24 absurd beliefs Pakistanis have

Published: December 26, 2014
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Once firmly established, a norm becomes a part of operational power structures and hence becomes difficult to change.

Norms are beliefs about how members of a group should behave in a particular context. They are informal and often ‘invisible’ understandings and rules that govern a group’s behaviour towards particular religious, social, cultural, political and socio-economic triggers.

Norms generally define what is acceptable in a society or group and are the building blocks for appropriate and inappropriate values, beliefs, attitudes, behaviours, ideologies and narratives.

These rules are generally implicit.

In addition to what is considered normative in societal, political or cultural context, there are smaller groups within a society which endorse a particular norm. On one hand, norms define how to move, what to wear, how to speak, what to discuss, what not to challenge and the likes, while on the other, they shape narratives that construct the social fabric and religio-political discourses. Quite often, these norms are reflected in laws but not always. I will try to short-list some bizarre norms and beliefs that are prevalent in our society today:

1. Attributing failures to fate, foreign hands or conspiracy

Jo karwaya, Amreeka ne karwaya

(Whatever happened, happened because America made it happen)

“This is a conspiracy to destabilise Pakistan…”

“Foreign hands were involved”

“Jewish conspiracy!”

Or simply

“It was fate.”

Instead of looking within ourselves for internal errors that led to our failures, we attribute failures to anything and everything other than that. This has become a norm for many individuals and groups. However, there is an interesting debate by Maulana Tariq Jameel, which counters this thought process, one I would suggest every one of us should listen to.

2. God will take care of this, Insha’Allah!

God will help, yes, but only if you are willing to help yourself as well. Apathy never goes rewarded anyway. This idea has become a convenient scapegoat for our leaders and people alike when one’s incapability to strive against an unwanted situation is tested.

3. The West versus Islam

Many modern extremist narratives are built from the idea that there is a constant war between the West and the forces of Islam. At a societal level, the general understanding is that westerners do not have ethical or moral values, and are baysharam (shameless) and bayghairat (without any integrity).

Just to get facts straight, Muslims are happier and more secure in Western countries than most of the minorities living in Pakistan – if I remember correctly, the million-march against the Iraq war took place in the United Kingdom, not Islamabad.

4. Let’s ask the religious scholar instead

Different matters related to the broad spectrum of human life, sciences and other knowledge-based fields are taken to mullahs or clerics, as if they have all the knowledge in the world and are the most potent problem solvers. They are human too; stop putting them on a pedestal.

I remember a few kids in my street who took the debate of whether a cricket ball should be polished from one side or not to the local mullah.

I mean, when did he become the Sultan of Swing?

5. Civilians are less patriotic

An idea that exists in a few military circles, and in some shades penetrates into mainstream society as well, is that men in uniform are more patriotic than civilians.

Who introduced this scale to determine ones patriotism anyway? This is absurd. The establishment driven narrative that politicians are all dirty gets endorsement from the same thought-process. I am no less patriotic than the men in green.

6. Homosexuality does not exist

The debate around homosexuality is virtually absent in Pakistan simply because, even though everyone knows it exists, it is silently shoved under the carpet. Saying it does not exist won’t change reality.

Assad Khan’s story is a testimony to that.

7. Shaadi karwadoo – sab maslay hal hojayein gey! 

(Get them married – all their problems will get solved)

Marriage is not the solution to every problem.

I have often heard that the solution to drug abuse, non-normal sexual orientations or other ills is marriage.

“Bacha heroin addict hai? Shaadi karwa dou, sab maslay hal hujaen gey.”

(The child is a heroin addict? Get him married, all problems will be solved.)

What?

How?

8. Secularism means Godlessness

This common notion in our society highlights that secularism means Godlessness. Those propagating these beliefs, for obvious political reasons, need rigorous lessons in political science.

Secularism means the right to be free from religious rulings of the state and the right to freedom from the government’s imposition of religion upon people within a country that is neutral on matters of belief. It essentially means a religiously neutral country, not Godlessness.

9. It’s always the woman’s fault

Whether she is seen smiling on the streets or just got out of a relationship that did not end well, it is always the girl’s fault.

“Why is she wearing such clothes? Is she asking for it?”

“Why did she smile? That must mean a yes!”

Should a woman always wear an angry look on her face while walking on the streets? Is she not virtuous otherwise?

‘He raped her, she probably asked for it.’

‘They broke up? She was probably cheating.’

‘They got divorced? She didn’t compromise enough.’

How can this logic be right?

10. No power on earth can undo Pakistan

Well, this narrative should have drowned in the Bay of Bengal in 1971 but it still manages to stir hyper (blind) nationalists to the core.

The Two Nation’s Theory (which was a political agreement, not a divine revelation) has also been challenged by scholars but certain circles label these intellectuals to be traitors, just because people are blinded by a false sense of nationalism.

11. Sharing food with non-Muslims

This is one of the most shameful norms I have noticed. Many families do not share food or crockery with non-Muslim domestic staff. Lots of research needs to be done about how it became a norm even though there seem to be no Islamic rulings preventing a Muslim from sharing food or utensils with non-Muslims that I have come across.

13. A veil is a symbol of modesty

To some, wearing a veil automatically makes a person more modest and pious than others. It is like a sign-board, shouting out to society that those who are veiled are modest and those who aren’t are not.

When did modesty become solely about what you wear?

15. Modernism is taking off ones clothes

In the same way, being ‘modern’ is also gauged on an illogical scale.

Baray modern ho gai ho!

(You’ve become so modern!)

This phrase is usually used to denote wearing ‘less’ or more revealing clothes. Modernism is completely misunderstood here. It means a different set of ideas, introspective values and tools for social progression but in Pakistan, it symbolises shamelessness.

This norm was first propagated by caretakers of religion, who did not want a modern, forward thinking approach in the country, and soon enough, the masses followed suit.

16. Liberalism means partying

Political liberalism is equated with life-style liberalism, which is not the case. The ‘liberal-secular’ is a metaphor used by right wing parties and writers with a negative connotation, to mark someone as having no values. It is part of the larger discourse that utilises these norms in the society and sees liberalism as a threat.

17. You love someone? Moun kala karwa diya 

(You have disgraced the family)

If you finally gather the guts to tell your elders about your love-life, the usual response is that you have brought shame to the family. This is a sad norm that needs to be addressed by parents. Love happens and it’s very natural. Dear Parents, I suggest you accept it and understand it – snubbing it will not stop it from happening.

18. It’s okay to bribe, sometimes…

Many of us have come across religious, pious people giving the explanation that,

“It’s okay to bribe someone, if it gets the work done.”

Hypocrisy knows no bounds when religious people indulge in an evil practice which they themselves preach against in public gatherings.

19. Your elders are always right!

Common sense would suggest that they might be right sometimes, maybe even most of the times, but not always. There are many things and new trends which they do not know about. How can they be in any position to give a verdict on such novelties, let alone be right?

20. Pakistan Ka Matlab Kya? La Ilaha Illallah

Whether this slogan was denounced by the founder of Pakistan or not is a different debate, but it darkens the white portion of our flag. We need to be more sensitive to the non-Muslim minority of Pakistan.

And on a logical basis, intellect also begs to inquire how a country’s name can mean ‘there is no God but Allah’.

21. Extremism is because of drones

Narratives around extremism have greatly been influenced by right-leaning forces, equating extremism with drones, ignoring the thousands of deaths of minority sects who were not responsible for drones by any stretch of the imagination. History is full of extremism leading to violence before 9/11 and the drones-saga. Home-grown extremist movements get a clean slate as a result of this propagation. Extremism has dented the basic social fabric of our society, leaving behind human and financial losses. We vehemently need to challenge such narratives that seek patronage from the society.

22. Internet equates to porn

As the Internet expands into rural areas and lower-middle classes, this norm is usually used by elders to prevent youngsters from using the Internet.  Yes, the Internet does give access to porn, but that is not all that it does. It is a medium to be used as the user deems fit. Many schools and colleges ban internet usage for students on the same pretext, preventing them from accessing an endless source of knowledge.

23. Arts? A futile pursuit

Artistes are change-makers in any society; they evoke new ideas through different art-forms and enable a society’s progress. The downfall of art as a whole in Pakistan has a lot to do with this norm, injected into individuals by the society from a very early age.

24. We live in sectarian harmony

I grew up in 12 cities of Pakistan and my name instigated the following questions from my class fellows,

“Do you mix blood with rice?”

“Do you turn off lights on Shaam-e-Ghareeban for sexual pleasures?”

“Do you spit in tea before serving?”

And so on and so forth.

I am sure such sectarian hatred exists in all sects, with every sect claiming to possess the absolute truth and the rest are simply kafirs, mushriks (infidels). We live in a very sectarian minded society, from politics to cultural acceptance. Although I realise this is a way to make sure the other sect looks unappealing to the listener, a lot needs to be done to challenge the absurd myths people may make up about sects other than their own.

Once firmly established, a norm becomes a part of operational power structures and hence, becomes difficult to change.

Our society is rife with absurd norms, such as these, that halt intellectual and collective progress. While all groups within Pakistan do not endorse these norms, the conversation to challenge them has to start from us. NOW.

Syed Ali Abbas Zaidi

Syed Ali Abbas Zaidi

Syed Ali Abbas Zaidi is the founder of Pakistan Youth Alliance, CEC at Khudi Pakistan. He tweets as: @ali_abbas_zaidi

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Ash

    The top one is missing: pakistan Islam ka qila hai!!!Recommend

  • marik

    Movies and music are art. DuhRecommend

  • marik

    Khojas and Memons are Gujrati and pretty ok with it. Bohris on the other hand are yemeni arab settlers of the Ismaili sect. Genetic studies prove it. They’re the ONLY pure arab muslims in India.Recommend

  • Milind A

    Well many Hindus themselves rubbished some of these… And yes, none of them were killed for blasphemy nor were there any big riots for challenging Hindu scriptures…Recommend

  • Milind A

    Or Prophet ascending to heaven…Recommend

  • Gratgy

    Where is Abdul Qadeer Khan from?or for that matter Musharraf? Recommend

  • Gratgy

    Nandita, how many people in India are arrested or penalized for being homosexual? The Supreme court of India cannot make new laws, it just gives judgement based on the current laws. The power to change laws is with the legislature.
    The supreme court said as per the current laws homosexuality is criminal. if it has to be changed then it has to be done by the legislature and not the courts.Recommend

  • Gratgy

    Nandita, how many people in India are arrested or penalized for being homosexual? The Supreme court of India cannot make new laws, it just gives judgement based on the current laws. The power to change laws is with the legislature.
    The supreme court said as per the current laws homosexuality is criminal. if it has to be changed then it has to be done by the legislature and not the courts.Recommend

  • Gratgy

    WB means that The “Existence” of homosexuality is accepted in india. No one says that there are no homosexuals in India
    Nandita means that The society “does not accept” homosexuality to be normal behaviour
    Both statements are correctRecommend

  • wb

    LOL.

    If made some serious effort, you might even get published.

    Also, join PTI, they need innovative narabazi.Recommend

  • Nandita

    Is that so? I didn’t know.Thankyou for enlightening me!Recommend

  • Nandita.

    Bottom line is this:
    Being a homosexual is a crime in India.Recommend

  • SD

    OMG ! Pakistanis still believe that they won in 1965 !!!??Recommend

  • Nandita.

    What you are saying is true. The bottom line is being a homosexual is a crime.
    The Lgbt community is discrimated against. Isn’t that bad enough? Just because they are not arrested it doesn’t mean they have the freedom to be themselvesRecommend

  • Nandita.

    Umm, I can’t handle arguments with 4 or5 people at one time .So, Alvida.See you on another blog maybe. Recommend

  • Nandita.

    Hmm.
    No googling for me.
    On your advice, I am going back to school to
    1. Improve my vocabulary.
    2. Get rid of my mullah mentality.
    Wish me luck!Recommend

  • Nandita.

    I definitely think society does not accept homosexuality. But I also know that there are people who deny its existence in India. Recommend

  • wb

    Good luck!

    Also only you can google for yourself, I can’t. Is there a school on googling?Recommend

  • loyalindian

    “We’re a billion point two country and a vast majority have accepted homosexuality .”

    I am afraid but I think you are quite alone in that belief. The overall beliefs and perception of people do not match what you claim to be true. Sorry nobody gonna buy what you say. Not even Indians.Recommend

  • loyalindian

    Who will determine what is the number of such people? It is a useless debate. In this way there are several people like the author and several commenters here who hold different beliefs from what is perceived about Pakistanis.Recommend

  • loyalindian

    Successfully defended against several times larger country. Yes. Won it.Recommend

  • loyalindian

    Seriously? Homeland 4?Recommend

  • Hamza

    Ha! you Indian’s criticize Pak so much, yet can’t stand a bit of well deserved criticism yourself…Reminds me of an article Faraz wrote about Indian hypocrites.Recommend

  • Gilani

    What you say is true but unfortunately many people both Muslims and non-Muslims alike don’t consider God and Allah equal terms. Recently a Malaysian court banned Christians from using the word Allah in certain publications which is absurd because Christians in Egypt and Malta use Allah when referring to God and have no other word for it.Recommend

  • Hameedullah

    We didn’t win 1965! And Pakistan not made in the name of Islam, it was made for muslims (huge difference). And the slogan “Pakistan ka matlab kiya…..” was shot down by Jinnah himself. So what kind of world are you living in???Recommend

  • Mehdi

    Well also if you read numerous literature in security policy journal, they talk about this duplicity. The show gives a more real perspective on this.Recommend

  • Gp65

    Buddy younger Indians have not even heard the term shudras. These people are ow called scheduled castes and have afirmaive action that gives them reservations in subsidised professional education, overnment jobs and government promotions.Recommend

  • Gp65

    Buddy Pakistan started 1965 war. So question of defending itself successfully does not arise. Your war heroes Asghar Khan and Nur Khan have both admitted that 1965 was started by Pakistan.Recommend

  • Ahmiq

    That is a very lame series. I watched all 3 and on one episode i just stopped watching. Totally crapRecommend

  • LS

    Understand the meaning of Racist first. White folks Looking Down on Black folks is Racism, but Brahmin looking down on Shudras is NOT Racism, because they both belong to same race. It’s called discrimination.
    I thought Muslims did not have caste system, but looks like there is some sort of caste system in Muslims too.. Syed, Quereshi, Pathan etc are considered better than rest of the folksRecommend

  • LS

    But you don’t… Isn’t that is what he mentioned? Selectively sharing it with Christians and Jews (People of the Book) does not make things better.Recommend

  • thriftysmurf

    Punjabis have as much in common with Gujaratis as Kashmiris have with Srilankans, the mother tongue of “MOST” Pakistanis isn’t urdu but Punjabi, pashtu, dari etc . The urdu speaking people are mainly concentrated in Karachi, known as mohajir (migrant) and in no way do they represent the majority of Pakistan..none of the Pakistanis I know want to have anything to do with people from Gujarat, UP/ MP, Maharastra and what constitutes most of India, nor do we find them attractive. Pakistanis get along fine with Indian Punjabis as we can relate with them fine. Stop forcing yourself onto Pakistanis, live your own life and leave them alone.Recommend

  • siesmann

    Well,Indians will appreciate that.Recommend

  • siesmann

    Would you take the responsibility of protecting him then?Recommend

  • ali

    we have only two options. either to open our eyes and start living in real world and looking forward OR keep on closing our eyes and minds and worship the past. No middle way. we have to chose between blindness and vision, between darkness and light, between fake and real, between education and ignorance, between sense and non sense. wake up people wake up. its 21st century.Recommend

  • Hameedullah

    “#11 Not sharing food with ‘non-Muslims’ has nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with the caste system our ancestors…… ” well the article does say absurd beliefs “Pakistanis” have.Recommend

  • Faisal

    I agree on all points except these two…
    2. God will take care of this, Insha’Allah!
    … It is true as God takes care in all matters whether I willing to help myself or not.
    20. Pakistan Ka Matlab Kya? La Ilaha Illallah
    … It is true as Quaid created Islamic Secular state. Secularism is also present in Holy Quran. Problem is only for those people who don’t know Quran and who don’t know what is Secularism. Pakistan was secular till 1974 and there was no sectarian fight between people of Pakistan before 1974.Recommend

  • Gratgy

    I am not arguing with you, anyways Alvida. Best of luck in your arguments with the other threeRecommend

  • Gratgy

    Sigh!!!Recommend

  • Gratgy

    Ironic, Radicals should actually accept homosexuality. Shikhandin, Brihanallah were eunuchs. There are other subtle references to homosexuality in the Mahabharata.

    Some radicals have mixed up religion with cultural traditions. A lot of the tradition in India is inspired by Islam especially in North India. Maybe religion in india is going the Abrahamic religion wayRecommend

  • Nandita.

    And there are those who think that homosexuality is a choice.(it’s hilarious listening to these guys)
    I know people personally who actually believe this and believe that homosexuality is a western “fad”. It takes all kinds to make the world. (In this case: country.)Recommend

  • Nandita.

    :D

    I QUIT arguing with them. Baat khatam! What a Relief.
    Recommend

  • Milind A

    You probably didn’t get it…. When wb says Indians have accepted homosexuality, he means none of the Indians vouch for blood of homosexuals asking them to be stoned to death as in the Islamic world.
    Ok quite a few Indians may have disgust towards homosexuality, just like most of the ‘straight’ folks in the Western world have towards homosexuals in their countries, leading to dislike or ‘unacceptability’ towards them..Recommend

  • Anonymous Prashant

    Well, I don’t want 2 mix religion here, as every religion is open 2 interpretion nd same thing can carry different meaning fr different people. Bt still I would agree wid u tht it is rather an irony, tht d hardliners frm d same religion in which homosexuality ( fr example- Shikhandi in Mahabharat) or sex ( Kamasutra fr example) have been long embraced nd was accepted in past, found it hard 2 accept in modern times.Recommend

  • loyalindian

    First of all thats a new meaning of the word accepted. Its news to me. And yes lets not go on the number. No one can determine that its quite a few or an overwhelming majority.

    Secondly those who vouch for blood of homosexuals in the Islamic world are not doing it legally (no country allows a mob of people to kill a homosexual). Thirdly people who carry out killing acts have ulterior motives. Several of those killing could be homosexuals themselves but they just kill because it helps to get them that property, money or asset they want. That in itself does not qualify homosexuality as unacceptable (according to your definition).

    Thus this brings us back to the question what is exactly acceptance of homosexuality. Its tolerance or its prevalence as a normal social norm. I doubt we can categorize a subject which is even taboo to talk about in India as acceptable.Recommend

  • Navaro

    Reminds me when I was staying with a group of pakistani students, most were ok except 2.

    They were always stealing my food from the main fridge, and I confronted them many times, they only laugh it off and ask me to take it easy, share and all.

    One time I confronted them again, I ask them why they steal…one said something along the line as long as it’s halal, it’s ok. Then I informed them it’s not actually halaal.. You should have seen their face.. like genuinely worried.. as if it was poison.

    One of the guys even came back to my room to ask where i buy my supplies and takesaways.. he actually went to check if they sold halaal or not.

    It was chinese fried rice and noodles mainly from my fav chinese place, the guy fresh off the boat didn’t even speak english….

    I didn’t have the heart to tell them not only it wasn’t halaal… it might have shared the same wok as other very haram items..Recommend

  • Mir

    I agree. Why are a lot of Indians obsessed with lumping us in with them? Punjabis aren’t the same as about 95% of Indians, and Pashtuns and Baloch have NOTHING to do with India at all.Recommend

  • Tahir

    Immaturity overflows from this article …writer is visibly frustrated over social issues but unable to support his argumebts with logics and historical events …. Grow up Assad and its a shear wastage of time to read such articles….simply distasteful Recommend

  • Mir

    Wrong. More than 30% of Pakistanis are Pashtun and Baloch, who are an Eastern Iranian ethnic group, NOT Indian. But yes, the other 70% or so are essentially North Indians.Recommend

  • Sridhar Kaushik

    @ vinsin
    (Museums have nothing to do with art, main purpose has to do upkeep the historical art.)
    Not true.
    Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines museum as “a building in which interesting and valuable things (such as paintings
    and sculptures or scientific or historical objects) are collected and shown to the public”
    So, you can have a museum of Art, Natural History, Science, Heritage etc etc.

    New York city, where I lived for 4 years in the 90s, has many museums and is home to one of the world’s largest Art museum (“The Metropolitan Museum of Art” at Manhattan, New York.
    Museums in India are puny in comparison.Recommend

  • Gratgy

    By religion mean we as a country have always celebrated diversity, hence I find it funny when radicals protests against homosexuality. The radicals in India are just copying Abrahamic radicalsRecommend

  • Gunjan Dua

    So true and deep. Muslims should stop fighting for religion and condemning others. They laugh at Hindus for having a crore Gods… yes that is weird but are we propagating this? We are chilling in our houses. Rather, firangs are now taking up Yoga and Ayurveda from us… even Pakis are doing that. For goodness to prevail, you don’t have to become hell bent. It prevails on its own. Muslims have made a tamasha out of Islam which otherwise is a beautiful religion.Recommend

  • Gunjan Dua

    Completely. There are better nations than India and Pakistan that should be the benchmark. However i agree, it is fun to see for a student in class if he manages to beat the most dull student. BECAUSE India and Pakistan can’t get over each other whether it is politics, cricket or anything else… none of us is doing better.Recommend

  • Anonymous Prashant

    Well, yes, it is really interesting to note here tht extremist frm both sides of border though oppose each other, bt yet both r quite similar to each other!!!!!!!Recommend

  • vinsin

    You have not read right, I said Museums have to do with upkeep of historical art and that is not what author has referred.Recommend

  • vinsin

    Visited all of them in London, where else do you want me to go? Are you providing tickets and accommodation also?Recommend

  • vinsin

    What is your nationality? Explain your definition of art.Recommend

  • vinsin

    What was the criticism here?
    Indians do criticize Pakistan too much agree but that has to do Pakistan continuously trying to compete with India.
    I am not sure whether Indian are hypocrite or not but surely they don”t own up their mistake.Recommend

  • mazharuddin

    he will be bombed for thatRecommend

  • mazharuddin

    ha ha!Recommend

  • Nandita.

    And yet you seem to have learnt nothing! Pity!
    It takes considerable knowledge to realise the extent of your own ignorance. Your level of knowledge , unfortunately, is inadequate. All the free holidays in the world will not help you.Recommend

  • Syed Ali Abbas Zaidi

    thank you for the positive and critical comments – the piece was meant to point out how certain beliefs (absurd or not) creep into the socio-religious political and cultural structures. They effect the narratives on a broad scale. Maybe, we need to start small and challenge things that seem stupid on the face rather than challenging the broader narrative that stems from them.Recommend

  • Abdullah

    You yourself are unfamiliar of secularism.

    Look what wiki says:
    “In political terms, secularism is a movement towards the separation of religion and government (often termed the separation of church and state). This can refer to reducing ties between a government and a state religion, replacing laws based on scripture (such as the Torah and Sharia law) with civil laws, and eliminating discrimination on the basis of religion.”
    Now see what oxford dictionary says about secularism:
    “not religious, sacred or spiritual”

    Those who are the creators and enforcers of secularism are defining it like that and you are saying that secularism is in Quran?
    Your statement “ISLAMIC SECULAR STATE” is self contradictory, it can either be Islamic or secular not both.Recommend

  • Ahsan

    That was a dumb read really, i rarely say that but its a forced article.Recommend

  • Asad

    I hope not putting Saudi Arabia there was an honest mistake, because most Muslim minorities there are living in worst conditions.Recommend

  • Gratgy

    yeah he might get published in one of the Pakistani textbooks for nursery childrenRecommend

  • Gratgy

    Copied this from your textbooks didn’t you? lol!Recommend

  • Khalid M Bhatti

    Do you have any resolution to problem? It is easy to reckon or enlist problem? Your statement lack substance, but you succeeded to gather supports from those, who are bent to defame Islam and Pakistan.Recommend

  • Amna

    Yes, it was started to free the occupied Kashmir, but Pakistan Army defended the country when Indian army tried to capture Lahore, Sialkot etcRecommend

  • Doink

    You forgot No. 25. People have an inferiority complex.
    Everything they see wrong around them, they attribute it to being Pakistani, and they think the west is a fantasy land. This leads to overcompensation by some people who go out of their way to put Pakistan down and say things that they think makes them seem in step with westerners. This makes them feel less Pakistani and more western.Recommend

  • MZ

    Muslims are happy in Saudia, UAE, Oman… I was born in Saudia Arabia and did my schooling there I was happy there! I had sense of security and my dad could feed a family of 7 with an average salary Alhamdulillah!
    The only trouble there were the Pakistanis who instead of living as a community & supporting each other, used to pull each others legs. I can say this with certainty, my dad went there in King Faisal’s time they used to praise the Paki’s but in a matter of 30 years we midleaded them & broke their trust repeatedly, now we are being humiliated & always seen as a doubtful mischeavious person.Recommend

  • Umair Mateen Khan

    I respect your thoughts brother.
    I don’t agree when you say “Pakistan Ka Matlab Kya? La Ilaha Illallah” darkens the white portion of our flag. Well that is is perception. Muslims are suffering in Pakistan as well. Do you know in a genuine Muslim society, non-Muslims have equal rights as Muslims. They can do their prayers and other religious activities freely. The problem is not the “Pakistan Ka Matlab Kya? La Ilaha Illallah”, instead the problem is that we have left Quran and Sunnah. Problem is that we have make Mullahs responsible for our religion. Ever wonder during the Golden age of Muslims civilization scientist and researchers used to take benefit from this book. It is our responsibility to understand Quran and educate other people as well. We are not doing this so as a result neither Muslims nor non-Muslims are safe in Pakistan.
    Cheers,Recommend

  • vinsin

    What ignorance do I have and what do you want me to learn? What obsession do you have with museums? Is the article is about museums? What kind of help did I ask for? Which art form does museum represents?Recommend

  • Nishit

    Qaid e Azam was a Gujrati muslim…Recommend

  • Proud_Kashmiri

    Muhammad Ali Jinnah was a khoja muslim and he felt out of place in India, thus the struggle for a different country. Don’t use his name to lump us together with you Indians. There are Gujaratis in Pakistan, there are also people from other states of India, but accept this fact; “they don’t even make up 2% of Pakistan.” Get with the program and leave Pakistanis alone, we are fed up of your pest like behavior.Recommend

  • Ali

    New way to get famous in Pakistan is to become a self style liberal who just bashes Pakistan and anything Pakistani.

    Even though thousands of evidence, proofs etc come out in support of this argument that what USA has been doing all over the world its useless to discuss in front of a liberal Pakistani. Because it turns out Edward Snowden is also a Pakistani. He also believes and has given undeniable evidence that America is doing all this. But I salute Pakistani Media & Pakistani Nation specially liberals who have a short memory.Recommend

  • Khawaja Haris

    Muslims are 1.57 billion approx (wikipedia) in the world…almost 23%

    formation of all groups are the result of resistance against the invasions in their land

    all type of bombing invention clearly shows they cant defend with big armies so thy opt such tactics

    Peaceful Nation…lets draw a comparison

    World:

    WW1, WW2, Crusades, invasion in all part of world by Britain, Spain, France in asia, africa, arab,china etc,

    Muslim countries invaded and occupied by Westerners since 1798: what is now Bangladesh (Britain); Egypt (France), much of Indonesia (Dutch); Algeria (France); Senegal, Mali, Niger, Chad (France); Moroccan Sahara, Ceuta (Spain); what is now Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan (Russia); Tunisia (France); Egypt, Sudan (Britain); Morocco (France); Libya (Italy); Palestine and Iraq (Britain); Syria and what is now Lebanon (France); Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain (Britain); Iran (Britain, US, Soviet Union during WW II); Iraq (US 2003-2011)

    What Israel did in Gaza Your were also standing in their support with candles

    Muslim burnt alive in Burma in large numbers

    Gujrat attacks killing thousands of Muslim in India by Modi

    It cost million of Muslims live who has nothing to do with your nations but their only mistake was they came in the way of greed!

    For your convenience

    -(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653497/British-have-invaded-nine-out-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-Luxembourg.html)

    -(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations)

    Hope that will be helpful to understand why these groups are formed.

    it was not them who want to occupy and cease your freedom its you invade their land for occupy their resources, kill their men, rape their women, make their children orphan.

    Beside all that crap world did in their countries they are peaceful in their lands and they are playing their role for their welfare(just recall any muslim live near by your home or work in your office)

    how many times they confront with you without any reason V/S how many times your society harass them for being Muslim by pin pointing their life style which has nothing to do with you!

    Moreover these groups are hardly less than 0.5% of total Muslim population who are resisting and media label them as 99.5% doing so.

    Understand!

    Sources:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653497/British-have-invaded-nine-out-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-Luxembourg.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

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  • Khawaja Haris

    Muslims are 1.57 billion approx (wikipedia) in the world…almost 23%

    formation of all groups are the result of resistance against the invasions in their land

    all type of bombing invention clearly shows they cant defend with big armies so thy opt such tactics

    Peaceful Nation…lets draw a comparison

    World:

    WW1, WW2, Crusades, invasion in all part of world by Britain, Spain, France in asia, africa, arab,china etc,

    Muslim countries invaded and occupied by Westerners since 1798: what is now Bangladesh (Britain); Egypt (France), much of Indonesia (Dutch); Algeria (France); Senegal, Mali, Niger, Chad (France); Moroccan Sahara, Ceuta (Spain); what is now Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan (Russia); Tunisia (France); Egypt, Sudan (Britain); Morocco (France); Libya (Italy); Palestine and Iraq (Britain); Syria and what is now Lebanon (France); Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain (Britain); Iran (Britain, US, Soviet Union during WW II); Iraq (US 2003-2011)

    What Israel did in Gaza Your were also standing in their support with candles

    Muslim burnt alive in Burma in large numbers

    Gujrat attacks killing thousands of Muslim in India by Modi

    It cost million of Muslims live who has nothing to do with your nations but their only mistake was they came in the way of greed!

    For your convenience

    -(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653497/British-have-invaded-nine-out-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-Luxembourg.html)

    -(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations)

    Hope that will be helpful to understand why these groups are formed.

    it was not them who want to occupy and cease your freedom its you invade their land for occupy their resources, kill their men, rape their women, make their children orphan.

    Beside all that crap world did in their countries they are peaceful in their lands and they are playing their role for their welfare(just recall any muslim live near by your home or work in your office)

    how many times they confront with you without any reason V/S how many times your society harass them for being Muslim by pin pointing their life style which has nothing to do with you!

    Moreover these groups are hardly less than 0.5% of total Muslim population who are resisting and media label them as 99.5% doing so.

    Understand!

    Sources:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653497/British-have-invaded-nine-out-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-Luxembourg.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

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  • Vilander

    so no one from guj,South or north india etc etc went to Pakistan, so people in pakistan just came to be from no where, they were never part of India never Hindus in the past..Recommend

  • thriftysmurf

    80% of Pakistanis can only relate with Punjabis and Kashmiris from India.. Answer this question:..If you are Gujarati, can you relate with Sirlankans or South Indians? and if you are Srilankan, can you relate with Gujaratis? The answer is NO. Similiarly Pakistanis cannot relate with 95% of Indians, we can’t relate with you (except Punjabis). Stop forcing yourself onto us.Recommend

  • Syed Kamal

    You missed several big one,
    WEST IS SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE THEY FOLLOW OUR / ISLAMIC TEACHINGS. No they are successful because they have followed their own logic not some divine intervention.
    THE PROGRESS AND PROSPERITY OF THE WEST IS RECENT: No they rejected what you are still following 500 years ago. Western philosophy has been a work in progress for the last 2000 years or more.
    WESTERN TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATIONS ARE GREAT BUT HAVE THE LOCK ON MORAL SUPERIORITY. Non-sense, they treat their animals than we treat human beings, and they have more consideration for each other than we have for any of our obligations.
    OUR CULTURE IS BETTER WAY BETTER THAN WESTERN CULTURE: Culture is defined as a way of doing things in a community. Culture can not be compared except what consequences the culture produces.
    WE HAVE BECOME PRETTY MODERN WE HAVE ALL OF SOFTWARE AND MACHINES AVAILABLE IN THE WEST: Yes you do because it is easy to buy things like planes and trains and so on, but hard to learn and adopt their philosophy and way of thinking.Recommend

  • s

    This has to be the most ridiculous article Ive ever read!
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