Don’t cheer for Pakistan’s cricket team if you are in India, you may be suspended or stabbed!

Published: March 6, 2014
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The local students were outraged by the Kashmiris’ support for the ‘enemy’ team. PHOTO: AFP

In a bizarre demonstration of overbearing nationalism, a university in Uttar Pradesh suspended 67 Kashmiri students for cheering for the Pakistani cricket team. This may be a clinical sign that the sore-loser syndrome has reached its terminal stage.

I don’t watch cricket. All I really know about the sport is that Pakistan won the match because Shakil Afridi, incidentally the same guy who found Osama, scored a last-minute goal (also called a ‘touchdown’).

I do know, though, that every India-Pakistan cricket match sends the neighbouring nations into a state of frenzy, which is quite natural. It doesn’t matter. As long as their skirmishes and battles are confined to the cricket stadium, I have no qualms with their passion.

Occasionally, that fervour spills out of the stadium into the real world, causing significant turbulence in our social and political lives. Swami Vivekanand Subharti University (SVSU) has policies as complicated and arcane as its name would suggest. The institution indefinitely suspended all Kashmiri students residing in Madan Dhingra hostel for applauding Pakistan’s victory in the cricket match.

The administration received complaints regarding some Kashmiri students yelling pro-Pakistani slogans and clapping whenever the Pakistani team scored. The Kashmiri students complained of angry Indian team supporters vandalising their rooms and damaging their property in retaliation. Only one of these complaints was dealt with seriously.

It’s like the time when New York’s Columbia University expelled a Chicago student for cheering the Chicago Bulls instead of New York Knicks during a basketball… oh, of course I’m kidding. There is no precedent, at least to my knowledge. A university cannot mandate which sports team a student may or may not support. The subcontinent, in this regard, is a universe of its own.

A three-tier inquiry at SVSU was appalled when the Kashmiri students refused to come forward and apologise for their behaviour. When they refused to give names of the students responsible for causing the uproar, all 67 Kashmiri students of the hostel were sent back to the valley.

The crime was not hooliganism; that, if any, is being attributed to the local students who were outraged by the Kashmiris’ support for the ‘enemy’ team. The most offensive part of the incident is the institution’s firm belief in its own imaginary magnanimity, that they sent these students back to the valley to secure them from the possible clashes. The attitude, it seems, is being shared by many parents of students at the university as well.

These are the same kind of wise policy-makers who would suspend a woman from work at the office in order to ‘protect her from harassment’. It does not occur to the administration to reprimand and punish the local students who are not evolved enough to tolerate a student’s support for an opposing team. The answer, instead, is to punish the victim and send him home.

Regrettably, this is not even the worst incident in the aftermath of the cricket match. In the Baramulla region of occupied Kashmir, a youth was stabbed to death by Indian forces for celebrating Pakistan’s victory. While this aggression will surely be bilaterally decried, this will not likely be the wake-up call to us on what jingoism could lead us to, just as thousands of tragedies before this weren’t.

I’ve learned from past experiences that whenever I say something marginally critical of anything Indian, I must also say something equally and irrelevantly critical of Pakistan so not to hurt an Indian friend’s pride.

So I would add, to burst my fellow Pakistanis’ bubble, that if somebody openly applauded the Indian team in a Pakistani university, he too would be treated rather poorly. Would he get suspended? Depending on the university, quite possibly, though that hasn’t happened yet as far as I’m aware. If it does happen, I would condemn that wholeheartedly as well.

SVSU’s immaturity deserves no apologists. A university’s vice-chancellor should not be concerned with which sports team I cheer for or which Game of Thrones character I root for. If anybody is to be punished, it should be the one not capable of tolerating diversity of thought at the campus.

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Faraz Talat

Faraz Talat

A medical doctor and bubble-wrap enthusiast from Rawalpindi, who writes mostly about science and social politics (and bubble-wrap). He tweets @FarazTalat (twitter.com/FarazTalat)

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  • Mohammad Amir

    Kindly give the complete version. The news also says that some kashmiri students also raised Anti India slogans which made the matter worse.

    Mohammad Amir
    New Delhi
    IndiaRecommend

  • Faraz Talat

    In the heat of any match, it’s fairly common for any person to cheer his own favorite team and boo the opponent’s team.

    You ask me to provide this “complete version” as if that makes this immaturity excusable.Recommend

  • Suraj

    If the same would have happened in a Pakistani University, the students would have perhaps not alive by now.Recommend

  • Qalandur

    The expulsion/suspension was bad? This,.. is Modi’s preview. Of things to come.
    He has whipped up India into a fervor. And is considered a messiah.
    Wait until he is in power. He has promised to teach this country a lesson. The
    same Modi who was found ‘innocent’ of Gujrat’s massacre of muslims.Recommend

  • sam

    you don’t know a lot about cricket, huh? you’re so cool, man…right?Recommend

  • watcher

    I am sure, any Pakistani will not mind, if some other fellow Pakistani starts cheering for Indian Team. Come on buddy …Recommend

  • Raj

    UP is a communally sensitive place. In the last one year more than 103 riots between Hindus and Muslims have taken place. Surely Kashmiri students were aware of this and despite that they provoked the locals. This could have provoked tensions among local Hindus and Muslims especially during election season. Why play into the hands of the RSS and Modi? I fully support University’s steps to stop it from getting worse.Recommend

  • Rasgullah

    If Pakistani Hindu students had cheered for India in a Pakistani university, they wouldn’t be alive now. Send the Kashmiris to Pakistan so that they can enjoy their life there. They are always a fifth columnRecommend

  • Waseem Sarwar

    Few years back when Pakistan and India played in Mohali in WC Semifinal, we arranged a screen in our locality to watch with our neighbors. There are some 20,30 Sikh and Hindu families in our surroundings and they all joined us for the match and even few of them painted Indian flags on their faces and i remember they even sung Indian anthem as well while rest of people supported Pakistan. We had a lot of banter during the whole match but it was fun. I always thought we, the Pakistanis, are more extremist towards India but this incident has changed my perception. Can’t people choose cricket teams?Recommend

  • Gulrukh

    Hey,
    Many Indians live in Karachi. They must have cheered for their country as well but i don’t think there was any news about a university in Pakistan suspending Indian student.Recommend

  • Queen

    It is really surprising to see that India, which claims of being the biggest democracy, has not yet given freedom of speech to people living in its territories. It is fairly common to cheer one’s favorite team during any match be it cricket or soccer but expelling students on this basis is totally illogical. India wants to ‘rise’ and ‘shine’ but first it should address the issue of extremism prevalent in its society.Recommend

  • Salman

    That’s your misconception. It didn’t happen in Pakistan and now you’re acting like a typical Indian. Grow up! Accept that Indian authorities did an unethical and immoral activity by arresting those kashmiri’s.Recommend

  • Just saying

    There is a difference between booing the opponent team and opponent
    country. While shouting “Hindustan Murdabad” may be a way to boost Pakistan Cricket Team, it definitely will not go down well with
    people in rest of India.
    University maturely handled the issue by temporarily removing the Kashmiri students from the campus premises as there were repeated clashes between two groups.
    Labelling sedition charges is way too much though but the Kashmiri students should do remember that it’s not Shri Nagar where you can shout “Indian dogs go back” in the face of a soldier.Recommend

  • Noman Ansari

    Let’s see how fair and balanced our Indian readers are now. Faraz and I are often labeled anti-Pakistani or ‘indian lovers’ by dimwitted readers, when we take a stance that is seemingly favorable for India. We call it like we see it, even when it comes to our own country’s issues.

    There are no two ways about this. Suspending these students was wrong. I have noticed that some Indian readers are very sound in their judgment when it comes to Pakistani issues, but are suddenly oversensitive and defensive when it is anything related to their own. Not all, of course.

    What this is, is ridiculous. You can’t win the hearts of your people through draconian actions. For me, this is a test of how fair and wise our readers from the other side of the border are.

    Are we going to call a spade a spade, or are we going to come up with excuses. I am already tired of some Pakistani readers acting as apologists.

    Trust me, if a Pakistani Hindu was caught cheering for India and punished, the educated Pakistani readers would have been very upset. My blog on Bhagat Singh, where a chowk was renamed because of his religion, had many Pakistani readers agree that it was wrong.

    Can our educated Indian readers match their Pakistani counterparts in unbiased thinking? Let’s see.Recommend

  • Noman Ansari

    That’s like saying Manchester United fans should be booted for Anti Man. City slogans.Recommend

  • Noman Ansari

    Strike one. You are being biased and skirting the issue. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    BTW, when Pakistan is knocked out of a tournament, my friends and I cheer for India.Recommend

  • Noman Ansari

    Let the punishment fit the crime. To actually punish students for this
    is wrong.Recommend

  • Noman Ansari

    So you punish them? Think about what you are saying.Recommend

  • water bottle

    Indian students study in Karachi colleges?

    If you are talking about Indian diplomats or journalists, so do Pakistani diplomats and Pakistani journalists in India.

    Yes, no INdian university has suspended your journalists.Recommend

  • Necromancer

    First of all with all due respect faraz (bhai) stop copying other people style of writing……….and I think you know exactly what I mean, Secondly in Pakistan if someone was found supporting India would be killed and declared blasphemous……and third we should have no concern in What India does to it populace focus on Pakistan rather than meddling in other countries affair (it has always backfired)………..and I from Pakistan and I am not a terroristRecommend

  • Khalid S.

    For your information, a lot of students in Pakistani universities cheer everytime Kohli plays a classic shot, or Jadeja takes a stunning catch, or Bhuvi bowls an outswinger. It was a great match to watch, both teams played great and showed their class.Recommend

  • Necromancer

    Understand the complexity it is not to clubs playing against each other….These are two countries who have fought three wars spend almost 70% of their budget on military to maintain their superiority and both possess Nuclear Weapons…………Apple and Oranges dude you can’t compare them bothRecommend

  • water bottle

    Yes it does my friend.

    If they were suspended just for supporting Pakistan, I would have decried this incidence as immature.

    If someone in India shouts anti Indian slogan, then he should be ready to face consequences. Because, he is doing so, just to create problems. Mischief mongering is a trademark of Muslims and especially Pakistani Muslims. Keep troubling until something reaches a boiling point.

    P S : I don’t understand why these Kashmiris not go to Pakistan for studies? Why do they come down to other parts of India which they curse?

    Is it because Pakistanis have systematically destroyed their educational institutions like they have destroyed everything in their country?Recommend

  • Mohammad Amir

    Dear Ansari Sahab, with 4 wars between India and Pakistan and the scars unhealed. meerut – muzaffarnagar zone recently has witnessed clashes between hindus and muslims on grand scale definitely this is not the location for raising Anti – India Slogan. Also to add that most, if not all, of these students are studying in private university of Meerut on Government of India Scholarships. Its a shame that some of these students bring a bad name to the whole community of Kashmir Muslims by raising against the Nation where they live, eat and get scholarships.

    this is clash of identity and ideologies.
    There is no comparison with the case of Man United.
    There might be some problems in India but this is our Motherland. We will live for it and die for it.

    The problem is not that some Kashmiris raished pro Pakistan slogan but they also raised Anti India slogan by saying “Hindustan Murdabad”. This we will not tolerate.

    Regards,
    Mohammad Amir
    New Delhi, India.Recommend

  • Parvez

    If I’m not wrong this incident happened after the thrilling Bangladesh / Pakistan match. Where Bangladesh made Pakistan sweat and work for their win. Surprisingly when Pakistan beat India, a few days back in a thrilling game of cricket…….this did not happen.Recommend

  • Mohammad Amir

    If you think that “it’s fairly common for any person to cheer his own favorite team and boo the opponent’s team” then let them also be ready to get kicks on their ass.
    Laaton ke bhoot baatoon se nahien maantein.
    Hazzar laatein haise namak haraam Kashmiri per jo khate Bharat ki hai aur tarafdari Bairooni mulk ki karte hai..

    Mohammad Amir
    New Delhi
    IndiaRecommend

  • water bottle

    Sorry, I don’t believe a word you are saying. It sounds like a load of manure.

    In Pakistan minorities are scared for their lives. Even by minding their own businesses, they get kidnapped, killed and force converted and then you are coming up with this load?

    Unless you give me some evidence, no one outside Pakistan belives your load.

    Don’t mind me. Pakistanis are infamous as liars. Some American even called Pakistanis pathological liars.Recommend

  • Anshuman Tripathy

    Okay let me try and rationalise this for you guys.

    India is an extremely nationalistic state.Its constitution was founded on the principles of Unity in Diversity and the concept that we might speak different languages and have different cultures but we are Indians first and foremost.

    This sentiment can be found in Indian pop culture too (Movies,Advertisements, songs and whatnot).

    Most of the people here put the country ahead of religion or caste and thats what all of us are taught in our schools too.

    The Kashmiri Students were heard shouting ‘Hindustan Murdabad’ and other Anti-India Slogans at the top of their lungs.

    So people saying ‘Hindustan Murdabad’ in India is as bad as a bunch of pakistanis saying ‘Islam Murdabad’ in Pakistan.

    He would be charged with blaspemy and would have to eventually leave the country, if he ends up alive before that happens.

    Also The Kashmiri students have been temporarily suspended and will definitely be called back once things settle down.Recommend

  • mhammad ovais khan

    there are Indian Team supporters in certain locations but we respect the fact that everybody reserve the opinion about the inclination towards the team which you may not wanted to see by someone but stabbing to death was for sure a cold blooded and jingoistic act you guys really went bad in comprehending the reality of having mix of feelings about Pakistan in Kashmir if there would have been esp Kashmiri local having soft corner for India then its he will be in more happily lived in Pakistan then his counterpart living in IndiaRecommend

  • Waleed Shah

    This is what the vice chancellor had to say: “Their behavior was not conducive to peace on the campus. It creates bad blood with the local boys.”
    I think that the suspension most certainly saved them students from harm or from getting killed. The university ensured that they stopped any threat or possibility of violence by removing the students from the premises. University rented buses to move them students back to their hometowns which I believe was a wise step.
    Can we blame anyone for going medieval after such an incident? In an ideal world, a snub would be enough. We do not live in an ideal world, do we? You don’t go to someone’s home, piss in their dining room and expect smiles in return. Everyone should know better! The university did what was the only way to handle this to avoid certain violence.Recommend

  • Aniqa Sultan

    Please get your fact straight first it is Shahid Afridi who played not Shakil Afridi!Recommend

  • Noman Ansari

    I agree that it isn’t the same thing as City vs Man U fans. Those two club fans will kill each other and they are from the same country! (kidding).

    I see what you guys are saying, but suspending students sets the wrong precedent.Recommend

  • Noman Ansari

    Amir I don’t know if they actually said ‘hindustan murdabad’ — which is wrong, or if they were provoked. Going by the official stance they were punished for cheering for Pakistan.

    As a part of a nation that mistreats Christians, Ahmedis, and Kamran Akmal fans, I know where this road goes. Today you are suspending students for their choice, tomorrow you are renaming chowks because they were named after a Hindu. Cut the evil plant before its roots spread.Recommend

  • Noman Ansari

    ” Some American even called Pakistanis pathological liars.”

    How is that a yardstick for anything? Some Americans like eating hotdogs. So? I prefer burgers. OK, I also prefer hotdogs.

    Oh now I see your logic.Recommend

  • water bottle

    If they were suspended just for supporting Pakistan, I would have decried this incidence as immature.

    If someone in India shouts anti Indian slogan, then he should be ready to face consequences. Because, he is doing so, just to create
    problems. Keep troubling until something reaches a boiling point.

    These 67 Kashmiris did what they did with the malicious intent of disrupting peace.

    And note that the vice chancellor of the university is also a Muslim.

    Note again, the vice chancellor of the university is also a Muslim.

    Again, vice chancellor of the university is also a Muslim.

    Now, let me also tell you that in many Indian cities, during Ganesha festivals, Hindus are not allowed to take procession on certain street. This is because these streets are sensitive and Hindus and Muslims are known to create mischieves just to create trouble.

    These Kashmiris who chanted anti INdia slogan had absolutely no good intention. They did it only to create reigious disharmony and to create trouble.Recommend

  • Faraz Talat

    > “Mischief mongering is a trademark of Muslims and especially Pakistani Muslims”

    Do you expect anyone to take such bigoted comments seriously? Do you? Truly?Recommend

  • SM

    I like Express Tribune just because of articles such as these. I am from India therefore it might be an useful perspective for Pakistani readers. I completely agree that Kashmiri students should have the right to cheer for whichever team they want, living in whichever part of India, studying in whichever University of India. Let me go a bit forward and say this, they even have the right to denounce India with any slogans they want again in all parts of India and its many universities. This is the right to free expression and speech and it must not be curtailed, not only for Kashmiris but for everyone. The problem began when Mr. Nehru with his 1st Amendment to the Indian constitution created provisions of restriction to free speech in the interest of public law and order. This created the slippery slope that today haunts India as every group now claims their emotions are hurt. If emotions are so weak and hurt, perhaps they should stay at home and mend them, but to curtail free speech of others should not be an option. But it is, and that is Mr. Nehru’s one of the biggest failures. I am not concerned about the hypothetical question about how Pakistanis would react, because its their country and their call to make about what direction they want to take their country. But for India I feel free speech should be absolute, not only for Kashmiris who are disenfranchised but for everyone as long as there is no violence. However, threat of violence cannot be the reason to curtail the free speech of anyone, that is a question of law and order, and Indian police should defend free speech against the threat of violence. That said, it is important to know why Indian Kashmiris are doing what they did. It is for Indians to acknowledge what mistakes were made in J&K during the last two decades because of which these students who are being educated on the backs of Indian taxpayers are so anti India. It is for Indians to find ways to dissuage their grievances not exasperate it but slapping them with spurious lawsuits. The same thing used to happen with other Indian Muslims when I was growing up in Bihar in 80s and 90s, and I have seen them cheering for Pakistan, but it does not happen anymore. There is a reason today Indian Muslims feels safer by the day in India, they certainly cheer for Indian cricket team, even against Pakistan, and it is because of the nature of Indian secularism, which is very much a work in progress. I am sure over time Kashmiri Muslims will come in the fold of India as years progresses and then we will see the India Gandhi imagined where there is communal harmony, no poverty and amity between religious groups.Recommend

  • Mohammad Amir

    We don’t want Indians who choose to say “hindustan murdabad”. such people can cross the border and make their residence in some other country.Recommend

  • http://itsfoss.com/ Abhishek Prakash

    Hi Noman,
    I have read your articles and I respect your views. As you asked educated Indian readers’ views, I’ll give my own, if you think I belong to the educated ones ;)

    First, when the two groups came to blow University called the police. The matter calmed down only to lead to another round of bouts on Monday. This prompted the university administration to remove the Kashmiri students from the campus to avoid any unfortunate issue.

    If you think it was wrong of Varsity administration to remove the Kashmiri students off the campus then let me tell you my own incident from my college in Sikkim (north east India). Fighting between local groups and other students lead to removing all the non local students off the campus. It was for the students’ safety. Matter calmed down, student came back and everything was normal again.

    Yes, I do agree that the Kashmiri students should NOT have been charged with sedition. Also, action should have been taken against the rioting students of other group (non Kashmiris) as well. But I think the VC who is a Muslim could not take risk of being labelled as siding with “so called traitors”. It’s election time. Hindus show how secular they are and Muslims show patriotic they are during election time.

    I stand by the action of the varsity admin (mostly) but not with UP police who booked the rioting students under sedition charges.

    Regards,
    AbhishekRecommend

  • Noman Ansari

    dude… but the 67 weren’t suspended for shouting anti-Indian slogans… they were suspended because they wouldn’t spill the beans on WHO it actually was.

    “When they refused to give names of the students responsible for causing the uproar, all 67 Kashmiri students of the hostel were sent back to the valley.”Recommend

  • Noman Ansari

    I can’t take the word mischief seriously.Recommend

  • Necromancer

    Wrong precedent :P do you want those Kashmir’s to be killed well India and Pakistan are on the same page when it comes down to violence Hindu’s probably even Muslims will kill them………how can you be so naive…..I like your enthusiasm and I know you really care about Kashmir’s student but this is something I will stand by, suspending them was the least the VC could do to avert communal violence or probably genocide……..and please if you are so much for liberation and human rights advocate for the abolition of Quota system in Pakistan…….Recommend

  • Ali

    The students should not have been detained and suspended for 3 days. What happened was not right and there has been sufficient outrage/protest for this action in India including the CM of J&K personally talking to the CM of UP to look into this issue.

    What also happened was that 3 people died in Karachi in celebratory gun-shots after Pakistan won the match. However there has been literally no protest/outrage for this from any Pakistani.
    In my view 3 ppl dying is a much more grave issue than students being detained/suspended.

    Pakistan should really look into the problems faced by their country rather than having the schadenfreude at the relatively smaller issues faced by their neighbor.Recommend

  • http://itsfoss.com/ Abhishek Prakash

    Did this happen in Pakistan or in a country other than Pakistan and India?? If it was in a third country, this is very normal. As an expat Indian I do have Pakistani friends and we do watch matches like these, there is nothing special about that.

    However I would be surprised if the incident you narrated was with Pakistani Hindus and Sikhs watching the match in Pakistan with Indian flags on their faces.Recommend

  • amoghavarsha.ii

    Author and Noman are being childish, nobody will tolerate there country being bad mouthed by others. Especially from separatist mindset muslims who think of islam as country rather than land they are born. Face the facts straight, the students who should know very well what they are doing delibrately bad mouthed the country they are studying in , they are lucky plain to be treated as per law, in many places it does not happen so.Recommend

  • water bottle

    There was no logic in that. That was an addendum.

    I didn’t use that as an excuse to call Pakistanis liars. Nor do i need Americans to tell me that Pakistanis are liars.

    Perhaps not you. Perhaps not some in Pakistan. But, we Indians have enough experience to know that Pakistanis tell more lies. We don’t need America to understand that.

    Do you need me to give you some examples? How about some blatant lies about 26/11 and Kargil?Recommend

  • water bottle

    Since you are a creative writer, I request you to refrain from making analogy. Please don’t mind me saying this. it’s just that different people have different strengths.

    Your analogies are worse than Afridi’s coherent speeches (did that analogy work for you?).

    manchester united, hotdogs, burgers…sorry, they all fail to make clear points.Recommend

  • Queen

    Water bottle, there are several families in Pakistan especially in Karachi who have settled down after migrating from India at the time of partition ( mind you a large number of them are hindus). What Waseem has said in his comment is not something new in Pakistan. There are several Hindu students in my university and in other universities who support
    India against Pakistan in matches and in singing competitions. Kindly refrain from criticizing Pakistan if you don’t have knowledge about the ground realities in our country.Recommend

  • Waseem Sarwar

    “no one outside Pakistan belives your load”, Coming from an Indian i suppose. lol. I belong to a district named Mandi Bahauddin and we have some 3,4 localities of non Muslims sitting happily in center of city, majority of Hindus while some Sikhs and Christian families too and if someone isn’t happy with state of affairs in Pakistan, i bet not a single of them would ever want to go to India anyway. They have spent their generations here so they are as Pakistani as we are. :)Recommend

  • https://www.facebook.com/shail.arora.589 Shail Arora

    @anshuman_tripathy:disqus “India is an extremely nationalistic state.”… Really? Our nationalistic feelings are only showcased on forums, I don’t really see it trickling down and being followed in actions. Had we been truly nationalistic, these Kashmiri guys would not have had a reason to do to whatever they did, after all, they are supposedly, a part of this nation too. And I have no qualms in admitting that it’s the general Indian populace, who is responsible for alienating Kashmiris. I have said this before on this forum (and others), we are just blinded by ego and sentiments on this subject.

    @faraztalat:disqus – Is there any other source of following – ‘youth was stabbed to death by Indian forces’? A quick google search did not reveal much. At least, it hasn’t been reported on any of the big Indian newspaper sites. I won’t be surprised if they are trying to downplay the whole thing.Recommend

  • Shashank Manickam

    you are no one to decide what punishment fits the crime……..university did what they thought was rightRecommend

  • Pin2

    “If anybody is to be punished, it should be the one not capable of tolerating diversity of thought at the campus.”

    And truly that what has happened. This was clearly a case of Muslims supporting Muslims and discriminating a Multi- religion team. Message here is clear shun this attitude or go back to the place where such attitudes are tolerated. An that place is certainly not India.

    It is high time that people of South Asia should understand that discrimination on the basis of Cast, creed, region or religion is thing of past.

    Many would argue that Kashimiri students were not supporting Pakistan because it was a Muslim team. To those gentlemen, I would only say one word. “SERIOUSLY!!!!”

    A place where slogans such as “Kashmir me jis ko rehna hoga. Allah hu Akbar Kehna hoga” are chanted would not support Pakistan because they eat same type of food.Recommend

  • water bottle

    That’s what the blog says.

    I would rather wait for Indian sources. I have seen on a number of occasions, Pakistani media distorting the facts thoroughly.

    Cases in point:

    1) When an officer made an allegation against his superiro about what he claimed about 26/11 attacks, Pakistani media twisted it as a sworn affidavit in the court.

    2) When a blind -pakistani cricketer drank diluted phenyl and was released from the hospital within hours, Pakistani media reported it as acid being deliberately given to Pakistani blind cricketer.Recommend

  • Pin2

    Mate, Spurs were called Yids(Search Yiddish for more info) by Totts fans & that turned out to be a serious racism chant and was taken very seriously by MET police. There were arrests and banning of such fans from the stadium.

    Booing is always accepted if it does not lead to racism or abuse to religion, cast creed or appearance.Recommend

  • Anthony

    I’m a Pakistani minority and since you’re referencing US in this conversation as a benchmark of your apparent knowledge of how we’re treated, I will put my two cents in:

    Waseem is right.

    During the last 3 World Cups, I’ve had the opportunity of watching the matches of India vs. Pakistan with Hindu Pakistanis in Karachi. Some members of their family even put up India flags in their balcony, home etc because they supported India, while other members of the same Hindu family supported Pakistan. NO one said a word to anyone. In fact, when India won those matches, everyone simply celebrated the game and enjoyed food and sweets afterward.

    Recommend

  • water bottle

    Maybe. That’s good. That’s speaks volumes about the harmony you have in your city. Congrats.

    That does not disprove my comment in anyway.

    I’m sorry, i don’t trust you. If you have any videos or snaps, that may help me change my mind.Recommend

  • DLX Area 1

    “So I would add, to burst my fellow Pakistanis’ bubble, that if somebody
    openly applauded the Indian team in a Pakistani university, he too would be treated rather poorly. Would he get suspended? Depending on the
    university, quite possibly, though that hasn’t happened yet as far as I’m aware. If it does happen, I would condemn that wholeheartedly as
    well.”

    Well, while this was not exactly a university, something like this happened in Pakistan. Check this link http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Backing-India-lands-PoK-leaders-in-jail/articleshow/8009074.cms?referral=PMRecommend

  • Anthony

    The hilarity among the Indians commenting here is that the Kashmiris shouldn’t have raised any anti-India slogans along with the banter about the match.

    They claim they said it, the Kashmiris say they didn’t. Looks like I now know the inspiration for the Indian comedy ‘tu tu mein mein’. :DRecommend

  • water bottle

    What some Kashmiris did is rooted in many factors and none of it is the responsibility of the Indian civilians.

    Government has done several mistakes, including rigging elections and keeping the guns out on the streets.

    The root cause however lies in the pin pricking of Pakistan. Kashmiri separatism is a misguided cause funded by Pakistan. It will die sooner or later.Recommend

  • Malaika Harris

    Why am I not surprised? This is actually very typical of Indian nationalists: they (rightfully) condemn Pakistan over its horrific human rights record, but when it comes to their own country, they start coming up with the lamest excuses. For your information, Mr. Pakistani-Media-Can’t-Be-Trusted, this disgraceful story isn’t only being reported in the our press. Is Al Jazeera good enough for you? http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2014/03/police-hunt-kashmiri-students-over-cricket-201436105628380562.htmlRecommend

  • Malaika Harris

    Please don’t be surprised, Noman. This is a common tactic among blind nationalists from any country. It’s call “whataboutism,” where upon hearing something bad about their country, a nationalist would reply by saying “What about…,” followed by the naming of an event in an “enemy country” that loosely resembles the original item of criticism. This is nothing new; it’s an old, boring, and morally disgraceful way of dealing with criticism.Recommend

  • Malaika Harris

    Your argument makes no sense. Justifying the crackdown on Pakistan cricket fans by comparing it to the terrible Pakistani blasphemy laws only works if you then think that Pakistan is right in enforcing the blasphemy laws. What a horrible, lame excuse that was.Recommend

  • water bottle

    Read my follow up comment.

    We don’t need US testimony to support the fact that Pakistan has a disrepute for being a liar.

    I did not use US reference as a benchmark. I used it as a supporting statement.

    Hindus may have supported India. I never questioned that.

    I question even your assertion that they put up flags. That, to me is rubbish, unless you show me some proof. I won’t trust any Anthony or Waseem on this. This is just a load.

    In private what one does is his own business. Unless you prove to me that Hindus wore flags or even supported India in public, I will call it a load of manure.

    Sorry. No offense. but the credibility of Pakistan is abysmal.Recommend

  • Malaika Harris

    That has to be the most useless, irrelevant comment I’ve ever had the misfortune to read on the internet. Hats off to you.Recommend

  • Faraz Talat

    Their reasons to support the Pakistani team are their own. They do not owe you an explanation for why they support sports team A and not B.

    They could be cheering Pakistan for all the wrong reasons; that does not change the fact that the university doesn’t get to decide which sports team a student supports or doesn’t.

    Let’s face it: If a Pakistani Hindu had been suspended from Lahore University of Management Sciences for cheering the Indian cricket team, you would’ve complained.Recommend

  • Rakib

    Sedition case is bad decision of authorities & should be reversed asap. It shows up India as a very immature country that can’t tolerate dissent. But, with BJP smelling blood & local Party wanting to be one-up it will get worse! At election time every party is competing to be super-jingoistic & these boys are now fair game. The en-masse suspension itself is an over reaction of a Muslim VC (Dr Manzoor Ahmad & probably eager to prove his loyalty) of the ‘Varsity named after a respected Hindu Monk in a communally sensitive city in the heartland of India ruled by a Party that boasts of Secular/Liberal credentials but harbours ruffians. OTOH: Barely 6 months ago there was Hindu-Muslim riot in Meerut on some petty cause. Pro-Pak sloganeering would have been oil to fire. Poor VC must have been aghast because he might have never heard such slogans on the campus, though it’s not uncommon in Kashmir Valley. Unheard of in hostels of Aligarh & The Darul Uloom Deoband which are in same State & Jamia Milia Islamia & Jamia Hamdard in next door Delhi while the State is dotted with Madrasas & famous Seminaries. The students are to be charged for Sedition! Section 124A IPC,that is,Sedition,is a Macaulayvian Law much loved by the British, & was used in its earlier form to punish the rebels like Gandhi. The irony is the first shot of seditious Sepoy Mutiny (which some call first war of independence) was fired in May 1857 at Meerut Cantt- the very same city where the current episode has occurred!Recommend

  • Anshuman Tripathy

    My comment was edited by ET. I was making a comparison between two kinds of taboos in India and Pakistan. My point was that India was more jingoistic in its mindset whereas Pakistanis are more religious which is natural as Pakistan was founded on the basis of Islam.

    Doing something Anti-National in India would be frowned upon as bad if not worse as doing something anti-islam in pakistan.

    ET had removed this line from my comment earlier:

    “I dont have to go into the details of what would happen if someone was brave enough to say something against Islam in Pakistan. He would be charged with blaspemy and would have to eventually leave the country, if he ends up alive before that happens.”

    Removing the 1st line completely changed the context of what I was trying to say. ET Publish this please.Recommend

  • water bottle

    Directly from BBC, the most trusted news source in the world:

    University vice-chancellor Manzoor Ahmed said the suspension was a “precautionary measure”.

    “There was strong resentment against the students who had
    shouted anti-national and pro-Pakistan slogans after Pakistan won the
    match. So as a precautionary measure, we temporarily suspended students
    of Jammu and Kashmir for three days.

    —————————————————————————

    Contrary to what you are saying and exactly like I said, this led to an ugly situation that could have escalated into a riot like situation. This exactly is what is called as mischief mongering..

    And contrary to the hype you are creating, these people are only suspended. Not dismissed. there will be hearings and those proven guilty will get their due. Probably be expelled from the college for being trouble-mongers. The innocent ones will be taken back into the college.Recommend

  • Waseem Sarwar

    least Manchester United and City one makes sense. least to me. :) GGMU.Recommend

  • Waseem Sarwar

    My bad, i didn’t thought at that time that i would need “evidence” to “prove” something which i didn’t even thought was that important. I would seriously ask people about snaps or Videos. :)Recommend

  • Malaika Harris

    You’ve completely destroyed any chances of us taking your comments seriously. “Pakistanis tell more lies”? I honestly don’t know whether to laugh or to cry.
    And using 26/11 and Kargil as proof only works if you think the military establishment represents the views of 179 million other Pakistanis.Recommend

  • Anshuman Tripathy

    You dont have the slightest idea of what you are talking about dont you?

    The whole problem with Kashmir started when Pakistan started routing mujahideens from the afghani front to kashmir in 1988. There was an infiltration of a massive scale that took from 1988-1995. The Jihadis in collaboration with anti-national elements started calling for Kashmir to be a part of Pakistan. Kashmiri Pandits were massacred in broad daylight and around 5 lakh pandits were thrown out of Kashmir and became refugees in their own country.

    The Army was called into Kashmir and it did what it had to do to regain control and gain some modicum of sanity in the valley.

    Ordinary kashmiris who had nothing to do with the preceding events felt like the army was invading their privacy and rightly so. They had every right to feel that. If the army controls every aspect of my Life in my own Home town I would obviously feel alienated.

    Please try and understand that this is a simple case of cause and effect.

    If Pakistan had not sent Jihadis into Kashmir in 1988 , none of this would have ever happened. I mean Kashmiris were living in peace from 1947 to 1988 without any army presence.Recommend

  • Malaika Harris

    “there will be hearings and those proven guilty will get their due.”

    Guilty of what? Of excercising their freedom of speech? I mean even if these kids shouted anti-India slogans, there’s no reason they should be arrested. Talking about “secularism” and “democracy” is completely useless when you can’t even let people say what they want to say. How is this any different from Pakistan’s blasphemy laws?Recommend

  • Malaika Harris

    That’s totally irreleveant. Yes, this happened in Pakistan. Yes, Pakistanis are quite nationalistic. Yes, Pakistan has a terrible record of dealing with its minorities. But how does any of that justify what just happened in Kashmir? Reflexively pointing the finger back to Pakistan whenever you hear criticism of your own country is stupid. I normally never do this, but I’m just really shocked by what I’m seeing normally rational Indian commenters doing here today. You can’t criticize Pakistan’s messed up situation and then be defensive whenever India is mentioned. It destroys any credibility you might have had.Recommend

  • Malaika Harris

    You’re completely missing the point. The right to question to ask, then, would be: WHY would there be “certain violence” after this incident? Can’t people have the right to say whatever they want (even if it’s something as despicable as “death to India”) without fearing for their lives? That tells us quite a bit about the environment these kids were in (not much different from Pakistan’s, it seems). Like I said, democracy and secularism is useless without the freedom to say whatever you want, without worrying about being killed by a mob.Recommend

  • water bottle

    Stop calling them as Pak cricket fans.

    They were just trouble-mongers who shouted anti India comments just to create nuisance.Recommend

  • water bottle

    Well, it doesn’t. Manchester United is a club. Owned by private indivuduals. The players come all over the world and not just Manchester United. Besides it is not even based out of Manchester city. The name refers to Manchester county and not city.

    Pakistan is not a club, nor do its players come from different countries and it is not owned by a private individuals.Recommend

  • Malti Chaturvedi

    i dont know if pakistanis tolerate anti pakistani slogans by hindus or not…. but indians wont ever tolerate anti india slogans especially by kashmiris living in other parts of india…..these kashmiris were also thrashed for supporting afzal guru……and plz dont compare ur scary blasphemy laws with what happened with kashmiris….they have been sent home…in blasphemy u know…..oh come on u know what happens…..kashmirs are pro pakistanis that is a fact….however if they are so willing to go to pakistan they can….no probs…..Recommend

  • water bottle

    Who is arrested? Can you please tell me?

    They are suspended for creating trouble. they are neither arrested nor they will be arrested.

    I believe that the real trouble mongers will be dismissed from the college. The rest will be taken back in.

    Or given the political nature, and coming elections, nothing will happen. Not even an inquiry. That is wrong.

    In fact, this action was taken to protect the Kashmiri students. Before you jump into conclusion, this was stated by the parents of a student to Hindustan Times and not me.Recommend

  • Anshuman Tripathy

    ET Please publish this…I am not violating any of your censorship policies.

    My comment was edited by ET. I was making a comparison between the two kinds of taboos in India and Pakistan. My point was that India was more jingoistic in its mindset whereas Pakistanis are more religious which is totally natural as Pakistan was founded on the basis of Islam.

    Doing something Anti-National in India would frowned upon as bad as doing something anti-islam in pakistan.

    ET had removed this line from my comment earlier:

    “I dont have to go into the details of what would happen if someone was brave enough to say anything against Islam in Pakistan. He would be charged with blaspemy , incarcerated and would have to eventually leave the country”

    Removing the 1st line completely changed the context of what I was trying to say.

    Come on ET atleast tell me what part of that you found offensive.Recommend

  • water bottle

    You think I care if you take me seriously? And why are you replying if you didn’t take me seriously.

    Military establishment? Really? Your media, political parties, religious leaders and even common people lied after 26/11.

    I will give you the benefit of doubt and just go to ET reports on 26/11 and see what common Pakistanis had to say? If you have access to youtube, see what your media said?

    I don’t say that 180 million Pakistanis are liars. But based on your own media reports, comments over 1000s of blogs, news articles, editorials.

    I know that there is a small minority who are honest of the likes of Asma and Pervez and the son of Maududi.

    But who represents Pakistan? Majority or the minority?Recommend

  • Malaika Harris

    “indians wont ever tolerate anti india slogans especially by kashmiris living in other parts of india”
    ^ Good job, you’ve just proven that India doesn’t allow freedom of speech. If you want to live in a free society, all voices need to be heard, including the ones that are particularly offensive. Of course, that’s IF the protestors even chanted anti-India slogans in the first place (which, to my knowledge, hasn’t been confirmed). So much for the “world’s largest democracy.”Recommend

  • Malaika Harris

    To “protect the Kashmiri students” from what? I think the answer to that question speaks volumes about India’s political maturity.Recommend

  • Malaika Harris

    Your argument is completely flawed. Justifying the sedition charges against the cricket fans by comparing it to Pakistan’s terrible blasphemy laws only works if you then think that Pakistan’s blasphemy laws are okay. A terrible, lame, self-defeating excuse.Recommend

  • water bottle

    I don’t know why it is so difficult to understand a simple point.

    This has got nothing to do with freedom of speech. This is about doing something with the malicious intent of creating trouble.

    these Kashmiri students knew what they were doing. They were shouting Anti India slogans to disturb the peace in the college. They were deliberately creating trouble.

    They were sent home to protect them from the others who would have probably attacked them. Or perhaps they did attack them, in which case, I fully support action against the students who did so.

    The issue is neither of freedom of speech or democracy or secularism.

    You are questioning the comment of the Vice Chancellor. The fact that he is a Muslim is a poor defence, afterall India is secular. So, I don’t know what to say to that.Recommend

  • Malaika Harris

    Kashmiri separatism has nothing to do with the issue. No matter how much you try to complicate things, here is what happened: Kashmiri kids who cheered for Pakistan are facing sedition charges. That’s all that happened, and nothing changes that. If you think that is justified, just come out and say it, instead of mentioning “separatism” and the “security situation” and what not.Recommend

  • abhi

    Right on target, sane advice.Recommend

  • Malaika Harris

    People should be deported because of what they say? Again, you guys are proving that India can’t tolerate freedom of speech. It’s a self-defeating argument.Recommend

  • abhi

    a pakistani hindu supporting India would have been killed.Recommend

  • Malaika Harris

    So what if Pakistan does the same? That’s completely irrelevant and it doesn’t help your agument at all. You, as an Indian, are responsible for what happens in your own country. Anyway, this is a common tactic among blind nationalists from any country. It’s call “whataboutism,” where upon hearing something bad about their country, a nationalist would reply by saying “What about…,” followed by the naming of an event in an “enemy country” that loosely resembles the original item of criticism. Your comment is nothing new; it’s an old, boring, and morally disgraceful way of dealing with criticism.Recommend

  • Noman Ansari

    ahahahahahahahaha… he was kidding.Recommend

  • Faraz Talat

    I’ve responded to the ‘benevolent suspension’ argument in the blog.

    You don’t punish the victims of intolerance “for their own protection”. That’s like the Pakistani government banishing the Hindu minorities and saying that it’s just to keep them safe from targeted violence by the Taliban. It’s the lamest excuse imaginable.Recommend

  • jee non

    60000 people killed by terrorists no concern but 67 idiots ONLY SUSPENDED i repeat only suspended cryingRecommend

  • Jithin

    freedom of speech doesn’t give you the right to hurt the feeling’s of othersRecommend

  • Vineet Khanna

    Well, as an Indian, when I first heard the news, I too was amused…..I read today that they’re passing anti-sedition laws against the kids. This is just plain stupid. I completely agree with what you’ve said…..I didn’t know about the stabbing issue though. My understanding is that it’s a small town, private university which didn’t think that suspending students would cause such an international furore (even NYTimes has an article about it now)….It was just being provincial and narrow minded in it’s attitudes. Besides, unlike Western colleges, even top engineering colleges like IIT’s have some stupid rules like switching off internet past midnight. Recently a top 10-15 ranked engineering college (VIT) in the south passed a stupid rule which says that students shouldn’t hug/or have any physical contact of ANY sort with some one from the opposite sex. The temporary suspension, I understand, is only to quieten the issue (which of course, now will prove to be counter-intuitive) and take measures to protect the Kashmiri students (It’s not that rare to have gangs of hooligans in small town colleges to get into fights that end up injuring and killing people….It’s Uttar Pradhesh, for God’s sake, goonda raj at its best. It’s likely the police would’ve hurt the students more if they stayed there. Evidence is the slapping a case of sedition against the kids). The irony is that the students went to the uni on the PM’s scholarship that aimed to spread goodwill among Kashmiris :P. Goodwill ka toy ab aachar banega.Recommend

  • visteon_chennai

    u pakis are talking abt freedom of speech..
    do u have freedom? .donot talk abt anything that u donot praech youself..ur couuntry is dying.try to save it.forget abt india,kashmiris.Recommend

  • Ash

    Let us be clear on one thing. India is a pseudo democratic country,irrespective of what image they try to portray through doses of bollywood mixed with foreign office drama and let us not be fooled by the delicate decoration of a cake burnt from inside. No matter how you eat, it will taste bad.Recommend

  • Khaksar

    Guys. few things as an Indian myself.
    1. Sedition charge was too childish.
    2. Nobody knows what words were exchanged that day. So no high moral grounds pls. Anyone.
    3. Rooting for a club is fine. But a group of kashmiris, shouting slogans for pakistan in a highly charged indo pak match while in an Indian campus on Govt sponsored scholarships was bound to cause some problems.
    4. I do believe this could have been treated more maturely.
    5. Please no rohingya syndrome for this issue.

    Thanks,Recommend

  • Lets focus on what’s philosophically the right principle to support. Recommend

  • It won’t die if the Indian state does things like this. Pakistan only has to sit back and watch as Indian control over disenchanted and disenfranchised Kashmiris becomes increasingly untenable. There must be a reason why Kashmiris identify more with a troubled and unstable Pakistan than they do with a relatively more stable and prosperous India. But you are not interested in that! You are just interested in trolling and being hateful and unreasonable. Carry on, why don’t you.Recommend