Drones, Pakistan’s worst kept secret

Published: October 30, 2014
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Can drones become the best-used counter terror tool rather than a worst kept secret? PHOTO: FILE

The current surge in drone strikes in FATA has reignited the infamous ‘drone debate’ and ‘Pakistan’s tacit agreement’ on intelligence sharing with the United States.

Only a few months ago, Peter Bergen, a US expert on drones, had revealed that the CIA drone campaign in Pakistan may have finally come to an end. Not only Bergen, but even the current Nawaz-led PML-N government boasted of lobbying against drones and convincing the Obama administration to cease the strikes.

Till June this year, one could believe these reports and revelations as there was a long hiatus in predator strikes. However, it was on June 11 when, negating such reports, a predator drone targeted the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) and the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) in Dargah Mandi, North Waziristan, raising speculations of a joint US-Pak strike to avenge the IMU for their role in the Karachi Airport attack.

And it was then that a new wave of drone strikes kick started in FATA.

A total of 16 drone strikes, since June this year, have allegedly killed close to 110 people – all of whom were tagged as militants by the media. According to Washington-based New America Foundation, the CIA has conducted a total of 384 drone strikes since 2004, killing more than 3500 people – most of whom were reported to be militants. These strikes have also been lethal in taking out more than fifty high profile al Qaeda, Taliban and Haqqani leaders. But even with their ‘apparent’ success and effectiveness, drones still remain a contentious issue in Pakistan, raising a number of legal debates both nationally and globally.

Pakistan, along with international human rights organisations, has called these strikes illegal and illegitimate – with the foreign office in Islamabad making ceremonial protests after each strike. The United States, on the other hand, has time and again categorically denied such claims.

Harold Koh, the US State Department’s legal advisor, during his speech at the American Society of the International Law annual meeting, justified the drone strikes and called them in compliance with all forms of laws, including the laws of war. Furthermore, officials from the US State Department have also denied the claims that the US is violating any international law while conducting its drone strikes. The US narrative was backed by memos and documents obtained from Pakistan and CIA, according to which more than 60 attacks between 2007 and 2011 were carried out with mutual consent of Pakistan.

With Pakistan’s apparent silence over the previous nine drone strikes in the wake of operation Zarb-e-Azb in FATA, one could conclude that the government may not only have a tacit drone agreement with the US but may also be sharing active intel on militant targets. This rumoured cooperation comes on the back of a decade long protest by policy makers and politicians in Pakistan, accusing the US and CIA of adding fuel to the raging spiral of militancy through its drone strikes.

According to a report published in The Express Tribune in August, 2014, regarding a project by the Bureau of Investigative Journalism called ‘Naming the Dead’ it said that only 12% drone victims in Pakistan have been identified as militants. In essence, it means that of the 2,379 people who have been killed during drone strikes only 704 have been identified of which 322 are reportedly civilians (99 children), and 295 are alleged militants.

The ISPR termed operation Zarb-e-Azb, which started in June, 2014, as being a success and stating that the military now has a firm hold on the undertaking. As per ISPR figures, more than 1000 suspected terrorists, many of which include second tier leaders of the TTP, have been killed in the operation. On the other hand, the army has also been successful in keeping a low casualty rate of its own personnel – mostly because of the use of sophisticated technology such as fighter jets.

What now needs to be seen is how the TTP leaders, allegedly fleeing to neighbouring Afghanistan, will regroup, recruit and reorganise against the Pakistani military. It is yet to be seen whether TTP’s silence is momentary or permanent. And with six top TTP leaders pleading allegiance to ISIS and al Baghdadi, it may also suggest that TTP, and other local militant splinters, may be looking to move to newer and greener pastures in the Middle East.

But more importantly, will this latest string of drone strikes dictate a new path for the Pakistani military establishment and the intelligence agencies in their dealings with the drone issue on a socio-political level? Can drones become the best-used counter terror tool rather than a worst kept secret?

Only time will tell.

Farooq Yousaf

Farooq Yousaf

The author is a PhD (Politics) Candidate currently pursuing his studies in Australia. He has previously completed his Masters in Public Policy and Conflict Studies from Germany. He also consults Islamabad-based Security think tank, Centre for Research and Security Studies, and occasionally writes for various news and media sources. He is specialising in Indigenous conflict resolution and counter insurgency. He tweets at @faruqyusaf

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • ab1990

    What india couldnt do all these years US compensated those years. I wish there are more drones over pakistan. I cant but notice how there so many articles by pakistani americans on this website.
    How come these people never leave usa to protest drone strikes on pakistan?Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Double think is a term from the classic ‘1984’. It refers to the act of believing and disbelieving something at the same time.
    For example, beliving targetted missile strikes(in this case, slowmoving, accurate Drones) are leading to high civilian casualty. And, also disbeliving at the same time that untargetted, carpet bombing from Supersonic F16s will not lead to exponentially higher casualty rates.
    Whatever arguments Pakistanis give against Drones, are also applicable the the carpet bombing of Pakhtuns which is taking place in the name of fighting Terror(after giving months of warning, I wonder what Terrorist worth his salt will stay in an area knowing it will be bombed).
    If indeed Drones are worse than carpet bombing, why didn’t it lead to IDPs? Last time I checked carpet bombing of Pakhtuns led to 1 Million(!) IDPs.
    Conversely, if spraying around bombs is fine killing thousands(which are reported as dead militants) and scarring away millions, why not allow Drones, whihc are much more accurate?Recommend

  • Najaf GT

    Drone strikes will never end in Pakistan, just like CIA covert operations. These things, when they start, they continue forever.
    Pakistani politicians have brought this on us, for whom we are responsible for electing into our parliament.
    If there ever was a true account of the melange of revenge for drone attacks, CIA sabotaging Pakistan’s security, army conspiring to overthrow the elected government, politicians working for only their personal benefits, then it is Adeerus Ghayan’s The Scriptwriter novel. For my part, I don’t think any other Pakistani novel has captured the true account of what goes on in Pakistani corridors of power.Recommend

  • numbersnumbers

    Too bad the article about drone strikes referenced by the author actually states that 12% of drone victims in Pakistan have been identified as al-qaeda!!!Recommend

  • Ivar the Driver

    Just wondering, doesn’t media also dubiously tag all those killed under “Zarb-e-Azb” as “Suspected Militants”?
    So basically every every person killed by drone are presumed to be innocent while the ones killed by Pak Army have terrorists written right on there forehead. Gotta love the accuracy.

    I was also wondering how does a bomb from a “sophisticated technology” differentiate between those suspected terrorists and real ones.Recommend

  • Roon

    The Pakistan Air force uses smart bombs to bomb Taliban hideouts which are almost as precise and localized as drones. Carpet bombing is not being done anywhere. And stop trying to portray Zarb-e-Azb as some sort of Pakhtun massacre. Most Paktun’s (including me) support this operation intended to drive out militants who have caused havoc all over Pakistan.Recommend

  • KhanDeKhan

    Anoop, you’re misinformed and your arguments are fairly ignorant.
    1. As someone who is Pukhtun, from Pakistan, I wholeheartedly support Zarb-e-Azb. You know why? As a Pukhtun, my name and ethnicity have been tarnished by a bunch of thugs who fight in the name of Islam. Pukhtuns are not different than the rest of Pakistan, they was a secure livelihood and a stable future. We want our kids to get a solid education and be productive members of society and not be embroiled in someone else war.
    2. There was never any carpet bombing, that is the most absurd claim ever. Why would the Pakistani Army bomb their own people? These were precise strikes against known targets. Drone or conventional aircraft are both capable of precision airstrikes, there is never a need to carpet bomb. Unless you’re dealing with IS in Iraq and Syria, but then again to limit collateral damage (killing innocent civilians), NATO will probably refrain from carpet bombing anywhere. Same goes for Pakistan, the Army will never kill indiscriminately, as that is the only institution in the country that (most) people admire and the Army will not do anything to tarnish that credibility.Recommend

  • Humayun

    I don’t care whether you’re Pashtun or not. You don’t speak for the civilians who have been killed, injured, wrongfully detained, tortured, and displaced as a result of Pakistani military operations. If you’re against drone strikes, but you support Pakistani operations in the exact same area, then you’re not a humanist, you’re just anti-American. Both drone attacks and the Pakistani army’s assault are illegal and have caused untold amounts of misery. I’ll support Zarb-e-Azb once there’s a similar operation launched in Muridke and terrorists like Hafiz Saeed are captured. Until then, this is a racist and highly selective way of dealing with militancy.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    You do know the Hellfire missiels that Drones use are the best in the world? DId you also know Pakistan has been requesting US to sell or give away for free these missiles(US is hesitant fearing this technology will be shared with the Chinese)?
    Pakistan has no targetted missiles which even come near the quality and accuracy of the hellfires. You can Google and verify it yourself.
    You are also a classic example of Double Think. You believe in what you want to believe and disbelieve it at the same time or justify your beliefs. You are actually telling me Pakistan has better missiles than the greatest Superpower that has ever lived!
    Thank you for your comment, kinda proves my point.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    So do you LIVE in the area which is carpet bombed? Or, are you living in the safety of an area which is not bombed and claiming all this?

    Also, as a Pashtun, can you tell me why haven’t Drones generated 1,000,000+ IDPs, but your safe, targetted operation Zard-E-Azb has?

    Double think?Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    In 1971, when Pakistan was losing to India, Pakistanis were being told India was being defeated.
    During Kargil, they were told Pakistani Army was repelling Indian Aggression and those “Mujahideens” who had taken over Kargil were Freedom Fighters, when infact they were Pak Army regulars.
    In a non-Democratic, its easy to bury the truth. Till today not a single person has been jailed in Pakistan for Bengali genocide. No one ever will see justice for killing fellow Muslims.
    Same with this so called successful operation.Recommend

  • Roon

    To be honest I am actually neutral on the issue of drone strikes as they have shown to kill militants including foreign fighters and TTP leaders (when did I say I was staunchly opposed to them????). I never said Pakistan had better missiles than the US: I said they are “almost as precise and localized as drones”.
    My point was that Pakistan is right to send its ground forces into Waziristan in order to clear out the militants. Even many IDP’s support the operation as the militants had made life a living hell for them just as they had done before in Swat where Malala was living.
    http://centralasiaonline.com/en_GB/articles/caii/features/pakistan/main/2014/08/22/feature-01Recommend

  • Roon

    So do you LIVE in the area which is carpet bombed? Or, are you living in the safety of an area which is not bombed and claiming all this? The same could be said for you.

    Do you even know what carpet bombing means??

    Wikipedia describes it as:
    Carpet bombing, also known as saturation bombing, is a large aerial bombing done in a progressive manner to inflict damage in every part of a selected area of land. The phrase evokes the image of explosions completely covering an area, in the same way that a carpet covers a floor. Carpet bombing is usually achieved by dropping many unguided bombs. In contrast to precision bombing, it is not aimed at a small target such as a bunker, an airfield, or a military unit. One of its uses is the aerial bombing of cities.

    As stated in my earlier comment the PAF uses a few guided missiles. It is not conducting large scale bombing as you ignorantly claim.

    I am not saying that the operation is 100% safe and accurate and many people have indeed left their homes. Nevertheless it is fully supported by all quarters within Pakistan including by the IDP’s as well as foreign powers. The IDP’s are also being provided for by the Pakistan army and Government.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    If it’s so accurate why did 1 million became homeless out of their own will!

    Drones never created any IDP situation. Why is that? Surely there were more than a few drone strikes every week for the past few years.

    Pakistan doesn’t have the precision bombing tech. North Koreans only had long range missiles. Pakistan has no option but to indulge in carpet bombing. Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Pakistan is not sending ground forces required to fight a counter insurgency. They are taking the easy way out and doing bombing raids. Most of ur troops are deployed at India border and loc giving cover fire to militants and anticipating Indian response.

    If Pakistani missiles are as accurate as drones, why are there IDPs after ur bombing raids not after drones?

    If Pakistan can’t police it’s own territory others will have to do it. Latest Iran into Pakistan proves this.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Pakistan will never launch bombing raids in Punjab and Sindh. But they will and have many times in the past done it in Balochistan and FATA.

    Pakistanis from Punjab who are majority in the army, do not consider areas outside Punjab to be real Pakistan.Recommend

  • Roon

    Once again you ignore facts and accuse us of being ignorant. Pakistan has already sent troops into Waziristan and captured Miranshah.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-28233408

    As far as the issue of drones is concerned, they were only a temporary measure to harass the militants. An operation like the one Pakistan is currently involved in was required to drive them out.

    Pakistan has enough troops to police both its Eastern and Western borders. Modi’s aggression will not deter us from firing back and defending ourselves.Recommend

  • L.

    @Anooop: BURN!

    lol jokes, dont lash out.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Well it doesn’t and you will realise that. COIN manuals suggest you need 1:10 troop deployment to fight or hold off an insurgency,.

    This is what India did in Kashmir and Sri Lanka did in it’s north.

    Most of ur ground forces are facing India and that is why Pakistan had to bomb it’s way into waziristan.

    Radicalization in Pakistan is unparalleled. There are terror cells all over Pakistan and you guys need to make Pakistan a police state, which is already happening.

    Your obsession with India will destroy you, in a few years it’ll be too late. Your choice either you can hate India or fight Taliban and other Islamic groups.

    You side stepped my question about why drones didn’t lead to IDPs, if they are more accurate or equally than Pakistani jets. I’m waiting for an answer.
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  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Hows the defending going? 55 died in Wagah.

    One of the TTP affiliates claimed responsibility.

    You can fight TTP OR India, Not both. More than 90% of your half a million troops are at the LoC, meaning your majority resources are diverted to pick a fight with India, when TTP has spread its tentacles all over Pakistan.

    Yesterday’s Freedom Fighters/Mujahideens are today’s Wagah Border killers.

    Human Beings have the capability to learn from their mistakes, but that mean they will use this capability, isn’t it.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    55 died at the hands of TTP affiliated group in Wagah. Your majority troops are picking fights with India at LoC, to spread Terror during next year’s Kashmir elections.

    You can either concentrate on sending Freedom Fighters into India, or fight the former Freedom Fighters cum Mujahideen turned bad.

    Take your pick.Recommend

  • L.

    Anoops at the border for bullet by bullet commentary everyone!

    I would like to concentrate on making pak a better place; why bother with other countries? Recommend

  • Roon

    And how can you be so sure that is is not the Indian BSF that is starting the firing in order to bolster support for Modi during next years Kashmir elections.

    We shall defend ourselves against any and all threats. The TTP leaders are presently hiding in Afghanistan. It will take collective time and effort in order to deal with this terrorist threat. This collective effort will have to involve all stakeholders including America, China, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Arab-states,etc. Your prime minister said as much during his speech at the UN.

    “or fight the former Freedom Fighters cum Mujahideen”. This is exactly what Zarb-e-Azb is about!!! What I fail to understand is why you are so against this operation when it is doing exactly what you reccomend. You should be supporting it instead of throwing salt in our wounds.

    And just to be clear not all former Freedom Fighters cum Mujahideen have turned bad. Many of them fight against the Taliban. This includes a number of Afghan officials such as Abdullah Abdullah. Not to mention that they were considered freedom fighters by the West too during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.Recommend

  • Roon

    Yes Maam.Recommend

  • Roon

    Defending against India and the TTP are not mutually exclusive. Don’t think you can extract concessions from us just because we are currently in a hard place.

    “Yesterday’s Freedom Fighters/Mujahideens are today’s Wagah Border killers.” The US learned that in 9/11 and so have we.

    As far as the tentacles of the TTP are concerned, education and police effort is required to combat them. The army can’t do anything about it. Why are you so afraid if we station a large number of troops along our conested border. It’s only natural and you are doing it too.Recommend

  • Roon

    Drones didn’t lead to IDP’s and neither did jets. It was the rumor that an operation was going to begin that led them to flee. They are being provided for by the government just as other IDP’s and 3000000 Afghan refugees are and shall be repatriated once the operation is over. Haven’t I mentioned that they were being terrorized by the militants?

    What India did in Kashmir wasn’t as bloodless as you think. Independent researchers say that around 50,000-100,000 people have been killed most of the innocent civilians at the hand of Indian security forces. Additionally there are 1.5 million Kashmiri refugees in Pakistan which is more than thrice the number of displaced Pundits which you like to flaunt so much.

    Sri Lanka isn’t really a case worth emulating either. I don’t think I need to go into the details about this one.Recommend

  • Roon

    So??? The author is actually writing in favour of drone strikes with Pakistani cooperation (which may or may not already be happening behind the scenes).Recommend

  • Roon

    An attack on innocent civilians just goes to show how desperate the Taliban really are. Most likely (and unfortunately) they will try to keep up these surprise attacks in order to demoralize the people of Pakistan but no one can deny that they are indeed feeling the heat from Zarb-e-Azb. Many terrorists have been killed and even Malala’s attackers have been arrested.

    As mentioned in other comments by me defending ourselves from Indian aggression and crushing these terrorists is not mutually exclusive.Recommend

  • Roon

    (ET plz publish my other comments in response to Anoop)Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    When did insurgents attack after giving prior notice? When did Terrorsts attack ONLY military installations?
    Pakistan was the one who taught them this in Soviet war at first and India later in Kashmir.
    Quite poetic really, to be attacked by the very same people it trained.
    They are mutually exclusive and there cannot be a bigger and better example than Wagah attack. WHile hate was being spewed against India, a brainwashed boy blew himself to bit, taking down 55 people with him, who had come there to celebrate Pakistan’s hatred towards India.
    There is no Indian aggression. India doesn’t want an inch of what it doesnt’ control already. If that were true, don’t you think we would have taken what we wanted in 1971 with 93,000 POWs in our pocket?
    You have been fed lies. Every Sep-Oct time, when the mountain routes begin to close, there is cover fire by Pak Army for Terrorists to sneak in.
    When India responds, the propaganda machine will make it seem as India provoked.
    Why on Earth would a Status Quo country provoke, is beyond reason.
    You can check ET and Dawn archives from same time last year and you see spurt in ceasefire violations. Remember, it is India which has a built a fence to keep Terrorists out, Pakistan has NOT!

    P.S. In the past 10 years, not a single prominent Terrorists has been jailed and successfully prosecuted in Pakistan.

    Baitullah Mehsud, Hakeemullah, Ilyaz Kashmiri were killed by the Drones(NOT Pakistani Jets). All high profile targets have been eliminated by Drones. The very things you guys oppose.

    I want to wager not a single prominent Terror leader will be caught and successfully prosecuted in Pakistan even in the next 10 years. How confident are you take up that bet?

    P.P.S. You have again side stepped my question as to why millions have run away from homes after bombing raids, which are equally, if not have better, accuracy than Drones.

    The only answer which falls into the category of logic is basically means I am right and you are not. No wonder you don’t want to reply.Recommend

  • Roon

    COIN manuals really didn’t work out in Afghanistan and Iraq did they. Flooding Waziristan with troops will only increase casualties on our side(not to mention create resentment in the local populace like it did in Kashmir). We are facing an elusive enemy not an organised army like ISIS.

    As far as radicalisation is concerned, it will require time and effort to stamp out. We aren’t really obsessed with India. We did all we could to start peace talks. It is you who cancelled them over a spurious reason. Even the Weatern media claims this.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/opinion/prime-minister-modi-fumbles-on-pakistan.html?_r=0

    You constantly bring up the IDP’s. They fled the area when they heard rumors of the operation before it even began. They are being provided for by the government just like other IDP’s and 3,000,000 Afghan refugees and will be repatriated once it is over.Recommend

  • L.

    I agree. And did you see the hoards of ppl present at wagah the next day, regardless of the threats! So proud of my brave people <3Recommend

  • Roon

    May I ask what hate is being spewed against India? Our Prime minister has made nothing but overtures towards India by attending his ceremony and campaigned for better relations with India.

    On the other hand Modi has spewed nothing but vitriol against Pakistan and campaigned for “goli against boli” and dont even get me started on his fellow supporters who claimed that they would “destroy Pakistan within 6 days”. Not to mention that is was you who cancelled talks.

    The Wagah ceremony is not a display of hatred. It is a celebration of BOTH our countries independence. Sweets are exchanged from this very border gate on independence day. Not to mention that it works both ways.

    You say I am a victim of a propaganda machine yet all of my arguments are backed up with links from reputed neutral sources. I have already mentioned that India may be firing in order to whip up nationalistic support for the upcoming local elections. I never said that it was about territory. The possibility of these skirmishes getting out of hand and escalating is actually quite slim. And if there is as you claim no Indian aggression how do you explain the casualties on our side which include innocent men, women and children.

    As far as terrorists being prosecuted is concerned you only see those who are out there. Khalid Sheikh Mohammad and a large number of Al-Qaida operatives were actually apprehended by Pakistan.

    Are you even reading my posts?? I have already said that I am neutral on drones. You have already lost your proposed wager as Malala’s attackers have already been arrested and the Taliban have fractured into various (but still dangerous) groups.

    The reason why 500,000 (You really have a way with exaggeration) have left their homes is because of the rumor of the operation before it even began. They are being fully provided for just like other IDP’s and 3 million Afghan refugees and will be soon repatriated with govt support.
    http://tribune.com.pk/story/785822/return-of-idps-government-to-map-out-all-inclusive-strategy/

    You accuse us of being hateful towards India and yet it is you who are spreading hate on our sites. Your own blog (which I skimmed through) as well as your general comments are full of Pakistan and Jinnah bashing and just proves your own paranoid mind set. It honestly reminds me of the 2 minute hate ritual from the classic 1984.

    P.S. You should be careful when calling tragic incidents poetic. How would an Indian or an American feel if one said that 9/11 or Indra Gandhi’s assasination was poetic considering they both had a role in prior cicumstances leading up to it. (9/11 by America funding the Mujaheddin and the Assassination by the storming of the golden temple)

    (E.T. plz publish)Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    First of all, LoC ceasefire to give cover fire to militants is not a new phenomena.

    What HAS changed is the response. Earlier for every mortar fire India used to respond with intensity. Now, every mortar is answered by 5 to 6 the amount. This is defnitely because of Modi.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/621934/disappointed-with-pakistani-pm-over-ceasefire-violation-manmohan-singh/

    If you look at last year, during Oct Sep and November, just before Winter closes all the infiltration routes, there is heavy ceasefire. Modi was not PM then. I can get you links from the year before.
    Who wants to give coverfire is not hard to guess. Certainly not BSF, who have built a fence on their side to keep people OUT! Kashmir elections is an important event and no wonder Pakistani Army tried its best to push as many people as possible.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_India%E2%80%93Pakistan_border_skirmishes

    The ceasefire is more during Summer and intense before Winter. Nobody, apart from China, will believe you if you allege BSF is responsible. Musharaff in his book has admitted to supporting ‘Mujahideen’, as he called the Terrorists.
    Even China has warned Pakistan to man its borders. Iran even attacked Pakistan and killed one soldier(the hatred of India is so intence that even a violation of sovereignty is forgotten but not if India even responds to ceasefire violation).
    Your Zard-E-Azb, is not a proper counter insurgency operation. Its just bombing the living daylights out of poor villagers. That is why you have 1,000,000 poor souls who are homeless. COIN requires heavy troop deployment, who are now currently facing India, trying to push Terrorists in.
    Look at your priorities! Sending Terrorists to India is more important than poor villagers of FATA and success against Terrorists. That is what bothers me.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Wagah Border ceremony is a celebration of hate. There is nothing to be proud of. I am ashamed that Indian Army is doing drills.

    India’s ideology is not based on hate.

    More people going to witness a celebration of hate towards India is symbolic of Pakistan’s problem. Hate is deserved against Taliban and a myriad other Islamist movements. NOT India.

    instead of the “I hate you more than you hate me” ceremony, I’d rather prefer full and free trade.

    A better answer would have been Pakistan granting MFN status to India. Not going to the Wagah border ceremony.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Wagah Border ceremony is a celebration of hate. There is nothing to be proud of. I am ashamed that Indian Army is doing drills.

    India’s ideology is not based on hate.

    More people going to witness a celebration of hate towards India is symbolic of Pakistan’s problem. Hate is deserved against Taliban and a myriad other Islamist movements. NOT India.

    instead of the “I hate you more than you hate me” ceremony, I’d rather prefer full and free trade.

    A better answer would have been Pakistan granting MFN status to India. Not going to the Wagah border ceremony.Recommend

  • Roon

    The army drills are merely ceremonial. I don’t see what is so hateful about attending a flag lowering ceremony. On both sides of the border the guards are in contact with each other and provocating the other side is expressly prohibited.

    Btw, I think its time to go to sleep:), tomorrow is a working day, at least for some of usRecommend

  • Roon

    Once again you baseless claim that Zarb-e-Azb is killing innocent civilians and that it has failed even before it has ended. It seems that any action taken by Pakistan even when it is against militants is not to your liking. On the other hand the entire world including the IDP’s , U.S ,China and the UAE supports this operation. You mention COIN as if it is some kind of flawless strategy despite the fact that it has only met with dismal failure everywhere it has been applied in the past ten years. I have stated more on this in my previous comments if you care to read.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Zarb-e-Azb#American_drone_strikes

    If there are so many militants trying to cross over in Kashmir then why does the BSF not capture them them and present them to the world as evidence. According to BBC reporters there are less than a hundred militants in Kashmir. Your army has turned the entire valley of Kashmir into a police state where everything is monitored and it uses the excuse of militants from beyond the border in order to keep things that way. They know that public opinion is not in their favour and the moment they leave the people will start agitating for their rights again.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26847362Recommend

  • L.

    If indias ideology is not based on hate, then why are there countless of you haters? It seems that to BE accepted in india, one has to hate pak? Something doesnt add up.

    The answer was best, why? Cos the taliban crave power and control and thats the last thing u should give them.

    No anti slogans are chanted, no violence occurs, then how is it a celebration hateful? Recommend

  • نائلہ

    I have a feeling this IS work for him. Recommend

  • Roon

    Makes one wonder. The Chinese and Americans are already paying internet warriors to spread propaganda. Maybe the Indians have joined in too.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_Internet_sockpuppetryRecommend

  • Sid

    Wish that was true. As an Indian we truly wish that was true. Fact is and you can verify if you even have means to, that Pakistan army and state are more worried about making life better for Kashmiris rather than focusing on the people it has already inherited from partition 67 years ago. All their fight, wars, expenditure on arms, talibanisation…everything is done just for Kashmir. You can evaluate how much life, money and resources are wasted by Pakistan just for the sake of a land. Please don’t lie to yourself that you care about Kashmiris when you don’t care enough of Balochis, Shias, Ahmadis etc. Just makes you look like a hypocrite. And please also count how many Muslims have died in Pakistan since partition compare to how many muslims died in Kashmir due to insurgency. This again exposes hypocrisy, which you may be ignorant about, but world is watching. This is the reason why your are loosing support for Kashmir in world forum. Your entire premises is just so hypocritical.Recommend

  • fahad shaikh

    when an operation is done by locals its more accurate then the same thing done by outsiders via drone keep that in mind too.Recommend