Pakistan cannot be an ‘Islamic’ republic, not if women are being raped everyday!

Published: March 15, 2014
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In Pakistan, if a woman is raped and she reports the incident, she is considered shameless, unworthy and the society shuns her. No one wants to marry her because she is no longer pure. PHOTO: REUTERS

In Pakistan, if a woman is raped and she reports the incident, she is considered shameless, unworthy and the society shuns her. No one wants to marry her because she is no longer pure. PHOTO: REUTERS In Pakistan, if a woman is raped and she reports the incident, she is considered shameless, unworthy and the society shuns her. No one wants to marry her because she is no longer pure. PHOTO: REUTERS/FILE

On March 13, 2014 a girl from Muzaffargarh set herself on fire outside the local police station when justice was not served to her. This innocent girl was allegedly gang raped by five rapists, who were granted bail by the police.

People just stood there, watching her burn alive – as if she was giving a circus performance and our efficient media covered the incident from every angle possible to make sure it sold like hot-cakes on TV.

The mother threw sand on her daughter in an attempt to save her. And finally one policeman, among the dozens who were watching, remembered his duty and started helping the mother douse the fire. Unfortunately, the girl succumbed to her burns and passed away on March 14, 2014.

Rape is defined as any form of sexual behaviour forced upon another person but this definition is not complete. Rape includes sexual violence, harassment, verbal abuse, leering and threats. It is an act performed by people who use power to fulfil their lust.

The effects of rape on a victim are both physical and psychological and can lead to lifelong trauma, if neglected. Physical wounds can still heal but psychological effects stay with the victim for a long time. The victim may suffer from shock, depression, self-blame, loss of appetite, personality disorder, fear, a feeling of powerlessness and flashbacks. Sometimes the trauma is so severe that it can eventually lead to suicide.

In Pakistan, the situation is often even worse. If a woman is raped and she reports the incident, she is considered shameless, unworthy and the society shuns her. No one wants to marry her because she is no longer ‘pure’. This is why most rape cases are not registered. Some women stay silent to avoid the stigma and rejection while others choose to end their lives.

Unfortunately, our society turns the victim into a culprit.

Pakistan is considered an Islamic state that follows Shariah, based on the Holy Quran and Sunnah. Being an Islamic state, it is supposed to have a peaceful and just system whereby every human being, regardless of their gender or status, is treated equally.

Keeping this definition in mind, the Hudood Ordinance itself is a form of injustice and against Islamic principles. According to this ordinance, four adult Muslim men are required as witnesses before a rapist can be convicted. If we use common sense, we would realise that the victim herself can never produce four witnesses. If that were the case, wouldn’t the witnesses have stopped the rape from happening in the first place?

According to Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, if a person makes an allegation of rape against another person (male or female), he or she must produce four witnesses to support such an allegation; otherwise, he or she is guilty of slandering which is a grave offense in Islam that requires its followers to avoid tarnishing the honour of others.

Unfortunately, many rape victims have been blamed for adultery due to this ordinance instead of being treated as victims, simply because they were unable to produce any witnesses.

The Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) has been actively involved in making Pakistan an Islamic state with their unending support of the Shariah law. Recently, they proposed that the husband need not ask permission from his wife before getting married again, since he is allowed (by Islam) to have four wives.

I wonder if the CII understands that there are other societal issues which require strict laws to be implemented, rather than creating a nonsensical issue over asking permission. It baffles me that our leaders fail to protect a woman’s honour and sit by quietly while mothers, daughters, sisters and wives are raped on a daily basis.

Where does their Islamic ideology go then?

Yes, Pakistan is an Islamic state. But only in name. It is ruled by people who implement laws based on religion only to satisfy themselves and for their own personal gains.

This is not Islam; this is playing god.

Muzaffargarh was just one incident. There have been more and, sadly, there will be more because our laws have given these rapists a license to rape. Our laws allow hideous men to commit evil acts on women who are helpless and have no rights. These men are then allowed to run scot-free so that they can boast about their ‘manliness’.

I ask the leaders of Pakistan and the CII, is Pakistan really an Islamic state?

Are the laws of the country based on Islamic teachings?

Is this what justice is?

Will justice ever be served to the victims?

Unfortunately, given the sad state of affairs, we already know the answers to these questions.

No, Pakistan is not an Islamic state; if it was, no innocent life would be taken due to injustice.

No, our laws are not based on the Quran and Sunnah. If they were, we would have a peaceful society where each and every one of us felt safe.

No, this is not justice because if it was, no one would dare to commit such heinous crimes again.

And no, justice will never be served because our leaders are blinded by power and lust.

Laws in Pakistan are man-made and have little or no essence of Islam in them. And until something is done, things are likely to remain the same. Our women will keep on suffering and our leaders will keep on sitting on their thrones, making only those adjustments which are beneficial to them.

Pakistan will continue to be raped every day and we will continue losing innocent lives to injustice.

Abeer Pervaiz

Abeer Pervaiz

A graduate from the University of Amsterdam, she works as a Research Assistant at LUMS. Loves to travel and sketch fashion Illustrations. She tweets as @AbeerPervaiz (twitter.com/AbeerPervaiz)

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  • raw is war

    @ Abeer Pervaiz , pray tell me which “Islamic Republic” in this world respect women?Recommend

  • Muhammad Bilal

    If we want justice the first step we have to finish corruption.Police mostly is corrupt they always support power and money. When fuddles will hang for their sins then we will see peace every where.Recommend

  • unbelievable

    Pakistan has drunks, drug addicts, homosexuals, murderers, terrorist, and every problem know to mankind – calling a country the Land of the Pure or an Islamic Nation doesn’t change basic nature of man. The big challenge facing the Land of the Pure is it’s inability to look in the mirror and accept that change is necessary.Recommend

  • Ammar

    Ma’m…for your kind info Pakistan is among the countries with lowest rape cases reported…America and India being on top…

    Secondly there is no issue with presence of Law…the issue is with implementation…if the current Law is implemented correctly…i am quite sure None of the culprit can escape…Recommend

  • SNLDallas

    Very good article. May Allah gives wisdom to Pakistanis to follow the true teaching of Islam. May the victims will get justice, authorities open their eyes and force law and order in country.Recommend

  • Leila Rage

    Dear author,

    4 witnesses are not at all required in rape cases in Islamic law- Only adultery allegations require witnesses and rape and adultery are TOTALLY different.Recommend

  • Mr Bajwa

    I agree with your point of view. Justice is the key Value of ISLAM. Our Religious Personalities set great examples of Justice. But unfortunately there is nothing like justice in Islamic Republic of Pakistan.Recommend

  • Malti Chaturvedi

    y is pakistan obsessed with becoming islamic republic?? why not become just pakistan??Recommend

  • goggi (Lahore)

    Pakistan cannot be an ‘Islamic’ republic, not if women aren´t raped everyday!

    It depends on how one defines a rape! Muslims are very talented to cheat with their own conscience!
    For example sexual intercourse with scared underage girls from their half century old husbands is a hideous crime, a rape on the stage with the whole society as clapping audience.

    1. Sidra is 13 years young child with her 8 months old daughter!

    2. The photo speaks for itself!Recommend

  • normskyy

    Women fearing conviction under Section 10(2) frequently bring charges of rape under 10(3) against their alleged partners. The FSC finding no circumstantial evidence to support the latter charge, convict the male accused under section 10(2)….the women is exonerated of any wrongdoing due to reasonable doubt rule.

    (Charles Kennedy: The Status of Women in Pakistan in Islamization of Laws page 74)

    This is what an unbiased non-Muslim scholar who has got no sympathies toward the Hudood Ordinance observed with regard to such women who had actually consented to committing Zina, and then due to the pressure from side of their families, tried to declare their deed as Zina bil Jabr. They were not asked to produce four witnesses, but to furnish circumstantial evidence. On being unable to furnish circumstantial evidence which would give weight to their claim of having been raped, only the male parties were punished, whereas the female parties went unpunished, as no transgression could be proven on their part. Hence there is no such clause in the Hudood Ordinance according to which, if a woman fails to produce four witnesses to support her claim of having been raped, she is to be punished rather than the offender.Recommend

  • Undhyu Patil

    what has religion got to do with rape? don’t bring religion into crimes please! it is the society and the law which has to change.Recommend

  • Faraz Talat

    We are an Islamic state.

    For us, ‘religion’ is essentially the other name for ‘all that is good and solves everything’. In that context, no we’re not an Islamic state.

    It’s high time we learn that religion simply doesn’t mix well with politics (irrespective of how good the religion is) and our laws should be based on the changing needs of time. Instead, we watch our religious administrations fail and claim that the answer to the quandary is even MORE religion. We keep doubling down on a system that has consistently failed to work,

    Please stop that.Recommend

  • Danyal Behlim

    A dead nation. We are the biggest Hypocrates
    Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif announced Rs0.5 million for the family of the rape victim who set herself on fire in Muzaffargarh,
    and than we will all forgetRecommend

  • nishantsirohi123

    it was CII only that declared that DNA test is not acceptable in rape case.Recommend

  • unbelievable

    Last time I looked Islam required multiple witnesses for the case of rape – one might argue that if you want to reduce rape you shouldn’t wish for an Islamic State. I should also point out that women are often treated as inferiors in Islamic countries which probably contributes to rape as well.Recommend

  • S

    Author is quite confused, probably by anger, which is justified.

    Pakistan is Islamic only by name yes, but not just with issues related to women. Corruption, deception to name a few. Injustice is everywhere, wherher it’s rape victims or not. I also don’t understand the need to bring CII. CII doesn’t say don’t marry a rape victim. most issues author mentioned r related to culture (South Asian culture).

    Rape is horrible and punishment is death by stoning. And needs to be implemented just like any other law.

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  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Considering most Islamic states, including Malaysia, have similar laws, how can you call it Un-Islamic?

    So, many of these states are wrong, but liberal Muslims are right.

    If you have a point and it makes sense, why use the crutch of Religion? Considering even a modern state like Malaysia sentenced a woman to be caned for the crime of drinking Beer, your defence can easily be struck down.Recommend

  • Imad Uddin

    Our society has doomed. Totally. At all levels. May Allah bless her soul and forgive all her sins.
    Qu puts the requirement of four witnesses in the context the a woman would be innocent unless proven guilty by four witnesses, and not in the context tht a woman must be presumed guilty unless proven innocent.Recommend

  • http://batman-news.com Amazing Gross

    We are doomed. We refuse to stand up to troglodytes who are bent upon tarnishing the good name of Islam. There is no chance of a recovery.
    God have mercy upon usRecommend

  • Mr Bajwa

    Because our base is #ISLAM. Only Pakistan cannot exist.Recommend

  • Parvez

    When Pakistan was born it was named simply Pakistan. The story of religion descending on the country is a tragic and a varied one. The end result is that today we are known as the Islamic Republic of Pakistan……..and we are much the poorer for it.Recommend

  • mayo

    I agree with the author, this country is not being governed according to the ‘code of life’ inscribed in the Quran and sunnah. Mind you, Islam is not only a religion, its a lifestyle which encompasses our political, ecocomical, social and religious aspects of life. It has the solutions to the day to day problems that we face, so please dont try to do away with it as its for your own good. If you do, keep in mind that that you are living the without a purpose in this world. As in this case, Islam requires 4 witnesses for adultery NOT rape. clear these misconceptions
    And ET pls publish my comment,Recommend

  • James Malish

    At least in India the rapist are caught and punished severly. Not only that the indian public of all religious background come out and protest when a rape occurs, lest the rapist go unpunished. I am an ex-pakistani chritian living in USA/Canada, i would rather go back to india than the land of impure. shame!Recommend

  • Nonbeliever

    “We are an Islamic state.”

    Unfortunately for you. You were a much better people when you were Hindu, before barbarism invaded and destroyed your souls.Recommend

  • Syed Mubeen Hussain Sabzwari

    we are not following the codes of Islam by any means, therefore, we will have to suffer. Allah bless us!Recommend

  • lorraine

    DNA evidence is not accepted as PRIMARY evidence, as DNA can only prove that sex took place, it cannot determine whether it was consensual or forced. However DNA needs to be considered as secondary evidence, when physical, medical or other evidence indicate that force was used. If a woman has been clearly bashed, force is thereby established, and DNA is merely evidence of who perpetrated the crimeRecommend

  • lorraine

    That is exactly the point of the article – so many women do not report rape for fear of the repercussionsRecommend

  • Pappu

    Adultery is done with the consent of both, therefore no need for witnesses. Rape is done without consent therefore witnesses required. How a girl will prove “she is raped” in an islamic court??
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  • Nobody

    This fight to make Pakistan an Islamic utopia is what will ultimately be the downfall of Pakistan. If it continues on this path supported by the ridiculous and obsolete CII and like minded loonies, it will fail. YOUR personal base can be Islam; Pakistan’s does not have to be. We can see what that has done to a nation that started off on a very different far more stable path pre-Zia era. Trying to force Islam down everyone’s throat has created anarchy, chaos and devolution in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Nobody

    Are you joking?
    And btw, rape rates will naturally be higher because rates of REPORTING rape are higher. And justice and law in Pakistan is currently a joke. What a naive and frankly, offensive, statement.Recommend

  • Insights

    The punishment for adultery in Islam is very severe. If proved to have taken place, then the act of “sansaar” or “stoning to death” is permitted. However, since such a severe punishment should not be misused by members upholding law or justice, the system calls for not one but four witnesses. This is seen as a way to ensure that if someone has been so shameless to really run amock with his/her own desires thereby crushing the fabrics of society then the sansaar is authorised.

    While i stand with you on the stance that rape is the most vile form of mistreatment by men against women, i believe that the 4 witness system is for both parties involved (as was the intention behind the logic).

    Perspective plays a very important role. For example(hypothetical ofcourse) any wrongfull allegation of rape by a woman against a man will automatically send the man into a widely publicized and inescapbale label of being a rapist. hence proving that with 4 witnesses is essential.

    what we CAN do is improve security. CCTV circuits should be increased, improving societies problems with matters of financial, norms and customs, religious clarity & unity in nature are important to stop such acts,

    Surely, attacking the only defense mechanism for both parties is not the solution.Recommend

  • Fatima Wahab

    It is a very common and widespread misconception that a woman needs to produce a witness to prove rape. This is only in the case of adultery (consensual sex). In the case of rape, other evidence is examined. To quote an example, read Surah Yousaf in the Quran. Unfortunately, the CII have said that DNA evidence may not be used as a basis of conviction in a rape case. A few years ago, a woman was gang rapes in Karachi outside the tomb of Quiad-e-Azam and the judge dismissed the case because she could not produce 4 witnesses. Our laws are NOT based on Sharia, they are based on what suits us best.Recommend

  • Fatima Wahab

    Please read Surah YousafRecommend

  • Farrukh

    I agree, we were better Muslims before we were presented with tailored version of Islam, I wonder day by day barbarianism is increasing in this society, everyone of us is a suicide bomber in his/her own capacity, we are ready to explode any moment, over a small issue, we are ready to fight, die or kill, a totally intolerant society. We take pride “Being Muslims”, I wonder at the mental state of people, we should take pride in how good Muslims we are ( which we are certainly not) rather we take the credit of just being born in a Muslim family. Its easy to find people pointing fingers to Western world but perhaps those societies are balanced, and near to what Islam teaches us, rule of law, respect for elders, human rights, tolerance, that is how we should have been as a nation, but unfortunately we are “PLAIN MUSLIMS”. with no Islamic values or teachings, with no moral or social norms, we are just living like a herd. No one needs to sell his own version of Islam, which has caused more confusion and this state of confusion has taken us far from being Muslim, maybe human. Islam should have been the cause to unite us, but so far it has built walls and we stand divided as a nationRecommend

  • Supriya Arcot

    I think the problem lies in the unbalanced sex ratio on many countries ( not just the subcontinent ) . Fewer women means not many men getting women to marry , frustration on the rise and general upheaval in the society . A man who grows up in a “full” house with aunts , uncles, girl cousins , sisters is better fit for social life .Recommend

  • Leila Rage

    Actually, how will adultery allegations be proved? That’s the thing- in Islam, the core principle is Justice and Truth, not cowardice. According to Islamic law, adultery allegations must be proved by 4 witnesses to the actual act of sexual intercourse so that people don’t carelessly throw around such allegations to malign the reputations of others.

    For rape, a victim’s testimony was enough for the Prophet (PBUH)- how can it not be enough for Muslims today? See 4366, Sunan Abu-Dawud (narrated by Wa’il ibn Hujr). Do you really think that a woman would risk her reputation and chances in life to falsely accuse someone of rape? To what purpose? The assumption that if 4 witnesses are not used in rape cases somehow all women will go crazy making false rape allegations is absurd and completely insane to say the least.Recommend

  • Leila Rage

    Because most countries, including Malaysia are applying laws that are not Islamic. Rather they are applying the laws of ‘psychotic-women-hating-mullahism’.Recommend

  • Leila Rage

    Yes it was the CII not the Quran or Sunnah.Recommend

  • Leila Rage

    Medical and psychological examinations can prove rape. DNA evidence is very important because women do not lie about rape in a society where such an allegation (that they were raped) means that their whole life is basically destroyed- and no one would risk that for anything, living in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Leila Rage

    Rapists are caught and punished severely in India? Caught maybe, but punished? Have you not heard that courts in India have shamelessly put the death penalty of the mumbai rape (of dec 2012) on hold for the present. Do you call that punishment?Recommend

  • Pappu

    As a result of Adultery (consensual sex) a girl would become pregnant ( go back 14 centuries), why there was need for witnesses?? Adultery ( sex with consent) would never be done in front of 4 people. This condition does not make sense. Becoming pregnant itself was the only proof of adultery.
    Hazrat Ayesha was accused of adultery where Prophet of Islam asked people for “four witnesses” to prove their accusation ( Sura Nur). “Also Prophet send Ayesha to his parents and waited for one month” and than Quran revealed that Hazrat Ayesha is innocent.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Accusation_of_adulteryRecommend

  • Pappu

    Please read Sura Nur where 4 witnesses are discussed.

    Also read below to understand why Prophet of Islam asked for 4 witnesses and waited one month to prove Hazrat Ayesha innocent against accusations of adultery.

    http://www.iqrasense.com/islamic-history/the-slander-against-ayesha-ra-mother-of-the-believers-and-her-vindication-by-allah.htmlRecommend

  • Pappu

    Please read Sura Nur where 4 witnesses are discussed.

    Also read below to understand why Prophet of Islam asked for 4 witnesses and waited one month to prove Hazrat Ayesha innocent against accusations of adultery.

    http://www.iqrasense.com/islamic-history/the-slander-against-ayesha-ra-mother-of-the-believers-and-her-vindication-by-allah.Recommend

  • Pappu

    “In the case of rape, other evidence is examined”

    Can you please hi light quotes from Quran/ Hadith to prove your statement. What is the “other evidence” in the light of Quran/ Hadith?Recommend

  • lorraine

    People the world over, lie about all sorts of things. DNA evidence might be able to prove the identity of the rapist, but by itself, cannot prove that rape took place. Corroborating evidence is required for that. If, as you say, “Medical and psychological examinations can prove rape”, then hopefully DNA can help convict him/them.Recommend

  • Leila rage

    Rape can lead to pregnancy too.Recommend

  • Leila Rage

    Yes for adultery- not for rape. Get your facts straightRecommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    So all those Islamic republics, who number more than a dozen, are implementing uncannily similar un-Islamic laws. What are the chances.

    The lies people tell themselves..

    I know your ideology is close to your heart, so rational thinking goes out of the window.Recommend

  • Ammar

    Well! the situation is far worse in other countries than u think(sitting in pk)…there is always a comparison…

    and if you think that 100% rape cases are reported in other countries then kindly correct your source of info…Recommend

  • Sonia K

    Ok so now “Islamic” is causing problems…. just coz rape and adultery have become common …… y is that?

    A country’s name cannot be changed because some of its IRRESPONSIBLE citizens decide to deride the the main religion. Just because some idiots and fanatics happen to belong to Pakistan, we need to change the name of the country and hit on the country’s name…. how foolish can the people commenting here get????

    There is one class of people doing a mistake…. and then there is another banking on that mistake and creating a hype and calling for a change in the nomenclature instead of trying to solve the problem or legislating….. such blogs are futile…… has anyone so far reached out a helping hand to such victims and tried to restore their mental balance…… instead of discussing pathetic nomenclature of Pakistan and how it should be named!!!!!Recommend

  • abhi

    wow you want to be more islamic than this!Recommend

  • Mr Bajwa

    Dear very few people try to blame Islam for every wrongdoing in Pakistan. Actually they are unable to understand what ISLAM is.Recommend

  • Mr Bajwa

    Majority knows most of the wrongdoings is because of not implementation of ISLAM in true sense. Islam says Justice is right of everyone without any division of status. Even ruler is answerable for its deeds. But here no justice for poor

    Islam teach us value of humanity. Islam says killing of single human is killing of whole humanity
    Islam teach us honour of human is more than honour of KABAA. But here we kill innocents for no reasons.

    Islam teach us all humans are equal. but here people are class conscious, specially so called liberals

    most important Islam says economic system should be interest free. wealth should not rest in few hands only but circulate in society like blood in human body. Here, exactly opposite happened.

    Would you tell me which Islamic rule implementation cause country’s downfall.Recommend

  • gp65

    Well this common misconception seems to be shared by CII which also says that 4 good men are required in a rape case. http://www.dawn.com/news/1044879/cii-rules-out-dna-as-primary-evidence-in-rape-casesRecommend

  • gp65
  • gp65

    Putting death penalty on hold in response to an appeal does not mean they were acquited or got bail.Recommend

  • gp65

    Really? India is at the top? Can you provide data source? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

    Secondly, even in India rapes are underreported due to social stigma – though that is changing. But in Pakistan where the CII requires 4 good men to provide evidence in case of rape and where conviction rate is less than 1% but stigma for girl and her family is 100% how likely is it that girls would report rape?

    Secondly there is also a matter of how rape is defined. India, Pakistan etc. do not recognize marital rapeRecommend

  • gp65

    Really? The problem with low rates of conviction of rapists is corruption in police? Not the laws of evidence in case of rape?Recommend

  • mrs. chishti

    You wrote: “According to Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar
    at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, if a person makes an allegation of
    rape against another person (male or female), he or she must produce four witnesses to
    support such an allegation; otherwise, he or she is guilty of
    slandering which is a grave offense in Islam that requires its followers
    to avoid tarnishing the honour of others.” THIS IS COMPLETELY FALSE!!

    Sheikh Ahmad Kutty said: “In Islam, we are not allowed to tarnish
    the honor of anyone. One is required to produce four witnesses when
    making an allegation of ADULTRY against another person; otherwise, one
    will be guilty of slandering. HE FURTHER SAID: A raped woman is a victim that must be treated with honor and kindness.
    She is NOT REQUIRED to produce four witnesses to prove the crime done
    against her, nor is she punished for the crime done against her.”

    Source: http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_351_400/rape_against_muslim_women.htm

    What good do you gain from lying SO BLATANTLY against the Shaikh? May Allah guide you…Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Jinnah in 1948 : “”Some are misled by propaganda. Islamic principles are as applicable to life as they were 1,300 years ago. The Constitution of Pakistan will be made on the basis of the sharia.”

    Another quote of Jinnah :
    “Pakistan came into being the day the 1st Indian embraced Islam”

    “I could not understand a section of people who deliberately wanted to create mischief and made a propaganda that the constitution of Pakistan would not be made on the basis of Shariat.”

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/484417/as-nation-remembers-jinnah-speakers-fear-his-legacy-has-been-forgotten/

    I don’t think Islamisation started with Zia. What do you think?Recommend

  • Pappu

    Yes, but to determine the rapist there is no formula in Islam. Actually there was no concept of rape in arabia in those times as women were easily available for sex. ( multi wives and slaves).Recommend

  • Pappu

    Same will apply for rape (4 witnesses) as there is no other method mentioned in Quran/ Hadith to identify the rapist.Recommend

  • Ammar
  • Ammar
  • someone

    Ah a very good question. I have a theory about it. Not sure if it would be published but here it is nevertheless. You see, with the demand of a new country under two nation theory, it became necessary for People of Pakistan to disown everything that could relate them to India/Hindus. Their main identity became a “Muslim” identity which overshadowed their “Pakistani” identity. They had to use world “Islamic” because without it, there was no need for a separate country for the Muslims of the sub continent. If you ask any Pakistani about their first identity, in most of the cases it would be Muslim first and Pakistani second. Now, there is a rat race in Pakistan on who is “true” Muslim. This responsibility of defining a “true” Muslim is with Muslim religious organizations for all practical purposes because the mass has limited understanding of Quran, because it is in Arabic, and so they rely on their religious “scholars” to interpret Islam for them.Recommend

  • someone

    Not a single protest by any one anywhere in Pakistan???? Hmm how one does expect the society to change?Recommend

  • nishantsirohi123

    Those who think that may be sharia law can save pakistan, are sadly mistaken. No matter what rule and law is declared in the parliment, it would never be implemented because of the feudalistic structure of society, which means powerful individuals are above any law. These jagirdars do each and everything imaginable on their estates, from hunting endangered animals, dog fights, etc to mujaras, and slavery. So it won’t really make difference to them even if taliban or hindu baniya is in power.Recommend

  • nishantsirohi123

    Then why is it not being talked about to change, shouldnt that judge be dismissed, or at least the interpretation be made more clear and distinct. Who has to talk about this…? media, NGOs, Lawyers(i have little faith in them since the shezan juice boycott and mumtaz qadri’s “reception”) or politicians.Recommend

  • nishantsirohi123

    so if the 4 men witnessed a rape, shouldnt they stop the act, you know like beat up the rapist, hand him over to police.Recommend

  • nishantsirohi123

    the convict is still in jail, and trial is on. DNA and medical evidence are being used. and no “religious groups” are questioning the validity of these methods of forensic investigationsRecommend

  • Muhammad Bilal

    O Man this corruption can erase all evidences. In these cases Doctors usually make false reports, Against powerful people you will never find any witness because they either afraid or ready to sell. Police will try fully to register a weak case & even in lower courts every body has a price.
    Ok, maybe you are talking about DNA evidence i am in favor of this but still with this corruption you will find fake DNA reports.Recommend

  • Leila Rage

    Rape is not just about sex. Sorry, but you are very misinformed. I believe in a just God, and a just God would not deny a person justice and condemn them to the silence of a living hell, just because 4 characterless men didnt stand around and observe their very being being assaulted and insulted – what better witness is there than God? Do you think God need 4 witnesses to know whether rape took place? Forensic evidence, plus medical examination and a psychiatric interview can easily and efficiently determine whether or not rape took place- that is all that is needed. But I know this will not change your opinion one bit so you can go back to believing in and worship your idea of a misogynistic deity who created women just for them to be tortured and used by men, and I can peacefully continue to trust in a God who cares for all of His creation. Goodbye.Recommend

  • Leila Rage

    Rational thinking is very much present.
    I have not commented on your beliefs as I believe whatever they are, you are entitled to them- I think it is a bit petty and unnecessarily aggressive to dub my views ‘irrational’ and ‘lies’ simply because you do not agree.
    I think you’re missing the point of what I said. Its a cultural issue. Do you think that India is free of abuse and violence towards women? No its not, and hey, wait a second… its not a Muslim majority country! How did THAT happen? Abuse against women in the USA, where victim blaming is also rampant- how did that happen?

    The issue here is a belief in male supremacy called ‘patriarchy’ which is alive in many societies and cultures and religions (certain Catholic laws such as those regarding abortion and divorce can be construed as misogynistic; Hindu ideals of the woman as mother and wife mainly, and of marriage being for life may also be viewed as misogynistic). The fact is that Islam began in a heavily patriarchal society (7th Century Saudi Arabia), and after the passing of the Prophet (PBUH), the pre-Islamic, anti-women influences crept back in and continued to be spread in so-called ‘Muslim’ societies because no one questioned it, not because it was instated by Islam.Recommend

  • Leila Rage

    Actually no. A method is specified in the sunnah of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) who was an example for all mankind. The method of Salat is not written in the Quran- its learnt from the sunnah of the Prophet. So then, why can’t rape laws also be learnt via the Sunnah? Read 4366, Sunan Abu-Dawud (narrated by Wa’il ibn Hujr) – Here the Prophet (PBUH) ordered a rapist to death, based on only a woman’s testimony. There were no witnesses of any kind. Do you deny the truth of the sunnah? Or do you think (God Forbid) that you know better than the example of the Prophet (PBUH)?Recommend

  • Leila Rage

    Okay great- thanks for promoting victim-blaming by implying that women lie about rape, and that medical and psychological examinations prove nothing. I’m sure rape victims all over the world would be filled with gratitude regarding your brilliantly illuminating statements.Recommend

  • Leila Rage

    True. Perhaps they will still be punished. I take back my somewhat hasty conclusion.Recommend

  • Leila Rage

    True. Perhaps they will still be punished. I take back my somewhat hasty conclusion.Recommend

  • Leila Rage

    Precisely! That is why 4 witnesses to rape are impossible unless they were involved in the rape themselves (in which case they will never testify against themselves), and clearly the Islamic injunction is to prevent slander from people thoughtlessly accusing others of adultery. The 4 witness requirement does not apply at all to rape. Unfortunately most of the Muslim clergy in Pakistan is uneducated and have learnt what they know of religion from uneducated and women-hating preachers before them.Recommend

  • Leila Rage

    Miss Fatima Wahab and myself have both highlighted evidence but you are choosing to ignore it. Guess some people don’t carry so much about True Islam than they do about what they think/….Recommend

  • James Malish

    Idiioot, in pakistan it is very common for one to marry their first cousins aka sisters in the rest of the sub-continent/world.Recommend

  • James Malish

    dear ammar,
    “…for your kind info Pakistan is among the countries with lowest rape cases reported…”

    ‘reported’ is the key word here. In US/west/india raped girls/women don’t feel shamed as if it is their own fault. Where as in the land of the pure, i wouldn’t be surprised if a female victim of the rape is killed by their own family for bringing ‘dis-honor’ to their family!
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  • Pappu

    Miss Fatima Wahab and your ( islamic) evidence is not applicable particularly in todays complex situations. Do not forget that Allah had to reveal verses to prove Hazrat Ayesha innocent ( Sura Al Noor Verses 15 to 23). Even Prophet of Islam could not solve the issue and he waited one month ( to satisfy that Ayesha is not pregnant).Recommend

  • https://www.facebook.com/shail.arora.589 Shail Arora

    A very well argued point. Absolutely correct, while the religious teachings are open to interpretations, crimes like rape are problems originating out of an imbalanced mind (for instance, superiority complex, a need establish dominance or just unsatisfied needs). These are more related to a patriarchal mindset and not necessarily, religion.Recommend

  • Pappu

    I also want to believe in a just God but what to do, doubts creep in when millions of children (beings) die just because of hunger (no food) although a (just) God promises to provide food to his beings. Thar (Pakistan) is a recent example.
    In the issue of rape, i agree with you that scientific methods is the only way to succeed.Recommend

  • https://www.facebook.com/shail.arora.589 Shail Arora

    While I don’t doubt that there are quite a few genuine cases, however, it’s also true that there is a rising trend of filing false rape charges (at least in India), here is something to back it – http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Tougher-rape-law-leading-to-increase-in-false-cases/articleshow/30807940.cms
    and this – http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/women-misuing-rape-law-marriage-consensual-sex/1/273110.htmlRecommend

  • https://www.facebook.com/shail.arora.589 Shail Arora

    While I’m not an expert on the subject, I do agree with the last part where you mention that there are several interpretations of the holy book, which seems to have created some parallel belief systems. It’s also evident from the discussions on this forum, where people, at times, have contradicting views.Recommend

  • Nobody

    I never said 100%, I just said MORE.
    Marital rape isn’t even considered a crime in Pakistan ffs. Statutory rape isn’t considered a crime in Pakistan either and you’ve got old men marrying and impregnating little girls. Factor those into the mix that may give you a vague idea of how many rapes go unreported or unrecognized/ not categorized as rape. The icing on top: Hudood Ordinance.
    Voila: no chance at justice for rape survivors.Recommend

  • Nobody

    Your point is right, but girls in India are still shamed for getting raped. The culture is the same, but the religion and it’s position in the eyes of the law is not. The main difference being the law on rape in India is quite different from Pakistan’s ridiculous and ineffective Hudood Ordinance.Recommend

  • Nobody

    I think she means if adultery were tried as a crime 1400+ years ago. If someone were accused [presumably by a third party] of adultery, there would need to be 4 witnesses for proof or no game.Recommend

  • Nobody

    There’s this newfangled thing in the modern world called DNA which makes witnesses unnecessary. Furthermore, the Hudood Ordinance is an entirely made up phony baloney law that needs to be amended. Furthermore, why does one need to find a verse in the Quran for something that should be common sense to anyone with a basic sense of ethics/respect for humanity…..Recommend

  • Nobody

    I didn’t say an Islamic rule caused it or will cause it. People and their interpretation of it, their need to force it on everyone, their need to micro manage and pull Pakistan in to the dark ages, and the need to bring religion into EVERY S.I.N.G.L.E decision has ultimately began the fall into the abyss. Not all is lost, YET. People were not, are not and will never be able to implement any religion as a long running and successful rule of law.Recommend

  • Nobody

    Having had parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins and friends who have lived there throughout it’s stages (grandparents were young, but alive to see the partition) and many who still remain there, I think yes, Islamization absolutely started with Zia.
    Pre-70’s and Post 70’s Pakistan was a very different place. Copy pasting a few Jinnah quotes that people already knew does not change that reality.
    Written law changed. Culture changed. People changed. And tolerance levels changed. All during and around Zia’s time.
    If this isn’t reversed quickly, it will be blamed on Zia and his regime, not Jinnah. Jinnah did not want radicalism or jahalat in Pakistan. He wanted a homeland for Muslims which at the time, he felt necessary, whatever his reasons may be.
    Cheers.Recommend

  • Nobody

    Every religion has it’s dark periods in history and none is without violence. No one becomes evil or has their “soul destroyed” (really, mate? – soul destroyed?) through a religion. History has proven humankind has always had a reason to fight and shed blood. Before religion it was something else, for most developed nations it’s already something else, and in the future, it will still be something else.
    No religion is in a position to paint itself as clean and pure given religious history.Recommend

  • Nobody

    That’s nonsense. Rape has existed as long as humankind has and it is not about sex. Sex is easily available to men and women in western countries, but many still have occurrences of rape unfortunately.Recommend

  • Pappu

    Rape is intercourse without other persons will ( it can be some one, girlfriend, partner or wife etc). It can be for sexual desIre or revenge, but this is not the issue here. Issue is how to apprehend the rapist, prove his action and to punish him.Recommend

  • Ammar

    I will answer one by one,
    Without reporting, no one can know about rapes, the problem is implementation of Islamic Laws in its true sense,

    Marital rape: there are ways to get rid of it, like going to court for divorce or etc,
    Statutory rape: following Islamic Laws can prevent this situation,
    Reportig: there is no way to get justice if its not even reported, situation is improving as people are coming to media to Shout about their issues…also the cases like Mukhtaran Mai who actually took many advantages being a victom of rape put a bad picture of over reporting,

    Hadood Ordinance: Zina and Zina bil Jabbar are totally different, zina bil Jabbar mainly reported whereas Zina is due to mutual understanding,
    Also Qazf is offence of false accusation…
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  • Ammar

    Ma’m respectfully, there are laws to tackle the situation, but they are not implemented in true Islamic sense…

    And the problem is always overexaggerated by over intelligenzia of Pakistan…

    I would suggest to look at their society first, u would be able to sort out the differnce very well…Recommend

  • https://www.facebook.com/shail.arora.589 Shail Arora

    There are a couple more clauses:
    1. Not every case that gets registered receives the same level of attention by populace. Only the ones that are reported in media. For others, “level” of investigation is purely, a prerogative of police.
    2. Sometimes, the cases drag on for years, thus defeating the whole purpose, after all, justice delayed is justice denied. There are fast track courts, but the volume is still fairly high.Recommend

  • sterry

    Sad that you cannot see that justice and equality are universal values that should be respected, regardless of any religion including Islam. Perhaps you need to remind yourself that all of the Muslim states especially, the Arab countries are the worst examples of justice so please stop your false notions of justice only being compatible with the Islamic religion. It is there in all relgions and also with those who have no religion.Recommend

  • James Malish

    “A method is specified in the sunnah of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) who was an example for all mankind.”

    You can believe in your prophet to your hearts desire i/we don’t have a problem, but don’t include me and rest of the ‘mankind’ who couldn’t care less. Recommend