Egypt: A revolution betrayed?

Published: November 30, 2012
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It is the common Egyptian on the street protesting against the decree because he sees it as a return of the Mubarak era. PHOTO: REUTERS

It is the common Egyptian on the street protesting against the decree because he sees it as a return of the Mubarak era. PHOTO: REUTERS It is the common Egyptian on the street protesting against the decree because he sees it as a return of the Mubarak era. PHOTO: REUTERS PHOTO: REUTERS It is the common Egyptian on the street protesting against the decree because he sees it as a return of the Mubarak era. PHOTO: REUTERS It is the common Egyptian on the street protesting against the decree because he sees it as a return of the Mubarak era. PHOTO: REUTERS

Last Thursday, Egypt’s President Mohammed Morsi stupefied the Egyptian public Islamist allies and opposition alike with his new decree granting him sweeping powers that practically make him immune to judicial decisions and gives him near absolute power in constitutional matters.

At the time of writing, Egypt is roiling with mass pro democracy protests that are spreading with the passing of each day. On November 27, 2012, almost 100,000 protesters flocked to Egypt’s iconic Tahrir Square to protest against Morsi’s new decree, which they call a ‘power grab’ and led the Nobel Laureate Opposition leader, Al Baradei to pronounce Morsi as Egypt’s New Pharaoh. The protest sit-in at Tahrir Square still continues.

The decree gives President Morsi the power to proclaim any new law without any hindrance and no challenge could be made to his decisions, not even in the Supreme Court! He also actively banned the judiciary from dissolving the Shura Council (i.e. the Upper House of the Parliament). This has been viewed as a defensive strategy by Morsi to protect the Shura Council from any judicial decisions, seeing that the Supreme Court already dissolved the lower house of Parliament on the premise, that the elections were held on rules that were in contrast to the country’s constitution. That decision pitched Morsi against the judiciary that has remain unchanged since Mubarak’s reign ended in 2011.

Morsi’s new decree also immunises his decisions on “National Sovereignty” from any judicial review until a new assembly is elected early next year. Now what those issues of national sovereignty are, no one from the Morsi camp has been able to satisfactorily explain to the world at large. Most probably, the issues of national sovereignty pertain to his decisions on foreign and domestic affairs like imposition of martial law, severing diplomatic ties with nations and dismissing the cabinet.

He also gives himself the power to tackle any challenge by issuing uncontested decisions to protect any state institutions from performing their functions. This has been interpreted to mean that the president has given himself extensive standby emergency powers, should such a situation arise.

Needless to say, this new decree raised more than just eyebrows. Egypt is up in protest, and this protest seems to have united the hitherto divided and diffused opposition. Although it is the common Egyptian on the street protesting against the decree because he sees it as a return of the Mubarak era and the judiciary, who see it as a blow to their authority,  it is very interesting to note that the protest camp has also seen former military men join the anti-Morsi demonstrations.

In an interesting article in the Washington Post, it has been reported that the mass protests are also being used by anti-Muslim brotherhood elements, notably the liberals, secularists and Mubarak era military officers, to topple Morsi’s Islamist regime. It is important to bear in mind that Morsi faces opposition from the Coptic Church and secularists who claim that the brotherhood dominated constitutional panel does not reflect the pluralistic identity of Egypt. This reason exactly has led to a standoff between Mosri and the opposition (now aided by the judiciary).

From the view point of Morsi, we must remember that from day one, he has been on a quest against ousting Mubarak era officials from any positions of power. So far he has been generally successful since he has effectively sidelined the military officials from interfering in important political decisions. He also removed the Mubarak era prosecutor general, Abdel Maguid Mehmoud, who had infuriated Egyptian revolutionaries, by playing an important role in the acquittal of the Mubarak era officials who were allegedly involved in violent crackdowns against anti-Mubarak protesters.

The implementation of the new constitution, which is the real bone of contention, is the reason given by Mosri for adopting these new powers; which he promises to abandon when the new constitution is passed and the assembly is functioning normally. However, given the fact that Egypt has changed significantly since Mubarak it would have been a fairly large oversight, by President Morsi, if he assumed these powers for himself. In my view, President Morsi granted himself these powers so that the judiciary, with which he has been at loggerheads since the start of his term, does not hinder the implementation of the new constitution.

Despite the allegations by liberals and the church leaders, that Morsi is trying to pave the way for Salafists to come into power, it is worth noting that Morsi has proved to be, so far, not the demon that the western analysts predicted. In fact, his relations with the US have improved since he brokered a ceasefire between Israel and Gaza much to the consternation of Islamist and Jewish right-wingers. It remains to be seen how big a role the US plays in this ongoing drama seeing that ice between the Morsi led government and the US has just started to melt. The White House, given its apparent cold-shouldering of the Islamist regime, has stopped short of denouncing the decree and called for a peaceful solution of the issue.

How this new constitution will shape shape Egypt and play its role in the Middle East is something we will just have to wait and see. At the end of the day, it is a battle between the Islamists and secular opposition for which a solution is extremely pertinent as the success of the Arab-spring depends on how Morsi lets democracy flourish in a post Mubarak Egypt.

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Jamaluddin

Jamaluddin

A student of Information Systems Management at Latrobe University, Melbourne. He tweets @Einsjam (twitter.com/Einsjam)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Saladin

    history tell us that zia also promised elections..Recommend

  • Pessimist

    A well written article. Allow me to give my opinon.

    Although I am not fond of this move, I will reserve my judgement on Mursi for now. Let’s see what he does in about five or six months before we judge him. He did well in the Israel-Gaza conflict so I think he’s on to something. You have correctly mentioned that the judiciary is still pro-Mobarak so this might not be such a bad idea.
    If I recall correctly, Lincoln did a similar thing during the Civil War, where he took total control. But he used it for betterment and revoked his powers after the War. I feel you could have included that in your article.

    To sum up, it’s still too early to pass judgement on Mursi. I suggest the people of Egypt give him atleast half a year. These protests will only harm the country more. Regarding the Islamist roots of the Brotherhood, this party has served the Egyptians well at grassroot levels. Can they do it on a Government scale? The Copt has a valid point, can the MB guarantee the safety of the Copts, who are a persecuted minority. I don’t blame the Liberals and the West for showing concern, let’s be honest, how many Islamist groups actually perform well on an international stage? Recommend

  • Saladin

    @Pessimist: but the fact is that whoever has taken the reins of power in that blatant manner, has always been releuctant to hand them over, case in point, Turkey’s Tayeb Erdogan, of course they all do it in the best interest of the country but then they set up a chain of events that makes it impossible for them to forego the powers that have assumed.

    one can only hope for the bestRecommend

  • Shab Al Bakistani

    He is Hosni Mubarak with a beard, even more loyal to his western masters as witnessed in Gaza conflict. There should not remain any doubt that he is just a replacement to Hosni Mubarak, selected by the colonialists. Muslims of Egypt should realize that man made systems of dictatorship and democracy can never liberate them. The solution is only in the Khilafah State. Their demands should be clear, should not be an inch less than Caliphate!Recommend

  • Saladin

    @Shab Al Bakistani: khalifah state belongs in Cairo Museum not in a modern worldRecommend

  • Ali Arif

    if morsi had kept a balanced constitutent body for developing the new constitution and not a brotherhood dominated panel then this situation might not have risen, he so far has succeeded in uniting -and which the writer has absolutely correctly pointed out- the so far divided opposition now the copts liberals seculars pro mubarak and military are against the MB….disaster of leadership i call that Recommend

  • akt

    Morsi it is not that eazy . Only a secular Egypt will survive .Recommend

  • Usmani

    Faith in E.T restored. Very well researched and unbiased article. people who write ET op eds should learn from this writer.Recommend

  • Bilal

    that is exactly the problem with our muslim world leaders….instead of dialogues and negotiations they always take the extremist route. Arab Spring TaintedRecommend

  • Pessimist

    For Saladin:

    You are true but I also mentioned Lincoln. As I say, let’s give him time. Egypt is a new democracy, it will only learn from such mistakes. If Mursi fails than he will leave and a new leader will come. It’s how democracy works (ideally).

    For Shab Al Bakistani:

    What is with some Muslims & the Khilafat? Do you have any idea what it is or is it some secret fantasy you lot think about to excite yourself? How would it work? Where would the headquarters be? Who will be the leader? Muslims are fighting with each other all over the world and you expect them to form a Khilafat? Silly, delusional, mindless, intoxicated lad you are….Recommend

  • Liberal PK

    Mursi loves the Kursi …is there any power that can stop human greed?Recommend

  • Revolutionary Kaptaan

    give him a chance , i believe that his credentials as a honest politician are terrific i agree with the writer that he cant be so stupid to actually take those dictatorial powers knowing that the Egyptian public has just over thrown husni mubarakRecommend

  • Ayesha Ahad

    Muhammad Mursi Mubarak Recommend

  • Saladin

    @Pessimist:

    sir, even though the civil war raged, Lincoln had a strong constitutional structure on his back..mursi doesnt and thats why he can make use of it…and to think tht if he will abdicate office on a trivial matter as “failure” to effectively govern is naive. Recommend

  • MalikJee

    He may be sincere. But exceptional temporary measures in Egypt have a history of becoming permanent.Recommend

  • Kashif

    looks like the judiciary in egypt is copying our pakistani judiciary…..so much hopes from arab spring ..now being destroyedRecommend

  • Ameer Tareen

    Cmon Mursi …you are our hero !! dont worry about jewish and illuminatti propaganda .. Implementation of Shariah should remain your number one priorityRecommend

  • laughing stock

    Pro mubarak and pro usa fake liberals are plotting against Murai juat becaise he belongs to the Muslim Brotherhood. Condemnable !!!Recommend

  • Pessimist

    For Saladin:

    You are correct but like I said, let’s give him time. I have expressed my displeasure at the initial move, but I will reserve my final judgement until a few months. I pray Musli uses these powers sensibly.Recommend

  • Only Waris

    @Pessimist:
    its a conspiracy by the jewish israelis and christian usa people against mursi who wants to enforce sahriah and sunnah in Egypt after years of sinful rule by mubarak…the indecent western parties at sharm ul shaikh etc must stop !Recommend

  • Mohd nor

    All are very biased in their arguments, not academic at allRecommend

  • Something Clever

    @Revolutionary Kaptaan:
    Your gullibility shows in both your comment and name. Though the name got an actual laugh out of me.Recommend

  • akt

    @ Passimist , Means methods and mind moulds the destiny . Indications are very clear . Future of dear Egyptians seems to me ,uncertain . Only a secular state has bright future to be an integral part of the secular world order .Recommend

  • Rex Minor

    Mr Salaudin

    Even ET takes its time to moderate, approve and release bloggers comments.

    Mr Mursi is the new Caesar not only for Egypt but the entire arab world and the Ummah. He is not the revolution, but a caretaker who was elected by those who have started the arab spring revolution. The revolutions have their hiccups and teething problems and can take decades, but no power on earth can now stop the arab revolution, which will follow more or less the course of renaissance in Europe and serve the purpose of Aufklarung of Islam and bring freedom, dignity and justice for all regardless of their ethnic and religious divide.

    It is not a coincidence that the Engineer Mursi with his Phd is heading peoples revolution and if he fails despite his use of Engineering skill in realising the dreams of millions, then the force of revolutions will smoke him out of his office and this I pray that should not happen!

    Rex MinorRecommend

  • Rex Minor

    Mursi must show to the world that Sharia laws are those which are approved by the majority of the legislators in a muslim country. They must not be regressive and should conform to the values of the Ibrahimic faith. Most European constitutions reflect these values and are incorporated in UNO human rights.

    The perception that Sharia implies itroduction of 7th century laws is a misinterpret, and lacks healthy common sense.

    Rex MinorRecommend

  • Parvez

    Morsi should never have have got his hands on the booklet ‘ How to become Amir-ul-Momineen ‘ by Nawaz Shareef.
    On a more serious note, excellent and balanced write up.Recommend

  • faqir

    Unfortunate that it always happens in the muslim worldRecommend

  • Illuminati Girl

    Well that was fairly unsurprising given the fact that egypt is experiencing democracy for the first . time in like a century…old habits take time to go away. Congratulations to ET for finally publishing an unbiased and informative blog for a change.Recommend

  • Umair

    Our jamatis were very happy at mursi winning presidency..singing his praises alll the time..and now …haha too embarrassed . Al the islamist parties make a joke of themselves in the end.Recommend

  • wahabbi kababi

    Apparently there are people in Muslim Brotherhood who believe that holocaust didnt happen and 9/11 was an inside job, tht explains it allRecommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com Anoop

    Islamists usually thrive when there is political uncertainty. This happened in 1940s in India. It is happening in Egypt and Pakistan and Ethiopia and other places today!

    The overall trend in the Muslim world is that the countries lean towards a Islamic Govt. This happens mainly because of the political nature of the Islamic ideology, its importance for power and obedience from its members.

    In Iran the Shah was thrown out and replaced by the Mullahs who went ahead and implemented the Sharia. Similar thing happened in Afghanistan and a movement is in motion Pakistan for the same. All Muslim majority countries, unless ruled by iron-clad Constitutions which prefer Democracy and Secularism, are doomed to follow the Islamic path. Egypt is no different.Recommend

  • laughing stock

    The writer is a fake liberal …Mursi and Shariah FTWRecommend

  • atta

    In the words of Plato

    humain to apnon ney maara, ghairon main kiya dum tha Recommend

  • Awan

    it is all western propaganda, egyptian muslims are behind president mursi, it is a conpiracy by the foes of Islam, so that they the democratic process in an Islamic country can be undermined Recommend

  • Captain Nemo

    its wat he does next counts…the assembly is going to form in january, hopefully all the secular and satanist pro americans would be kicked out and egypt can again be a proper peaceful countryRecommend

  • Decent Muslim

    why do they forget that Karma is gonna come back and hit them very hard Recommend

  • Rex Minor

    According to a pole more than 75% Egyptians support today Mr Mursi! o democratic leader in the west enjoys this popularity inspite of his difficult mission to implement the ideals of the youth revolution and intransigence of the defacto leadership of the opposition.

    I like the soft and sweet accent of the arabic laguage the Egyptians speak, as well as the clear, crisp and direct syle of Mursi, when he addresses the USA, Israel and the world what is ot acceptable to muslims, and therefore I genuinely wish that he succeeds. I am wary of people like Musa and Baradai, who have brought distractions but nothing positive for the world.
    Appeasment gives fuel to violence.

    Rex MinorRecommend

  • Karachi Insafian

    Morsi is trying to pave the way for Salafists to come into power, it is worth noting that Morsi has proved to be, so far, not the demon that the western analysts predicted. In fact, his relations with the US have improved since he brokered a ceasefire between Israel and Gaza much to the consternation of Islamist and Jewish right-wingers.

    Sir Jamal, epic analysis. Please do op-eds.Recommend

  • Rex Minor

    Call them salafists or wahabists, ahmadist or alawist and others, or just plain sunnis or shias, and regardless of their political interpretations of the religion as long as they accept holy Quran as divine and follow the lead of Mohammad(pbuh), the last Prophet of God on earth, then let no one hold any grudge against these different groups in the muslim community of Egypt who are the majority together. This in no way should belittle the righs and privileages of those, who are coptic christians or other faiths and are put into the group of minorities, which neither the holy books nor the concept of democracy supports it. This is the 11th hour not only for Egypt democracy but also for other muslim countries of the world.
    How much of our thoughts and actions are controlled by the geist(mind and soul) with which we are born with and how much our brain can realisticaly influence our decisions, it is difficult to estimate. But one thing is sure that the destiny of Egypt is at the end in the hands of the almighty one who controls the universe.

    Rex MinorRecommend

  • Jack

    @Pessimist:
    Cannot agree anymore with you. Thats the nail in the coffin. Democracy is about society that forms its and that Egypt is having difficulty is not surprising. There is strong religious element in its society that will not allow democracy to take roots-democracy needs sacrifice of religious afflictions to a certain degree-Many sane ones do not see this happening in Islamic world. May be some other form of govt is needed-with lesser goals in mind. Recommend

  • HADI SAKEY

    Morsi is an opportunist like all other Islamists. He will ruin the movemenet. The poor Egyptians will have to arrange another movement at Al Tahrir Square to remove this leech Morsi who has deceived the masses in the name of Islam. Like it or nor Brotherhood is a failed political party and believes in extremism. Give him six months your will see the real mettle. Egypt will be stuck and remain mired in the mud.Recommend

  • laughing stock

    Imran khan might be the next mursi….u never knowRecommend

  • Super Jutt

    Its a conspiracy against islam. Yes .Recommend

  • Mustafa Moiz

    @Anoop:
    Why are Indians the experts on Islam and the Muslim world? They act as though they’re all objective, all the time, relentlessly pushing forward the belief that Islam is a negative factor of society.Recommend

  • Karachi Insafian

    @Mustafa Moiz:

    agree with this. One feels that they take pleasure in witnessing any trouble our ummah is in. Let us not forget that the conspiracy against Ummah can only be hatched who are against it. New Delhi, Tel Aviv and Washington are the axis of evilRecommend

  • Special Guy

    So much for the “Arab Spring” more lie Arab Winter………..Nuclear Winter tbhRecommend

  • Mehtab

    Morsi wants to protect the arab spring. plz do not think that he wants to become a dictator. He wants to save it from dollar worshipping judges and army. its a cosnpiracy hatched by the enemies of IslamRecommend

  • Pink Panther

    we have to ask ourselves. how did egypt reach this point. something wrong with the culture??Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com Anoop

    @Mustafa Moiz:

    You don’t need to be an expert on Islam to tell that Pakistan was a basically Islamic movement. The party which asked for was named Muslim League, how different is it from Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt?

    I am not claiming to be an Islamic expert but a good observer of world politics and trends. There are 2 Billion Christians in the world, 1 Billion Hindus, Muslims 1.4. Just compare the number of violent attacks in the name of Religion in all the three cases, you will have the answer why I said so.

    Instead of looking at my comment objectively, you opt to call me prejudiced. For once, try to forget my name is Anoop and try to state why my opinion is wrong?Recommend

  • yasir iqbal

    i think Morsi is doing right .Anyone comes in power will do the same like Morsi. Power is an addication and it can mad to anyone????Recommend

  • laughing stock

    @Anoop:
    So u say tht muslims are reaponsible for violent attacks thru out history right?? I can only pity your education….u forget the crusades…inquisition..witch hunt…dreyfus affair..world wars ..hitler!!! Veitnam war !! Iraq war !! How dare you sir to brand us as the source of evil…come.out of your bollywood dreamland and start learning real historyRecommend

  • Mustafa Moiz

    @Anoop:
    The world’s most dangerous terrorist organization was the LTTE, whose members were Hindus. If they had been Muslims, they would have been called a thousand times worse than Al Qaida. I have always looked at your comments objectively, but you, and many others, have that snide tone that infuriates me.
    So you’re comparing the Muslim League to the Muslim Brotherhood? Well, I’d firstly like to say that, even though I don’t like them, the Muslim Brotherhood is not the worst thing in the world, if they are thriving right now its because for decades they have been the most active voice against Mubarak, and have been persecuted for it. But comparing the League with the Muslim Brotherhood is just ridiculous, and I’m not surprised its you who has made the comparison. Look at the visionaries behind the Muslim League, and compare them with the man whose ideology has sculpted the Muslim Brotherhood. Secondly, look at politics in the subcontinent, and compare them with those in Egypt.
    The men whose beliefs influenced the Muslim League were learned men, who believed in Western education, and modernization of Islam. These were not men who believed in enforcing the veil, or implementing the Shariah, they believed in parliamentary democracy. Sir Syed Ahmad Khan, Allama Iqbal, they didn’t believe in taking the Muslim community back to tenth century Baghdad, they believed in bringing them into the future, their models were England and other European countries. Now look at Syed Qutb, what were his beliefs? He believed in going back to the seventh century, anything Western was evil, he wanted to force Shariah on the people, he was a religious extremist not unlike a fellow Egyptian, Ayman al Zawahiri.
    Now lets look at how the politics of their regions shaped these parties. In the subcontinent, the Hindus were the majority, the Muslims a minority who had been on the back foot, and feared being overwhelmed by the Hindus. So, like many groups have done throughout history, they organized, and they attempted to ensure adequate representation of Muslims in the politics of the subcontinent. The question is, how were men like Sir Syed Ahmad Khan or Allama Iqbal, who wrote a famous poem on India, or Mohammed Ali Jinnah, who was called the ambassador of Hindu Muslim unity, forced to change their stance so dramatically? Events from the other group, the Hindus, forced them to. Compare that to the Muslim Brotherhood, in a country with a huge majority of Muslims, they were shaped by anti-colonialism, reactionary ideologies, even, though they would never accept it, by Arab nationalism.
    You’re just comparing the two because they both have Muslim in their name. Please try and be a little more objective when you analyze something.Recommend

  • Rex Minor

    @Mustafa Moiz:
    Muslim league and muslim brotherhood had one thing in common; is the muslim majority better protected in a godless state or an Islamic state? Have a ice day.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com Anoop

    @laughing stock:

    “So u say tht muslims are reaponsible for violent attacks thru out history right?? “

    I’ll be grateful if you provide exact quotes where I say throughout History violence is perpetrated only by Muslims.

    “How dare you sir to brand us as the source of evil”

    Evil? When i did call Islam or Muslims evil?

    All I did say was Islam is a very political Religion and most Muslim majority countries are doomed to follow the Islamic path. Few years ago Turkey seemed immuned to the above hypothesis, sadly I am being proven correct.

    Are you implying Islamic way is evil? Or, Sharia is a evil law? Certainly I didn’t say that!Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com Anoop

    @Mustafa Moiz:

    I see that my comment to you has not been published. Is it that wrong to quote Jinnah?

    I’ll try to keep this one brief. I’ll club many topics to avoid being censored again.

    ML, MB, Jinnah, Secularism, No option for ML but to ask for Pakistan:

    On one occasion addressing of the Civil, Naval, Military and Air Force Officers at Khaliqdina Hall Karachi on 11th October 1947 he said,

    “It is my belief that our salvation
    lies in following the golden rules of
    conduct set for us by our great
    law-giver, the Prophet of Islam. Let
    us lay the foundations of our
    democracy on the basis of true Islamic
    ideals and principles”.

    There you have it. Is there any other law apart from Sharia law? So was Jinnah in favour of Sharia? Isn’t that what the TTP and LeJ and others are fighting for?

    Lets not even go into Two Nation Theory. Too easy.

    In his concluding speech at the session of All-India Muslim League, Karachi on 26th December 1943, Jinnah said,

    “What is it that keeps the Muslims
    united as one man, and what is the
    bedrock and sheet-anchor of the
    community. It is Islam. It is the
    Great Book, Quran, that is the
    sheet-anchor of Muslim India. I am
    sure that as we go on there will be
    more and more of oneness, one God, one
    Book, one Prophet and one Nation

    Need I say more about Jinnah. If the head of ML can say such religiously charged stuff before and after the creation of Pakistan, can you really call them standing for secular principles?

    Remember Direct Action day called by Jinnah where 5000 people died in a few days of riots in Muslim dominated Bengal? Jinnah had said,

    “We shall have India divided or we
    shall have India destroyed.”

    http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/2012/03/28/how-pakistan-is-good-for-india/

    This is how he started Direct Action day when Nehru said he will not let India be divided into 3 parts, which each part having the freedom to claim independence after 10 short years. Bengalis asked for separation only 24 years after Partition. Nehru made sure India did not end up “moth eaten”.

    http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/2011/10/23/the-legacy-of-gandhi-nehru-vs-legacy-of-jinnah/

    Jinnah said champions of Freedom, Equality and Non-violence – Gandhi and Nehru were Religiously oriented and wanted out. Need I say why the world looks toward Gandhi and Nehru for inspiration but not Jinnah?

    MB can easily morph into a violent, Religiously charged movement just like ML. Want to bet?Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com Anoop

    @Mustafa Moiz:

    Regarding LTTE being a Hindu Organisation:

    LTTE is as much a Hindu Organisation as Balochi Insurgents are a Muslim one. You are twisting facts to suit your needs.

    In India LTTE drawn support from a variety of Religions in Tamil Nadu, even Christians and Muslims. For instance, former CM of Tamil Nadu, who is a famous atheist, supports the Tamil movement, if not the LTTE.

    You took a group who base their politics on Language and Ethnicity, like the Balochis do, and turned them into a Hindu group. All just to prove to me that Hinduism is political in nature like Islam.

    A Temple was demolished in Pakistan today. How many Muslims will be attacked in India, like Hindus were attacked in Pakistan after Babri Masjid fell? Or, how many Hindu Terror blasts will happen in Pakistan, like Mumbai blasts in 1993 citing revenge, killing about 200 people? Recommend

  • laughing stock

    @Anoop:

    Simply put Jinnah said, ” make no mistake, Pakistan is not a theocracy” ..now the rest of your argument is henceforth invalid.Recommend

  • Batman

    Some indians have a visceral hatred of Pakistan…dont know whyRecommend

  • Saladin

    Still waiting for Anoop to bring in some impressive counter statements and facts, all of which are eventually proven to be irrelevantRecommend

  • Rex Minor

    O’h Egypt, the ancient land of Pharaohs and Cleopetra, Musa and Yousaf, the land which encompasses the Sinai and the Nile, the passage way to serve the billions of the world, is now facing the Evil, the grand child of the once powerful High Priest of the pharaoh’s and the illegitimate child of the Royal household. ElBaradai was the one who facilitated George W war in Iraq by not giving a clean bill on nuclear capability, and Abu Musa the once righthand person of Mubarak and later the General secretary of the Arab League who prevented any sanctions against Israel. They are the ones who under the roof of liberalism and with the help of the ow dismissed Prosecutor are opposing the way forward for the republic to the building of the constitution with a referendum/direct democracy. If Morsi were to give in now then we have a deja vous. No, I do ot believe that any human can now put a stop to the cosmic process which is now in process from Tunisia to Egypt to the arabian land to south east Asia, the process of renaissance and enlightenment of Islam and humanism.

    Rex MinorRecommend

  • Rex Minor

    Anoop,

    You seem to be a nice person living cosily in your small world. Let me invite you to visit Europe and witness the remnants of the battles and wars which were fought on the European soil before christianity and renaissance and those which took place after enlightenment namely the thirty years war, the ww1 and ww2. Romans, Bezantnians and Habsburgers, Napolian, Hitler, Mussolini, churchil, stalin among others are the names that no history student can forget. Let us leave the new comer in the premium league namely the Imperial America which has never won a single war on their own but has created more misery for the civilian populatio than the warriors barbarians in the past, now turning into killing the children with umanned drones. Drive over to verdun in France today and you will not miss to see the scattered bones of unknown soldiers i the green wheet fields. On your way back make a stopover in mangolia, the land of Changez Khan whose palace no longer exists but the mangols massacres in the the lands from medetranian to atlantic to pacific before they voluntarily accepted the faith of Islam is not forgotten.

    Have a nice day.

    Rex MinorRecommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com Anoop

    @Rex Minor:

    You talk about History, of wars, of genocides of the West, of Central asia. Forget all that.

    Just tell me the number of violent, Religiously motivated attacks on people in the West or India in this year.

    I can name 20 instances from Pakistan alone.

    If you like History, why not talk about the 3 Million genocide thats happened 4 decades ago of Bengalis by Pakistanis?

    If you want to talk about the present why not take note of the Syrian massacre thats happening right now as we speak?

    What I am getting to is, not all ideologies are similar. Buddhism is centred around non-violence. Islam is politically oriented, which makes susceptible to violent interpretations.

    Egypt will go the Islamic way.

    @Everyone else: My comments are being severely censored. But, I will not change the way I write. I will write what I think is right, not because ET blog editors wont approve it.Recommend

  • Deb;India

    @Anoop

    ‘I have always looked at your comments objectively, but you, and many others, have that snide tone that infuriates me.’
    It was to you from @Mustafa Moiz who I believe is a Pakistani. Like him I also look at your comments objectively. I find your posts mostly objective, factual and conclusions agreeable. It is another matter that on a few ocasssions I could not agree with your analysis.or conclusion. I think that is healthy in a discussion.
    But like him I also feel uncomfortable with the ‘snide tone’ that the comments are dispensed with. Apart from the fact that it takes the sting out of an well articulated arguement, it also takes the focus away from the issue in hand.
    Is it not possible to argue without claiming the higher moral ground?
    Is it too much to be humble when one is right (in his arguement)?
    I ask you, because I value your contributions on these pages. Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com Anoop

    @Deb;India:

    I am happy that I never can be accused of lying and my comments seem objective to the neutral observer.

    But, the way I speak can be interpreted as arrogance, I agree. I can’t promise to change, but I will try to peddle a softer line.

    What I will never do is change my opinions to suit the crowd and dumb down my comments, even if it means ET will not publish it. I am addressing the editors, not you, here.

    Thanks, though, Deb. Recommend

  • Rex Minor

    @Anoop:
    I have answered your post and asked if you could quote one from twenty which is related with religion? ET is slow and this interrupts thoughts and one is not sure about their X policy either.Recommend

  • Deb;India

    @Anoop

    A very sincere thanks for your kind response..Recommend