While ‘boys will be boys’ rape will be ‘sometimes right’ in India

Published: June 11, 2014

Babulal Gaur, Madhya Pradesh's Home Minister believes that rape is 'sometimes right, sometimes wrong'.

Babulal Gaur, Madhya Pradesh’s Home Minister, said,

“Rape is a mental disorder. Rapists do not inform police or government that they are going to rape. It cannot be curbed because it’s a mental disorder problem. We could have acted on motorists if they do not wear helmet. How can we prevent rape as it happens at a secluded place? This is a social crime which depends on men and women. Sometimes it’s right, sometimes it’s wrong.”  

The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has ostracised these remarks calling them the politicians ‘personal view and not in any way representative of the party’, but is that enough?

Should a person, pledged to preserving law and order, be given the authority or liberty to pass such irresponsible remarks? Can such statements be legitimised under the banner of freedom of speech? Is this tacit permission and acceptance of a dangerous rape culture rampant in Indian society?  Is this how a person in position of power is supposed to act? Are these the kind of role-models we want our kids to be imitating?

Also noteworthy is the fact that a statement is yet to be made by the Indian prime minister about the recent rape of two teenage girls in Uttar Pradesh (UP). On the international front though, the series of sexual transgressions in India has been met by clamour and the UN has condemned the heinous indulgence.

In another episode, Mulayam Singh Yadav, head of the regional Samajwadi Party who runs UP, attempted to chastise legal charges that foresee the death penalty for gang rape in his own nonsensical manner saying,

“When boys and girls have differences, the girl gives a statement that ‘the boy raped me,’ and that poor boy gets a death sentence.”

This string of insensitive statements made by Indian leaders is nothing new. These politicians have been seen giving the green signal to the objectification of women earlier too. Have you forgotten the time Laxman Savadi, Karnataka state minister for cooperation, was caught on camera sharing a porn clip during assembly talks with his colleague, CC Patil who, ironically, was the welfare minister for women and child development at the time?

While Mr Yadav could argue that boys make ‘mistakes’, such mistakes should not be made whilst sitting in the state assembly, or should it?

Unsurprisingly, like his father Akhilesh Yadav, Chief Minister of UP, also shares a very similar view on rape. Complaining about how the media is infatuated with UP and its problems, he said rape happens everywhere and all the media has to do is Google it and get the figures.

Thank you Mr Akhilesh for enlightening us about the existence of… Google was it?

Perhaps, while Googling these figures, the public will come across the alarming figures demonstrating how violent crimes touched a high of 33,824 incidents in 2012, including nearly 2,000 rapes and 4,966 murders under your governance.

And while we are at it, let’s not blame the media for throwing light on a topic that otherwise, probably due to your immense efforts, would have been conveniently swept under the rug. Instead of attacking the messenger, try correcting yourself and stop shirking your responsibilities towards the men and women around you.

Next up in line is Ramsevak Paikra, a Chhattisgarh minister who manages law enforcement. He said,

“Such incidents (rapes) do not happen deliberately. These kinds of incidents happen accidentally.”

In India, rape is reported every 21 minutes. While that may be an accident for you Mr Paikra, is the pint-sized conviction rate, of 26%, for rape cases in India, also by accident?

Another alarming aspect in these rape cases is that the Dalits, a mixed population in India that was traditionally regarded as the ‘untouchables’ have been routinely raped by the upper castes. Despite efforts being made to improve this situation of caste discrimination, the steps taken are, evidently, not enough. It is estimated that a crime is committed against a person from the Dalit caste every 18 minutes.

In a land where rape is on an alarming rise, politicians who do not respect women, and are so out rightly insensitive about the issues plaguing women in society, are a part of the problem – not the solution. The towering sexual violence in India will never be stemmed if leaders, responsible for ensuring law and order, have a mentality that protects rapists.

Ammarah Aftab

Ammarah Aftab

The author has completed her bachelors from NUST and is looking to encourage respect and value for all living creatures. She tweets as @ammarah_aftab (twitter.com/ammarah_aftab)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    There a LOT of regressive people in India. But, India is not by itself Regressive. For no country can pick people like Mahatma to lead them.

    Things have changed for the better and will continue to do so, but accelerating that change is the need for the hour.

    These statement about Rape is sickening. Modi in Parliament today told all the MPs, “Stop analysing Rape”.

    Laws are in place, which is the very first step. Implementation is the hardest part. Change of society’s attitude too will change, but accelerating it is of prime importance.Recommend

  • NITS

    Insipite of being an educated person u see India thru fish eye…. as u cant bracket whole India as anti-women! We are 1.3 billion people and opening up to a women friendly society, and if few have said/ done anything wrong then it doesn’t mean that rest of the people approves it.

    We do condemn all anti-women crime. Check our history/ present u will also find that for us, Hindus, the women are not only Gods but we make them the President, Prime minister, Leader of opposition, CEO Bankers, Astronauts, Athletes etc. in our country.

    I would have appreciated if it was a balanced article, but sadly it is only fixated to isolated anti-women crimes and u have failed in trying to magnify them…Recommend

  • nnnn

    pakistan has more rape than india per capita.Recommend

  • Modi_for_a_better_India

    Yes we agree we have a problem in our society, even though the recent rapes have happened only in certain lawlessness parts of the country. But I will concede and agree we have a problem even with all the factual errors in your article. Now I just want to know why should a woman in Pakistan have to produce 4 male Muslim witness to prove that she was raped? I am looking forward to from land of the pure where no rapes or violence happen on women to shed light on Mukhtaran Bibi.

    PS : Behind every rape in my country India, there are protests. We don’t sit and give a sermon.Recommend

  • BlackJack

    There is no excuse for rape, and we have lots of politicians with very little class – both are a national shame. Still, the glee in this article and the way it digs up and then conflates several events in an attempt to make an unfortunate subject into an even uglier spectacle is rather disturbing.Recommend

  • Naila

    Whyyyyy oh why are we discussing India for??? Let’s try and fix our own country!Recommend

  • Naila

    I find gp65 to be more unbiased actually, compared to the rest of the Indians on ET. Recommend

  • Supriya Arcot

    Is it something to boast ?Recommend

  • water bottle

    No Indian is foolish enough to blame a rape in India on Pakistan.

    I don’t know why you had to lie. And the rest of your comments are laughable. They are not even related to the topic.

    You belong in an asylum buddy.Recommend

  • Naila

    He speaks truth about trolls from India and you want to send him to an asylum. Sad. Recommend

  • iconoloclast

    I have a lot of pity for the author, her own country is in ruins and she is complaining about India. It’s like criticizing the shade of the drapes in your neighbor’s house while yours is burning down to a crisp. If this is what gives you solace as you watch your country collapse, we Indians don’t mind, continue!Recommend

  • antanu

    Please apply the same criteria on pakistan where a small section out of 1800 million people support talebans. Recommend

  • DK

    Rape happens in every society. Indian women have become much more proactive about reporting rapes and much more aggressive about demanding justice. What you are seeing is not a epidemic of rape but an epidemic of rapes being reported. Law enforcement, the justice system and the politicians all need to respond and all are responding. Indian men are just as supportive of this change. Modi’s Gujarat is one of the safest states for women. Many of the examples cited here are from UP which is one of the most lawless states. We are sure that this too will change over time.Recommend

  • IHateDisqus

    Yes, this is his rightful place if he thinks that Indians will blame Pakistan for rapes in India.Recommend

  • Sikander Khan Afridi

    This is a stellar article. long long overdue. Excellent job by the blogger.
    This is a true reflection of what Indian leaders are. Majority of them sick to the core. Reflection of the good old boys will be boys. No sensitivity or empathy.
    Culturally India is still in the 19th. Century. Caste system still going strong, all
    the other society’s evil still rampant. When you elect a leader like Lord Modi,
    who equates dead Muslims to dead puppies,..then you know the Old India of
    a bygone era is dead and gone. And the New India,….Recommend

  • Rakib

    Now that the Author has diligently collected unquotable quotes & has made a fantastically original discovery that many worthies are part of the problem, does she have any solution to suggest? Anything, anything to alleviate sufferings, may be even suggestions for post-trauma care, apart from making this brilliant anthology that is, would be welcome.Recommend

  • Gul Bahadarullah Magsi.

    This is an Indian troll who writes vile comments about Islam
    Muslims and Pakistan. It is surprising he is allowed on E T.
    He is perpetually found here in E T blogs. Hard to imagine
    someone having so much hate inside them. And being a normally
    functional human being.
    Very full of hatred and vitriol. Wonder how he treats Muslims
    in his every day life. [Wonder how these trolls treat Indian Muslims in
    in India. If they have this much negativity in them.]Recommend

  • Fareed Shinwari

    Most of these Indian trolls work in shifts. Every blog, every opinion section
    in E T is infested with them. They insert themselves in every each article

    Articles that have nothing to do with India, will have the required mandatory
    Indian trolls. Like a bad flea infestation. [Feel sorry for the Indian Muslims.]

    Pathetically they are all negative. And hateful. Have nothing good to say, Ever.Recommend

  • Shanawer

    “Yes we agree we have a problem in our society, even though the recent rapes have happened only in certain lawlessness parts of the country.”

    Instead of condemning rapes and the illogical statements by few of ur ministers, here u are again trying to justify, accept and defending rape by saying it happened in certain “lawlessness” parts of the country. Its ironic bcoz memory of delhi gang rape is still fresh. I hope ur capital city is not a lawlessness part of India or is it? It proves u and “alot” of Indian men like u are the part of problem. Im disgusted by comments of indians here instead of praising the “Pakistani girl ” which is trying to raise her voice against the alarming increase of rapes in india and hypocrisy of indian ministers u guys r acting like this.

    “Shining India”Recommend

  • Adhitya

    Dear Friend,
    She makes a larger point. Clearly she is fascinated by India and does a lot of research on the subject. Most places she has merely reported the facts. I’d thank the author for talking about this subject so comprehensively. Good work.Recommend

  • fze

    Only a sick mind could think like that.Recommend

  • Abdul Sattar Qamar

    You have portray the picture of India and mindset of Bhartia Janta Party. Rapists are living in all areas even in villages.Teenagers who view the Television and hot scenes in films almost go uncontrolled and they commit this ugly crime.Recommend

  • Malti Chaturvedi

    the incident happened in a remote lawless part of india………whereas farzana was killed for “honour” right in front of a court that too in a cosmopolitan city of pakistan………………..still no policeman suspended……. any write up about that??Recommend

  • Pakistani

    You will find gp65 commenting on all the bad news from Pakistan, dutifully informing us how bad/ regressive we are as a nation as whole. If something of the same sort happens in India she will again dutifully inform us how progressive they are ( compared to Pakistan as if that justifies it) and how certain acts don’t paint the accurate picture of secular, progressive and minority loving Shining India.Recommend

  • Maya

    That’s a typical Indian troll dragging Pakistan into a discussion about India when it is least related. The news is about India. Be ashamed and fix the problem rather than dragging other countries into your debateRecommend

  • Pak

    And how does this news relate to Pakistan? Don’t try to feel good about the shameless stats by pointing at other countries.Recommend

  • Syed

    Our politicians don’t support rape, not publicly at least. And for your information according to quran 4 witnesses are needed to prove adultery against a woman, its not the other way around.

    ” And those who calumniate chaste woman but bring not four witnesses — flog them eighty stripes and do not admit their evidence ever after” (An-Nur 24:5)

    This is the reason we demand Shariah Law because this is the only way to create a balanced society.Recommend

  • Shamsher Singh Dhillion

    By the way did justice did Mukhtara Mai ever get in Pakistan? oh thats right! she was told to marry her rapists!Recommend

  • Parvez

    The small pebble she threw did hurt a little han ?…….can you imagine the feeling we undergo when you’ll lobb rocks and sometimes boulder at us, justly or unjustly with self righteous glee and many a time open insults …….well at least now you know.
    Many factors force me to try hard and be neutral or moderate but on this point I feel I must speak up.Recommend

  • Necromancer

    Please Pakistani grow upRecommend

  • Talha Rizvi

    No dear you do I don’t spend my time obsessively posting on another country’s news papers.
    @ Naila: Thank you. But these trolls are allergic to the truth.Recommend

  • Atif

    We don’t need to comment on everything Indian. Please…Recommend

  • water bottle

    Can’t you see the lies in his nonsensical comment.

    Indians (trolls or not; by the way Pakistanis need to understand the meaning of the word troll) blame Pakistan whenever such doubts arise in our media or when we hear such voices from our government.

    We did not make up that Ajmal Kasab and his 9 companions came to India from Karachi. That’s an official statement.

    We did not make up that Indian embassy attack in herat was blamed on ISI.

    We did not make up that Osama had official patronage in Abbottabad.

    The list is long and when we mention them, you have a problem?Recommend

  • Anonymous

    This is a shameful comment. You need some serious therapy.Recommend

  • Adpran

    I am a Muslim from Indonesia and I have same question, why should a woman in Pakistan have to produce 4 male Muslim witness to prove that she was raped?.

    In other Muslim countries there’s no rule like this. The correct rule is, if someone accuse a woman commit adultery, this accusation have to be supported by 4 male Muslims who saw this adultery.Recommend

  • Ratnam

    Why bring Pakistan into this discussion? Is the treatment of women and minorities in India comparative? As an Indian man I am deeply shamed by the atrocious behavior of Indian men against women, particularly women from the lowest castes and minorities. The brutality against muslim women in the Godhra riots was so shocking that we can never forget. Now we hear of continuing violence against Dalit women.

    Why? What is wrong with our sick society? And why do we quote chapter and verse from the Gita and the Vedas, and cite our millions of Goddesses? Indian men deify women in their temples and then go out and commit unspeakable acts of violence against them in the fields. Shame on all of us, and on you, for thinking that we are doing just fine.Recommend

  • Sane

    Stop exposing women and vulgarity in Bollywood movies, rape shall come down itself.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    That is why Rape statistics in Muslim majority countries who have Sharia based laws is so skewed.

    4 witnesses are needed to consider Rape as a Rape. Else, its adultery or intercourse outside marriage, the consequences of which are deadly in most of the Islamic countries.

    What is so sad is, it can never change because there will always be a section of the society in the Muslim world which would want their laws compliant with Sharia, if not implementing Sharia in its entirety.Recommend

  • SamSal

    This is a global issue. We are not any different from India, by the way. The article reflects the Sub-continent mentality.Recommend

  • Seriously

    I love the Tribune.they are so worried about us.
    I will ask the government to allow FDI in Media too :P…Hope to see the Tribune in India soon.Recommend

  • Blue Liberal

    Very biased article,

    PLEASE Don’t say

    While ‘boys will be boys’ rape will be ‘sometimes right’ in India”

    No, I completely disagree & I’m an INDIAN(yes, are you surprised that I don’t support rapists?)


  • Blue Liberal

    rapes have occured even in Whashington D.C., please cry that americans are rapists!!!Recommend

  • Blue Liberal

    1 leader says so, & u judge 1.3 billion people, COOOL!!!Recommend

  • Blue Liberal

    Why am I biased, I’m also an unbiased Indian.Recommend

  • Blue Liberal

    Yes, now blame rapes on television, media, u r going good.

    P.S.-Waiting for you to blame rapes on Geo NEWS.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Dude, look at your own comment, you quote him “Yes we agree we have a problem in our society”.

    What else one needs to say?

    So, instead of “Yes we agree we have a problem in our society”, I think you read “There is no problem in our society”.

    Please read carefully.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    I am glad to see the inherent Racism was so obvious in your comment. That has been my point all this while.

    On the other hand, now you can imagine how India felt when Pakistanis came to Mumbai in November, 2008. This is just cyberspace, no harm done. 170+ people lost their lives that day in Mumbai, including Indian Muslims.

    FYI, more Muslims have been killed by Pakistani forces in Bangladesh in 1971 – 3 Million!, than Muslims have died in India.Recommend

  • Naila

    Ignoring that, did he say anything else wrong in his comment? No.

  • Aisha Qadir

    where do u get ur facts from? she wasnt asked to marry any of her rapists. infact now she is happily married to another guy in her village . and it was in fact a prayer leader in her village who raised her issue first and foremost. so STOP DISPLAYING ur ignorance. u r only embarassing ureslf.Recommend

  • mona

    U will find these bullies defending their wrongs to any extend. We r never ashamed of accepting the loopholes which r there in our system here in Pakistan. We r raising our voice for it unlike u guys pretending that rape z normal in India n so is it all over the worldRecommend

  • Aisha Qadir

    pakistani politicians dont condone such acts, the way indian politicians do. that was the main objective of the article. how hard is that to understand?Recommend

  • Aisha

    there have been many write ups on that, on which i guess many of ur dear country men have commented and judged the whole country as well.

    the article is abt ur leadership and the fact that u elect the same people to power.Recommend

  • Talha Rizvi

    Behave ok I’m a free citizen of Pakistan not an Indian muslim that you can bully by the way what is your rightful place?
    @ Necromancer: say this to your countrymen who inhabit this website like a virus.
    @ Pakistani: Agree Gp65 is an extremely biased person.
    @ water bottle: The amount of hate you display is shocking to say the least just like I predicted Indians are comparing with Pakistan so where am I wrong? Second who funded the Tamil tigers? I noticed the poison and vitriol in the Indian’ s comments when Your proxies were crushed by the Sri Lankan army.
    ET allow me to present my point of view,Recommend

  • exposingindia

    Out of 1000 rapes hardly one gets registered by the Police in India and even after that maybe 1% get justice. Please do not start comparing your country to others, in order to some how look ‘normal’

    Check any stats and every country in South Asia has a far better rape record.Recommend

  • exposingindia

    So when your politicans openly say rape is not a big thing. Its ok? I have not heard ANY pakistan or any other politican say that rape is okRecommend

  • exposingindia

    ofcourse the Delhi rapes, also happened in some lawless part of India..Recommend

  • JackZFlipper

    REALLY? A woman, a MUSLIM woman, a PAKISTANI MUSLIM woman is talking about India?

    At least we take action against rapists, protest against rapes out on the streets (Delhi) and GET the change we want by shaming these people.

    What exactly do you have? Ready to ask 4 people to prove your rape? How many of them were present during the rape? Or is that the part where you find out that Hindu women in your country were raped and converted while your SC said ‘she converted she looks happy, case dismissed’?

    Hilarious. I bet this comment won’t be published, but at least I know one of you read it.Recommend

  • JackZFlipper

    How is that American drone treating that paki freedom?Recommend

  • Umar Farooq

    Every time when there is an article like this. Indians start saying that this is also in pakistan. Indians think that if that crime is also in Pakistan they bacome happy. Please grow up dont relate everything with Pakistan.Recommend

  • Umar Farooq


  • Talha Rizvi

    same way they treated your diplomat in AmericaRecommend

  • Shamsher Singh Dhillion

    She was told to marry one of her rapist by a Judge!Recommend

  • Shamsher Singh Dhillion

    and everything is a conspiracy against the Ummah for you Pakistanis right?Recommend

  • sachal

    dude its not a single leader….its a leader chosen by 1.3 billion people…..Think about it!!!Recommend

  • sachal

    Its not about rape only….its about the illogical statements of your leaders….Recommend

  • Mazhar

    Mulayam Singh and his son Akhilesh Yadav are SP – a pro muslim party. Abu Azmi in fact went ahead to state that even the rape victims should be punished. Maybe author forgot to mention him because of his muslim name.

    Also, largest porn viewers have been found in Pakistan in a survey.Recommend

  • BlackJack

    Dear Sir, I appreciate your point of view, and you will find that I rarely comment on articles or blogs that are only focused on Pakistan and its domestic situation – I take no delight in saying ‘we told you so’ and don’t need to validate my beliefs through the misery of others. Anything negative that I read about my country hurts, but when it is a reporting of facts (for example, that horrific rapes are taking place in India all too frequently), I cannot complain – as I said, no excuses. Creative fiction is another subject altogether, naturally the subject and style often invite criticism, as is the case here.Recommend

  • Naila

    Highly unlikely. Indians have a separate set of rules for themselves and another for Pakistan. Recommend

  • Naila

    Bro, we arn’t far behind in the century we are living in either. Recommend

  • Rangoonwala

    Exactly ! A 10 hour a day job. Lots of overtime paid by the
    vicious anti Pakistan lobby funded in US. Straight from Dallas.
    At your service. Including hands shaking from from all the suppressed hate. [therefore hitting wrong keys, spelling
    mistakes included]Recommend

  • Maya

    And you missed the above comment. According to Islamic law you have to produce 4 witnesses if you accuse a woman/man of adultery. This is for protection of the innocentsRecommend

  • Rangoonwala

    After you towel off your patriotic tears, it seems you are in
    every blog, every opinion section of this newspaper. Is it a full
    time job with you? Actually it looks like you trolls work in packs.
    And shifts. This paper is inundated by trolls like you.
    Pakistanis can’t even slide in a comment. Edgewise. Hope
    your pain and suffering on behalf of your country reaches a bearable stageRecommend

  • Kim

    There is no legal term of “rape” or punishment for it recognized in Sharia. Have you ever read Umdat al Salik? Since there are no official laws against “rape” in Sharia, it is dealt with the same as adultery, which is why many justice systems use the “4 Muslim male witnesses” to prove “rape” (or rather, “illegal sexual intercourse”)Recommend

  • abhi

    This is good article and your concern is valid. Mulayam singh lost the central election badly and same will happen coming state elections as well.Recommend

  • abhi

    Talha ji it is a known fact. Even in UK muslims do that and there have been protests against this. This is a favourit method used by muslim evanglists.Recommend

  • water bottle


    Why ignore that?

    That’s his nonsensical point.

    He even starts his entire tirade on that nonsense.

    And read my comment 100 times and understand what I am saying.Recommend

  • Parvez

    Point well made and understood…….I am getting old and the one thing I clearly now understand is that harbouring hate only prolongs the issues and in most cases especially on this forum the knowledge exhibited is mostly selective, in order to ‘ score points ‘ and not in the spirit of enlightened discourse. Its more like a spectator ‘ full body contact sport ‘ and the Indian side is very good at it…….please note that that is not a compliment.
    What I do like is that both you and GP65 have the capacity to understand my ramblings.Recommend

  • antanu.

    It’s horrible that you are justifying the rapes in India since in Pakistan a woman has to produce four witnesses for the crime.its sick and insane.we have a problem bro and must admit it..then only a solution could be found. Please don’t try to justify it.and also note….an article in Pakistan over issues in India hurts us Indians. ..likewise an article in India against pakistan would hurt the county’s sentiments.Recommend

  • antanu

    It’s indeed shameful. ..any sane person would be ashamed of what’s happening in hour country. However even more shameful is the attitude of commentators who just try to justify it just because it’s happening in Pakistan. Recommend

  • Sid

    And there are no rapes in Pakistan, because there are no vulgarity in Pakistani movies , correct ?
    Rape is a sick mindset of individual, nothing to do with his nationality, or religion. There is more nudity in western movies and tv series and people in west do not use that as an excuse for rape cases in those countries.
    Seriously your comments have never been “Sane”, so please come up with a better suitable one.Recommend

  • MK

    You are right, but when there is rape the police in pakistan file a report saying it never happened !Recommend

  • Prashant

    Let us agree to disagree Naila.Recommend

  • Prashant

    This was indeed an irresponsible politician. I agree.

    India should borrow a few Pakistani politicians like Sheikh Rasheed who are from the 23rd century( which is actually 14th century) . That would bring us at par with Pakistan.Recommend

  • Prashant

    “Muslims were killed more then hindus in this riot ”

    You cannot complain that you have been punched a dozen times for punching someone stronger than you. You challenged a boxer , he accepted the challenge and you could not fight.

    I am sorry if that was too blunt but the call for direct action cannot be justified and I refuse to agree that lesser number of Hindus died during the ” Great Calcutta Killings”Recommend

  • Prashant

    Behave ok I’m a free citizen of Pakistan not an Indian muslim that you can bully by the way what is your rightful place?

    You must not be an Ahmadiya, Masih, Hindu, Shia. Am I right?

    Talha, India does not have the sole right over bullying.Recommend

  • Prashant

    And they got it back unlike the Raymond Davis case.

    How is that American drone treating that paki freedom?

    “That was pretty rude though”Recommend

  • Prashant

    We can treat Muslims and muslims can treat Hindus as we still live together in large numbers. I guess trolls in your country go around spreading peace with Hindus.Recommend

  • Prashant

    You do not have to love the minorities to treat them well. It is a decision a nation state needs to take and accordingly make the safeguards to ensure they are treated well all along as that is the right thing to do for any civilized society.

    Yes we are secular however imperfect that may be atleast compared to some of the countries where in the very word ” Secularism” is an abuse/ insult.

    We are progressive but not as much as we would like to be.

    We are shining in parts and hope to shine for every Indian in future.Recommend

  • Blue Liberal

    No, that leader in this article(Mulayam Singh Yadav), is not the PM of India(he is not choosen by 1.3 billion people). He is just the father of the CM of some Indian state.Recommend

  • Anwar Kamal

    The accused rapist should be castrated.Recommend

  • Shanawer

    I never said that Indians are rapists. Im just saying that rape cases are growing in India day by day aswell in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Shanawer

    You guys agree bcoz u cant deny it and what about “even though the recent rapes have happened only in certain lawlessness parts of the country” part?Recommend

  • BlackJack

    Thank you. To be fair, while choice of words and levels of politeness may differ, my view of Pakistan is often similar to that of many Indians on this forum, and is shaped by our shared history. There are a minority of us who are fuelled by hatred, and should be ignored; I represent a majority view and will not be missed. You on the other hand, ostensibly represent a minority view, and the sang-froid and sagacity (which you unkindly describe as ramblings) that you bring provide far greater value to everyone.Recommend

  • Naila

    Racism? Point out where. You are smart enough to know what a troll means. Also, removing the indian Muslims bit, do you not agree with the comment? Seriously? Do you guys think you are spreading love?! Recommend

  • Talha Rizvi

    Good then you also should not cry when you get punched. Muslims were less then one-fourth of the population of Calcutta and they got the worst brunt of the riots.
    Second you guys climbed on roof tops and sprayed bullets on Muslim processions so tell me who started the riot?”
    Prashant stop pretending you care for ahmedis or shias.
    In 1947 Ahmedis were also targeted and forced to left their head quarters in Gurdaspur for Pakistan.
    hindus make no distinction between shias and Sunnis when it comes to killing.
    As for Christians try catching the perpetrators of the Orissa riots first
    @ Water bottle; It is amazing that a troll like you is calling me a troll.
    @ abhi: As if Indians are so good.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    I don’t visit indian blog sites, simply because I have nothing to do with your country; of course you are free to visit any Pakistani website. But tell me, how would you know if his opinions are of a majority or a minority? Do Pakistanis come on your sites and spread hatred like your fellow Indians do on E T? From a Pakistani’s perspective, online at least, it’s clear to us that Indians who are ‘fuelled by hatred’ against Pakistan are not a minority. Recommend

  • Naila

    Reference your claim. Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    We can say the same thing about Pakistanis.

    For example, Terror in Kashmir is Freedom Fight, but in Pakistan its Terror. China helping a war torn country like Pakistan is alright, but India should not help out Afghanistan. I can give many more examples.. but this should suffice.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Maybe Mai wasn’t asked but Police in Pakistan regularly do that..


    “Basically, in Pakistan rape is a crime against the state, as it is in most countries. However, we have seen time and again the state absolving itself of that responsibility. We have had judges sitting in their own chambers, calling in the accused and the survivor and try to strike some kind of reconciliation through monetary compensation or otherwise, or even just asking the survivor or the guardian of the survivor to forgive the accused. It’s a very warped system.

    There have been marriage options given to survivors very often.”

    Judges asking victims to forgive and marry the Rapist.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop