition in India hence the most fashionable thing to do in India today is “HINDU BASHING”! Can you even dream of doing this in Pakistan…leave aside actually doing it???Recommend

  • MastKalandar

    I Agree with you…Hook Line n Sinker!!Recommend

  • MastKalandar

    Ofcourse an extremist is an extremist…but there has to be a definition of what extremism is.
    Hindu extremists in India burn Movie posters or vandalise movie halls & book stores which contain anti-hindu content vis-a-vis muslim extremists engage in man-slaughter for probably a similar reason. Are these two acts the same in nature & gravity??? Please apply your jurisprudence rationally and decide whether both deserve a “death sentence” ???Recommend

  • MastKalandar

    I have replied to your point above…plz go through itRecommend

  • L.

    Yes, I agree that pakistan needs to fix itself up and give equal rights to all its citizens, regardless of their faiths; but I would cut the media some slack, they DO show friendships among the two groups and even welcomes and encourages talks between the two populations. The government doesn’t do that! Recommend

  • نائلہ

    Err where abouts? Recommend

  • Uzair

    This response is filled with fallacies and over-generalizations. For example: ” Because this is all I see, people killing others for blasphemy, apostasy and so forth.” These simplistic arguments and over the top statements need to be checked for our own sake. Whose fault is this: “We have given our religion on contract to the mullah, which in turn uses this to his own vested interests. I have never seen a mullah protesting on the streets about the moral degradation of our society, never.” As you correctly pointed out that we have done all of these things. Because we (the educated ones) are more interested in more worldly pursuits, we have delegated all the religious aspects to others. Blaming mullahs or other groups is easy and futile. Taking responsibility and acting to make it right is the difficult part.Recommend

  • Uzair

    Science is secular? Here’s the definition from oxford dictionary: Definition of science in English: A systematically organized body of knowledge on any particular subject, archaic knowledge of any kind. Dude, get your facts right first and then make those overblown statements. Your biases are reflected in your statements: “Then instead of learning tafseer, fiqh etc why madrassa students are inclined to immense and intense hatred towards non-muslims, shias and other minorities?” and “If you are referring to mullahs as uneducated class, then i totally agree with you.” If being educated entails making these biased statements, fallacious argument and over-generalizations, then I don’t want to be called ‘educated’Recommend

  • Uzair

    Spot on. Completely agreedRecommend

  • Uzair

    How can DNA evidence prove that the intercourse has been consensual or forced? Do you know about Holy Prophet’s (pbuh) authentic narrations about music? These utterly ignorant statements need to stop for our own sake. You don’t even know the object of your criticism. Please refrain from misguiding the readers. Thank youRecommend

  • Uzair

    You are right @faisal. However, the ‘liberals, educated and progressives’ do not want any advice because Shariah restricts their lifestyle and suffocates them. The whole idea of an Islamic state seems to terrorize our liberal fellows. Everyone seems to have their own fancy ideologies to fall back on these days and celebrate the individual liberties to the fullest. No room for these advice lies in the secular framework. Empty gestures and high sounding rhetoric dominate their evaluative spaceRecommend

  • Waleed Hasan

    the first objection is why is there a picture of a man smoking in your dp….are you giving us a message that these type of people are only ‘rebellious’?
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  • Melange

    Yes, extremism in any country is bad. However, I feel that Hindu extremists in India are not from religious organizations or priests. They are purely political organizations. You’ll not find a child going to a temple and being brainwashed by the pandit. Whereas Muslim extremists in both India and Pakistan are fuelled by local Islamic schools and Mullahs. This is a challenge facing the whole of the Muslim world. Islam is in need of a reformation (similar to the one that reformed the Catholic church).Recommend

  • Ashraf

    If you belief in evolution then you are not a muslim. If you believe in Theory of Relativity then you are not a muslim. There is Secular science and Muslim science understand the difference.Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    ” Love Jihad ”

    In India , despite that capaign all kinds of inter-religious marriages happen :
    1) Where both the spouses keep their religion.
    2) Where a spouse from majority religion converts to minority religion.
    3) Where a spouse from minority religion converts to majority religion.

    In your “Pure” country , only the third thing happens ,& not the first two ; also Pakistan has always been notorious regarding forceful conversion & yet you hypocrites are chagrined about “Love Jihad” & “Lured conversions” in India . Any Comments??
    Your Muslim media (read ET or DAWN) is obsessed with “Muslim” things. Thus while it would cry foul about what Hindu Communalists & talk endlessly about Indian Muslims ; it plays “Obscurantist” when talking about Pakistan’s own non-Muslims —why is far worse than an Indian Muslim community as a whole. A reason why I call it “Muslim media” , depsite it being a non-religious newspaper.
    There are so many elite Secular Indians whom you invite to PAkistan , do not you “wannabes” learn anything from that.Recommend

  • Khalid Shaikh

    OMG,lol, consent or forced is not even the issue here. The issue is identifying the one or more people who raped a woman. And about music, even the national anthem is played with music in the background, would you say its haram then??
    (music, arts, acting etc) is called culture.
    If one has to listen to music all the time and cannot live without music then he/she needs to see a doctor. one doesn’t have to be addicted to such things, everything should be in its limts. Quran has clearly guided us into what is haram, and music is certainly not one of them.Recommend

  • Khalid Shaikh

    Yeah, you are absolutely right “Taking responsibility and acting to make it right is the difficult part” Dude, have you even tried taking responsibility. I did, i had to leave the country for my children’s sake. Lets start off from Blasphemy and apostasy. Can you please tell me where it says in the Quran that Blasphemy and Apostasy are punishable by death? if yes, please tell me where it says in the Quran, if not. Then please The educated One, take the responsibility and tell the Mullah of your closest mosque that it is not punishable at all by death or any physical punishment, and then, just wait for the angry mob to come and(God forbid) lynch you alive.
    All i am saying is, how can you even try and take responsibility to make things right in a country which kill first and asks questions later.Recommend

  • Khalid Shaikh

    Oh the wise one, please tell me, what is the difference between secular science and Islamic science? with at least a couple of examples for this ignorant one. I will be forever thankful to you.Recommend

  • Miyagi Jr.

    I can also type “Definition of Science” in Google. and will come up with something like you found. but you still haven’t answered any of my questions, and marked it as over-generalization! Can you please, and if you want to, not forcing you to, please tell me, why the madrassas not producing Islamic scientists? since you differentiate between secular and islamic sciences, Why the madrassas haven’t solved the power crisis, economic crisis, social crisis so far? I know , you will blame the government. So tell me, what good have the madrassas done so far for the country then? Are the madrassas doing charitable work? Are they doing disaster relief work? Are they helping the sick, the poor, the unfortunate ones of our society? Why the madrassa students don’t lynch rapists, kidnappers, murderer, child abusers, extortionists, land grabbers etc? Why do they not lynch people selling dead donkey meat? com’on man, for God sake be realistic for once, What are the madrassas good for other then mindlessly memorizing the Quran,
    Please, before brushing aside everything i said with Over-generalization, Just answer at least one of my queries, otherwise don’t bother.Recommend

  • Khalid Shaikh

    hmm, so you guys are tag teaming me now lol.
    So who is going to dig deep in your so-called religious sciences of tafseer, fiqh etc for the problems the country is facing at hand?
    You do not have to dig deep to find out that death or any physical punishment for blasphemy or apostasy are un-Islamic concepts and nowhere to be found in the Holy Quran. so why do we have blasphemy laws in Pakistan? for what reason?Recommend

  • Rebellious

    Well that is a sketch of Che Guevara and yeah he was rebellious …. and for you thats my dp it represents me not anybody else…Recommend

  • Khalid Shaikh

    Ashraf bhai, my earlier reply to you got deleted by the mods, dont know why, all I asked was, to enlighten me and tell me the difference between Islamic sciences and secular sciences, with at least a couple of examples.Recommend

  • Khalid Shaikh

    All my replies to you got removed by the mods.nothing offensive at all. but somehow the mods didnt like what i said.Recommend

  • Khalid Shaikh

    Once again, the mods have proved that one cannot question the mullah. If you do, you comment will get deleted.Recommend

  • Khalid Shaikh

    What a sorry state of Tribune, and i thought DAWN.com did the worst censorship of free thinking.Recommend

  • Miyagi Jr.

    Yeah, you are absolutely right “Taking responsibility and acting to make it right is the difficult part” Dude, have you even tried taking responsibility. I did, i had to leave for my children’s sake. Lets start off from Blasphemy and apostasy. Can you please tell me where it says in the Quran that Blasphemy and Apostasy are punishable by death? if yes, please tell me where it says in the Quran, if not. Then please the educated One, take the responsibility and tell the Mullah of your closest mosque, or if you are living abroad, that, it is not punishable at all by death or any physical punishment, and then, just wait for the angry mob to come and(God forbid) hurt you in any way.
    All i am saying is, how can you even try and take responsibility to make things right in a country which kills first and asks questions later.Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    ” Love Jihad ”

    In India , despite that capaign all kinds of inter-religious marriages happen :
    1) Where both the spouses keep their religion.
    2) Where a spouse from majority religion converts to minority religion.
    3) Where a spouse from minority religion converts to majority religion.

    In your “Pure” country , only the third thing happens ,& not the first two ; also Pakistan has always been notorious regarding forceful conversion & yet you hypocrites are chagrined about “Love Jihad” & “Lured conversions” in India . Any Comments??
    Your Muslim media (read ET or DAWN) is obsessed with “Muslim” things. Thus while it would cry foul about what Hindu Communalists & talk endlessly about Indian Muslims ; it plays “Obscurantist” when talking about Pakistan’s own non-Muslims —which is far worse than an Indian Muslim community as a whole. A reason why I call it “Muslim media” , depsite it being a non-religious newspaper.
    There are so many elite Secular Indians whom you invite to PAkistan , do you learn anything from that.Recommend