Undoing religious intolerance – undoing the second amendment

Published: September 8, 2014

Future generations will remember September 7 as a black day in the history of our nation – the day when Jinnah’s Pakistan died and control was handed over to the mullahs. PHOTO: FILE

Religious clerics in Pakistan celebrate September 7th as a day of victory for Islam and Pakistan. Officially dubbed the “Khatme Nubuwwat Day” or “Finality of Prophethood Day,” many mosques come alive with celebrations this day, sweets are distributed and intense speeches are made in large religious gatherings. 

Forty years ago this day, Pakistan passed the second amendment to its Constitution, forcibly declaring the Ahmadis non-Muslim. With the stroke of a pen, the Ahmadis had been snatched of their basic right to self-identity at the insistence of the very clerics who had opposed Jinnah in his rightful struggle. It was this day that Pakistan started drifting away from the vision of its valiant founder.

What had Ahmadis done to deserve this State-sanctioned discrimination?

It is no secret that Ahmadis played a very prominent role in the creation of Pakistan and its subsequent growth. The community supported Jinnah in his fight for the rights of the minority Muslims in United India. It was an Ahmadi Imam who convinced Jinnah to return to India, after Jinnah bid farewell to Indian politics and moved to London. It was an Ahmadi, Sir Zafarullah Khan, who drafted the famous Pakistan Resolution that became the documentary basis for the demand for Pakistan. Jinnah appointed him the country’s first foreign minister. Sir Zafarullah Khan fought the Kashmir issue at the United Nations and pioneered the legal battle for a free Palestine. His efforts directly led to the independence of many Arab and North African States.

However, his career was cut short when he was forced to resign by the anti-Ahmadi Movement spearheaded by Abul Ala Maududi. The country’s only Nobel Laureate, Dr Abdus Salam, also belonged to the Ahmadiyya Community. When he planned to give a lecture on his Nobel-prize winning theory at the Quaid-e-Azam University in Islamabad, Islami Jamiat Talaba activists threatened to break his legs. His trip had to be cancelled.

Another prominent Ahmadi, Mirza Muzaffar Ahmad, who was the Federal Finance Minister under Ayub Khan and Yahya Khan, played key role in the economic development of Pakistan in the 1960s and 70s. His efforts led directly to the success of the Mangla and Tarbela dam projects. He, too, had to leave Pakistan after a near-fatal attempt at his life by his peon. Jamaat-e-Islami and other anti-Ahmadis later honoured the peon with the title of ‘Hadhrat Maulana’.

Ahmadi Muslims were also at the forefront in defending Pakistan in times of war; General Akhtar MalikGeneral Abdul Ali Malik are a few names that come to mind. In fact, the only Pakistani general to have ever laid his life during combat was an Ahmadi, General Iftikhar Janjua.

The patriotic and peaceful Ahmadiyya community was already facing hate and marginalisation in society at the hands of extremist clerics. But the passage of the second amendment was the first time the State decided to give credence to this growing bigotry. Two decades prior, when similar anti-Ahmadi agitations took place in the Punjab, the government was quick to quell the riots. Maulana Maududi was handed the death penalty – later dropped – for his role in the riots and for his vitriolic hate speech against the Ahmadis.

The second amendment was an unprecedented move in the recent history of the modern world. With its passage, Pakistan had become the first State – and remains the only one – to decide the faith of its citizens. This discriminatory amendment resulted in further restrictions on religious freedom with Zia’s promulgation of the anti-Ahmadi laws shortly after in 1984. Known as the Ordinance XX, these laws criminalised the daily lives of Ahmadis and imposed a three year jail term for those caught ‘posing as Muslims’. Under these laws, thousands of Ahmadis have been jailed for ‘crimes’ such as praying, saying the salam, saying the Kalima, reading the Quran etcetera.

Emboldened by their success against the Ahmadis, some Sunni extremists tried to have the Shias declared infidel in the 1980s. Maulana Azam Tariq was scheduled to present his case when it had to be dropped due to Iranian influence. Today, the anti-Shia movement acts with impunity in Pakistan and even a certain section of Sunnis have come under attack for their ‘heretic’ customs and beliefs.

The seeds of religious extremism and intolerance that were sown in 1974 have grown into a robust tree. Ever since, Pakistan is burning in the fire of sectarian violence. Religious bigotry has become main-stream. To reverse this growing trend of sectarian violence and bloodshed, we must go back and undo the root cause – the second amendment.

Future generations will remember September 7 as a black day in the history of our nation – the day when Jinnah’s Pakistan died and control was handed over to the fundamentalists. And it is no wonder that they celebrate this day as a day of victory. It was victory only for intolerance and bigotry, for sectarianism and religious violence. It is certainly no victory for Pakistan and human rights, and definitely not for the pluralism and tolerance taught by Islam.

Do you think the second amendment to the Pakistani Constitution should be repealed?

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Kashif Chaudhry

A graduate of King Edward Medical University, Lahore and Mt Sinai University Hospital in New York, Kashif is currently completing his Cardiology fellowship in Boston, USA. He writes for various American newspapers and Pakistani publications and blogs at the Huffington Post. His interests include medicine, human rights and interfaith dialogue. He tweets @KashifMD (twitter.com/KashifMD)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Ahmed

    Well it’s good that you mentioned Islam. It does indeed teach tolerance. It also teaches who is a Muslim and who’s not. It is because of that the Ahmadis are considered to be non-Muslims and the world should know that. This however does not justify their killing.Recommend

  • Faraz Talat

    You’re welcome to consider them non-Muslims, based on your own beliefs. But the government still doesn’t have a right to decide their religious identity for them.

    “Hey, Mr.Joseph Masih! You’re not a Christian! According to the government of Pakistan, you’re Shaivite Hindu.”

    “No, I’m a Christi…”

    “The second amendment has spoken. Good day, Hindu!”Recommend

  • muslimsforpeace

    Islam does not teach to call a Muslim as non Muslim. It’s unfortunate that Islam is misquoted and its wrong version practiced in Pakistan and else where.
    Thank you for presenting the facts.Recommend

  • vinsin

    Human rights and pluralism are completely opposite. Forced conversion like noarkali riots and mopilla riots is not tolerance but intolerance. Recommend

  • Pin2

    In the mean time Hindus, Christians and Sikhs communities of Pakistan has flourished and lived peacefully for 67 years. They have been content with treatment from Muslims so much so that they have willingly accepted Islam and some have even migrated to India or west to spread the word of good they have seen in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Parvez

    When in ’53 I think it was, Justice Muneer said….before we can determine who is a non-Muslim, we must first determine who is a Muslim. So he asked the leading Muslim scholars to give their views………long story short, out of the many who did, no two views were alike.
    I suppose ‘ Man proposes, God disposes ‘ seems about right for this dilemmaRecommend

  • Moiz Omar

    The State should not regulate who is a legitimate follower of what religion and who is not. The second amendment should be repealed. And the State also should not force children of Muslims to be identified as Muslims, if they personally do not wish to be so. Like my parents are Muslims but I am not. Then why I am unable to change my religion? Why should I inherit my parents faith?Recommend

  • M Ahmad

    Yes, it does says who is a believer and who is not. It does not suggest to a National Assembly to pass a resolution for declaring a group as non Muslims. Recommend

  • Adil

    As a Muslim, you’re also supposed to lower your gaze when you see a woman. As a Muslim, you’re also not supposed to backbite. As a Muslim, you’re also supposed to never talk back to your parents. If you have done any of these, does that mean you’re not a Muslim?

  • Hasan

    But it is not man’s jurisdiction to declare someone (who calls himself Muslim), a non-Muslim.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    In face, this was very Democratic. ZAB was Democratically Elected, wasn’t he. This was not done by a despot.
    Whats the use of invoking Jinnah?
    If this ammendent is so unpopular among the masses, why will not political leader attempt to roll it back?
    In a Democracy, if something is unpopular, you can easily roll it back.
    In a Democracy, there are no excuses.. By the people, of the people and for the people.
    Undoing this ammendment will not undo intolerance, its the opposite.Recommend

  • Ali Sahab

    Very apt article, repealing such law would bring back a much more tolerant nature to society in Pakistan, which is much needed.Recommend

  • bob

    Mr. Ahmed ,a blasphemy has occurred by declaring Ahmadies as non Muslim. According to the teachings Ahmadies are as much of a Muslims as Sunnis or Shia. Just see what fanaticism has done to Islam – not only in Pakistan but throughout the world.

    Thousands of Muslims are being killed all over the globe. And yet people like you are still wasting their time and energy in debating who is a Muslim and who is not? Who gave you the authority and custodianship of protecting Islam? Allah is sufficient to protect his righteous religion. Recommend

  • SNLDallas

    Thank you for writing this article. There will be no peace and tolerance in many other Muslim countries until they learn to live by true teaching of Islam.
    Islam re-enforces the concept of humanity and respect for individual liberty and places great stress on freedom of conscience. Ahmadiyya Muslim Community continues to spread Islam’s true teachings of moderation and restraint with compassion, patience and prayers, in the face of bitter opposition from the Muslim world.

  • Observant Indian

    what’s the point, isn’t it too late to repeal? How many are left, including other minorities who are slowly but surely migrating to other countries. Seeds of intolerance sowed decades ago along with establishment sponspored militant groups has sprouted and ready to strangle the country. Its downhill all the way. Even though these people are in the minority, the majority are just too scared to speak out or take action. People are in denial mode as usual with their heads buried deep in sand. Good luck.Recommend

  • Prashant

    Kashif, you talk of Ahmedis being persecuted for not being Muslim enough for Sunnis, which is true but look around and you would know the same Ahmedis harbour such contempt for those whom they do not believe are Muslim enough or Muslim at all.

  • muslimsforpeace

    Faith is btw man n God…no human can decide faith of other. Recommend

  • Johanna

    Why would u judge other people’s religious beliefs? Who makes anyone a judge of who is Muslim and who is not, who is a better or worse Muslim etc etc. shouldn’t you just care about your own faith and relationship with god instead of pointing fingers at others. The moment you collect a crowd full of such attitude, u breed intolerance, hatred, and oppression.

    Anytime one ethnicity, religion, race starts judging or discriminating against others based on these factors it inevitably leads to oppression hatred and violence. There are enough historical evidences to that.

    and if u r judging then why there are no similar judgments on murderers, rapists, thieves, paedophiles Recommend

  • ExpatPakistani

    How ironic Mr. Ahmed. The world doesn’t work on the whims of the intolerant mullahs. Individuals deserve the right to call and practice any religion they may in the civilized world. An average citizen in Pakistan unfortunately lacks the intellect to critically analyze what he/she is being preached and takes everything on face value. Where Islam is ideologically a religion of peace and tolerance, the state-sponsored terrorism which hides under the banner of Islam is not. Ahmadis are muslim if they call themselves that, or non-muslims if they don’t. It is their choice and no country/state has got the right to define that. This discrimination breeds intolerance and killings are inevitably the result.Recommend

  • Hasan

    Get well soon brother.Recommend

  • S.F.Ali

    Whatever you speak or do all depends on your faiths and believes, does not justify their killing and this should be stopped.Recommend

  • HI

    Very well writtenRecommend

  • Fakhruddin Rustomjee Teenwala

    A lot of water has passed since the the first anti Ahmadi sentiments took roots.
    And subsequent reviled laws were instituted. This is Apartheid practiced freely
    in this Land of the Pure. Sickeningly enough, the current
    leadership is well educated. Oxford, Cambridge, Yale, Harvard..yet they still
    promulgate these discriminatory attitudes.
    There is
    not much left. Country has gone over the abyss.Recommend

  • Feroz

    You are trying to side track the issue with meaningless drivel. The seeds were sown. Everything that came later were merely fruits of that action. It was this that created a certain mindset of religious superiority based on Quicksand.
    Without understanding the roots of the problem, plucking a few branches will not produce the desired fruits.Recommend

  • Hugh Manatee

    If they aren’t causing any harm or spreading hate in the name of Islam, who cares whether they call themselves Muslim or not. With war, famine, population growth, depleting natural resources, climate change and a whole lot of other issues, the world doesn’t really care about which religious identity a non-deviant individual or group of people identifies with. It’s our own inflated sense of religious and moral authority coupled with our hypocritical inability to recognise our own flaws while finding a ton in others sprinkled with a dash of self-serving self-righteousness that has made this non-issue into a full blown human rights crisis.Recommend

  • Moiz Omar

    If you think they are not Muslims that is your right. But you cannot force them to be able not practice their faith just because of that. Keep your religious views to yourself.Recommend

  • Moiz Omar

    The second amendment should be repealed.Recommend

  • Pakistani

    Those people who think that they can repeal this law in Pakistan simply lives in fool’s paradise.

  • نائلہ

    Proof required, Prashant. No Ahmadi harbours ANY kind of hatred against ANY religious or ethical or another group. Ever heard of ‘love for all, hatred for none’? Recommend

  • نائلہ

    And there should be no religion on ID cards! Recommend

  • Nomad1412

    Hope everyone gets the sarcasm in your post.Recommend

  • T R Khan

    If the second amendment is not repealed in the near future, there will be others who will be declared non-Muslims. Its the need of the time to separate the religion and the state.Recommend

  • L.

    No leader will dare question this amendment, cos the mullahs also have a fan following which resulted in events like the lahore and gujranwala attacks.Recommend

  • Syed Zafar Ahmad

    With the
    promulgation of anti-Ahmadiyya laws in Pakistan, the society has apparently been
    given the license to persecute the community. Violent attacks against the
    Ahmadees over the last four decades seem to have the support of the State, or
    how else would one explain that none of the perpetrators of violence against
    the community appear to have been punishedRecommend

  • Guest

    You can call anyone DOG but can’t expect from him that he should start barking!! by declaring them non-Muslim, i need to know (in last 40 years) have they started practicing like a non-Muslim, have they changed their faith? do anyone have witnessed them to practice anything other then Islam?Recommend

  • Ahmed

    First of all the laws of Islam are not up for debate. The debate can be whether to implement those laws or the secular ones. Unlike many other religions Islamic laws are not only related to personal beliefs they are also there to govern the state. It is according to these laws that they have been declared non-Muslims. Islam gives the right to the state . Now we can talk about should Islamic laws be there or not for the state.

    The example you have given has nothing to do with this. It only pertains to Muslims. I get what your trying to say but with the use of Christian and Hindu you are swaying the mind of the reader. The above will and ‘can’ never happen in an Islamic law system.Recommend

  • BlackHat

    Simply not true. In India, Ahmedis face no intolerance. There are no laws against them. They have their mosques and cemeteries. For most parts they are highly educated people. Western countries and also non-Muslim countries do not have discriminatory laws based on religion. Recommend

  • Prashant

    Well Naila, there are things which are absolutely unacceptable for me which might be a religious obligation for you. So, l would rather not respond to this and sound rude to you. Let us agree to disagree.Recommend

  • Ahmed

    It is the states’ jurisdiction and that is exactly what happened.Recommend

  • Ahmed

    The state can.Recommend

  • Ahmed

    They have been and had been practicing a faith other than Islam.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Minorities usually are more liberal than the majority, except in some special cases.

  • Prashant

    And neither on a persons sleeves.Recommend

  • Humanity

    Thanks. But no thanks!

    The kind of belief the Muslim Ummah currently pursues is a shame and a sham. Frame and hang your state issued paper of certified Muslim and stay delusional it will show you a chor darwaza to heaven. It ain’t worth the paper it is written.Recommend

  • Faulitics

    Haha..Good one!Recommend

  • Jor El

    Please read again what Pakistani has stated “Ahmadis/ Qadianis are considered non-Muslims not only in Pakistan but
    entire Muslim world believe them to be outside the fold of Islam. ”
    India, Western countries and also non-Muslim countries are not part of the muslim world.Recommend

  • L.

    No Prashant, if you have accused a whole group, you should go on and explain yourself. And my religious obligations should not be effecting anyone’s life; if they are effecting you, you need to analyse the reason why. Recommend

  • L.

    How does being a minority effect the teachings of a sect? We follow Islam- throughout, no different beliefs. Ahmadis- whether a majority or a minority in a country will NOT be found hating on any religious group. I can personally guarantee you that. Recommend

  • L.

    You can keep your laws and rules to yourself.
    We are sure there is a court of God- where He is the judge. Recommend

  • Jonbon Jovi

    no it is not. Any state that does so is mirroring Hitler and the tyrants of past ages.Recommend

  • Jonbon Jovi

    The state cannot. It is the basic Idea behind this blog, that a state cannot say who is a muslim and who is not, it is a person’s own admition. NO ONE can be called a muslim until they themselves say that “I am not a muslim”. The state has no right to declare anyone non muslim.Recommend

  • Jonbon Jovi

    Who are you to declare that their faith is not Islam. The Holy Prophet may peace and blessings of God be upon him, gave the muslims a simple declaration of faith. It is called the “Kalima” , anyone who recites it and then claims that he is a muslim has always been considered a muslim. the Ahmadis do this, so no one has a right to claim that they are non muslimsRecommend

  • Jonbon Jovi

    First, I would like to apologize to you if you ever had a bad experience with an ahamdi muslim.
    judging by your name I will go out on a limb here and take a wild guess that you are not a muslim. So , if any of practices of ahmadi muslims are unacceptable to you, and they do them in front of you , then you can politely ask them to do something about it, and they will. I can guarantee you 100% that even if it means that they have to offer ritual sacrifice of animals inside their house they will do so. Islam is all about co existing, and no one except fanatics shove their practices in the face of others.
    HOWEVER, if you are a muslim and the practices of ahmadis, such as praying in mosques or their adhering to Islam are unacceptable to you, then I am afraid you will have to live with that.Recommend

  • Jonbon Jovi

    If this so called muslim ummah thinks that ahmadis are non muslims then why are there no laws like this in other muslim countries. Only Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have them. So I ask you, Is Bangladesh non muslim country? They used to be a part of Pakistan too. So why dont they have these laws? It is food for thought for Pakistani extremists that their decision is wrong, but then again, they knew about it all along.Recommend

  • Guest

    the amendment is definitely right.
    However this doesnot give anyone the right to prosecute them, they are as much Pakistani as anyone else. Whatever happens in the name of extremism is all wrong and yes we should do more to protect minorities but this does not mean the law is wrong.
    So we should condemn the extreme actions not the law.Recommend

  • abide

    Thanks for such an enlightening article and a wake up call…. I always post Jinnah’s statement of religious freedom as reminder to us for a review of our constitution. Recommend

  • abide

    Thanks for such an enlightening article and a wake up call…. I always post Jinnah’s statement of religious freedom as reminder to us for a review of our constitution. Recommend

  • Moiz Omar

    I agree with you. Religion should be a personal matter.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    Ok, so tell me. What is the correct sect of Islam? WHO is following Islam properlyRecommend

  • L.

    Are you saying the state’s law is above God’s law?! Above humanity? They are playing God and you are clearly supporting them.

    If tomorrow you travel to Thailand and find out that they have declared all Muslims ‘wajibul qatal’ and accused you of ‘not following humanity’, how would you feel? Would you accept it and go: oh it’s just the state’s jurisdiction, nothing more? How would you feel if the only way you can get a passport and move out of that country is by signing a document which invalidates your faith?

    And don’t try and change the topic, answer my question. Recommend

  • نائلہ

    By Muslim world he meant the Muslims. Recommend

  • نائلہ

    How can you condemn the actions when they are supported by the law?! You are supposed to cure the disease, not the symptoms! Recommend

  • I am a Khan

    The correct ‘sect’ of Islam is the one that follows the Quran and Sunnah as practiced by the Holy Prophet (saw). The correct ‘sect’ is the one which believes in the Oneness of Allah (Tauheed) and the finality of the prophethood of the Holy Prophet (saw) (Risalat) as prescribed in the Glorious Quran.Recommend

  • Sudhindra

    Of course … thats what i said …Recommend

  • The only formula 4 world peace

    ‘Religion should be a personal matter’
    I agree with you 100%, but I think you’re at odds with a mindset that yearns for a caliphate like paradise ,that a many practicing silently desire-where an even more stern & perfect form is practiced,than is being followed in KSA or Pak.
    while heaven may belong to them alone,the world is for everyone,equally-muslim & non-muslim-then- there may be a mindset of ,’live & let live’ or ‘living in peace with all mankind’ rather than trying to forcibly convert or exterminate infidels. Many people have a problem with ‘keeping religion private’-they feel that,if they know the right way,they must force it down others’ throats,rather than just following the right way themselves and not troubling non-believers. After seeing all the horrors in our world today, Im convinced that,peace can exist ONLY if spirituality is personal and governments are secular( to ensure equal human rights )Recommend

  • Guest

    Persecuting another human-being on religious grounds is not supported in the law. They are just like any other minority e.g. Christians and HIndus

    Stop taking extreme views and making assumptions to prove victimization. The kind of crazy people who commit these atrocities won’t change their attitude even if you change the law, they will still carry on.

    Law is correct, just because of some lunatics, state can’t and should not change a fact.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    Exactly. and one does not even need to follow a sect to be a good Muslim! Recommend

  • Ram

    You are just pealing onion my friend after many layers and tears you will get to the core inshallah one day there will be peaceRecommend

  • نائلہ

    It’s not about being ‘stern and perfect’ it’s just that religion is solely the covenant between man and God. No one else should have any control over it. Recommend

  • ram

    I agree you need cure the disease but you need find the cause first, the cause my friend is religion was used in politics 67 years agoRecommend

  • Indian

    What is unacceptable…eating beef …sacrifice ? Those are not specific to just Ahmadis..Recommend

  • L.

    Prove victimisation?! Lol there is no need to prove it, it is right in front of everyone’s eyes.Recommend

  • The only formula 4 world peace

    Personal spirituality & secular govt. fulfils the covenant between man & God. Establishment of shariah is like a covenant between nation & God (implying that an individual man depends on the religious piety of his country men en-masse, to attain personal salvation-like an all or none deal ) My comment was edited-it was about the value of secular democracy vs isis like caliphates,in bringing about world peace.Recommend

  • L.

    So wait, what about those who dont want this “covenant between nation and God?” Why should they be forced to live with another religion? Why does Islam HAVE to be implemented on all Pakistanis?Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    My comment was edited as usual. I had expected this reply and had given an answer, but sadly it was deleted. I wish this comment will go through, or atleast first part it to register my displeasure.

  • Prashant

    I have friends who share the same table to have their beef while I do not. Come up with something better mate. I have no issues with you having beef or someone else having pork though I have neither of them.Recommend

  • Prashant

    Your apology has not been accepted, not out of disrespect but it was not required.

    I have absolutely no issues with the way you practice your religion. Some Hindus would have a problem if you eat beef on the same table but I do not. Some of my best friends are Muslims though not Ahmediyas and we have shared the same table when they were having beef and I was not or when I was having whisky and they were not.

    I was referring to some of the people who share your faith and with their comments would pass as liberals on most occasions but on some occasions they justify preaching their religion telling me “you do not belong to my faith, you will burn in hell”.

    When I see comments like these, it makes me believe that an Ahmediya in Pakistan craves to be a part of the mainstream Muslims so that he can be a part of the discrimination wagon against those who are considered by Muslims as truly non believersRecommend

  • Prashant

    “Unlike many other religions Islamic laws are not only related to personal beliefs they are also there to govern the state”

    The ISIS have implemented Sharia in some places in Iraq where they have forced the Maliki forces to retreat. As for their own admission, they asked the Christians to convert, when they said no, they were asked to pay Zajiya and if even that was not acceptable to Christians, they would be killed. The Christians chose to flee, Is this the correct reflection of Islam? If not, how would you change the minds of ISIS to interpret Islam appropriately? Your interpretation of Islam or for that matter any religion is not necessarily the interpretation for others as well.

    Secular laws by and large remain the same across all countries. It is up to you to decide whether they want a caliphate which has not been achieved in 1400 years or choose a secular set up with Islamic values, I would not be surprised if people respond to me by saying secular values and Islamic values do not go hand in hand.Recommend

  • Prashant

    Any examples that you can think of in the present world?

    Afghanistan, Pakistan, parts of Iraq under ISIS, Somalia, Malyasia, Indonesia, Turkey….?Recommend

  • Hmm…

    Maybe this principle of ‘not up for debate’ should be reconsidered. The value/sacredness of something isn’t reduced if it is debated.
    Scholars & wise men debate over other religious texts & publish peer reviewed material all the time. That may be a healthier attitude than ‘this must not be questioned’,’this must be obeyed followed blindly’-blind following of undebated religious text is what led the rise of isis & boko haram Recommend

  • Jonbon Jovi

    Try to read Islamic history before trolling plzRecommend

  • Jonbon Jovi

    ahmadis believe inn the finality of the prophethood. plz do not comment as if you know ahmadi beliefs. All you know is what your local has told you. E.T plz publish this, I am sick and tired of these people who think that they know my beliefs Recommend

  • Jonbon Jovi

    the law is wrong. it is logically wrong, there is no precedence in the civilized world of such a law. It is ethically wrong, it is morally wrong.
    Tbh I have never seen such a confused comment as urs. You say that a law which says
    “any ahmadi who calls himself by a muslim name should be jailed”
    Is all right,
    But then you go on to say that we should condemn such extremist actions?
    Dude pick a side and stick to it, dont try to play for both sides, you sound like a hypocrite if you do.Recommend

  • Nb

    So, are the root of all the ills in Pak today …what are their motives-I mean,what’s in it for them..political clout or something else ? What do they get out of misleading the masses..Recommend

  • The only formula 4 world peace

    Editing of my first comment has ruined what I’m trying to convey.
    Pls understand that I’m in favour of secular goverments as they fulfil the requirements of all people-believers/non-believers/agnostics. I don’t agree with people who think that,their personal salvation depends on a nation-God covenant,ie shariah/perfect caliphates(as the process of establishing them leads to bloodshed & human rights violations).Like you,I believe in,individual covenant with the Almighty for salvation hand-in-hand with secular govt.s for the protection human rights,irrespective of religion,ie,complete separation of religion & state.Recommend

  • Gp65

    Completely agree with you.Recommend

  • Gp65

    The 5 pillars of Islam are
    1) reciting the kalima
    2) hajj
    3) Roza
    4) namaz
    5) zakat

    Please tell me which of these do they disagree with?

    Plus you are okay with the cruel ISIS calling themselves Muslim but have a problem with the Ahmadis calling themselves Muslim? Really?Recommend

  • Gp65

    Muslims in India are part of Muslim world even as they are proud Indians.Recommend

  • Gp65

    What Naila means is that Indian Muslims do not discriminate in that manner despite being part of Muslim world , thus contradicing what Pakistani said and supporting what Blackhat said. You on the other hand accept as factually correct what Pakistani said. So you are NOT saying the same thing.Recommend

  • Jonbon Jovi

    Ahmadis are peaceful and peace loving. We have no desire to “justify” preaching of our religion. tbh no one should have to justify preaching their religion, it is one of the basic human rights and everyone should be able to preach.Recommend

  • Gp65

    The aspect Prashant disagrees with about religious obligation unsolicited proselytization which shows lack of respect for other religions.Recommend

  • Parvez

    I couldn’t resist…….its the people of Britain, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland and possibly some others :-)Recommend

  • Indian

    Why do you make presumptions about my religion ?I don’t eat that either. I was just enquiring,since I find most of your opinions logical.I read your reply. Read & understood.Recommend

  • Amna Sarwar

    Beautifully written. Finally, a true account of the role Ahmadies played through out pakistan’s history.It is refreshing to see that a lot of tolerant muslims are finally standing up for the rights of minority.Recommend

  • abubakar

    Let me get this straight any social system with a 7th century undertone will never lead to a progressive society. But the thing is most people don’t realize or admit the shortcomings in the system itself instead they blame it on clerics and government and constitution.Recommend

  • Prashant


  • Prashant

    I am a victim of unsolicited advise. would someone help me please?Recommend

  • Jor El

    I wud disagree with u on 2 things:
    1) Indian muslims r not part of the muslim world. They r indians n india is not part of the muslim world. If u google a little, u will come to know that India is a blocked state in the OIC(after being formally invited to the OIC, India was ejected in 1969). Shashi Tharoor once commented that an organization that does not take 180 mil muslims seriously isnt taken seriously by the same 180 mil ppl.

    2) There is institutionalized discrimination against ahmedi muslims in india, not by state institutions, but by muslim institutions. For eg, by dar-ul-uloom, Islamic University of India and the AIMPLB. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya#India)
    However, the majority of the muslims i know dont discriminate against ahmedis(part of the reason being that they r not aware of a sect called ahmedis).

    Regarding my reply to naila, looking at it now, i believe it was not very well put by me.Recommend

  • نائلہ
  • نائلہ

    Why do bullies do what they do? They feed off control, off power. Exactly like these people. They mislead and corrupt the extremely vulnerable minds of the young and like to sit on the throne. All behind the mask of ‘religion’. Recommend