#ShiaGenocide is a reality, not just a ‘fab’ Twitter trend

Published: August 3, 2013
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It means taking one life away and leaving a few hundred near death. PHOTO: EXPRESS

Another sectarian attack in Parachinar. The infamous hashtag Shia Genocide, however, only lasts momentarily on Twitter before being taken over by more worthy trends like #replaceMovieNameWithSharamnak.

A thoughtless comment by a random person inspired this post.

“Why isn’t it called #SunniGenocide when people die in Parachinar?”

Firstly, let me explain that genocide isn’t claimed by the Shias because it’s the fab trend these days, just in case someone was confused between gadget hype and reality.

Second, genocide isn’t an award or laureate we’d all like to place in a glass showcase. It is the epitome of inhumanity which rages on caused by the efficient inaction by governments (both past and present) fuelled by the desire to not intervene because it is ‘somebody else’s war’, or because it is exactly what they secretly sanctioned.

The United Nations defined genocide in Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG) as:

 “Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part […]”.

Shia genocide isn’t just a term. It means that for decades, you watch your friends and family watch those they love be sprayed with bullets, butchered, set fire to and be slain. It means that a singer’s death will get an immediate response from the president, his son, and the prime minister; their family will be offered condolences but yours won’t. It means that your dead are unworthy of even that gesture unless you refuse to bury your dead for over four days. It means that a little girl gets to sit in the sleet with her father. It means that a mother will die at the grave of her son, when he is finally buried and she is consumed whole by grief. It means that when whatever shreds of family that is left gathers to commemorate their martyrs on the fortieth day, they too must die.

Sometimes, it is because of the marks on their backs, sometimes because of their features, mostly though it is because of their faith.

It means orphans further orphaning their children. It means there will be screams, crying, nightmares and hugging. It means having the audacity to reign the youth that wants to take some action; that wants permission to reply to the enemy in the same manner and reasoning with them. It is about silencing the last window of hope left; it means there will be no justice now or ever. Lastly, it means that it is okay because we have to learn to let it go.

It means taking one life away and leaving a few hundred near death.

But despite this explanation, you might just be a numbers man. So I’ve compiled in a concise and easy to read form of data from 2012 -2013 of Shia deaths, from target killings to horrific acts like Chilas.

Please note: names, ages and relationships which may be inconvenient and cumbersome for your scornful eyes to read through have been omitted.

I hope you have the stamina to read the answer to why it is a #ShiaGenocide. And if you do have the courage, try to remember every date you just casually glanced over; that particular date is a death anniversary for a family. Many of whom may not have even reached that first anniversary mark yet.

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2012:

January in Pakistan:

Punjab: 5th, 15th and 16th January

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa: 7th, 31 January

Sindh: 12th, 13th, 19th,23rd ,25th 30th and 31st January

Balochistan: 17th,18th and 25th January

February in Pakistan:

Sindh: 9th, 15th and 16th February

Punjab: 11th and 19th February

Gilgit Baltistan: 28th and February 29th

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa: 13th and 17 February

March in Pakistan:

Sindh: 5th, 12th, 14th, 16th, 24th, 26th and 28th March

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa: 10th, 12th (Parachinar), 12th (Kohat), 18th and 23rd March

Gilgit and Baltistan: 4th, 7th March and 27th March

Balochistan: 18th, 26th, 28th and 29th March

Punjab: 3rd and 17th March

              April in Pakistan:

Gilgit Baltistan: 3rd April

August in Pakistan:

Gilgit Baltistan: 17th August

             September in Pakistan:

Balochistan: 20th September

November in Pakistan:

Sindh: 6th ,7th, 8th, 9th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 18th, 21st, 25th, 26th, 27th, 28th and 30th November

Balochistan: 10th, 12th, 17th, 18th and 28th November

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa: 7th and 29th November

Punjab: 21st, 22nd and 24th November

Islamabad: 12th November

December in Pakistan:

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa: 3rd December

Sindh: 1st, 3rd, 5th, 11th, 12th,13th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 21st, 24th, 25th, 29th and 30th December

Balochistan: 4th,13th, 14th,17th,20th ,26th and 30th December

Gilgit Baltistan: 23rd December

Punjab: 8th, 22nd, 30th and 31st December

2013 

January 2013 in Pakistan:

Balochistan: 7th, 9th, 10th, 15th and 8th January

Sindh: 7th, 8th, 9th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 22nd, 23rd, 25th, 26th, 30th, 31st January

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa: 19th, 22nd 29th January

Punjab: 5th January.

            February in Pakistan:

Balochistan: 16th February

Sindh: 3rd, 18th March

July in Pakistan:

Khyber Pakhtunkhwa: 27th July

Gilgit Baltistan: 29th July

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So you see, #ShiaGenocide is not just a ‘trend’ on Twitter; it is a reality.

Alizeh Khaleeli

Alizeh Khaleeli

A photojournalist, wedding photographer and writer who is inspired by life and it's realities. She tweets @TwotwoAlys (twitter.com/aly2488)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Abidi

    It isn’t just the trend on twitter. It has become a trend to hear about the genocide, rant about it and then wait for the other upcoming target killings. Nobody seems to care. Everybody is just busy in his own lives and he won’t care until this tragic thing won’t knock at his door. But again the point is what exactly can we do about it? It isn’t any education policy which we can change.Recommend

  • Abdul Moiz

    This is a sectarian conflict that has been going on for centuries and it’s not one sided as some people are desperate to portray it as.Sunnis are on the receiving end in Karachi but no one in the media talks about this fact.Both sides are taking the hits.This attempt by some people to portray this as only one side suffering are fooling no one.Recommend

  • Saad Khan

    What about the #Sunnigenocide in Karachi?Social media activists remain silent over that.Recommend

  • azhar siddiqui

    People from both the sects are dying,there are militants within both the sects.Let’s not pretend that only one sect is being targetted.Recommend

  • Zeeshan Aziz

    Karachi has become the favourite refuge for those who are committing Sunni genocide.Sunnis are being target killed in karachi,while shias are being targetted in Quetta.This sectarian war will only damage Pakistan.Recommend

  • Muhammad Bilal

    Sectarian activists on the social media are trying to give the colour that only shias are being murdered whereas in reality Sunnis are being targetted in great numbers especially in Karachi.It’s time the world talked about that also.Recommend

  • Shumaila anwar

    Why are people being misled into believing that only one sect’s individuals are dying?Recommend

  • Tania Jawed

    @Saad Khan

    No,the popular narrative that has been set is that only one sect is suffering.That’s the official narrative in Pakistan and anyone daring to disagree with that is branded a Taliban,Al Qaeda sympathizer.No one dare deviate from the set narrative.Recommend

  • unbiased

    @Abdul Moiz:
    had it been a sectarian strife, shias would also be blowing themselves in sunni masses to avenge the killing of their loved ones … but Pakistan has yet to see any such bombing !!!!! Recommend

  • Unaccepted son of soil aka Karachi Wala

    No one talks about everyday 9 to 15 Sunnis die on the streets of Karachi….Wait Sunnis are in majority so their killing can not be justified as genocide right…..If you have accidently read the newspaper there were around 1,700 people killed in the Karachi from January to June if I’m not worng there will be only 200 shia out of those 1,700….Why don’t we think above sect a live lost is live lost not shia or sunni. Riseup above the sect it will be better for us and for Pakistan.Recommend

  • anonymous

    To all,

    The reason why its not called sunni genocide is that because sunnis are not being specifically targeted for their religious beliefs. Most Sunnis can go into a mosque, travel to work and shop in karachi without having to continuously look back at your shoulder to check if someone is following them. How many apolitical sunni doctors, educationists, bankers etc have been target killed in karachi because they were sunnis (barring those with shia names)?

    Most sunnis being targeted in karachi are being done so mostly on their political beliefs. Most shia target killings are not even reported in media. I know of plenty of apolitical shias who have lost their loved ones just because they were educated and were shia. So dont bring in the fictitious argument of more sunnis being targeted in karachi. If you look at the hard facts and numbers there is simply no basis for the argument of shia genocide being blown out of proportions argument. Around 40% of (strictly) civilian casualties during the past year were shias even though shias form only 15-20% of total population.

    If you are too blind or biased to admit to a shia genocide in Pakistan then there is really no point in arguing with you. Recommend

  • Unfortunate Pakistani

    Kindly compare sunnis killed in the name of religion with Shias…do it and you have your answer. You cant compare killing in the name of politics, gangwars and what not with Killing because of your beliefs. I certainly hope that the sunni population of Pakistan gets picked off in packs and packs…then you will be right in lamenting about Sunni genocide. Hypocrites!!Recommend

  • unbiased

    @Unaccepted son of soil aka Karachi Wala:
    saeen how many sunnis have been killed for their faith ????? for their being sunnis ???? how many ???? shias are being killed for being shias !!!! and yes if u say bralvis are being killed for their i agree with u as the killers of braelvis and shias are the same … Recommend

  • Unfortunate Pakistani

    To all ‘non-shia’ readers – No one stops any writer from writer about ‘Sunni genocide’. You find material/events/murders and write about it. Your ignorance in representing your cause is not the fault of any journalist or any community. It can mean two things: Its either YOU are too lazy to report murder in your own home, or it doesn’t happen with such frequency or ferocity that makes it prominent enough to be cried about. Its not in Its not like their heads chopped off and delivered on their doorsteps, or regularly blowing themselves up in mosques…which btw happens to Shia muslims, with alarming frequency. Death of a human being is not a competition. Death of masses on the basis of their religion doesn’t deserve a medal for 1st and 2nd places but some serious thinking on what is wrong with teaching, values or morals which enrages someone to such an extent as to kill someone on the basis of what he thinks.

    A better approach would be to leave the pathetic facade of religious harmony, and embrace the notion, the Sunnis would not like to live with Shias. Leave the hypocrisy behind.
    And ET please dont censor my comment….plzzzzRecommend

  • asif

    There is no Sunni genocide in Karachi because those people are not being targeted for their Sunni religion.

    All murders and homicides cannot be called a genocide.Recommend

  • Beenish Bawany

    So,we should all lie and say again and again that it’s only one sect’s people who are being killed,that’s the narrative that has been set and that is the narrative all Pakistanis are supposed to repeat.Why must we lie and say that it’s a genocide? It’s not a genocide,not even close.People from both sects are being murdered but twitter propagandists only make trend of one sect.Sunnis are being mudered in karachi in great numbers because of their sect,no one has the moral courage to condemn the Sunni genocide.Recommend

  • Unfortunate Pakistani

    Please report Sunni Mass murder! Please! we wont to hear about it…the world needs to know it…come on…Pakistan is waiting. Recommend

  • Insaan

    @azhar siddiqui: People from both the sects are dying,there are militants within both the sects.Let’s not pretend that only one sect is being targeted

    When one sect starts killing people of other sects, and other sects starts to respond, you can’t say both sects are bad.

    Pakistan created talibans and Mujhahideens to control Afghanistan and bleed India. If these terrorists start killing Pakistanis, Pakistan can’t cry “terrorism” because it itself created the problem.Recommend

  • Parvez

    One is at a loss for adequate words to condemn the atrocity of killing and more so of killing in the name of religion.
    The Canadian academic Murtaza Haider has in daily DAWN pointed out a report by the European Parliament – Policy Dept – titled The Involvement of Salfi / Wahabbism in the support and supply of arms to rebel groups around the world. In this the names of KSA, UAE an Qatar are taken in very unflattering terms………..this makes for interesting reading.
    The blame for allowing this to happen………rests with us.
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  • http://leftsideoftherightbrain.blogspot.com/ Jamaluddin

    Well written Alizeh. It was hard hitting and factual. Kudos to you for highlighting the plight of Shias in Pakistan in a brilliant manner.Recommend

  • Urooj Zehra, Peshawar

    Does only Shia are being killed in Pakistan? no Sunni ever murdered? Recommend

  • Mehdi

    @author

    Your blog points out the view presented here by many that there is no Shia genocide, as many Pakistanis are in denial and fear the truth. Shias are targeted because of their faith. It is preposterous to say that there is a Sunni genocide by numerous post, i have seen here.Some are even implicitly supporting Shia killing. Shias are killed by extremist Sunni in a country where a study has been done that shows 50% of the populace think that shias are not even Muslim. Pakistan is heading towards being a failed state, if people continue to harbor such bigoted mindset. But again job well done highlighting the plight of oppressed minority.Recommend

  • Mehdi

    @Parvez:

    Yes that piece was an eye opener. Shias will not be safe in Pakistan with the present mindset of the people who have expressed their view points here. I despise when people justify one wrong deeds with another one. It is common theme among esteemed Sunni Muslims. Shias under attack through out Islamic world, that is the many reason Shias opt for asylum in a non Muslim countries where they flourish.Recommend

  • Asghar

    Great Article Alizeh…Unfortunately nothing will change in this country. You can get an idea of that by the type of comments. In spite of your clear explanation regarding genocide, the bias and resentment some people have in their hearts leaves them no choice but to respond with these types of arguments. It is truly sad…Recommend

  • Mazhar Ali Khan

    It is insane. It’s cruel to think even killing your own brother. Try to understand there are very few I will say again that very few agents or brainwashed humans among us as Pakistanis who are involve in this inhuman act. I remember When were young & school goers, we use to spend hours & hours in the nearest imam bargah. There was no fear nor any hatred what we see now in these faces. We use to play run a lot without even having a single thought of any “fasaad”.
    Sharing with you a small story. Very recently Me & my sister visit our village just to meet our elders & coincidently when we arrive it was 10th of Muharam. What I saw that my uncle was standing right on the road & offering milk & water mix (sharbaat) to every passerby. There were Shia & Sunnis mix who were drinking glass full of this sweet drink. That kind of harmony & feeling love which I saw in those people it’s hard to imagine that some one so cruel could be there too! No it’s not us.Recommend

  • sidjeen

    to all those who say why not sunni genocide well the writer said it in the article. genocide is not a trophy. and by the way no sunni has so far been taken out of a bus asked for his identity card and then killed because his name sounded like a sunni Recommend

  • faiyaz

    to all those who are talking about sunni genocide.
    first of all sunni’s being murdered doesn’t come under the umbrella of the term ‘genocide’ which the writer mentioned in earlier paragraphs.
    secondly what is wrong with you people, seriously?? when the writer tried to pronounce the ongoing issue that has plagued and grossing us out why are you all people trying to nullify it with sunni murder?? can it be nullified? or if you’re trying so are you doing any iota of goodness to those shia’s being targeted for which the article was written in the first place.In reality you’re deliberately throwing your gaze away from shia genocide towards sunni one. does that not mean that you’ve poles in your ideologies in this regard.
    talk about shia genocide please. no one will kill you for that. yes you could be killed..more so if you’re a shiaRecommend

  • hurr

    call it genocide or ethnic cleansing they are perpetuated because of hatred based upon a particular group’s religious beliefs. It is evidently been done and repeated by the fanatics the be it taliban, lashkar jhangvi or any group who convienently proclaim any one as an infidal KAFIR these takfeeris are ruthlessly buchering shias in Pakistan as shias are the scape goats–easy targets beside the ahmedis. all those moderate muslims who are keeping a mum on these sectarian killings of shia will themselves be the next victims of this buchery as these fanatics will not spare anyone in the future; who ever raise a voice against them will be eliminated. These talibans and their associates have a very narrow agenda– to control pakistan and perhaps other places for their personal gains– ironically still people deliberate whether these killings are genocide or notRecommend

  • Sher Ghazi (@Ghanishkuch)

    Just read the comments of readers and observing the division among Muslims. Some of them are happy for killing on Shia`s and others also want to highlight the killings of other sect as well. Simple answers of this virus is that , Shia should stop get money and donations from Iran and Saudia Should stop funding to Banned Militants groups Like SSP & LeJ. Both Countries playing with the precious lives of innocent Pakistani. Recommend

  • jamal

    Urooj,

    Sunni are not murdered for being Sunni.

    But Shia are murdered for being Shia. This is why it is a Shia genocide.Recommend

  • vaqas

    We all hear stories of people id cards being checked and such and then being murdered. I have heard of only two types of people being murdered like that. One are the shia sect people, and it is happening to them generally all over the country and particularly karachi and quetta ( karachi probably because i live in it, so i hear more stories from it ) . And the others are non- balochi, particularly punjabi being done with in the same manner in balochistan. Recently i have heard a story of the same nature about non- balochi being dragged out of a bus near the lyari area, and being taken away too, but that might just be a sporadic event. Im not one to go looking for such stories, but i hear them nonetheless. If they are true, and they probably are, they are very sorry tales of a barbaric nature. If the same is happening with sunnis, then please do share. Otherwise shut up and recognize the brutality and act against it before the inhuman dogs carrying out these heinous acts find a reason to do you and everyone else too. Pathetic people we all our. Shame on all of us.Recommend

  • Realist

    To all of the above who think this is a Pakistani problem. Wake up! This is trickle down effect of Shia Sunni conflict raging in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria.Recommend

  • http://Bahawalpur Suqraat

    Before I say anything, I swear upon my mother that both my parents are Sunni and I am also a Sunni. Having said that I agree with the authoress on the content of the above blog. Now coming to the comments I would say that ranting about Sunni genocide in Karachi is plain balderdash. Precarious security environment in Karachi is mostly due to militant factions of every major political party. Confusing it with Sunni oriented killings is plainly unjust and akin to blindfolding oneself to facts.

    One has to admit that ponderous blasts which happened twice to Hazara community in Quetta, Abbas town blast Karachi and than Parachinar blast were terrible and we Sunni’s are lucky not to witness such massacres. Touch wood.Recommend

  • Strange

    The topic is Shia geogocied Right?
    Can anyone deny that its not happening?
    The killing of any person irrespective of their faith is equally regrettable (Sunnis and other sects)
    But all other sects are not the victims of TTP, SSP and LeJ. These butchers have claimed the responsibility of Shia Killings almost on every occassion. A news site reported that during DIKhan jail break only the Shia prisoners were beheaded, So if there isn’t anything like Shia geniocide then why Shia prisoners were brutally killed?
    Whatever the history of sectarian conflicts might be, killing the members of a specific sect which happens to be in minority is brutality.
    Everyone should consider these sorts of killings a cruelity, a menance even if they do not agree with the term Shia geneocide.Recommend

  • ER

    don’t you see that shia genocide is against the interests of vast majority of Pakistan sunnis? Do you not see they are on the frontline of attack by groups that have an agenda most of you will not like? So if not for reasons of basic morality, for basic self-interest, do something, civil society, before it’s too late. & btw, I’m sorry some shia-killer mastermind prisoners are (or have been) released by my country (they are being secretive about this & most here don’t even know about the shia genocide) – ER (observer from Florida)Recommend

  • acbr

    BAKWAS ARTICLE,,,, no shia genocide u talk as sunnis , hindus, christains are safe in pakistan ,,, every 1 gets hit lady,,, dont make these grudges more deep,,, we pray struggling and discouraging this fighting at every forum,, if its any 1…Recommend

  • Islah M

    A disappointing beginning did not allow me to read this piece attentively. Had this been produced by a sunnni writer or writer of any other sect it would have made a lot of sense to me. This is not shia genocide at all in the first place. Those involved in the killing spree might also have shias in their rank and file and ideally they would not get involved in shedding the blood of fellow shias. This simply is an act of cowardice carried out by inhuman elements against humanity (not shias). Using terms like shia genocide is only to get sympathies from countries like Iran etc. Recommend

  • unknown

    for those claiming it to be a sectarian conflict …but i also agree this shia killing is not done by our sunni brothers but by Wahabis…tell how many bombing has happened at any big wahabi gathering or place in the recent past?? remember pakistan has almost 70-75% sunnis living in it and barely 20% shias now compare the death toll and ull see 70% people killed are shia and 20-25% are sunnis does it make sense……Recommend

  • http://tribune amjad hussain

    the main reason behind sectarian terrorism is preaching of sectarian extremism which is not prohibited by any legislation of the country ,sectarian extremism is legally allowed rather patronized by state polices, the people of pakistan whether shia or sunni who lost their lives are victims of state sponsored terrorism.Recommend

  • Mishrab

    Pakistan……Proxy war field of KSA & IRI, isnt it ? Since the birth of Pakistan it is on. it can only be stopped when this mob turn to be a nation…Recommend

  • http://bigsaf.newsvine.com bigsaf

    Those who are trying to make a disingenuous parallel with ‘Sunni genocide’ are like white supremacists who claim they’re discriminated more than a historically persecuted and still currently persecuted black folks. The privileged Sunni supremacist sentiments and anti-Shia arguments are simply borne out of prejudiced and bigoted ideological resentment of the minority, who are indeed suffering more disproportionately, and is absolutely NOT an equal 2 sides sectarian affair.

    The fact of the matter is that overall terrorist violence, including sectarian violence, is heavily monopolized by Wahhabi/Salafi/Deoband/Sunni extremist militants, and it is quite lop-sided. The Barelvi Sunni Muslims are also suffering from these extremists, but are also now embroiled and victims in local political violence in Karachi. Extremist activists from Deoband organizations such as ASWJ, tied to militant terrorist organizations, also get targeted, by both Shia or Barelvi militants, however, there is no random Sunni Muslim who is murdered for simply being Sunni Muslim (though they do get killed by other Sunni extremists, who are targeting a specific public location or anti-extremist personality), nor are they bombed into oblivion anywhere for simply being targeted for being ‘Sunni’. The statistics do not lie and they bear them out. Recommend

  • http://bigsaf.newsvine.com bigsaf

    Even far away Canada, which is not embroiled in a sectarian war, lists its number one major domestic and foreign threat, out of all its other lesser threats, as religio political Sunni Islamist extremism, particularly of the Wahhabi/Salafi kind.

    This is also what ails Pakistan, but unfortunately its population and state are simply not honest with itself in accepting this reality, which is not a coincidence. I would hope there were more moderates instead of such biased folks from the majority.

    The only good news from some of the denialist and deluded comments above is that there wasn’t the usual conspiracist RAW, CIA, etc to explain away the sectarianism (probably because some of the violence is finally coming close to home), which I remember hearing for decades whenever there was a brutal attack on the Shia Muslim minority community. Recommend

  • anonymous

    @Beenish Bawany:
    I would really appreciate a proof of Sunni Genocide, i.e. by terrorist organizations like Lashkar-e-Jhangvi or TTP. Is there a proof, or a claim by these terrorists or any other terrorist organization (and I would really appreciate if you expose them) that they killed Sunnis in Karachi just because they are Sunnis and only for there religious believes.
    No one here is saying that people aren’t dying. Country is in turmoil. But thats the thing when Christian colonies are burnt, its condemned yet when not one, not two, not even three but dozens of minority civilians of this nation are killed (brutally butchered), why do we remain silent? Recommend

  • anonymous

    @Urooj Zehra, Peshawar:
    Yes Sunnis are being murdered, christians are being burnt and shias are being slaughtered. Difference: christians and Shias are being killed because of the very fact that they are christians and Shias; HENCE THE TERM TARGET KILLING!! I sincerely hope that helps.Recommend

  • Pradhan

    @Urooj Zehra, Peshawar:

    Of course shunni must have been murdered too but you see, you can’t complain about how much your palm hurts after you slap someone.

    @Beenish Bawany:

    Its not a narrative the author has given the dates and time where killing occurred and ppl got killed just coz of they being shia. Why the author called it a genocide she gave her reasons by citing the definition of the word genocide. The question you should be asking yourslef is are you brave enough to accept/call a geocide ad genocide?? or are you going to call a genocide a propaganda.

    You have to think about why these killings occuring?? As per wiki, the first group created based on their hatred towards shia sect is in 1980 which was supported by then leader of Pakistan Zia Ul Haq and the group name is Sipah-e-Sahaba. This group officially described it that Shia are not Muslim. There are I am sure still people think Shia are not Muslims.

    My problem is not what they think about Shia or ahmadis or any other muslim sect. My problem is the kind of mindset that justify/allows muslms to kill non-muslims.Recommend

  • optimist

    It’s become fashion to use the word genocide! Stop exaggerating the facts.
    .
    Don’t get me wrong. Even a single human being murdered is wrong and condemnable!Recommend

  • Mehdi

    @Islah M:

    You really need to introspect. Please think twice before you pen your opinion. Your comment seems to be an incoherent rant and devoid of logic.Recommend

  • Mehdi

    @acbr:

    Your stated opinion borderlines “Bakwas”. I would highly implore you to do some studies on the current political situation of Pakistan.Recommend

  • Bilal

    To all,

    The reason why its not called sunni genocide is that because sunnis are not being specifically targeted for their religious beliefs. How many apolitical sunni doctors, educationists, bankers etc have been target killed in karachi because they were sunnis (barring those with shia names)?

    Most sunnis being targeted in karachi are being done so mostly on their political beliefs. Most shia target killings are not even reported in media. I know of plenty of apolitical shias who have lost their loved ones just because they were educated and were shia. So dont bring in the fictitious argument of more sunnis being targeted in karachi.

    If you are too blind or biased to admit to a shia genocide in Pakistan then there is really no point in arguing with you. Recommend

  • Aamir

    @Mehdi:
    Mr Mehdi, hav courage and respect for other,s opinion. Only then urs will be respected. Dont try to be self rightous pseudo intellectuall by correcting everyone.Recommend

  • omer ali

    no one can deny it ..#ShiaGenocide is a reality in pakistanRecommend

  • Mehdi

    @Aamir:

    Yes I do. Respect is two way street, when you implicitly support Shia killings, then your opinion borderlines Bakwas or bigotry. As a Shia myself I will call you out.Recommend

  • Mehdi

    @Aamir:

    Do you agree if there is a Shia genocide going in Pakistan ? Yes or no. Answer is quite simple. I despise people who support killers.Recommend

  • Mehdi

    @Aamir:

    You correct those who are just on the wrong path. In this case any implicit support for shi’a killers is walking the wrong. Look forward to your rebuttal.Recommend

  • Reality Check

    @unknown:

    Stop spreading this misinformation regarding proportion of sunni and shia population in pakistan. 90% of pakistani population identifies as sunnis. the rest 10% convers all the religious minorities including christians, shias, sikhs, hindus and qadianis etc. Recommend

  • http://bigsaf.newsvine.com bigsaf

    @Aamir:

    Its upsetting to a minority Shia Muslim Pakistani, such as myself, that such dishonest or insensitive opinions are spouted above from some of my fellow Sunni Muslim majority countrymen (just glad some of the comments are not in full blown anti-Shia Sunni hardliner territory yet), and its unfortunate that Mehdi, who isn’t even a Pakistani, is the one who is addressing and correcting such prejudiced misconceptions and deluded views, because it really does become tasking and tiresome to address such wrong and hurtful ‘opinions’. Recommend

  • marziyeh

    @optimist: Your statement is in direct contradiction to what you are saying – the author has given indisputable, in fact, staggering figures of the death toll that clearly supports that Shia genocide is ongoing in Pakistan.Deny it as much as you want but a systematic ethnic cleansing is happening. At least Protest the massacre if nothing else, for .”those who are silent when others are oppressed are guilty of oppression themselves .”
    The apathy reflected through all the comments is morally repugnant..Even worse are the people who seem to think “genocide” is a competition.Recommend

  • marziyeh

    @optimist:
    @optimist: Your statement is in direct contradiction to what you are saying – the author has given indisputable, in fact, staggering figures of the death toll that clearly supports that Shia genocide is ongoing in Pakistan.Deny it as much as you want but systematic ethnic cleansing is happening. Stats don’t lie.
    At least Protest the massacre, for “those who are silent when others are oppressed are guilty of oppression themselves .”
    The apathy reflected through all the comments is morally repugnant..Even worse are the people who seem to think “genocide” is a competition.Recommend

  • marziyeh

    @optimist: Your statement is in direct contradiction to what you are saying – the author has given indisputable, in fact, staggering figures of the death toll that clearly supports that Shia genocide is ongoing in Pakistan.Deny it as much as you want but a systematic ethnic cleansing is happening. At least Protest the massacre,if nothing else for .”those who are silent when others are oppressed are guilty of oppression themselves .”
    The apathy reflected through all the comments is morally repugnant..Even worse are the people who seem to think “genocide” is a competition.Recommend

  • Hussain Ali

    Why we always beat about the false drums!!! Recommend

  • Rashid

    The scores of killings only in Karachi during last 20 years clearly shows that Sunnis are at the receiving end of killings.The Drones have killed 100% of the Sunnis. The bomb blasts in Peshawar and rest of KP have killed 90% Sunnis. This speaks for the weakness hidden in the slogan of ShiaGenocide. Kill a Sunni and there is no notice taken on media..Recommend

  • http://twitter.com/bohotsaara Sarah B. Haider

    Give them a definition in salees urdu please!Recommend

  • Jim

    @Unaccepted son of soil aka Karachi Wala:
    When u say 9 to 15 Sunnis are killed every day in Karachi. Are they killed for their faith? Have you seen any letter issued from any other organization claiming that we just want Pakistan to become a Shia state & Sunnis should be killed?
    I am sure you’ve seen many letters and video statements from banned terrorist outfit Sipahe Sahaba that is also known as Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan claiming responsibility of ShiaGenocide in Pakistan. When ShiaGenocide is mentioned, they never blame Sunni sect for ShiaGenocide, blame goes to Sipahe Sahaba terrorist group that is a self confessed terrorist organization and it’s chief Malik Ishaq & Aurangzeb Farooqui have released video statements accepting the responsibility. Have you seen any example of Shia militants appear on media and say fla fla is Kafir? Have you seen any mosque or madarsah being bombed by Shia group? The answer is no.
    Please don’t try to balance ShiaGenocide with other killings in Karachi and Pakistan because it is not Shia Sunni conflict. It is a pure terrorism against Shias from Deobandi outfit Sipahe Sahaba Taliban. By justifying ShiaGenocide, you are only becoming a partner in crime of Sipahe Sahaba.Recommend

  • Saira

    a typical blog tagging the horrible acts as ShiaGenocide or SunniGenocide This is a part of Pakistan that is killed and we are as divided as always by tagging these killings. Your words are right about the sufferings of people but you should not have tagged it as a specific kind. Its like this is a war between Sunnis and Shias not the terrorists and Muslims.
    Many of people commented like admit this as a shia genocide it is but its not a Sunnis fault then why every comment needs to drag every Sunni in it and sorry to say none of you have said a single word about the terrorists who are doing this including the writer.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com Anoop

    When you have a society like Pakistan and there are no non-Muslims, most of them driven out or converted, you get to this not-so-curious situation.

    A society in which hate is a staple diet in books, tv, newspapers,etc. its hardly surprising that after the Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Ahmadi Muslims, the turn of the next biggest minority has come.

    There is another article arguing the Shia-Sunni clash in Kashmir is manufactured, none other than the Indian state, and none exists.

    Maybe you should educate your fellow blogger a little bit and make her realize her naivety. Recommend

  • Mehdi

    @Saira:

    Almost all terrorist outfits in pakistan are exclusively Sunni. Hence we need to tag Shia victims. It is not that difficult to decipher.Recommend

  • Khalq e Khuda

    @Saad Khan:
    @Abdul Moiz:

    As clarified by others above the Shia genocide is being called as such because they are being killed by the extremist element because of being Shias. There is a sub sect of Sunnis commonly known as Barailvis who are also being targeted by same elements because of their faith but it is not termed as such because the murderers and the murdered are both different sub sects of Sunnis. The mass murder of Barelvis could therefore be termed as genocide as well.

    Not to say there have been few incidents where Sunni clerics were murdered by extremist Shias but these are too few as well as targeted to be termed genocide. There is yet to be a notable incident of mass murder where Sunnis were mass murdered by Shias in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Saira

    @Mehdi:
    I think you need to get your facts straight and get a definition of Muslim. No Muslim can kill other Muslim just because they dont have same beliefs. Sunni and Shia is a tag used to divide and rule and sorry to say you all are very much interested in this like to be ruled by people who are doing this. Yesterday almost 60 70 people die and I didnt know anything about they were Sunni or Shia its you people who are giving tags. Not every Sunni is a terrorist Recommend

  • Ali Ahmad

    @Islah M:

    I don’t know what nonsense you are talking about when you say that ‘this article would have made sense if written by a non-shia’. A shia writer would be better suited to portray the extent to which shias are being targeted especially for following their beliefs.

    Nowadays, shias are first identified and then they are killed on the spot just like the inhuman act which was committed near gilgit in 2012 when the shias travelling on a bus were killed while most of the other people were spared. This is as blatant an example of what is being done to shias in Pakistan and terming this as shia genocide is absolutely not just a ploy to gain sympathies only; it is to represent the reality.Recommend

  • Ali Ahmad

    @Saira:

    But that is exactly what has been happening; shias are being killed by sunni extremists at every available oppurtunity. The growing number of shias is seen as a threat by these extremists and hence they are being specifically targeted. These are no doubt targeted killings because the shias are targeted for just following their beliefs.Recommend

  • Hasan Mehmood

    @Saira:
    {No Muslim can kill other Muslim just because they dont have same beliefs}
    Typical ostrich like attitude. Based on your statement I would like a categorical statement from your end that “all those persons who believe in killing of Shias and do it or support it are Kafir, Wajib ul WQatal for spreading fasad fil Arz and fodder for HELL”
    You dont need to name any name. Are you upto it?
    {Not every Sunni is a terrorist} Absolutely correct. I would add that overwhelming majority of Sunnis are not terrorist. But 99% terrorists are Sunnis which belong to a twisted minority sub sect of Sunni Islam. Ever heard of a Shia member of Al Qaeda, Al Shabab, TTP etc? It is the duty of all moderate / sensible Sunnis like yourself to distance themselves from them and don’t feel compelled to go into shell or defend them in an auto reflex sort of reaction.

    Moderator ET: Please publish my post specific comment.Recommend

  • Hasan Mehmood

    @Unaccepted son of soil aka Karachi Wala:
    {No one talks about everyday 9 to 15 Sunnis die on the streets of Karachi….}

    Have you taken leave of your senses. Random killings on political basis (of course with much greater Sunni proportion as per population) cannot be compared with purely targeted Shia killing. Please enlighten us as to when a Sunni was slaughtered or shot dead based on CNIC identification, when was a Sunni Madrassa or mosque blown up and proudly owned as done by Lashkare-Jhangavi, when were the Shia passengers left in bus and rest taken out and shot, when was a Sunni Advocate or Doctor killed based on the signboard outside his office / clinic and so on. The reason for this one sided genocide is very simple. While an extremist Sunni faction (not adequately challenged by overwhelmingly moderate majority) considers SHIAS as Kafir and Wajib ul Qatal, none of the Shia Muftis consider any faction of Sunnis as Kafir. Yes there have been some revenge killings (much smaller in number) but never on random basis. Why? Because revenge cannot be taken from an innocent Muslim of any sect. So the Shia minority has no option but to take out processions, stage sit ins, issue statements and appeal to Media. Ever heard of an enraged Shia procession venting their anger on a tea stall owned by a Sunni?Recommend

  • Mehdi

    @Saira:

    yes there is a theological difference between shias and Sunnis. It is a fact. Please tell me in the last 10 years if a single Shia went to a mosque and blew themselves up to save Islam in pakistan.This suicidal jihad mentality is exclusive to extreme Sunni belief. God knows where they got this idea. please don’t patronize me. I live in the west hence I have more information to unbiased literature and reading materials. Recommend

  • Mehdi

    @Saira:

    Extreme salafi/Sunnis are those terrorists belief who are killing shias. Now you got your lucid explanation.Recommend

  • Jat

    Author: Wonderfully written, with facts staring write in the face. Only the ignorant will ignore the reality of it all.Recommend

  • Reality Check

    @jamal:
    what is happening in Syria my dear!Recommend

  • Anonymous

    @Mehdi:

    then who are Irani Hezbollah killing children and women even in shab-e-qadar in Syria!Recommend

  • Mehdi

    @Reality Check:

    We are not discussing about Syria. Why don’t you blog about Syria, then the viewers will provide their view about salafi / Sunni rebellion. Stick to the subject. I can easily digress and talk about Shia persecution all over the world. I hope this answer will be helpful to those who want to discuss about Sunni killings in Syria. Recommend

  • http://bigsaf.newsvine.com bigsaf

    @Anonymous:
    @Reality Check:

    Reality Check, the attempt to lower the population number of the minority Shia Muslims in Pak is probably a textbook case of religious Sunni conservative hardliners who like to justify their rule in numbers.

    And then to deflect and deny the issue relevant to Pakistan, or make a false religious sectarian comparison, as ‘Anonymous’ did with demonizing effect, by throwing in a complicated FOREIGN conflict. We can continue naming atrocities and oppression elsewhere, like Iraq, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, etc but it’ll get Pakistanis no where if they don’t identify the major root of their own problem, which is Wahhabi/Salafi/Deoband/Sunni extremist militancy, which is also recognized globally as a top threat, like Canada, and this is despite Canada’s own opposition to Assad and Hezbollah and hence why they haven’t backed the Syrian and foreign jihadi rebels, who just have a lot of extremists in their ranks, and won’t be swayed by such sectarian rhetoric and polemics given their own Al Qaeda nature and abuses of killing women and children, that too on shab-e-qadar, which even prompted global embassy shutdowns. Everything in relevant context. Recommend

  • http://bigsaf.newsvine.com bigsaf

    @Realist:

    Sectarian oppression and cleansing has a long history in Pakistan, and most notably since the 80’s marked by the Gilgit-Baltistan massacre, also a time of rising state supported militancy for Afghanistan and Kashmir. So its been a Pakistani problem for quite some time of its own making, regardless of the developments in Iran and Saudi Arabia, as it failed to curb it and rather chose a side and embraced such detrimental ideologies.
    Recommend

  • http://bigsaf.newsvine.com bigsaf

    @Tania Jawed:

    Its not a popularity contest. A narrative can be true and false or disagreed on. But in this case its true, awareness needs to be raised and many have intelligently listed their arguments with facts. If you can’t counter with valid intelligent points (which the Sunni Genocide argument is clearly not, highlighting a false basis and ridiculous premise that contradicts reality), not accepting it and deviating from it by repeating debunked ignorance, then yes, questions will arise as to whether you harbour biased motivations of sectarian anti-Shia prejudice against the minority or sympathies for such Wahhabi/Salafi/Deoband/Sunni extremist groups, which unfortunately is a sad reality among some Sunni Muslim Pakistanis. Recommend

  • somebody

    it isn’t called sunni genocide because when sunnis will be killing sunnis .. then that will not be the same as the way shias are killed …. shia genocide is totally based on sectarian discrimination and hatred for shias specifically for their religious beliefs.. with due respect, i wish you all try to track up all the news.. you’ll find sunnis killed on their political beliefs or personal revenge….
    and i have no difference in opinion.agree with @bilalRecommend

  • Burjor Rustomji

    If Pakistan had not come into being, the thousands killed would probably still be alive. We are a most hypocritical nation.Recommend

  • Saira

    @Mehdi:
    Please do explain Extreme Salafi/Sunnis beliefs to me because i think may be I have no information of my beliefs but you do. so please do enlighten me tooRecommend

  • http://bigsaf.newsvine.com bigsaf

    @Saira:

    Are you serious or being coy? You really should read Hasan Mehmood’s comment addressed to you above, and perhaps be more specific in your inquiry. If you still can’t grasp the difference between Sunni moderates and Salafi/Sunni extremists, taking issue of criticisms that correctly acknowledges and names these specific religio-political Pak and global terrorists’ ideologies found through observations, factual evidence and critical analysis of their anti-Shia and other violent jihadi sentiments, wrongly confusing it as an attack on your own beliefs, then I’m sorry, there’s no helping you.Recommend

  • Saira

    @bigsaf:
    You are still just playing with words and as far as Hasan Mehmood’s comment i replied him about that he has no right to take the meaning HE want to make out of my words and he has no right to tag someone as Kafir and jihadi sentiments please do explain those to me please dont play with words this time Recommend

  • Prabhjyot Singh Madan

    Well well well, the topic reminded me of a old saying, ” first they came for the Hindus and Sikhs but I did not care. Then they came for the christains and the ahmadis but I was neither so I did not protest. Then they came for me but there were none left to hear my plight and fight for me”. Personally, all the sects of muslims are treated as Indian muslims here and I have yet to see or hear about a large scale sectarian fight here in india. Really sad, ismailis, ahmadis and shias are a peaceful lot here in india. Even in Kashmir, kargil shias support india and don’t want to leave india. A heartfelt sympathy for your feelings authoress.Recommend