24 absurd beliefs Pakistanis have

Published: December 26, 2014
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Once firmly established, a norm becomes a part of operational power structures and hence becomes difficult to change.

Norms are beliefs about how members of a group should behave in a particular context. They are informal and often ‘invisible’ understandings and rules that govern a group’s behaviour towards particular religious, social, cultural, political and socio-economic triggers.

Norms generally define what is acceptable in a society or group and are the building blocks for appropriate and inappropriate values, beliefs, attitudes, behaviours, ideologies and narratives.

These rules are generally implicit.

In addition to what is considered normative in societal, political or cultural context, there are smaller groups within a society which endorse a particular norm. On one hand, norms define how to move, what to wear, how to speak, what to discuss, what not to challenge and the likes, while on the other, they shape narratives that construct the social fabric and religio-political discourses. Quite often, these norms are reflected in laws but not always. I will try to short-list some bizarre norms and beliefs that are prevalent in our society today:

1. Attributing failures to fate, foreign hands or conspiracy

Jo karwaya, Amreeka ne karwaya

(Whatever happened, happened because America made it happen)

“This is a conspiracy to destabilise Pakistan…”

“Foreign hands were involved”

“Jewish conspiracy!”

Or simply

“It was fate.”

Instead of looking within ourselves for internal errors that led to our failures, we attribute failures to anything and everything other than that. This has become a norm for many individuals and groups. However, there is an interesting debate by Maulana Tariq Jameel, which counters this thought process, one I would suggest every one of us should listen to.

2. God will take care of this, Insha’Allah!

God will help, yes, but only if you are willing to help yourself as well. Apathy never goes rewarded anyway. This idea has become a convenient scapegoat for our leaders and people alike when one’s incapability to strive against an unwanted situation is tested.

3. The West versus Islam

Many modern extremist narratives are built from the idea that there is a constant war between the West and the forces of Islam. At a societal level, the general understanding is that westerners do not have ethical or moral values, and are baysharam (shameless) and bayghairat (without any integrity).

Just to get facts straight, Muslims are happier and more secure in Western countries than most of the minorities living in Pakistan – if I remember correctly, the million-march against the Iraq war took place in the United Kingdom, not Islamabad.

4. Let’s ask the religious scholar instead

Different matters related to the broad spectrum of human life, sciences and other knowledge-based fields are taken to mullahs or clerics, as if they have all the knowledge in the world and are the most potent problem solvers. They are human too; stop putting them on a pedestal.

I remember a few kids in my street who took the debate of whether a cricket ball should be polished from one side or not to the local mullah.

I mean, when did he become the Sultan of Swing?

5. Civilians are less patriotic

An idea that exists in a few military circles, and in some shades penetrates into mainstream society as well, is that men in uniform are more patriotic than civilians.

Who introduced this scale to determine ones patriotism anyway? This is absurd. The establishment driven narrative that politicians are all dirty gets endorsement from the same thought-process. I am no less patriotic than the men in green.

6. Homosexuality does not exist

The debate around homosexuality is virtually absent in Pakistan simply because, even though everyone knows it exists, it is silently shoved under the carpet. Saying it does not exist won’t change reality.

Assad Khan’s story is a testimony to that.

7. Shaadi karwadoo – sab maslay hal hojayein gey! 

(Get them married – all their problems will get solved)

Marriage is not the solution to every problem.

I have often heard that the solution to drug abuse, non-normal sexual orientations or other ills is marriage.

“Bacha heroin addict hai? Shaadi karwa dou, sab maslay hal hujaen gey.”

(The child is a heroin addict? Get him married, all problems will be solved.)

What?

How?

8. Secularism means Godlessness

This common notion in our society highlights that secularism means Godlessness. Those propagating these beliefs, for obvious political reasons, need rigorous lessons in political science.

Secularism means the right to be free from religious rulings of the state and the right to freedom from the government’s imposition of religion upon people within a country that is neutral on matters of belief. It essentially means a religiously neutral country, not Godlessness.

9. It’s always the woman’s fault

Whether she is seen smiling on the streets or just got out of a relationship that did not end well, it is always the girl’s fault.

“Why is she wearing such clothes? Is she asking for it?”

“Why did she smile? That must mean a yes!”

Should a woman always wear an angry look on her face while walking on the streets? Is she not virtuous otherwise?

‘He raped her, she probably asked for it.’

‘They broke up? She was probably cheating.’

‘They got divorced? She didn’t compromise enough.’

How can this logic be right?

10. No power on earth can undo Pakistan

Well, this narrative should have drowned in the Bay of Bengal in 1971 but it still manages to stir hyper (blind) nationalists to the core.

The Two Nation’s Theory (which was a political agreement, not a divine revelation) has also been challenged by scholars but certain circles label these intellectuals to be traitors, just because people are blinded by a false sense of nationalism.

11. Sharing food with non-Muslims

This is one of the most shameful norms I have noticed. Many families do not share food or crockery with non-Muslim domestic staff. Lots of research needs to be done about how it became a norm even though there seem to be no Islamic rulings preventing a Muslim from sharing food or utensils with non-Muslims that I have come across.

13. A veil is a symbol of modesty

To some, wearing a veil automatically makes a person more modest and pious than others. It is like a sign-board, shouting out to society that those who are veiled are modest and those who aren’t are not.

When did modesty become solely about what you wear?

15. Modernism is taking off ones clothes

In the same way, being ‘modern’ is also gauged on an illogical scale.

Baray modern ho gai ho!

(You’ve become so modern!)

This phrase is usually used to denote wearing ‘less’ or more revealing clothes. Modernism is completely misunderstood here. It means a different set of ideas, introspective values and tools for social progression but in Pakistan, it symbolises shamelessness.

This norm was first propagated by caretakers of religion, who did not want a modern, forward thinking approach in the country, and soon enough, the masses followed suit.

16. Liberalism means partying

Political liberalism is equated with life-style liberalism, which is not the case. The ‘liberal-secular’ is a metaphor used by right wing parties and writers with a negative connotation, to mark someone as having no values. It is part of the larger discourse that utilises these norms in the society and sees liberalism as a threat.

17. You love someone? Moun kala karwa diya 

(You have disgraced the family)

If you finally gather the guts to tell your elders about your love-life, the usual response is that you have brought shame to the family. This is a sad norm that needs to be addressed by parents. Love happens and it’s very natural. Dear Parents, I suggest you accept it and understand it – snubbing it will not stop it from happening.

18. It’s okay to bribe, sometimes…

Many of us have come across religious, pious people giving the explanation that,

“It’s okay to bribe someone, if it gets the work done.”

Hypocrisy knows no bounds when religious people indulge in an evil practice which they themselves preach against in public gatherings.

19. Your elders are always right!

Common sense would suggest that they might be right sometimes, maybe even most of the times, but not always. There are many things and new trends which they do not know about. How can they be in any position to give a verdict on such novelties, let alone be right?

20. Pakistan Ka Matlab Kya? La Ilaha Illallah

Whether this slogan was denounced by the founder of Pakistan or not is a different debate, but it darkens the white portion of our flag. We need to be more sensitive to the non-Muslim minority of Pakistan.

And on a logical basis, intellect also begs to inquire how a country’s name can mean ‘there is no God but Allah’.

21. Extremism is because of drones

Narratives around extremism have greatly been influenced by right-leaning forces, equating extremism with drones, ignoring the thousands of deaths of minority sects who were not responsible for drones by any stretch of the imagination. History is full of extremism leading to violence before 9/11 and the drones-saga. Home-grown extremist movements get a clean slate as a result of this propagation. Extremism has dented the basic social fabric of our society, leaving behind human and financial losses. We vehemently need to challenge such narratives that seek patronage from the society.

22. Internet equates to porn

As the Internet expands into rural areas and lower-middle classes, this norm is usually used by elders to prevent youngsters from using the Internet.  Yes, the Internet does give access to porn, but that is not all that it does. It is a medium to be used as the user deems fit. Many schools and colleges ban internet usage for students on the same pretext, preventing them from accessing an endless source of knowledge.

23. Arts? A futile pursuit

Artistes are change-makers in any society; they evoke new ideas through different art-forms and enable a society’s progress. The downfall of art as a whole in Pakistan has a lot to do with this norm, injected into individuals by the society from a very early age.

24. We live in sectarian harmony

I grew up in 12 cities of Pakistan and my name instigated the following questions from my class fellows,

“Do you mix blood with rice?”

“Do you turn off lights on Shaam-e-Ghareeban for sexual pleasures?”

“Do you spit in tea before serving?”

And so on and so forth.

I am sure such sectarian hatred exists in all sects, with every sect claiming to possess the absolute truth and the rest are simply kafirs, mushriks (infidels). We live in a very sectarian minded society, from politics to cultural acceptance. Although I realise this is a way to make sure the other sect looks unappealing to the listener, a lot needs to be done to challenge the absurd myths people may make up about sects other than their own.

Once firmly established, a norm becomes a part of operational power structures and hence, becomes difficult to change.

Our society is rife with absurd norms, such as these, that halt intellectual and collective progress. While all groups within Pakistan do not endorse these norms, the conversation to challenge them has to start from us. NOW.

Syed Ali Abbas Zaidi

Syed Ali Abbas Zaidi

Syed Ali Abbas Zaidi is the founder of Pakistan Youth Alliance, CEC at Khudi Pakistan. He tweets as: @ali_abbas_zaidi

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • wb

    Very good sir!

    But this just the surface, if you go deep, you’ll find millions and millions of absurd beliefs.Recommend

  • Sami

    It seems you have spoken up my mind and summarized it in a concise manner. i agree with you 100 percent and bravo for your writing.Recommend

  • Ajnabi Sheher

    Attributing failures to foreign hands (Wrong)
    Not crediting own successes (Also wrong)
    Asking the religious scholar (Not wrong unless asked from a sectarian Mullah or Zaakir etc of any sect)
    Homosexuality exists but just because something exists does not make it legal or natural otherwise eating of baby snakes by their own parents also exists.
    No power on earth can undo Pakistan (Yes ideologies can never be undone, Pakistan is not just a piece of a land, it is an ideology)
    Modernism is take off one’s clothes (Wrong)
    But taking a veil or covering your face or keeping a beard is not modernism (Also wrong)
    Extremism is not because of drones but prior to start of war on terror, we were living in a heaven as compared to today. A fact which can’t be denied.
    We live in sectarian harmony (Wrong)
    But secularism is solution of our problems (Also wrong)
    Challenging the lame traditions is good.
    But challenging every tradition is lame.Recommend

  • abc

    I have just read ur 18th point.. everyone in this country saying the same .. so what can we say and how much we follow religious leaders….Recommend

  • ZaidiSaira
  • Mehdi

    @author – please be safe in Pakistan for being a shia. All the points you highlighted are very valid. Majority Pakistani “awams” are delusional and hypocrites. Recommend

  • Mehdi

    Whole heartedly agree with you on this.Recommend

  • http://kashifmd.com/ Kashif Chaudhry

    #25: Everything is a #QadianiSazish from secularism to terrorism in the country. Even your blog is a #QadianiSazish. On a side note, loved the piece mate. :)Recommend

  • No one

    Pakistan was made in the name of Islam and will always be a Muslim country inshaALLAH! I dont know in which illiterate society of Pakistan the writer lives where people think secularism means Godlessness. Everyone knows what is secularism. Pakistan is blessed by ALLAH and 1965 war is an example of it. Pakistan cannot be undone! Otherwise the superpower woulf have ripped us off.
    Pakistan means LA ILAHA ILLALLAH!Recommend

  • abc

    i have just read 18th point( by the way ‘only’)… Everybody in this country saying the same, and how much we follow religious leaders… My reservation is this is the sheer collapse of our society. In that downfall, we are disrespecting everyone,losing our common values. we believe that no one is out of question on the earth but what should be the way. This is all what i have learned from ten years of education of government schools.Its about what i felt in last some days.

    Thank youRecommend

  • Rahul

    Wonderful list! Hats off.Recommend

  • Grace

    Childish blog – I would have expected better from the ET than this level of writing. Belongs in a kids magazine.Recommend

  • Superhighway

    #1 Every writer for every Pakistani newspaper writes about this at least once, this topic has been overdone -we’ll get that Amreeka is innocent, that there are no external influences at all in destablizing Pakistan, that nobody really wants to denucealerize Pakistan -we’re the reason for all of our problems, if you suggest otherwise you must be a conspiracy nut who loves Zaid Hamid -because no ‘rational’ mind can ever believe anything that doesn’t follow the leftist narrative.

    #20 Pakistan matlab kya hai “La Ilaha Illallah”, means that there’s no God but God(Reza Aslan has a book of the same title), it is a theistic chant for all people who believe in God whether Muslim or not, like in America how they have slogan called, “in God we trust” -the only people who might have a problem with it are atheists

    #11 Not sharing food with ‘non-Muslims’ has nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with the caste system our ancestors followed -high castes and low caste people never ate together, and depending on the caste/social class, Muslims and non-Muslims alike are discriminated, even upper-class Christians in Pakistan don’t mingle with the Dalit converts,

    Other than that I agree with almost everything else you wrote.Recommend

  • Hasan Jawaid (USA)

    I agree with all of them particularly 1-4, 10 & 20. Conspiracy theories are dime a dozen in our country. Not sure of the origin of this deep rooted cultural evil but we sure seem to enjoy sensationalizing the stories without realizing the seriousness of their long term negative influences that could perpetuate over time and do more damage than good in the long run. We quickly shift our own misdoings and lack of common sense to west. For instance, littering is a challenge that every Pakistani experiences on the daily basis but I bet you many of us might have already attributed this to west’s conspiring against Pakistan polluting its environment. Another interesting one is number 10 – no power can undo Pakistan – Any takers on explaining fall of Dacca (1971), unrest in Baluchistan, Taliban’s blood shedding in Swat district, North Waziristan, Peshawar etc. etc. To be honest, we don’t need anyone’s help in harming Pakistan, we are doing a great job ourselves. Likewise, number 24 is yet another one that is discussed privately and publicly on social media. Without going deep into it, it would suffice to say that it has an agenda to it and is fueled by anti shia elements. However we chime in spreading our beliefs, we need to be cognizant that such beliefs make communities more fragile and frail than they need to be.Recommend

  • KDP

    The Muslims are not happy!

    They’re not happy in Gaza.
    They’re not happy in Egypt.
    They’re not happy in Libya.
    They’re not happy in Morocco.
    They’re not happy in Iran.
    They’re not happy in Iraq.
    They’re not happy in Yemen.
    They’re not happy in Afghanistan.
    They’re not happy in Pakistan.
    They’re not happy in Syria.
    They’re not happy in Lebanon.

    So, where are they happy?

    They’re happy in Australia.
    They’re happy in Canada.
    They’re happy in England.
    They’re happy in France.
    They’re happy in Italy.
    They’re happy in Germany.
    They’re happy in Sweden.
    They’re happy in the USA.
    They’re happy in Norway.
    They’re happy in Holland.
    They’re happy in Denmark.

    Basically, they’re happy in every country that is not Muslim…and unhappy in every country that is!

    And who do they blame?

    Not their leadership.
    Not themselves.

    They blame the countries that are happy in! And then—wait for it!—they want to change those countries to be like….the countries they came from where they were unhappy!Recommend

  • Rashid

    And many among us the Indians do have similar absurd beliefs too. Specially among the Hindutwa brigade.
    I join you in congratulating the author for such a forthright and no nonsense piece.Recommend

  • shah

    Sectarian hatred is huge in Pakistan. Country has been turned into land of bigots.Recommend

  • abc

    good sirRecommend

  • Usman

    please provide more information in a article so that your voice can be clear to everyone,,
    thanksRecommend

  • Safwn

    The famous quote “No power on earth can undo Pakistan” by Muhammad Ali Jinnah in 1947 was referred ONLY to the creation and establishment of the state of Pakistan amid gigantic difficulties in the late months of 1947 and should only be understood in that way, for that specific historical context.Recommend

  • usmanshahid

    I agree with many of the points you have noted, but I disagree with quite alot of them as well.Recommend

  • Ch. Allah Daad

    Very well written article. The author has done a great service to whole nation and hope some would learn from it.. I would add just few 1. Cousin marriage is preferred for family unity and happiness. Nobody cares about diseases and mental health issues. 2. Parents focus on eldest son, or one of the favourite off spring esp. on his education and other needs of life with the hope that he will take care of his siblings. 3. Rude and abusive bosses are good at their hearts. This myth I have heard from many employees about their bosses. They find the hard truth when bosses record something nasty in their annual confidential reports.Recommend

  • NATH

    This is a very important and thoughtful article. I wish people read it with open mind.Recommend

  • dixy

    “No power on earth earth can undo Pakistan” Regardless of what anyone has to say, I’ll take that to my grave thank you very much.Recommend

  • Shahid Khan

    Mr Zaidi this is a good article but you have screwed this traditional cap of KPK. Please roll it up properly we are very emotional about our traditions.Recommend

  • Visibly

    Excellent! It is so unfortunate that fundamentalists and people with all those funny believes lack ability or often equally important, the wish to consider facts. Coming from a secular nation, I can say that the vast majority have NONE of those ideas. Those who do are usually considered fundamentalists, criminals or delusional. It is indeed quite interesting that the most successful countries in the world in terms of happiness, health, tolerance, security (Scandinavian countries, New Zealand, Canada etc) often are the most godless as well. Those who are godless follow human rules.
    Godless societies ruled by non-democratic dogmatic rulers demanding to be treated as deities, e.g. North Korea, suffer from the same problem at dogmatic religious societies. They have the advantage over religious dogma that when the rulers go/die, society may rapidly change (e.g. Germany following WWII).Recommend

  • BlackJack

    Excellent! There is hope, Pakistan.

    One point of difference on this point – quote from blog: “Secularism means the right to be free from religious rulings of the state and the right to freedom from the government’s imposition of religion upon people within a country that is neutral on matters of belief.”

    Actually, secularism means that the state (incl executive/ judiciary) has no religion, so there will be no religious rulings from the state; the state will also not seek to protect/ assuage the feelings of a particular community or sect. Secularism does not (addressing those who speak of ladeeniyat) mean that the people within the state have no religion, but that adherents to any specific religion/ sect do not have the upper hand.Recommend

  • Mahmood

    @ writer….Please don’t spread more confusion in an already confused nationRecommend

  • Chan Lou

    I am in utter disbelief that these prejudices exist in Pakistan. You guys do have a long way to go.Recommend

  • Guru

    Please add one more…. That Pak people think they are ARABSRecommend

  • Aviator

    Absolutely spot on!Recommend

  • bigsaf

    Brave stuff. Expect a lot of right wing Islamist or nationalist backlash though…Recommend

  • Nandita.

    Points 2, 6, 7, 9, 15, , 7, 18, 19, 23 are applicable to Indians as well. :(
    Recommend

  • Hareem

    Man!!! You summarized my point of view in this one blog!!!

    Good work! :)Recommend

  • Ilyas

    Can this article be printed in Urdu, Punjabi and Sindhi too ? Can we please give this article prominent space on the ET homepage ? Can we please handout copies of this article to the masses for a year ? Perhaps, have an audio recording played out on radio & television ?

    By far one of the best articles I have read in a very long time. Hits the nail on the head on a host of problems facing Pakistan. You Sir, have a mind and I am glad you put your opinions out in such a clear and succinct manner. Too bad that only a minuscule percentage of this nations citizens would be able to read this wonderful and thought provoking article.Recommend

  • Jor El

    “Do you mix blood with rice?”
    “Do you turn off lights on Shaam-e-Ghareeban for sexual pleasures?”
    “Do you spit in tea before serving?”
    I am not aware of these. For my better understanding(i did google, but ddnt get answers) can someone pls clarify …Recommend

  • wb

    6 is absolutely not applicable to vast Indians. Homosexuality is now a well accepted phenomenon.

    19 is already fading away.

    The rest of your points are close.Recommend

  • Hammurabi

    In Koran it is specifically mentioned that youy can share food with people of the book(Ahle-Kitab)Recommend

  • Hammurabi

    Pakistanis living abroad rarely visit tourist sites if halal food is not available.Recommend

  • Nandita

    Homosexuality is accepted in India? Watch the satyamev jayate episode on the lgbt community and you will know it is still not widely accepted in India. Yes, there are exceptions but India has a long way to go in this regard.
    Point 19: (Elders are always right! ) It is fading away I guess. But I know many youngsters who blindly accept everything their parents tell them.It is insane but still applicable to many youngsters.Recommend

  • vinsin

    One of the best article I read.

    I thought Muslims are poius should be blaming GOD for everything, where does idea to blame foreign hands comes from?
    Seculatism is not the problem it is the implementation of human rights that is the problem, women rights, child rights, animal rights, religious building and clothing laws, freedom of speech and expression.
    Altaf Hussain himself said idea of Pakistan failed as mojority of Indian Muslims never moved to Pakistan and then Pakistan signed Liaquat Nehru Pact.Recommend

  • vinsin

    6) Indians are pretty vocal on homosexuality.
    23) Agree among middle class but still Indian art is pretty developed and well known. It is not that it dead or dying.Recommend

  • Nandita.

    You guys are aware of Article 377, right? The supreme court of India has upheld article 377 criminalizing homosexuality.
    Yes, homosexuality is now acceptable to a section(only to a small section) of urban India.What about the rest of the country? Is it acceptable all over the nation? No, it is not.

    As far as Art is concerned, I was looking at that point from a different angle.In my opinion, many Indian parents would not want their children to take up art as a profession.
    It is considered a futile pursuit.Recommend

  • Nandita.

    Contd…
    We barely have any art galleries or museums in India to showcase art.
    The only museum I remember visiting is the Salarjung museum in Hyderabad which my parents would take me to very often when I was a kid.
    Europe, on the other hand, has such beautiful museums.I love spending time in those museums (not that I understand art, but I love it nonetheless)
    Recommend

  • wb

    Satyameva jayate is not the reflection of society. It talks about a lot of social issues, including homosexuality not being accepted. That is not the sentiment of the whole country or even a vast majority of it.

    It is unfortunate that for many Indians who have no grassroots exposure, this Oprah like program seems to be the only window to reality.

    If anything, the program is lame, it highlights problems that we’re already know of.

    We’re a billion point two country and a vast majority have accepted homosexuality .Recommend

  • wb

    True, some of them are applicable to Indians as well. Especially among the Indian Muslim community.

    There is a sizeable Muslim population in India who believe that 9/11 was a jewish conspiracy. Recommend

  • wb

    Also, you didn’t even understand the point of the author, did you?

    The writer says, Pakistanis belief that homosexuality doesn’t exist in Pakistan.

    Do Indians say homosexuality doesn’t exist in India? It’s not a question of discrimination, it’s a question of denial. Understand the difference or what?Recommend

  • wb

    This is not unique to Pakistan.

    Even in India, a vast majority of Muslims believe that Qadianis or Ahmadis (Muslims on purpose don’t call them Ahmadis, instead call them Qadianis) are responsible for a lot of ills among Muslims.

    Muslms of India (in private) even blame Qadianis for this. Which is absurd not only because there is no evidence to prove this, but also because they’re such a tiny percentage and they’re not in any powerful positions either in India or Pakistan.Recommend

  • Parvez

    On absurd beliefs, how about……..Aamir Liaqat and Junaid Jamshid are religious scholars……while Veena Malik and Mathira are ‘ bad ‘.Recommend

  • Xulfiqar

    Extraordinarily depicted. One that I have come across it says, our afghani brothers needed our help and what we did then was our islamic duty.Recommend

  • siesmann

    HA!!Ha!!!1965?!!Recommend

  • does it matter

    Here is another absurd belief, … having a blog makes you a know-it-all.Recommend

  • PG

    Good job on the more obvious delusions we suffer.Recommend

  • Anonymous Prashant

    Well, it is nt accepted, tht is true, bt d point is we atleast talk abt it, nd though some of us ( like radicals) pretend tht it don’t exist, most of us knw abt it even though we refrain frm talking abt it in public, d situation is pretty much same like the topic of ‘sex’.Recommend

  • Nandita.

    I don’t find satyamev jayate lame at all. It shows us the mirror. No matter how much “grassroot” exposure anyone has, there are problems one can never unearth. How many bisexuals, homosexuals , transgenders does an average Indian know?. MOst know no one.These are taboo topics and people do not come out of the closet because doing so will result in them being persecuted. The people interviewed by Aamir’s team spoke of severe persrcution by society and here you are talking about how “majority” indians have accepted the LGBT community. Docs on Aamir’s show spoke of shock treatments given to gay men.Keep sticking your hand in the sand if it makes you feel better.
    The LGbt community has not gained complete acceptance in urban india as well. That’s why there are gay pride parades held.
    And there are Indians who think homosexuality is limited to the west. They think it doesn’t exist in India. So yes, there are people who think homosexuality does not exist here. I understand what the author was saying.
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  • Nandita.

    You were the one who didn’t understand the author. Your earlier comment reads,” homosexuality is a widely accepted phenomenon”
    You spoke of acceptance when the author had spoken about people not acknowledging its existence at all.do you understand the difference?
    I only replied to what you had said.Recommend

  • wb

    You must be kidding, right. There are art galleries and museums in pretty much every city/major towns.

    Obviously you have very little exposure.Recommend

  • Mehdi

    He never claimed that !!! Truth hurts if you are not willing to accept. Recommend

  • Mehdi

    Google search shia bigotry in Pakistan and shia genocideRecommend

  • ajeet

    Its nothing compared to what Abdul Majeed al-Zindani did with his “Commission on Scientific Signs in the Quran and Sunnah”Recommend

  • Ajeet

    What was the 1971 war an example of? So guys who lived 2000 years ago are more intelligent than us?Recommend

  • ajeet

    Then why do Arabs look down upon Pakistanis or South Asian muslims in general? Was caste system existing in Saudi Arabia too?Recommend

  • ajeet

    The Supreme court just said that its the government’s job to do away with article 377 and not High Court’s. The Congress government wanted to keep both the Christian and Muslim conservative groups happy and didn’t want to repeal article 377.Recommend

  • Nandita.

    Yes! You are correct!
    We have world class museums in every city which are major tourist attractions. My bad! Recommend

  • SamSal

    Point 25. Polio drops cause infertility and are a yahoodi sazish to stop muslim population from growing.

    The list is never ending..Recommend

  • thriftysmurf

    They are not Arabs, they are mostly Punjabis, Kashmiris, and Pashtuns BUT definitely not Gujaratis, South Indian,MP/ UP etc etc …. thus they cannot relate with 95% of Indians.Recommend

  • thriftysmurf

    They are not Arabs, they are mostly Punjabis, Kashmiris, and Pashtuns BUT definitely not Gujaratis, South Indian,MP/ UP etc etc …. thus they cannot relate with 95% of Indians.Recommend

  • vinsin

    Museum are there in India in almost every city. Museums have nothing to do with art, main purpose has to do upkeep the historical art.
    The art in modern sense has to do with films, music, dancing, painting and fashion mainly. Indian painters are among the best and most expensive. Even Indian musicians. Soma Veda is all about art.Recommend

  • vinsin

    Museum are there in India in almost every city. Museums have nothing to do with art, main purpose has to do upkeep the historical art.
    The art in modern sense has to do with films, music, dancing, painting and fashion mainly. Indian painters are among the best and most expensive. Even Indian musicians. Soma Veda is all about art.Recommend

  • vinsin

    How many times people get killed or jailed for homosexuality? Yes people are ahead than the laws.

    But many people do take art in India, NIFT (for fashion), there is a huge film and television industry, music, songs are integral part of every-ones life in India.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_art

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arts_and_entertainment_in_IndiaRecommend

  • Reema Amir

    Being a political science student and somehow a practiced psychological counselor who usually incorporate arts in therapies, i found out the writer’s views are needed to be evaluated critically and seems to be looked in a bigger horizon. For instance, you needed to know the limits of arts in itself, educated liberals needed to understand that homosexuality is a psychological disease which one fosters for oneself. And the fellas needed to understand the roots of secularism where they are coming from? I hope those who haven’t busted their butts in classrooms needed to re-think or re-visit their sociology, history and philosophy courses.Recommend

  • Guru

    ya they are 50 % punjabis Recommend

  • Rabblerouser666

    ExactlyRecommend

  • Rabblerouser666

    I know plenty of Gujrati Pakistanis. Btw, 85% of Pakistanis ARE INDIAN.Recommend

  • Rabblerouser666

    Pakistani men in particular, will drink and visit a brothel, but God forbid if they eat non halal food.Recommend

  • knoor

    Guys but the point is not India. Why do you guys always bring India into conversations. We are talking about changing Pakistan not India, hence our nationality. If India is going downhill doesnt mean we go downhill. “India has those beleives too!” should not be our excuse. With all due respect to Indians, who cares what India has? Why does India need to be discussed in an article thats called, Absurd Beleives Pakistani’s have. Come on now.Recommend

  • wb

    You don’t find it lame because you’re least exposed to real India.

    To those who have grassroots exposure it seems very lame.Recommend

  • wb

    Now this is what is called a Mullah mentality.

    The facts are right before you and yet you deny it.

    The writer said “6. Homosexuality does not exist”

    You said it is applicable to India as well.

    And I denied that your argument is wrong because homosexuality is widely accepted in India. And I said, ”
    Do Indians say homosexuality doesn’t exist in India?”

    And then you argue that you are right.

    Typical mullah mindset.Recommend

  • GodIs4Idiots

    Yet they consider “urdu” their mother tongue which is born in Auadh or Now UP. Abey Bevkoof bana diya tum logon ko,yahan ka Elite Muslim Class tum logon per ja ke Baith gaya, Only 7% speak Urdu in Pakistan. Or Urdu to Urdu hai bhi nahi. Hindi ko Nastalik Script mein likhane se Language change nahi ho jati.Recommend

  • wb

    Make up your mind girl.

    1) First you say: “We barely have any art galleries or museums in India to showcase art.
    The
    only museum I remember visiting is the Salarjung museum in Hyderabad
    which my parents would take me to very often when I was a kid.”

    2) Then you say, “We have world class museums in every city which are major tourist attractions. My bad!”

    If your concern is point number 1, then all I have to say is you have very little exposure in India outside of Hyderabad.

    If your concern is point number 2, then all I have to say is only a fool expects world class galleries/museums in a country with no world class infrastructure, innovation, education or system.

    Nonetheless, you must visit the National Museum of Delhi. It is world class.

    Now, will you apologize ?Recommend

  • wb

    “And there are Indians who think homosexuality is limited to the west. They think it doesn’t exist in India.”

    There are also Europeans who believe that Moses split water.

    There are also Americans who believe that 9/11 is a jewish conspiracy and Mumbai attacks were Indian conspiracy.

    A few people does not constitute a country.Recommend

  • wb

    I guess you still don’t understand the difference between denial and discrimination.

    Google the meanings first.Recommend

  • Nandita.

    “Museums havr nothing to do with art.”
    Only an Indian can utter those words. This conversation is abdolutely pointless. Goodnight!Recommend

  • Nandita.

    Do visit museums in the west someday.You will then know what the purpose of a museum is, what museums are supposed to be like and where India really stands.Recommend

  • Zainab

    Excellent article. Summarizes all that’s wrong in our society in such few words. Well done!Recommend

  • iman

    Completely agreed just add one more thing the one who questions or challenge any thing is declared as yahoodi agent Recommend

  • abhi

    I thought Pakistan was home to all muslims of south asia! Are you saying that no muslim from Gujrat, UP, MP or south migrated to Pakistan?Recommend

  • Mehdi

    @author

    After writing this blog you will be the target of extremist. Please be safe. In Pakistan a good percentage of people have extremist mind set. I would highly encourage you to watch homeland season 4 . In essence it truly depicts Pakistan govt and armed forces duplicity.

    Recommend

  • Yasir

    Check the Karachi demographic dude.Recommend

  • Ahmad

    Please add “Ahmadis are non-muslims and Wajib-ul-Qatl” in it too. People in Pakistan barely know anything about Ahmadis and their beliefs.Recommend

  • Sefwan Ahmet

    “non-normal sexual orientations” seriously!? -.-Recommend

  • Gul Zaman Ghorgasht.

    We are hindus we are crude, we are sikhs with a bruise.
    We are jains we are vain, we are marathi with a sharmati.
    We will take kothi with a dhoti, give us a Modi with a roti.Recommend

  • Gul Zaman Ghorgasht

    We are hindus in a bindi, we hindus in a dhoti.
    give us Gopal and a Schruti, give us roti with a boti
    We need shower with a toilet, or we take toilet in the violets.Recommend

  • Vikrant

    Summarizes the average Pakistani mindset PERFECTLY. Mixing “blood with rice” …?? Zaidi sahab, you have my profound sympathies…. what else can I say? Sadly.Recommend

  • Nandita.

    Section*Recommend

  • Student

    Mate what about Indonesia, Malaysia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Oman and rest of the other countries where muslims are a minority. Muslims lack unity and a great leader which they have not had since Muhammad.Recommend

  • http://www.mmabbasi.com/ Mohammed Abbasi

    Alhamdullilah, great article – this needs to be in Urdu so the gullible sheep that follow the various flavored maulvis read itRecommend

  • J T

    Actually, the Punjabis are closer to the Gujaratis and UP/MPites than they are to the Pathans. Fair point about South Indians though.Recommend

  • Khujliwal

    Sushruta was first plastic surgeon around 500 BC.Recommend

  • Imran

    Why did Whites look down apon Blacks? why do Brahmins look down upon Shudars? Are they all muslims. FYI, India is the most racist country in the world. Google it if you dont believe me.Recommend