Confessions of a comment moderator at The Express Tribune’s blogs page

Published: November 29, 2014
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More often than not, this debate turns into an emotional rant of who did what in 1947.

The first time I moderated comments, for the blogs section of The Express Tribune, I learnt a sad truth; people have unabashed hatred for one another. I couldn’t believe until I saw it myself.

Perhaps I was living in a bubble, I thought we had come a long way from partition and that Pakistanis and Indians had learnt to coexist. I didn’t think that Muslims and Hindus cringed at the very mention of the other.

It wasn’t long before, I started moderating comments flooding in from around the world and, my idealistic bubble burst. Our blog readers belong to the educated class. These are people who have the capacity to read pieces of writing and then partake in a healthy, intellectual debate.

More often than not, this debate turns into an emotional rant of who did what in 1947, who said what in British India, whose criminals are worse in the war on terror and which country is better than the other in the eyes of the Western media. Everyone brings up their defensive guards and comes up with the worst possible things you can say to hurt each other… and all for what?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with taking part in a discussion and expressing your opinion in a comment. You are an educated individual and you have the right to have your opinion heard. But is it absolutely necessary that to make your point valid, you have to demean the person you are arguing with? If the article is about the sexual abuse of young children, do you have say that my country is better because the incidents of sexual abuse are lesser than that in your country? How does that, in any way, make sexual abuse any less horrendous? Open your minds a little and talk about the incredibly serious topic at hand that needs more attention than mere comparative statistic of crimes.

Also, my dear commenters, not every person who manages to prove you wrong is ‘paid’ by some secret service agent belonging to your ‘rival’ country. No one is paid to humiliate you; all of you do that completely on your own. If you do not like what someone is saying, then come back with a strong argument; don’t accuse them of being bought by this agency and that agency.

To my dear Indian commentators I would like to say, Gandhi was a man of stature on his own, you don’t need to belittle Jinnah to make Gandhi seem any better than he was.

And to my dear Muslims I would like to say, if you claim that Islam is a religion of peace then why do you not feel the urge to defend it by practicing it? By bringing up acts committed by those of other faiths, saying ‘look they’re just as bad as us’ you are not doing Islam any favours!

My question to these commenters is: what is the point of us being educated when our minds remain small as ever? What was the point of us studying history in school when we cannot learn from the mistakes of our forefathers? They say, with education comes awareness and tolerance, but what is its purpose if we still fail to look beyond borders, religion, colour, race and language?

Perhaps, I was too naive in the first place, to think that the enmity between India and Pakistan was only limited to the cricket pitch. I was wrong to think that maybe, younger generations will rise above the divide our forefathers created decades ago. I was wrong, because judging from the disgust emanating from the words of our literate lot, Pakistan and India will always remain the kind of neighbours that only rise when the other’s head is deep in the ground.

Sonal Arshad Siraj

Sonal Arshad Siraj

A student of psychology and social sciences, who likes to eat and write in that order. She tweets @Sonal_arshad (twitter.com/Sonal_arshad?lang=en)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Jasvinder Singh Marwaha

    Very well written.Recommend

  • Parvez

    It gives me comfort to know that my comments…….and I do comment a lot………are policed by someone like you…….and no, I’m not being a ‘ suck up ‘ .Recommend

  • Murthy

    As an Indian, I used to read ET and Dawn regularly just to know what the other side’s views are, but not any more. I am disgusted with the slanging match of words, often dragging in matters unrelated to the debate. Nowadays my visits to the newspaper websites are less frequent, and except this comment, my comments very rare.Recommend

  • vaqas

    If three wars and continuous skirmishes along the border have not opened your eyes to the existential threat ( real or perceiced) that one feels by the other, then my friend you are the one with your head buried in the sand. But if you wish to argue that to make oneself better is the best response, then I am with you. But do not under any circumstances imagine your enemies are your friends, for that will be the death of you.Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    well I can link at least one article where Both Pakistanis and Indians agreed. The polio fiasco from earnest dempsey khan. I think 100% of the comments ,both Indians and Pakistanis ,agreed with each other.Recommend

  • sharabi

    A small correction madam, Gandhi & Nehru both planted a sapling which ultimately turn out to be an Acacia tree, Let me take this opportunity to tell you on the behalf of millions of Indians.
    WE DON’T LIKE GANDHI & NEHRU, our real hero are Sardar Patel, Pandit Azad, Bislim, Ashfaq Ulla Khan, Roshan, Lahari etcRecommend

  • Abyss

    boo hoo hoo!
    Arguments have emotions attached to them and this is nothing new. One can not expect fact based discussions all the time. If you can not deal with it, perhaps Vulcan is the place for you.Recommend

  • American

    The comment makers usually argue and fight with the person making the comment…i.e. they demonize the messenger (and his mother, sister, wife, etc.,) instead of commenting on the contents of the message/article/blog/comment.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    ……and your effort in trying to put some sense into his head, deserves a clap :)Recommend

  • نائلہ

    I find Dawn to be cleaner than ET for some reason….Recommend

  • L.

    From one Pakistani to another Vaqas, lets try to be the bigger people and think positively- like you said: make yourself better. Yes, the danger is looming 24/7, but do the two populations deserve this? This unrest, this mistrust on our own species? Lets try and accept the fact that our country cannot be moved and placed somewhere else on the globe like a piece of Lego.

    Your name being Vaqas, I am presuming you are Muslim. How did the Holy Prophet treat his haters? With love. With kindness. Because He knew that one pleases God by treating His creation with love.

    Im not saying “love India” or even “trust India”, all I am saying is, “give Indians a chance”. Not all of them are like that. And at the end of the day, you have done your part. The rest is up to them; and if they repulse you, their loss!Recommend

  • ab1990

    What a joke!! Sorry but you have no idea what mindset of indians is at all. We are totally different than pakistan. Never ever make an assumption indians and pakistanis are the same. Pakistan culture is totally different than indian culture.

    And one more thing, no one in india has been attacked for polio vaccination where as in pakistan many are dead already.Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius
  • G. Din

    Author: Your clarifications about moderators’ guidelines in allowing or disallowing a comment gives me no clue why my comments are “moderated” out in a routine manner. My comments are always based on historical facts. I have concluded that the fate of my comments is closely tied to ordinary Pakistani’s aversion to historical facts ( because in most cases they are embarrassing) which he/she hides behind all manners of conspiracies.Recommend

  • L.

    Our cultures may not be the exact same, but they are similar. Cant believe someone can think otherwise!Recommend

  • Dr Robert K

    @Sharabi, you have the admirable capacity of a drunk to mix sense and non-sense without hesitation. You have chosen your nom de guerre wisely!Recommend

  • wb

    You have a severe lack of understanding of several things.

    1) Sternly edited or moderated doesn’t mean clean.

    2) Excuses does not amount to explanations. (I’m talking about your nonsensical excuses for my criticism of Quran.)Recommend

  • wb

    ” How did the Holy Prophet treat his haters? With love. With kindness.
    Because He knew that one pleases God by treating His creation with love.”

    64 battles equal to love?

    Even Hitler will bow down to your illogical logic.

    “And at the end of the day, you have done your part. The rest is up to them; and if they repulse you, their loss!”

    Hahaha! Loss? The last time I checked it was your compatriots living in a hopeless failing state.

    Our loss? Does delusion has a different meaning in Pakistan? . My god, even Ahmadis are delusional.Recommend

  • TheAverageMoe

    You forgot to confess how moderators on ET and other Left-wing Pakistani publications are heavily biased in favor of Indian commenters, whereas Pakistani commenters rarely get their comments published even if it’s in response to a bigoted comment, and because of that there’s evidently a very Pro-Indian/Anti-Pakistan narrative in the comment section.Recommend

  • ab1990

    of course since their comment section is terrible where no conversation can take place.Recommend

  • Faraz Talat

    As a liberal blogger who frequently berates Pakistan for its social and political failures, I do so entirely out of love and a desire to see things change.

    I don’t do it to supply ammo to jingoists from across the border; those who like me for my anti-Pakistan rants, but can’t handle a fraction of that criticism directed to India’s own obvious failures. I wrote a detailed blog about this problem some time ago.

    I am saddened by the displays of nationalism by Pakistanis and Indians in comments that get published; I don’t dare think about the hateful comments that don’t get published.

    Thank you for your patient moderation.

    Recommend

  • Milind A

    Maam – Some of my comments have been censored before, just for stating the facts… A couple of these were published were later withdrawn… Again these were not hateful, but I suspect these touched upon a few sensitive subjects – role of agencies, KSA’s role in the Egyptian crisis, ISI’s relationship with Mossad etc, some of these are probably censored by your agencies…Recommend

  • Prashant

    “To my dear Indian commentators I would like to say, Gandhi was a man of stature on his own, you don’t need to belittle Jinnah to make Gandhi seem any better than he was.”

    I see many Indians on ET which includes me asking questions regarding the direct action call given by Jinnah, I see nothing wrong in that and that is not belittling Jinnah either, Jinnah, as I said in the past is a one of the great statesmen produced by undivided India but a country like India better avoid producing another statesman of his kind.

    I agree with most of what you have written though Sonal.

    You go to some other sites to comment and you see people literally abusing each other which makes one feel if they have moderators at all, so yes you are doing a great job.Recommend

  • Prashant

    I will go along with you on this one bro but the same people on another blog would be insulting each other by getting into an argument regarding who is the champion of rapes, polio and HIV virus.Recommend

  • Anonymous

    Well the anonymity of internet makes people behave in ways they would not in real life. Having been part of real life indian and Pakistani interactions, I have usually witnessed much cordiality, and often a sense of camaraderie and care. The sense of competition or disregard that shows up on internet is just a play of the negative side that we all hide and usually suppress in real lives. That’s what I like to believe.Recommend

  • Prashant

    Good one bro :)Recommend

  • Zee

    So you are one of the moderators who actually allows indian to write whatever they want while defending / responding to these comments in a same manner is not allowed. I myself is a victim of such an attitude and instead of writing blog, you need to focus on your policing first.Recommend

  • Riya

    You have an enviable job, but an unenviable task — of wading your way through reams if mutually hurled invectives, all in the name of religion and patriotism! Food for thought for one who loves food!Recommend

  • numbersnumbers

    I would note that comments falsely claiming to know of “dozens of indian consulates along the afghan/pak border” are somehow passed by the moderators, while any attempt to counter those claims with facts (only four Indian consulates in Afghanistan) are somehow moderated out!
    This speaks to personal biases by moderatores!Recommend

  • Zee

    Tsk tsk tsk. Sad, sad article that has just generalized every single person who comments on this forum. One of my closest, most dearest friend is a commenter on ET Blogs, she is Hindu and Indian. I am Muslim and Pakistani. We became Pen Pals having seen and loved each other’s comments here.
    You can’t paint every visitor of this page with the same ugly stroke of a brush.
    Recommend

  • Ernest Dempsey

    Thanks for the very important and interesting blog. I can
    definitely see the point and experienced it earlier this month when ET
    published my article on safety of polio vaccination. And I say it’s not always
    so bad. Let e explain how.
    On my article at once, a few of the commenters went into
    defensive mode and tried to use insults as well as made-up stats and then some
    to try to win the argument. One of them claimed there were millions of polio sufferers prior to vaccine’s arrival and despite my repeated asking for a source backing up his claim, he kept twisting and twirling the verbiage including personal insults. Ultimately he left without providing a source. But that was not totally a
    crappy experience because that showed me how some people create fiction in
    order to be able to continue to live in delusion. That experience led to my
    article “The Millions of Polio Sufferers Who Never Existed” – published on
    Digital Journal and has been shared about 300 times on social media as well as
    some very popular heath-related sites. So ultimately it leads to opportunities
    to learn and show facts.Recommend

  • Parvez

    In my view the on-line version of Dawn’s priority seems to be focused more on shielding its image…….while in fact it should be on airing the viewpoints of both sides…..and it loses out on that score.Recommend

  • Ghostrider

    Problem with indian readers is that their mainstream papers are glorified tabloid filled bollywood masala. So its natural they come to our websites to get quality content and then in fits of frustration they vent out like their movie villains.Recommend

  • wiserneighbour

    I have noticed very few balanced blogs appear in ET.Otherwise it is India bashing always.Pls do understand that India is not responsible for all of pakistan’s ills.So naturally when distorted history and biased blogs served,Indians react.Recommend

  • Adil Uddin

    I am a Pakistani myself and a number of times my own comments were moderated and I mean filtered out despite me not using a single abusive word. Despite all issues, I would say that environment in the comments section of ET and Dawn are 100 times better than what we see in Times Of India comments section. Pakistanis are often welcomes with prejudiced attitude saying that Pakistan is such a country that has got no news website of forums of their own, in short comments on behalf of Pakistanis are not welcomed over there. Plus any article that relates to Pakistan , Islam or Muslims attract tremendous amounts of abusive and hateful remarks in the comments section. Apart from that , TOI and certain other media outlets in India never leave a single chance to humiliate Pakistan.

    And then many Indians come over here and say that you Pakistan and India are poles apart and not comparable, stick to your own nation. OK then why are you so much obsessed with Pakistan?

    On both sides there are indeed many jingoists who have got a narrow mindset. There are many immature comments on behalf of Pakistani readers too who stereotype every Indian or Hindu.Personally, I live in Canada and have got Indian, Sri Lankan and Bangladeshi friends too, so don’t call me a prejudiced person. My observation is that once you travel abroad and interact with people from other nations and races then certain stereotypes do vanish and we start thinking with a broader spectrum.Recommend

  • Rahul

    You are asking the wrong question. The more biased the commentary, the more vicious the comments are going to be. The question you should be asking is that what was it about the commentator that got the readers hackles up. ET should be asking the question that if a commentator is attracting vicious comments, is the commentary worth publishing in the first place.Recommend

  • Prakash

    I will like to know how come sometime same comments are published twice but my comments are invariably blocked when I do not abuse anyone in my comment .Sometime when the Author has raised some issues may be about India then I just point out the fact as I know- I do not think there is any thing wrong about it.I just try to acquaint the narrative of otherside on particular issue.Recommend

  • hp kumar

    Im not saying “love India” or even “trust India”, all I am saying is, “give Indians a chance”. Not all of them are like that. And at the end of the day, you have done your part. The rest is up to them; and if they repulse you, their loss..My take :-/Recommend

  • The Truth

    Very well said. But can’t help.Pakistan is source of pure evil in Indian subcontinent.Recommend

  • Riya

    You have an enviable job, and an unenviable task — of wading through reams of words spewing hatred. Food for thought and good luck.Recommend

  • Rohan

    How can anybody agree with a country like Pakistan, where girls going to school are shot,polio workers are murdered and jihadist warriors are looked upon as heroesRecommend

  • Jamshed Rustomjee

    All teary eyed and choked at this passionate appeal. With all due
    respect this not 680 AD. The world has changed. The maxim : you
    get slapped on one cheek you present the other, is not a viable option.
    It comes in handy in civics, for 6 years old. The Holy Prophet[PBUH]
    ‘treated his haters with love’ Exactly. because he was a Prophet. Not
    a common every day garden variety Pakistani or Hindustani. Average
    normal people, the great masses simply do not have this empathy. Or
    the wherewithal. They are reactive. It has to do with education too.
    Education diminishes your ignorance. At least forces you to question.
    However, masses on both sides are illiterate,…in triplicate.Recommend

  • Ram

    Confession of commenter
    I confess I come to ET and Dawn only to read comment sections, yes I am disappointed by some comments however it gives me somewhat without biased media what exactly people from Pakistan think about it and I should say I am pleasantly surprised to know people across the order are very similar despite claims made that we are different.

    I am also disappointed by some of Indian comments and hatred they have despite growing up in a open and secular country, some of us usually ignore them as fundamental minority but I am too concerned that there is number is growingRecommend

  • ram

    To answer your question to commenters, firs I would like to clarify that you are making assumption that everyone is educated(knowing English Language and getting college degrees is not equal to education) our history is fabricated and meant to brainwash. Our behavior is by design. If you don’t believe me, google India and Pakistan defense budget and add them (roughly 40+7 Billion dollars) friendship among us mens someone is will be loosing 50B business, it only requires a small fraction to fund a jihadist group to attack one another.Recommend

  • Nero

    Dear Sonal: I find it intriguing that inspite of all positive statements you still end up juxtaposing Indians and Muslims (a proxy for Pakistan?). It is imperative that the confusion between religion and nationality is reduced, not exacerbated.Recommend

  • sajid imran khan

    Very well written.
    Actually the point is whether people educated or not they dare to defend their countries prestigious leaders. On 1947 bloodshed on both sides and the heatred can never be change into love.Recommend

  • KJ

    India has an army of paid bloggers, they present good face of india to the world their government should spend money on actually eliminating poverty rather than eliminating critics over blogsRecommend

  • Gul Zaman Gorgosht

    How can you have this hindu berating the Prophet {PBUH}?
    Insulting, by saying the Prophet {PBUH} fought or instigated
    64 wars therefore he was incapable of feeling love for his haters? This hindu is hate mongering, belittling the Prophet
    {PBUH} and you allow it?? This is exactly the reason your
    moderators are considered PRO INDIA. And biased towards
    Muslims and Pakistan. This hindu ‘wb’ has done it many many
    time and you keep allowing him to post these derogatory comments about the Prophet. This has been brought to your attention many many times. And your moderators still keep doing it? What is wrong with you at ET??
    We will report this to CII.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    “You have a severe lack of understanding of several things”- who doesn’t?

    1. Clean as in what we see.
    2. Says the guy who uses the excuse “ET wont pass it”. You need to ask a question, wb, for it to be answered. How old are you, 9? -.0Recommend

  • نائلہ

    I rarely comment on dawn, but lol, Indians seem nicer than they do on ET dont they :)

    And truly if “clean”, proper views are put forward on the internet from both sides, debates which contribute positively to the understanding of the “other” can be held. But thats only possible if people actually want to learn something. Close minded and intolerant people just fuel the fire and waste time.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    Hmm. Dont most blogs try to deviate the perception of Pakistanis that India is involved in so and so?Recommend

  • نائلہ

    Aaww <3

    But im pretty sure she didnt mean to say every commentator is like that. Recommend

  • نائلہ

    Thy wish has been fulfilled!Recommend

  • Ivar the Driver

    ” “what is the point of us being educated when our minds remain small as
    ever? What was the point of us studying history in school when we cannot
    learn from the mistakes of our forefathers?”
    As far as I know (based on the articles and commentaries on internet):
    1. History taught in Pakistani schools (formative years of any thinking brain) is highly distorted and have been revised in order to bring it in congruence with the national narrative of “Hindu”-stan (I prefer India/Bharath) being the enemy no. 1, the existential threat to Pakistan.
    2. You have been taught from a very early age about the necessity and relevance if “Two-Nation- Theory” (which is divisive to the core).
    3. Any politician/think tank/writer who ever spoke in favour of India or pointed out flaws of running a country on military whims has been actively branded as the Traitor/American-Stooge/on CIA-RAW Payroll/CIA-RAW operative. and media has played its expected role in amplification of such beliefs.

    The first two points have majorly contributed to the third point and other expected outcomes of such brain-wash of an education.

    As far as comments on the issues of “sexual-abuse” goes that again show cases a poorly formed minds. they fail to understand that frequent reporting of such instances is also an act towards improvement. In a way your are giving voices to those who have bee voiceless until recently. you are giving them and population in general a hope that a crime like this won’t go unnoticed and unpunished. To me this scenario is much more appealing to a situation where absence of reporting is construed as the absence of Crime.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    “hatred can never be change into love.”
    Havent you seen any rom-coms?Recommend

  • نائلہ

    Faith in humanity restored.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    ….even the residents of that country dont agree with these, for its their OWN population which is at risk.

    And no one is asking you to agree with Pakistan.Recommend

  • Ivar the Driver

    Perhaps you are talking about some part of India. It might come as surprise to you, but given the diversity and size of this nation it will be foolish to make a sweeping statements such as yours. But the good news is that cultural similarity/dissimilarity is not that big an issue in our society today.Recommend

  • L.

    If TOI and others are presenting this image of their country, then clearly thats what they want to display of their people. And I would like to say: Many Indians are damn uneducated on what Pakistanis are like. Even those who live in the in western societies. I have had some tell me of what crap they thought of us until they met one from our country. The media indeed plays such a strong part, thats it just sad.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    We are not perfect of course, but as Muslims, we are to follow what He did. But I completely agree with your educational stance.Recommend

  • Nabeel Khan

    What makes sense for ET going forward is to mandate facebook/twitter as mandated logins for posting comments. Anonymous comments makes people more rowdy than usual which is why Youtube shifted its comments over to Google Plus!Recommend

  • hp kumar

    you r also among the persons who always wants to listen stuffs what they like…isnt it??Indian Commentators on dawn donot speak their mind .They put their comment in a way so as to please moderator coz they know otherwise they would be banned forever,,It has happened with me and many others..Even this website is not free enough for discussion..When I started visiting this website,scenario was not as bad as it is now..Freedom of expression has been severely cut down for whatever reason.I also must tell you,I donot like indians visiting pakistani news website..somehow people have a feeling that you r doing a favor by allowing our comments.I have seen commentators getting thrashed getting called as dogs for some silly reason.no pl donot have a mistake .Nobody here is from poor family.what you pakistanis and we indians will get with such a verbal exchange of words..We r already on each other throats atleast in the eyes of foreigners..Such a vile hateful exchange of word only is going to increase animosity b/w two countries.So for now i have stopped taking part into any kind of serious debate except few lighter comments for time pass..Recommend

  • نائلہ

    I have met and befriended Indians from the south, north and west. The only part which is left is the east, so I am not the foolish one here. Differences in them include language, religion, foods they eat to some extent. Now what is this drastic difference in culture you speak about?Recommend

  • Real Truth

    Urdu Milan, the problem is that mostly what you call ‘history’ is seen as (slanderous) ideology and deliberate distortion by us and often, by the rest of of the sane world. Let me give you an example. If you or your ‘founding fathers’ claim that Pakistan was formed because Muslims and Hindus or Muslims and non-Muslims could not live with each other, then obviously, you invite rebuttals. Recommend

  • Ahsan Kamal

    What I find intriguing is that there are very few Pakistani commentators on indian websites but scores of indians visit Pakistani websites and post comments even when the topic under discussion has nothing to do with india. Perhaps we won’t be able to live in peace till we learn to mind our own business.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    You did not read my comment did you?Recommend

  • نائلہ

    Allah has called them “Summun bukmun umyun”. Don’t bother man, these individuals dont deserve the time :)Recommend

  • نائلہ

    But everyone wants to hear stuff they like dont they? And no, I am not from those who ignore the truth.

    So are u saying the whole “nice indians on dawn” is just a façade, nothing real? You do know that it cannot be true right? There are Indians who genuinely like Pakistan and Pakistanis.

    Freedom of expression has been cut down everywhere dude, not just the internet. Enjoy your rights while still you have the time.

    No one is doing anyone a favour by passing comments, its a human right. Indians who comment without hatred and abusiveness are dealt with respect by most Pakistanis. But you people have to remember, we are human too; and if things get out of hand, have some decency to step back. This should be running vice versa.

    And btw what did your previous comment to me mean?Recommend

  • Ram

    You need to accept the fact that we live in borderless society with advancement of internet and media 67 years ago separating a thousands of years old civilization is turned to be a poor vision.

    I visit pakistani news media to verify claims made by our Media, In India we know our media is biased so as in pakistan, this will help us make up our own mind, you live in internet age Delhi seems to be more closer to newyork than lahore one should accept this factRecommend

  • hp kumar

    Let me answer you one by one..

    But everyone wants to hear stuff they like dont they? Then why r you on comment section simply wasting your time as you know what is coming your way..have ever gotten into group discussion??They will not let you simply pass on..

    “So are u saying the whole “nice indians on dawn” is just a façade, nothing real? You do know that it cannot be true right? There are Indians who genuinely like Pakistan and Pakistanis.”

    Who can know Indians better than fellow Indian..How it can be possible to have stark difference b/w one commenting at dawn and other at ET??.Let ET moderators tighten the noose ,you will find even lesser commentator with more comments soothing your ear:-)
    one who is commenting on pakistani newspaper may have some kind of affinity with you guys since they r not entirely ignorant about you..Indians who never met a pakitani r not very prudent about you people ,Needless to say that Most of them have negative perception about pakistan.So stop judging people on the basis of comments..I may look rude to you but you never know how would i behave when you r going to meet me personally.

    “Freedom of expression has been cut down everywhere dude, not just the internet. Enjoy your rights while still you have the time.”

    i agree..This is symbol of growing intolerance for freedom of speech
    “No one is doing anyone a favour by passing comments, its a human right. Indians who comment without hatred and abusiveness are dealt with respect by most Pakistanis. But you people have to remember, we are human too; and if things get out of hand, have some decency to step back. This should be running vice versa”

    But comments moderation says me otherwise..i do have a feeling that these indians who r on ET and Dawn r most likely frustrated soul.Now you tell me,why would you like to comment and get into discussion even though you r abused ..I wish ,there could be complete blockade for Indians by these media house..Recommend

  • Zee

    I tried but failed. On one blog on ET by Mahwash which was really nothing but an Indian version on creation of Pakistan, I emailed to PEMRA but didn’t get any response.Recommend

  • Real “Truth”?

    Our own views were validated when The Muslim League won an overwhelming victory in the 1945 elections and with the Pakistan Movement.

    You views are equally problematic when you villanize Pakistan and its leaders. We wanted a separate homeland for Muslims and our claims were completely justified and supported by the Muslim populace. It is you who are distorting history if you deny this.

    Which part of the “sane world” agrees with you? Do you have some neutral source or are your views based on the hatred of Pakistan.Recommend

  • Ivar the Driver

    My friend! you just admitted that there are differences in (a) Language (b) religion and (c) food… now by my definition of cultural-congruity, they are anything but similar. you might as well start calling viking culture as “similar” under your umbrella of cultural similarity.

    And to be honest, this cultural difference forms the very foundation of Pakistan (read Two Nation Theory). I do believe in the goodwill and love-thy-neighbour school of thought, but lets not fool each other by calling our cultures similar.Recommend

  • wb

    Like I said, don’t use the words whose meanings you don’t understand.

    ET doesn’t pass is not an excuse. it’s a fact.

    Do you understand facts?Recommend

  • wb

    Hahaha. Nice excuse of someone who doesn’t know to construct a logical argument in the first place and then uses excuses as explanations.Recommend

  • wb

    See, it’s people like you who have failed Pakistan and the entire Muslim world.

    It’s people like you why ET is afraid of posting my comments for an open discussion.

    It’s people like you that Islam and Muslim is in such dire straits today.

    It’s people like that Islam is unable to go through reform.Recommend

  • Rohan

    I can never agree with the opinions of 8th century barbarians anywaysRecommend

  • wb

    Learn to acquire the disbelief back which you suspend while watching a movie for two hours.

    You live in a very odd world, where you base a lot of things on films. On one comment you even claimed that you know a lot about India because you watch Bollywood.

    How smart and genuine is that! Boggles my mind.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    You cant contest a point against us, cant even put forward a piece of information which helps you, yet you cant agree with us “8th century barbarians”?

    Then why exactly are you gracing us with your presence?Recommend

  • نائلہ

    “So stop judging people on the basis of comments” look whos talking! And you dont look rude to me, you sound rude to me.

    So you are a frustrated soul too? Allow me to remind you that us Pakistanis come on ET to talk about OUR country, OUR people. Those who take abuse are abused, and I am not abused by any Indians over here.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    “someone who doesn’t know to construct a logical argument in the first place and then uses excuses as explanations.”

    Where did you copy this from, your kundli? This is ET dude, not shaadi.comRecommend

  • L.

    Have you ever met a Pakistani to decide whether our cultures are similar or not, or are you basing this upon here-say?Recommend

  • L.

    Wrong again! I infact do not watch Indian movies- but many Pakistanis do and that was my point.

    Wb you are a very depressed person. Surround yourself with children, fluffy pillows and ice cream. I hope you get better.Recommend

  • hp kumar

    you have completely misunderstood me….I m not writing anything about you or any pakistani..I have just stated ,how do i see the things here as a commentator..But somehow you got angry as well..Anyway lets move on..Recommend

  • wb

    shaadi.com, kundli?

    LOL

    See, how super smart you are bringing a perfect logic of kundli and shaadi.com.

    I think you should seriously stop watching Indian TV and films and advertisements. Recommend

  • wb

    Thanks for your suggestion.

    But please stop lying. You spoke for yourself when you said you understand more about India through Indian films.

    Your suggestions would carry more weight when you stop double-speaking.

    By the way, ice cream and fluffy pillows or children are not remedies for depression. Please don’t suggest that to anyone or you might inadvertently push him to commit suicide.Recommend

  • Supriya Arcot

    Err why dont you like Gandhi and Nehru ?Recommend

  • L.

    Kindly do the deed of checking my comment again if you arent sure, because im not the liar in this conversation- if you know what I mean :) And i dont lie anyway. Also, im pretty sure i said Pakistanis learn about Indians, not India- two diff. things.

    “Ice cream and fluffy pillows or children are not remedies for depression”- but they are for perfect for really sad ppl arent they?

    Hmm so you are depressed? What would you like, anti-depressants, chocolate?Recommend

  • L.

    I know im funny arent I? :D See, we should talk more; anti-depression therapy over the internet all the way!

    On the contrary, I have many Indian friends. Why in the world do you think im so nice to you ppl? And tbh the last indian tv show i watched was the tulsi one I think.Recommend

  • Rohan

    I have made my point to which you have responded so unless you reply in specifics don’t bother to replyRecommend

  • Rohan

    Shaadi.com is the place where fantasy becomes reality as against ET where conspiracy theories become headlinesRecommend

  • wb

    It’s hearsay.

    Nonetheless, I will explain to you what you don’t understand.

    Look, Ahmadis, I consider, as the most progressive of Muslims, which is still behind the rest of the world. And let me add that an overwhelming Muslims don’t consider Ahmadis as Muslims at all.

    Why am I talking about that? Because as an Ahmadi you have a world view which is overwhelmingly different from the rest of the Muslims (also means Pakistan).

    The mindset, culture of the Muslims depend upon how much arabized they’re. Now, these ideas, ideals vary greatly and vastly to touch upon every subject including conservation etc.

    So, when he says there are many differences, he’s right. And you probably don’t understand that belonging to the Ahmadi sect. Or should I say Ahmadi religion? Nonetheless, I don’t care. But I hope you understand that you don’t understand the rest of Pakistan.Recommend

  • taha

    honestly its so funny seeing indians passing statements about our country without having ever set foot here and god forbid you say something against bharat mahan,Recommend

  • Yo2Da2

    Sonal, thanks for sharing your perspective. Your thoughtful efforts are much appreciated!.Recommend

  • Prashant

    How do you know he is Hindu?Recommend

  • Prashant

    There are other Pakistani and Indian publications where in you can go and literally abuse each other, if moderators at ET start doing the same, there would not be a place where in you can come and have a meaningful discussion/debate.

    ET has not posted many of my comments over a period of time but I still think it is one of the better ones.Recommend

  • Gp65

    So true. Has happened to me multiple times. On the issue of Afghan consulates, IWT, Siachen and more.Recommend

  • Gp65

    Sorry – such rudeness was unnecessary. What I have observed is. Hat jerks from both sides are permitted. But at least I have had a very difficult time rebutting imagined hisory with facts on ET lately, though I have always been polite.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    I see traces of humanity in you.

    Ahmadiyyat preaches NOTHING different to orthodox Islam- read up before you write. You live in india correct? Visit an ahmadi mosque and get educated. And there are countless Arab Ahmadis- what determines their culture and perceptions?

    My point was that me having all these friends has allowed me to see that we eat the same things, respect our parents in the same manner, can understand what the other means in very subtle ways- you dont get this stuff with the Caucasians. Bangalis, Pakistanis, Indians and Sri Lankans literally can live the same. Yes, depending on the type of parents you have, your upbringing can be drastically different. But most are the same.

    I grew up in pak, infact I spent a large chunck of my life over there. I DO understand the “rest” of Pakistan- and more than an Indian who hasnt been their, definitely.Recommend

  • L.

    You havent read his previous comments have you? That is how I determine how to speak to a person. What else was he expecting from us barbarians? Why is he on our site if that’s what he thinks of us? Kindly teach him some manners rather than telling me I am being rude, cos I already know that.

    ET has it’s moody days.Recommend