Kashmir will celebrate the Indian cricket team’s loss, no matter who they play against!

Published: March 8, 2014
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The three suspended Kashmiri students address media after returning from India's Meerut Swami Vivekanand Subharti University (SVSU) in Srinagar on March 6,2013. PHOTO: AFP

Meerut is not Srinagar by Shivam Vij published on March 7, 2014 justifying sedition charges on 67 Kashmiri students by a private university in Uttar Pradesh India, is a new addition to journalistic literature on Kashmir. Premised on the exodus ’ of Kashmiri Pandits in 1990, the author draws anachronistic comparisons of two contextually disparate events.

In theory, if there is any Kashmiri nationalism, it is of the state sponsored variety. Kashmir’s association with cricket is only occasional.

It is not the win of Pakistan but the loss of India against any cricket playing nation that revives interest for cricket in Kashmir. India’s loss is a temporary relief from all the melancholy and grief that the people of Kashmir go through on a daily basis, inflicted by the Indian state and its military architecture.

“If there’s a big India-Pakistan match and you’re in Srinagar, you’d think you are in Pakistan”, writes Vij to draw home his point.

The 1983 cricket match between India and the West Indies, which the author uses to construct a definition of Kashmiri nationalism, and the 1986 India versus Australia match, made West Indies and Australia feel like they were playing on home turf;    given the way they were cheered and the Indian players were booed.

So, Kashmir is Pakistan.

But it is also West Indies, Australia, South Africa and the list is as long as the number of cricket playing nations, except India.

“Muslims used to burst crackers outside the homes of Kashmiri Pandits if Pakistan won a match. This is not Kashmiri Pandit propaganda: a pro-freedom Kashmiri Muslim activist told me as much” says Shivam Vij to inform us that Pandits were not safe even before “the onset of militancy” which “forced exodus of Kashmiri Pandits in 1990.”

His source, strangely, is not a pro-freedom ‘separatist’ – a term which Indian journalists are as much obsessed with as their profession – but an activist and an anonymous one. Here, as I said in the beginning, is a new addition to the journalistic literature on Kashmir. Pro-freedom Muslims in Kashmir are now activists.

Vij asks a Kashmiri Muslim journalist his opinion “on the idea of Kashmiri Pandits returning to their homes”. The answer makes Vij conclude that this journalist cannot “decide whether someone could return to their home or not”.

Fair enough. But why ask hypothetical questions?

Not only have Kashmir’s pro-freedom leadership failed to answer such questions (although they have time and again asked the Kashmiri Pandits to return) but Pandit organisations have also miserably failed.

Panun Kashmir, an organisation working for the rehabilitation of Pandits in Kashmir, have for a long time demanded a

‘homeland in the shape of Union Territory spreading around the northern and eastern part of the Jhelum river’.

This ‘cluster policy’ has been rejected and is seen as a ploy of “settlement of members of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and other Sangh Parivar groups”. According to Vij, any Kashmiri Muslim believes the cause of Pandit ‘exodus’ was an Indian conspiracy.

“The idea was that if the Indian forces moved in to suppress the Kashmiri (Muslim) armed rebellion with the Pandits living amongst them, there might have been reprisals against the Pandits”, he writes.

I wonder which class of Kashmiri Muslims (as he emphasises time and again) he has been talking to.

Maybe to those stunt-men, who call themselves journalists, who, in acts of self-promotion, make music appear blasphemous in Kashmir?

“Does that mean, I asked them, that they would indeed have killed their fellow Kashmiri Hindus in retaliation for Indian forces killing Kashmiri Muslims for rebelling against India?”, he goes on with the imaginary conversation he has had with anonymous Kashmiri Muslims.

Sanjay Kak, a Kashmiri Pandit and an independent documentary maker, perhaps provides a convincing analysis of what led to the Pandit migration. In an interview with David Barsamian, Sanjay Kak said,

“But I think what we don’t recognise is that in that chaos there were all kinds of forces who would use that community in order to achieve other ends. We’re talking about, say, a population of probably not more than 150,000 people. And it is true that in 1990 and 1991, about 200 people from this small community were killed. Of course, it’s also true that in that same period probably 8,000 Kashmiri Muslims were killed. But we’re not doing math here, we’re not doing an equation of how many more people died because it’s true that even in a minority of 150,000, if 200 get killed, it is going to panic those people”.

He further adds that,

“It’s very difficult to say who wanted to precipitate in a crisis. Because if I were an extremist fringe militant organisation, I might want to attack Kashmiri Pandits, in order to precipitate a certain polarisation between the communities. It could be argued that from the Indian state’s point of view also, the targeting of the Kashmiri Pandits served a useful purpose because it allowed the Indian state to paint the movement there, which saw itself as a movement for the liberation of Kashmir, as a fundamentalist Islamic movement.”

Going by Vij’s logic, Kak is not ‘honest’, as he doesn’t see Kashmiri Hindus as ‘Indians’.

“I dream of a world.”

I may ask Mr Vij very politely why dream of ‘a world’? Why not dream of ‘my world’? Your own world?

Again, asking politely, who is he to dream of a world inhabited by a billion of us?

“I don’t see how a private university in Meerut could not have taken action against Kashmiri Muslim students cheering for Pakistan. Not taking action against them would have escalated the violence at the university and in the city. The Indian students at the university were responding with the same sentiment that makes Kashmiri Muslims suspect their Hindu minority: the sentiment of nationalism”, he argues further.

So Mr Vij is justifying charges of sedition slapped on Kashmiri students based on a hypothetical, imaginary situation which may or may not have taken place. According to Vij, the sentiment of Indian students against Kashmiri students is the same as that of Kashmiri Muslims against the Hindu minority.

This argument is flawed. It is irrational and lacks substance.

But Kashmir would accept his logic because that proves Arundhati Roy right when she says,

“India needs azaadi (freedom) from Kashmir just as much as – if not more than – Kashmir needs azaadi from India.”

To validate his point and justify the action taken by the university against these students Vij asks,

“How acceptable would it be to a Pakistani if some in Pakistan openly and publicly cheered for the Indian cricket team in a match against Pakistan?”, forgetting he has already answered the question above.

“He’d be delighted but that’s just him!”

Narcissism, I tell you.

“The argument of Kashmir’s occupation is somewhat irrelevant here”, because what is relevant is the

‘exodus’ of Kashmiri Pandits.

“Cricket is a menace”, because it shows your true colours. It makes clear the fact that even those who “run away from big media” are prone to get infested by the nationalistic jingoism.

Finally, Shivam Vij agrees with Omar Abdullah. They have everything in common.

Both of them believe Meerut is not Srinagar and Kashmiri students are misguided.

Basharat Ali

Basharat Ali

Basharat Ali is a freelance writer and blogger. He is doing his masters degree in Conflict Analysis and Peace Building at the Nelson Mandela Centre for Peace and Conflict Resolution, Jamia Millia Islamia, New Delhi. He tweets as @Basharat_Dar (twitter.com/Basharat_Dar)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • deep

    I think it would be good for this author to listen to three kashmiri pandits who were in the valley on the fateful night – it is on youtube and a canadian based south asian tv channel – the link is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpC-jJbNhyA

    As long as kashmiris fight the battle on the basis of being muslims – they are not going to win any supporters in the rest of India.Recommend

  • water bottle

    You are welcome to do that even in public.

    Just don’t do anything, with your malicious intent, to create trouble.

    Also, why do you study in Delhi?

    Don’t call yourself a sedicious kashmiri if you study in Delhi.Recommend

  • Anshuman Tripathy

    Please feel free to cross the border and become a permanent resident of Pakistan if you hate India so much.

    What you shouldn’t do is stay in India, utilize the opportunities it provides for your own good and then talk nonsense about it.Recommend

  • LoseLose

    So basically – ‘don’t care who wins as long as India loses’ – perfect example of reasonable, constructive thinking.Recommend

  • jee non

    Ha ha ha Joker…………Recommend

  • faizan

    i read one article sometime back ..that was the exact opposite of what this guy has been writing. he has just interchanged the words pandits and muslims ..
    this question, ‘would u have killed ur muslim counterparts if few let muslims had attacked u’, they admittedbwith a yes..
    and another question asked to a pandit journalist asking when do u see the possibility of pandits returning to kashmir and he replied with ‘as soon as there are no muslims’ ..
    i would have to look back in my history for the link, if its still there.Recommend

  • ajeet

    Kashmirvwill be part of hindusthan, with or without the Muslims. Its a war of attrition and India will win it.Recommend

  • Asad Khan

    Please let go Kashmiris then, you don’t consider them Indian, the Kahsmiris identified themselves more with Pakistan, the Kashmir is under UN disputed area, it is neither part of any country only administered politically. Call on UN mandated solution and solve the issue once n for all.

    straight forward no nonsense.

    regards,Recommend

  • arjunchandra143

    What the author saying is absurd, Kashmir belongs to India and Kashmiris are our brothers and sisters. They also love India. The best example is this news, Have a look. It happened on today (8 Mar 2014).

    http://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ians/hold-256-recruits-from-jammu-and-kashmir-join-indian-army-114030800389_1.htmlRecommend

  • Paresh

    Make it simple

    Before asking for Kashmir, solve the problem of Kashmiri hindus, who have re located from Kashmir to other states of India. India is very secular country however freedom to express and freedom to speech doesnt give you right to exploit the emotions and instinct of India in your literature. Leave India if you have that huge problem with India. Kashmir was an integral part of India and it will always be. And all muslim brothers who intent to live in a secular country show your honesty towards the country over and above the religion.

    On the name of piece building people like you motivate innoccents to retaliate and get involved in the activities of terrorism.

    Beware .. peace is until the true Indians are not ignited.Recommend

  • water bottle

    Yes, you have to.

    otherwise I believe that it is taken out of context or blatant lie.

    India is a Hindu majority country with Muslim minority who are growing in population more than the rest.

    This itself disproves your nonsense.Recommend

  • TheAverageMoe

    You can’t force anybody to stay with you if they don’t want to!Recommend

  • TheAverageMoe

    I have a better idea, why don’t you just grant his homeland(Kashmir) independence!

    “What you shouldn’t do is stay in India, utilize the opportunities it provides for your own good and then talk nonsense about it.”

    Well you’re occupying his homeland!Once you leave his, he’ll leave yours!Recommend

  • TheAverageMoe

    cause there are no reputable universities in Indian occupied Kashmir!He’s forced to leave his home and study in the country occupying his homeland!Recommend

  • TheAverageMoe

    Facts:Recommend

  • BCCI

    This shameless dude needs a Delhi to pursue his education. It is this ungratefulness that Indian must not tolerate. The students (?) must be sent back to Kashmir..and possible through the border…for some advanced education of the type their fathers received in the past decade..And ended up in unmarked graves..Modi is the right solution for this country.Recommend

  • Another North Indian

    Basharat Mian, you can be as seditious as you like. Just be aware of your sedition when you step out side the walls of Jamia Millia. That is all Shivam Vij’s article was telling you.Recommend

  • https://www.facebook.com/shail.arora.589 Shail Arora

    @author Since you are at the ground zero (being a Kashmiri) and pursuing a Conflict Analysis & Resolution course, please also share your thoughts on the way forward for the resolution of this issue. In fact, I would encourage you to write a blog on this topic.Recommend

  • anonymous

    oh right. opportunities. by booking students under sedition. so much democracy..
    wat opportunities are u talking about anyway?
    p.s a whole state with 20 30 lacs people or watever the population cant cross over .. its better that ur army of few lacs go back to where they belong from. we ll happily merge with pakistan.
    thankyouRecommend

  • Salman

    Nice article, Kashmiri’s should do that given the fact that they are not given proper rights by Indians. Kashmir would be the part of Pakistan, Insha’Allah.Recommend

  • Hailstorm

    That’s what traitors do.Recommend

  • sahil

    More power to your pen which brings out the frustration of trolls.Recommend

  • Bobby

    Get paki passport,and see how respected you are In other parts of world.quit India .Recommend

  • sami.a

    How can a indian say they should cross the border!? Give them kashmir its there right!! They dont want to live with hindus and i pray for kashmir..hope you will get you freedom and azad from india!!Recommend

  • Himavan

    Its time to crush the muslims in the subcontinent.Recommend

  • salman

    very well written.Recommend

  • IHateDisqus

    Then they shouldn’t study in an other state under special Kashmiri quota (that displaces other Indians). They also shouldn’t be eligible for scholarship under PM’s scheme. Jammu & Kashmir must also not receive outsize funding until article 370 is removed.

    Those Kashmiri students who wre primarily involved in this incident must be rusticated. That should send the right message to their brethren.Recommend

  • GenuinePakistani

    Kashmir will be freed from Indian oppression one day God willing. its only a matter of time. Sickening to see Indian hindus say “kashmir is an integral part of India”. kashmiris do not relate with indians on any level whether ethnic, cultural, linguistic, geographic, religious, or any other way. Are Indians so filled with hatred towards Muslims and Pakistanis that they do not see the murders and rapes theyre committing? FREE KASHMIR!Recommend

  • Broken heart

    Hey… U are a free soul… U can just cross indian border and then in pakistan u will get more followers…Recommend

  • Broken heart

    Support every team thal play against india, seditious student and
    ” STUDYING IN DELHI….”
    WHAT A IRONY….!Recommend

  • Ronin

    The whole column is reeking of hypocrisy .Recommend

  • Abdul

    Very nice to abuse the country which provides you with education and a living, No ?
    get out and stay out of India. You make the rest of us Muslims look bad.Recommend

  • BlackJack

    Pls share a link.Recommend

  • Waqar Qureshi

    As long as Indian continues to be a Hindu state with a skin of secularism, Kashmiris and other minorities are never going to be happy living in India.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Your tribe is small and powerless and inconsequential.

    When Hurriat called for an election boycott, like they have every single time for the past many decade, and Terrorists like Hafiz Saeed and Masood Azhar had urged the people of Kashmir not to participate in Indian Elections, they boycotted their call of boycott and turned out in droves!

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123048366626337803

    More than 80% turned out to vote in the Panchayat level Elections. Thats a better percentage than even seen in Mumbai!

    They even routed a comrade of yours – Sajjad Lone, when he contested for elections from North Kashmir.

    http://in.reuters.com/article/2009/05/16/idINIndia-39670020090516

    He thought he can win hands down if he contests anywhere from Kashmir. He believed in the lies he told and spread.

    More Tourists visited Kashmir last year than the number of Tourists visiting an country of Pakistan. If your stone pelting buddies can take a breather, even more would visit which would help the poor people depending on Tourism for their lives.

    if you think your kind is in majority, its very simple : Stand for Elections, prove you have majority support.

    Please don’t come up now and say Elections are rigged. Even Sajjad Lone, who lost the Elections didn’t claim they were rigged or it was unfair in anyway.

    The people of Telengana in India voted pro-Telengana parties to power and forced the Center to act and create a new state of Telengana. You can do the same, but I know you won’t.

    Like all Islamist forces(a call for independent Kashmir is only from a small section of Sunni Muslims, NOT Buddhists, Pandits, Shias, Ahmadis, Sikhs, etc.), you will not dare. Its like asking TTP to stand in elections.Recommend

  • Waqar Qureshi

    1. “India needs azaadi (freedom) from Kashmir just as much as – if not more than – Kashmir needs azaadi from India.” – Arundhati Roy

    2. As long as India continues to be a Hindu state with a skin of secularism, Kashmiris and other minorities are never going to be happy living in India.Recommend

  • Ramsha N.

    Amazing how Pakistanis are quick to shout about the mistreatment of Kashmiris by Indians while always ignoring how Pakistan itself doesn’t treat its own as human beings with basic rights. (:Recommend

  • Usman

    All the Kashmiris I know here in Dubai hate both Pakistan and India and why shouldn’t they? Don’t know what the author is on about. Pakistanis love to live in a biased bubble of course.Recommend

  • TheAverageMoe

    You’re really naive if you think elections can’t be rigged, especially in South Asian countries!Sajjad Lone can’t claim the elections were rigged because he could lose his life, look at the info-graph I posted below. if these students can be charged with sedition for just rooting for Pakistan in cricket, you can imagine what might happen to anybody that might support secession and voting for independence, isn’t the same as voting to create a new state/province.

    Even if Kashmiris voted en masse in municipal elections that doesn’t mean they approve Indian occupation, they’re just trying to be part of the “political process” because they have no other choice!The people in Catalonia(a state in Spain) vote in elections all the time, but they still want independence and this year they’re getting a referendum and so is Scotland, so just because Kashmiris are participating in the political process doesn’t mean they’ve given up on their aspirations to be free.Recommend

  • water bottle

    Why there are no reputable universities in “Indian occupied kashmir”?

    Why did they not built one when there was no trouble in the state between 47-89? What were they doing? Every other states had built good colleges. Why not Kashmiris?

    Did they not know that they will be ruining the lives of their own children if they didn’t invest in education?

    Why not ask their savior, Pakistan to provide scholarship and go and study for free in Pakistan instead of leeching off the tax payers of India and come to our colleges on Prime Minister’s scholarships and then back-stab us.

    I will tell you why. Because Pakistan doesn’t care what happens to Kashmiris. They want to grab the land. They made money by selling cottom from Bengal and looted the mineral and gas resources from Balochistan.
    They will loot the Kashmir land and in return treat Kashmiris like dirt.

    Prove me wrong. Provide free education for these hundreds of thousands of Kashmiris.Recommend

  • water bottle

    Hahaha.

    Just because the average writes facts, they don’t become facts.Recommend

  • Broken heart

    If this guy hates india.. He can go to pakistan.. Where his ideas will b echoed..Recommend

  • Imran

    As a Muslim, is it even worth spending 3-6 hours on a match? All the salats before, during and after the match are diluted due to the thoughts that pass through our minds even in salat. The devil has his ways to make such things as being some sort of “Islamic”.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    And us Pakistanis get blamed for something people living in India do? Rational thinking, right…..Recommend

  • abhi

    What is the point of this article anyway! Only two points are proven here.
    1) Supporting Pakistani team has nothing to do with love of sport ot praising good cricket, it is actually about making political statement.
    2) If you can write such blog and nobody slaps sedition charges on you, India has pretty good freedom of speach.Recommend

  • ajeet

    They were on an Indian government scholarship and studying in a university named after a Hindu saint. TraitorsRecommend

  • ajeet

    Well. If a failed state can successfully occupy Baluchistan, why can’t India do the same. We also have helicopter gunships and airplanes and can follow what you are doing in Baluchistan.Recommend

  • ajeet

    Which Islamic country has reputable universities?Recommend

  • ajeet

    It won’t happen. jai sri ram.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    How is it ‘his’ homeland? Isn’t it also shared by the Buddhists, Sikhs, Pandits, Ahmadis and Shias?

    Have you asked any Pandit if he prefers his homeland to be donated to Pakistan, under the garb of Independence?

    Men like Geelani gain power(which they will in an “independent” Kashmir), they will invariably bring in Sharia.

    The Pandits and Sikhs and Sihas and Ahmadis and Buddhists, will not only lose their homeland, but their very lives.

    For all practical purposes, Kashmir(The Kashmir of Pandits, Sikhs, Buddhists, Ahmadis and Shias)’s is safe with India.

    For the gain of one community(even that is doubtful considering the state of Pakistan), you wish you sacrifice so many others.

    How Humane of you!Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Exactly. Thats the point. India cannot be in Kashmir if all Kashmiris do not support it.

    A lot of Kashmiris prefer to be with India, hence, you see Pakistan support “non-state actors”. terrorists groups don’t care if they have mass support. That is why you see 80% voter turnout when Elections come.

    By holding onto Kashmir all these years, India has proved to the world there is a significant section of Kashmiris who support it.

    There is also a significant number who want to go with Pakistan. Like Pakistan will never agree to Islamic Fundamentalism to establish their rule, India will not allow its Islamic Fundamentalists to get their way.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    The Islamic Fundamentalist hatred of Education is well known. If you don’t : ask Malala.

    When people like Geelani and Masood Azhar are present how can any modern Education take root in Kashmir?

    A simple Music concert by Zubin Mehta was held amidst tight security, for the fear of these fundamentalists attacking such a concert. In this case, what outside expert or Professor will agree to come to any University in Kashmir to teach, that too on a daily basis?

    Do you know what happened to the Hindu Professors and Teachers of former East Pakistan? They are easy targets.

    Nice idea, isn’t it. Support Terrorists in Kashmir, who in turn destroy Education. And, then bemoan the lack of Educational institutions in Kashmir.

    Smart, very smart..Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    While it might or might not be Azaadi for the Sunni Muslims of Kashmir, I am sure the Pandits, the Sikhs, the Buddhists, the Shias and the Ahmadis will not see it that way.

    Azaadi for one(supposedly), but tyranny for the rest.Recommend

  • JATIN

    iT IS NOT HIS HOMELAND…. HIS ANCESTORS FORCEFULLY OCCUPIED THIS BEAUTIFUL LAND WHICH BELONGS TO ITS NATIVE HINDUS…. YOU KNOW WHO HAS TO VACATE NOWRecommend

  • Vikrant

    I am an Indian, and not a Kashmiri yet I remember as a kid and teenager I used to myself support the Pakistan team over India and others. Reason? I simply enjoyed the dashing and debonair style of play of Imran Khan’s team over the “boring” style of Kapil Dev and others of India. But does that mean I am (or was) then a Pakistani? But remember, that was Pakistan’s image at that time — likes of Imran Khan, Mohsin Khan, Hassan Jahangir (singer), Jahangir/Jansher Khan, then other things like pristine mountains, exotic holiday resorts etc etc… BUT NOW? What is the image (be it in India or the world over)…?? I will tell you: Ajmal Kasab, Hafiz Saeed, Osama Bin Laden, Malala’s shooting (sadly), Mulla Fazlullah etc etc … think about it my Pakistani brothers and sisters, just why even normal Indians hate anybody supporting Pakistani cricket (or any other entity from there)… and why indeed does most of the world loath Pakistan… it is sad, but true.Recommend

  • Hozurr

    They have the right to immigrate and should use this option to migrate to Pakistan they will not do that because they know they far more safe in India with better opportunities!Recommend

  • someone

    Lets look at the credentials of the blogger. He is a seditious Kashmiri, living and studying in New Delhi. Its like biting the same feeding hand. Can only be done only in India and the great democracy that India is. I wonder what would happen to a ordinary baloch praising Indian team while enchanting “Pakistan Murdabad”.Recommend

  • someone

    Well its been 66 years now. If god was willing, it would have been done now. Don’t you think it is God’s will that it want Kashmir to be Part of India I mean noting happens without the God’s will now does it? Or may be god knows what Muslims do to other Muslims and god thinks that Kashmiris are better off with Hindus. Take your pick.Recommend

  • someone

    Its good that you mentioned the year 1989 because it is since then Pakistani government start meddling and brought all this to Kashmiris. Pakistan has destroyed Kashmir and for what? Just water for it’s Punjab.Recommend

  • American

    The writer is a classic Muslim, Kashmiri, and Pakistani… How can he ‘…studies in Delhi and supports every team that plays against India. Currently pursuing Masters in Conflict Analysis and Peace Building at Nelson Mandela Center for Peace and Conflict Resolution Jamia Millia Islamia, New Delhi.’ Why doesn’t he go, study in Karachi or live in Peshawar, and be anti-India ?Recommend

  • ajeet

    Well. Its not his homeland. His homeland is Arabia.Recommend

  • ajeet

    There will never be reputable universities in his homeland or in the country that he wants to join.Recommend

  • Syed

    Deploy more or less 800,000 to secure Kashmir from a handful of insurgents, Thats a reasonable, constructive thinking at its best. Right!
    If you feel Kashmir a part of India, then govern it like you govern Gujarat or any other province/state of yours. Our army is in FATA because its on frontline fighting terrorists in a complicated war that has its implications on a global scale. Whats your army doing there besides stabbing a youth for celebrating for pakistan win, or making people life miserable. Please mature yourself, you are nuclear power, same as us, there can be no wars now, nobody is crossing the border from either side for skirmish. You have much resources and army big enough to conquer Mordor and Asgard, just make Kashmir prosperous and these people would stop complaining against you.Recommend

  • Np

    This guy is studying in Delhi. Those others were studying in UP on scholarships given by government of India. Strange choices to make if they do not want to live near Hindus.Recommend

  • elias

    By 2100 the subcontinent would be a muslim majority regionRecommend

  • Syed Mubeen Hussain Sabzwari

    Did they celebrate India’s loss against Sri Lanka?Recommend

  • pg

    After reading i was gng back to my work, but then i saw autoers name and his current resident.am sharing mythouts.
    Dear all, kashimi want freedom what kind of freedom, if can not protect ur own minoritios.
    Untill u shed urself from religion u can not be freedom fighers. U hv wrapped urself in religious zeal and hv bcme blind.
    Open ur eye see world, if u want role model of pakistan go there pursue ur studies.,
    Inclusion is key to success and development.Recommend

  • ajeet

    Nope. We are equally good at breeding. What you couldn’t do in 1000 years can’t be done now.Recommend

  • Ajeet

    Jai Sri Ram. Kashmir will be ours alwaysRecommend

  • Ajeet

    We are learning on how to deal with our minorities from PakistanRecommend

  • Ajeet

    God is on our side.Recommend

  • LoseLose

    “just make Kashmir prosperous and these people would stop complaining against you”

    First of all, thank you for your response as discussion is the essence of democracy. I also gather from your comment that you are a genuine well-wisher of peace – I really respect that.

    But I have to respectfully disagree with your assertion that army presence is unreasonable, for couple of reasons:

    1. The LoC is one really difficult border to monitor – unlike the IB on Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujarat, where you can see for miles and watch-towers can thus cover miles of perimeter security, LoC is very hilly and at places forested to boot.
    2. Unlike IB, LoC is still not walled-up to any satisfactory level, thanks largely to shelling by Pakistan upon workers building the wall. With all the assertions of India pushing terrorists into Pakistan, one would think Pakistan would be happy about walling up – apparently not.
    3. Unlike in the other three states on the IB, it is impossible for soldiers manning the LoC to tell infiltrators apart from locals since a) the language and ethnic make-up of people from both sides of LoC remains indistinguishable (unlike even the 2 Punjabs now) and b) unlike in other states, there are very few local recruits among border guards on LoC.
    4. Pakistan has itself officially said several times in the past that it is not responsible for any infiltration an mayhem by its own non-state actors across LoC, latest case being last August.
    5. LoC infiltration is the easiest route for spreading terror not only in Kashmir, but into the rest of India, if left unchecked.
    6. So at LoC, the Indian forces has to guard against conventional army, non-state actors and various permutations in between.
    7. Lastly, please check the Living and GDP indices for Kashmir Valley residents and compare them with those in rest of India – you’ll see that the disaffection has nothing to do with the living conditions on the ground, but is a product of an imagined sense of deprivation and imagined slight and injustice nurtured by some elements in the valley like a self-inflicted wound kept raw by constant scraping and never allowed to heal, eloquently displayed by this author’s outpouring of bile.Recommend

  • Akshay

    You are right bro.. If the muslims wanna go they are more than welcome, if they wanna stay they are more than welcome. Stay but under the rules of the land. Whatever the situation be the land is india and will always remain India. We will give our blood and life for it. Ishallah and long live India.Recommend

  • Sane

    Kashmiris do not need to be in Pakistan. They are struggling for freedom. Once free they may decide to annex with Pakistan or be at their own. They are free to celebrate in any way they want. After all Kashmir is not India.Recommend

  • Sane

    Any land conquered could be made homeland. Muslims conquered India and it is their homeland.Recommend

  • Sane

    Ha….ha….ha….look reputable universities of India. They expel their innocent students. The ‘largest democracy’ is kneel down once again.Recommend

  • Sane

    You are already doing this. But, you will never succeed.Recommend

  • Asad Khan

    Kashmiris take a chance of their lives when they cross over to Azad Kashmir through LOC. The Indian Occupation forces shoot them unmercifully claiming them terrorists. Almost every soul in Azad Khasmir has a relative in Jammu & Kashmir.

    what do you think why both countries are doing CBM for Bus Service & Trade across LOC?

    And why would Kashmiris immigrate? why not India ceases her occupation of Kashmir? Jammu & Kashmir is UN mandated disputed area not UP, BIHAR or Kerala of Republic of India.

    Better opportunities? baloney. Kashmiris apart from their native area loves to live in only two places on earth.

    1) Azad Khasmir
    2) UK

    Friend, looks like you need an update.

    regards,Recommend

  • https://www.facebook.com/shail.arora.589 Shail Arora

    Since you enjoy providing links to make your points, let me share a few with you…

    http://www.dnaindia.com/india/comment-high-voter-turnout-doesn-t-mean-jk-issue-is-resolved-1544559

    http://southasia.oneworld.net/news/large-turnout-in-kashmir-polls-no-endorsement-of-indian-rule/#.Ux2givm1aGE

    Since I’m not a bigot, let me also share this:

    http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2008/12/28/verdict-2008-jammu-and-kashmirs-vote-for-democracy/

    And, let me leave you with this profound statement – “Perception is the closest approximation to reality”.Recommend

  • TheAverageMoe

    When did I or the author ever say that Kashmir is only the homeland of “Sunni-Muslims”?!It’s the homeland for all Kashmiris regardless of religion, you keep bringing the “Muslim card” just to discredit the Kashmiri cause for freedom, and you keep bringing up Geelani, but you fail to realize that he isn’t the only leader in this movement, there are secular Kashmiri leaders like Amanullah Khan and Maqbool Butt in the past, Kashmir wants to be an ethnostate not some salafist state nor a colony of India!Let the people of Kashmir decide what it wants!

    If you ever cared about humanity then you would be condemning your army for their war crimes in Kashmir, but you don’t because you’re a jingoist.Recommend

  • TheAverageMoe

    and your homeland is in Central Asia cause that’s where the Aryans came from lolRecommend

  • TheAverageMoe

    How is the author not a native Kashmiri?His last name is ‘Dar’ which is a Kashmiri Pandit name and most Kashmiri Muslims of today descend from Kashmiri Pandit, just because they follow a different religion now doesn’t mean they don’t belong there.Recommend

  • TheAverageMoe

    You’re just bringing up excuses for the fact that India neglected Kashmir and hasn’t built any good universities there, and I don’t even know how Malala is related to whatever is going on in IoK, and based on what i’ve heard Kashmir has always been the land of scholars and they’ve produced many leaders,writers,poets & journalists over the years in both Pakistan and India, so the people of the valley are naturally inquisitive.Recommend

  • TheAverageMoe

    there are over 50 Muslim majority countries and most of them are far more developed than India is!in fact many Indians work in the Gulf states and study southeast Asia.

    I believe Turkey,Malaysia,Qatar,Tunisia have really good universities compared to India at least(and I just named a few).Recommend

  • TheAverageMoe

    AJK and Gilgit-Baltistan has the highest literacy rate in Pakistan, it also has the highest female literacy rate in Pakistan, and those valleys are also the most peaceful parts of Pakistan.Recommend

  • TheAverageMoe

    Shia and Sunni Kashmiris are the same and they both support Kashmiri freedom and I don’t know why you always assume every Kashmiri writer is supposed to be sunni?!How do you know if this author isn’t shia?!As for Buddhists most of them are indifferent about this issue, the ones in Baltistan(in Pakistan) face no problems whatsoever, and as for Sikhs and Pandits, many Kashmiri leaders call for them to return to their homes, they’ve been co-existing peacefully for centuries(until the Dogras started massacring people).Recommend

  • TheAverageMoe

    Look up the Jammu massacre of 1947 and the Poonch rebellion of 1947 too!The Kashmiri cause for freedom goes back much longer than 1989.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    We all have seen Islamist forces in the garb of modernism. Jinnah was supposed to usher in a modern state, what happened to that?

    Muslim Brotherhood was supposed to be a modern, progressive, Islamic movement. When given power, an Islamist Constitution was being tried to bring into force.

    The fact of the matter is as long as only Muslims form the separatists, not the Pandits, Sikhs, Buddhists, etc., whatever you say is pure propaganda.

    Please tell me one Pandit leader who wants to “liberate” Kashmir. “Secular” movement… Yeah right.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Are you saying if the Indian Govt opens up a multi-million dollar high tech university, the Terrorists like Masood Azar and Hafiz Saeed will not ask their men to attack it?

    Which dream world are you living in?

    Malala is the victim of such Fundamentalism. Why shouldn’t she be discussed? She is the face of victims, especially children, affected by Militancy.

    Astonishingly you call what is plainly Fundamentalism a “secular” movement. And, are naive enough to believe that they are pro-modern education.

    Your own experts attribute Radicalism to Pakistan supporting Terror in India, especially Kashmir. Articles which discuss it are written right here on ET. If you want I can provide you some links.

    I hope people read your comment. You should write an article on ET blogs. That would be fun.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Don’t brandish opinions as facts.

    High voter turn out is a fact. People saying it doesn’t mean anything is their opinion.

    Sajjad Lone losing in North Kashmir by a large margin is also FACT.

    Even I have opinions. That doesn’t mean they are the gospel truth. I’ve stated facts, learn to either accept it or say they are wrong.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    If it satisfies your ego well and good.

    I am sure you have never heard of a name Sajjad Lone, let alone know his father. Anyway, suffice to say he is very popular among the Media circles and India is not a Banana republic.

    You doubt the fairness of the elections, by high voter turn out people have put faith in the freeness of it. Your opinion is moot, inconsequential and rather amusing for the beneficiaries of India’s Democracy.

    Tourism is booming in Kashmir, your separatists are losing elections, people are turning out in droves to vote.

    If Pakistanis still believe in the lies that their media feeds them, its good for India and Kashmiris.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    I base my theories on factors like high voter turn out and Election results, while you base yours on pure propaganda and here-say.

    Why on Earth would the Pandits and Sikhs back when they know they will be the target of Islamic Militants? Are they so naive to support Separatists? Not many Separatists hide their ideological basis for asking for joining with Pakistan. They attribute it to Religion and Religion alone.

    Are you so delusional to believe all this? Are you trying to win some brownie points from someone? Do you mind telling me who? Because the alternative paints you in a very sad light.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Considering 3 Million were killed in Bangladesh alone, this stat is an obvious lie.
    Add to that the 50,000 killed in what is civil war, more Muslims have died at the hands of other Muslims in Pakistan(East and West), than the rest of SAARC nations combined.

    Considering the number of disappeared and orphaned is directly proportional to the number of dead, you can guess the number is pretty high in Pakistan(East and West) too.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Kashmir experienced more Tourist traffic last year than the entire country of Pakistan.

    There were so many Tourists visiting Kashmir that there were Room shortages.

    http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/2013/Jun/7/as-tourist-arrivals-swell-kashmir-grapples-with-room-shortage-37.asp

    Logic dictates Tourism dies in conflict areas. Economics do not care for propaganda.

    Your media is feeding you false information. In a way its good, it keeps the pressure off of India and Pakistan will not be forced to activate its militant proxies.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Muslims are crushing themselves. TTP are Muslims. You said “you will never succeed”, implying Indians or non-Muslims are doing it. Just dropped in to tell you you are wrong.Recommend

  • https://www.facebook.com/shail.arora.589 Shail Arora

    “Your tribe is small and powerless and inconsequential.”… try and show this same arrogance when you visit Kashmir this summer. You are still on, aren’t you?Recommend

  • https://www.facebook.com/shail.arora.589 Shail Arora

    “More Tourists visited Kashmir last year…”
    How does this prove that they’ve accepted Indian state rule? They would welcome tourists from any nationality as long as money is being pumped into the region. Survival is a basic trait of humans.

    Say whatever you want about free and fair elections but you can not refute this – “How can an election in the presence of 700,000 Indian soldiers be called free and fair?”Recommend

  • someone

    yeah when Pakistan sent the lashkars in Kashmir and Hari Singh had to sought Indian army’s help. The same Kashmiris supported Indian army against those lashkars.Recommend

  • Kashmiri Pundit

    Dude, the very fact that you have a liberty to spew venom against nation whose benefits you don’t shy to reap is a proof that Kashmiris are the most thankless people on this planet.Recommend

  • Sid

    When u say the same lie too many times you start believing into it. Like the lie called UN “mandate”. All the documents on UN Resolution ( not mandate ) are available on UN’s website, please find me any set of wordings in the UN resolution which “mandates” anything. If you cannot then please stop troubling yourself with such delusions.Recommend