From Osama to Qaddafi: Grieving for the rest of the world

Published: October 26, 2011

Lawyers in Lahore offered funeral prayers for the man hated so vehemently by his own people that when an overzealous freedom fighter saw him captured, he couldn’t control himself and shot him dead. PHOTO: REUTERS

Pakistanis are one of the most compassionate nations in the world, it seems, for whenever anyone dies anywhere in the Muslim world, a group of Pakistanis will gather to pray for the departed soul.

However, there is a special requirement to qualify to be prayed for in Pakistan: you must have killed and tortured thousands and be recognised as a tyrant the world over. A case in point is that of al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden, for whom not only funerals in absentia were organised, University of Punjab students even held a competition to pay tribute to ‘Sheikh Osama’.

Admittedly the man died in Pakistan, but he was a Saudi-born terrorist who caused intense suffering and loss of human lives in many countries, including Pakistan. Ironically, Pakistanis still insisted on praying for the salvation of his soul. What is more upsetting is that even Saudi Arabia had disowned him — his nationality was revoked in 1994 — but we Pakistanis, who had absolutely no connection with the man for a good part of our existence, decided to only harbour him and have hundreds of Pakistanis killed like sacrificial lambs, we also decided to ‘honour’ his memory and pray for the ‘departed soul’. And now comes the funeral of Libyan dictator and tyrant-in-chief Muammar Qaddafi — the man hated so vehemently by his own people that when an overzealous freedom fighter saw him captured, he couldn’t control himself and shot him dead. Although Pakistan enjoyed a great bilateral relationship with Qaddafi-ruled Libya, particularly in the 1970s, this is certainly no reason why Pakistanis should be organising his funeral in absentia.

But the most intelligent and honourable amongst us, those whose sense of justice the common citizen is supposed to put his/her faith in, obviously disagree. On October 25, a group of lawyers gathered at the GPO Chowk outside the Lahore High Court to say funeral prayers for Qaddafi.

I ask these assiduous, pious Pakistanis: what stops you from organising funerals in absentia for your own brethren when they are killed in bomb blasts, drone strikes, sectarian violence and target killings? Although innocent and hence worthy of much more respect than the souls of these tyrants they pray for, are these Pakistanis any less deserving of salvation?

Zainab.Imam

Zainab Imam

A journalist, on a hiatus to pursue a Masters in Public Policy at The University of Chicago. Gender parity advocate, urban policy enthusiast. She tweets @zainabimam (twitter.com/zainabimam) and blogs at gulaabjamun.wordpress.com

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Nauman zahid

    madam your research is very limited, gets your facts straightened, If Qadaffi was such a scum was he was buried in an oblivion location????, any answer for that?? i do agree with you, our society is immensely callous. Recommend

  • IHM

    9/11 was an inside job.
    Osama bin Laden and Qaddafi were muslims. Praying anyones namaz-e-janazh is a good deed and you get a lot of sawab for it.
    NATO, US and EU attacked Libya only because of it’s oil. It’s true that qaddafi ruled for 43 years but he provided his citizens with a lot of privileges and they were generally happy with him.
    Videos have surfaced in which it has been proved that NATO was killing innocent civilians. Ambulance drivers have said that they were shot at by NATO choppers.

    A mass funeral prayer should be organized regularly for INNOCENT people killed in drone attacks and other terrorist attacks.Recommend

  • laieq

    There is lot difference b/w Qaddafi & Osama he was CIA ASSETS american bogyman and does’nt deserve any sympathy infact he harm Pakistan nand whole muslim nation alot.Though qaddafi was dioctator he supressed his opponent there was no freedom of speech but it happenes thorugh out arab world from UAE TO SAUDI ARAB all are dictators. In qaddafi era Libya was debt free country, people were living with high quality of life even better than European american and western world..Only reason for NATO to get Libyan oil resources for this puprpose they have planted alqaeeda terrorists in form of NTC for there vested intrests.It is not going to be over soon enough. Like Iraq and Afghanistan it is going to stretch into years and maybe decades until Libya is reduced to ruins. All to be rebuilt by Greedy Western Companies and to take over Oil reserves.I dont have any sympathy for qaddafi but whats the replacement for libyan in post qaddafi eara infrastructure of country has been famaged NATO has heavily distributed weapons to libyans so that kids are playing with guns..Its a lawless land at the moment ? what that revolutuon just to plant mercenaries with extremist agenda ?
    http://www.infowars.com/al-qaeda-lifg-leader-abdul-belhaj-writes-column-for-guardian/Recommend

  • NA

    Simply put, yet so wonderfully true! Well writtenRecommend

  • M Ali Khan

    @IHM:
    yes and Pakistanis have made it a mission to out-Muslim the Muslim Ummah.

    Too much spare time on your hands rather than brains!Recommend

  • GH

    Ms Imam,
    I am sure you would attend the prayer of OBL if he would die fighting against Russian during Af Russian War!! I am sure you would Pray for Gaddafi if he would die in an American Hospital of a heart attack,
    I am sure you appreciated the way he killed by the So called Liberation Army.
    I am sure you appreciated the way Israeli’s Killed Palestinian Every day!!

    I don’t know what is the criteria of ET for selecting a blog to be published.Recommend

  • Ali Hasan

    Excellent points that desperately need recognitionRecommend

  • http://lonepkliberal.wordpress.com Loneliberal PK

    A fantastic piece!

    Pakistanis are in a habit of mindlessly defending anybody with the title “Muslim” attached to him. We’re in the business of praising or harbouring all kinds of terrorists, tyrants and gosh-forsaken degenerates out of what we call “Islamic brotherhood”.

    Stand up for truth first, and your “Muslim” brethren second.Recommend

  • Paras Vikmani

    Libyans themselves hate him but Pakistanis are different species.Recommend

  • Ali Siddiqui

    I wonder if you could realize the fact that US and Allied Forces have killed thousands of innocent men, women and children in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan and now in Libya just to get hold of a few tyrants, brutal and blood-thirsty people, like Osama, Saddam, and Gaddafi. Still they are merciful and kind to the humanity and democrats. :-(Recommend

  • MarkH

    @IHM:
    I do hope that was professionally applied sarcasm. If not, you’re completely out of your mind.Recommend

  • waqqas iftikhar

    @IHM – annual oil revenues of US$ 32bn for a population of 6 million, yet unemployment was over 30%….is that the kind of economic progress qaddafi ‘blessed’ his populace with? and what about the murder of student protest leaders in Libya in the 80s who were hung from lamp-posts in city centres?

    and for all the jingo bum-wielding pakistanis, his son saif-al-islam (irony of a name if there ever was) rocked up at the UN with a treasure trove of evidence of how AQ khan provided them with ‘bum-making’ stuff…Recommend

  • Sid

    Err, exactly what I would expect here. By that standard, Pakistanis should be praying for Bush when he dies, he has massacred many more in Iraq and Afghanistan than any other “tyrant”. Whatever the case with Qadhafi, killing and then treating a dead body of a human like they did is lame, horrible, unjustifiable and as per the Holy Grail that the Western culture has become for us, illegal under international law. Humanity is dead for sure when we have debates on why a nation prayed for a dead man. Ha.Recommend

  • Sid

    Oh, and I’d also like to say praying for a dead man is not wrong by any standard. This argument is like saying “you fast, but why dont you keep a beard?” Praying is not a bad deed, and you cannot blame people for doing one good deed just because they didnt do another.Recommend

  • sana u llah khan

    you are rightRecommend

  • Eamon

    childish article really, lots of bang and boom but as is normally the case which such articles no substance, something ironic about someone as self rightous as the writer to be preaching and labelling other people self rightous. well enjoy the ill-bought publicity which was probably the whole reason of the article as evidenced by that absolutely ridiculous headline.Recommend

  • Mustafa Moiz

    Qaddafi was definitely a tyrant, but he was by far better than the NTC of Benghazi, who asked foreigners to bomb their country just so they could get power. It wasn’t a revolution, it was simply a power struggle for Tripoli.Recommend

  • Mustafa Moiz

    “…the man hated so vehemently by his own people that when an overzealous freedom fighter saw him captured, he couldn’t control himself and shot him dead…”

    So when someone gets murdered, its the victim’s fault, since obviously he had made himself so hated to the murderer that he couldn’t control himself and killed him? Also, by your logic, the American people who died on 9/11 shouldn’t be mourned because they’d made themselves so hated to bin Laden’s terrorists? We could apply that logic to Pakistanis killed by drones, Iraqis and Afghanis, and Chechens killed in Russia.Recommend

  • Secular Pakistani

    yeh u r rite … Pakistanis also gathered to pray for the departed sould of Benazir bhutto despite that she looted the country and was leader of a party which is destroying pakistan … and if we pakistanis can still vote for these scums then osama and qaddafi were much better then these scum bags ………… atleast they killed thousands not millions Recommend

  • Amir Ali

    I am sorry your knowledge about the issue is extremely lacking. The Muslim community was treated as a whole (read:terrorists) after Osama Bin Laden’s alleged act. Similarly, many innocent died in the NATO bombing on the pretext of killing Qaddafi. So if the Muslims have to collectively deal with the ramifications of individual acts, then might as well pray for those who have put us in that positionRecommend

  • http://bigsaf.newsvine.com bigsaf

    Ah…the tears Pakistanis shed for brutal men. Did not know about the Punjab University students…fine education. Same education that leads our lawyers to shout ‘And all hail Mumtaz Qadri’…

    Don’t forget Saddam….apparently his execution ruined a lot of Pakistanis’ Eids…even though he ruined a lot of Eids for a lot of Iraqi families (but-but-the US I hate more, so I will support a psychopath criminal! So what if he killed Muslims too…he is not the US!)…tears for a crocodile or crocodile tears or just crocodiles?!

    Only country whose citizens prefer dictatorships over democracy…apparently when Pakistani citizens talk about ‘true Sharia’ they’re talking about either unaccountable Taliban theocracies or secular dictatorships with very Muslim names, or at least shout out something Islamic on a megaphone, even if it’s blasphemous like Gaddafi’s lunatic rants (being a lunatic also helps with getting a following in Pakistan, who’ll see it as ‘charisma’!).

    Oh and being perceived as Anti-West is a HUGE plus…even if you shut-down mosques, sold out Pakistan, were pro-West and are now just getting deposed by them, you’ll become an instant Muslim hero thanks to our famed amnesia and revisionist myth making…we’ll throw in a conspiracy to cover you to boot! Recommend

  • http://bigsaf.newsvine.com bigsaf

    @Nauman zahid:

    If Qadaffi was such a scum was he was buried in an oblivion location????, any answer for that??

    Unfortunately a few Gaddafi loyalist Libyans, like some Pakistanis seem to value such scum as ‘saints’ despite massive evidence to the contrary.

    While we may tolerate such extremist stupidity as Namaz-e-Janazah’s for a criminal murdering terrorist like OBL in Pakistan, other nations don’t allow for such toxicity and praising for dictators, terrorists or criminals.

    They’ve learned lessons from Iraq. Despite Saddam being a brutal dictator against most Iraqis, his burial turned into a shrine at his hometown, whom he favoured over the expense of other Iraqis. Like Saddam in Tikrit, Gaddafi had minority loyalists in Sirte and two other towns. Recommend

  • Parvez

    Nicely thought out and presented.
    I think the answer lies in the fact that we are an emotionally driven people, easily swayed by rhetoric fed to us by vested interests especially where religion or politics is involved.
    We have not matured enough to realise that many a time it is best to remain neutral.Recommend

  • http://bigsaf.newsvine.com bigsaf

    @IHM:

    Osama bin Laden and Qaddafi were muslims. Praying anyones namaz-e-janazh is a good deed and you get a lot of sawab for it.

    Many Muslims consider OBL a terrorist criminal, a Kharjite or employ Takfir by declaring him non-Muslim. If you were praying namaz-e-janazah for someone else, his ideology would justify sending a young suicide-bomber child against you and the Jamaat, including children in it simply if your Imam, or whom you were praying for or any of your practitioners were found opposing them or having relations with the US, or were of a minority Muslim sect, all while he sat cozy hiding on your bloodied soil.

    Qaddafi was a brutal dictator who also blasphemed. If you were a conservative who liked to pray too much, Qaddafi’s secret police wouldn’t consider that a good ‘sawab’ but instead lock you up for suspicion of being an Islamic extremist, as in the case of one man who was locked up for 8 years without trial and then released by the NTC. But I guess getting bribe money from the government is a privilege over Namaz or having the right to assemble peacefully for a democratic government instead of you know, being shot including air strikes on a city as collective punishment.

    If that’s your idea of a ‘good Muslim’ then go ahead and ignore their atrocities against other Muslims and ruining our Islamic name.

    Why don’t you really just come out with it and say what really bugs you that NATO did something, and that your anti-West obsession trumps all other considerations. Recommend

  • rex minor

    The lady author obviously does not know what Ummah is, nor does she know that civilised humans have always shown solidarity and paid homage to dead.( Target assasinations and killings by drones or extra judicial summary killings are illegal and violate human rights and the charter of the UNO).. This has nothing to do with being a Pakistani or not. I am definitely not a Pakistani and regard all those who do not show respect for the dead as nothing more than ancient pagans living in caves, barbarians and terrorists, without any exception. Those Pakistanis or others who prayed for Mr Bin laden or Col Gadafi said prayers to soothe their own soul and to show feelings for the berieved familities of these people and not to please the dead human torso. We are all civilised and live in 21st century and thank God not in the USA where according to UNO report every five hours an innocent child dies on account of abuse in the house..

    Rex MinorRecommend

  • http://bigsaf.newsvine.com bigsaf

    @Amir Ali:

    The Muslim community was treated as a whole (read:terrorists) after Osama Bin Laden’s alleged act. Similarly, many innocent died in the NATO bombing on the pretext of killing Qaddafi. So if the Muslims have to collectively deal with the ramifications of individual acts, then might as well pray for those who have put us in that position

    I don’t understand…are you saying that you’ll pray for them…out of spite?

    That you’ll pray for them because they put you in that situation?! HOW?!

    Why? Why would you want to accept that collective label in the first place and act out to be something you’re not? Aren’t you simply just proving their point and being childish?

    OBL owned up to the atrocity himself. Why does this not register? You know practicing Muslims condemn the act, hence makes him a criminal and we should fight criminals everywhere, and if they label you wrongly you should strongly debunk them.

    Why do you not recognize the innocents Gaddafi was killing amidst an Arab uprising and even Arab and Muslim governments wanted him gone?! But again, it’s your anti-West spite, reactionary emotions clouding reason and failure to take the right ethical actions.

    This tells me more of the weak collective will and reasoning, rather than individual acts. Recommend

  • Ayub Ahmed

    very limited research……. you should recognize the efforts of qaddafi for pakistanRecommend

  • Cynical

    @ GH
    Qaddafi arranged a very dignified funeral arrangement for the passengers of Pan Am Flight 103 on 21st December, 1988.Recommend

  • M.

    My sentiments exactyl!! Excellent article!Recommend

  • Sabih

    Madam ji,

    Your information probably comes from corporate western media. Gaddafi enjoys the majority support in Libya, and he was not a tyrant from any perspective. The rebels were few in numbers and armed by NATO and US to overthrow a quasi-socialist regime which was hostile to them and didn’t allow their corporations a piece of the oil cake.

    This was all done because of the Egypt uprising, as that provided a good opportunity to paint Gaddafi as a dictator in the eyes of the western public to justify his removal and subsequent bombing of the country. Gaddafi did not have an official position or title in the government yet he still enjoyed massive popularity in his country because he achieved what he set out to 40 years ago and gave Libyans the highest standard of living and quality of life on that continent. Recommend

  • http://bigsaf.newsvine.com bigsaf

    @Mustafa Moiz:

    Qaddafi was definitely a tyrant, but he was by far better than the NTC of Benghazi, who asked foreigners to bomb their country just so they could get power. It wasn’t a revolution, it was simply a power struggle for Tripoli.

    So you rather wished the Ben Ghazi, Tripoli and Misrata democratic protesters, whose crime was to gather peacefully and non-violently demonstrate, get massacred by Gaddafi’s superior forces without intervention?

    After non-violent protests fail, and the climate changes to urgency, some non-violent revolutions (if they survive) do get bloody, with military or outside intervention, and yes the aim of such revolutions are to reform or overthrow the current Power for a better government.

    Gaddafi unleashed collective punishment once he made the call of air force strikes. This was new and shocking, including the quick pace of dead counts of 1000 in one week as compared to Tunisia and Egypt.

    It made absolute sense that a globally and locally unpopular and isolated regime’s time had come to step down, but they didn’t and continued to drag the suffering with hired mercenaries committing mass crimes in real time during a time and atmosphere of great change. Help was very much needed!

    Those ‘foreigners’ (NATO includes Turkey and UAE by the way), which you so greatly resent (and probably what drives your emotion and bias against the NTC), were backed collectively by other Arab or Muslim governments, including the then serving Libyan ambassador to the UN who defected, along with other political Libyan dissidents including those from the military and government! Oh, and also mandate from the UN and the rest of the International Community….

    The blow-back and unintended consequences were deemed minimal, which has been proven correct, with the Libyans doing most of the work deciding their fates. The US were actually reluctant to lend a hand, but UK and France forced the issue, and it’s not a hidden fact that Europe had interests there, but could have left things be since they already struck deals with Gaddafi earlier. You can argue they were opportunists knowing a more open government means more for them or sincerely saw a win-win for all regardless. That’s up to your bias.

    Of course there were a few countries like Iran who protested about the intervention. But not like as if Iran or the other Muslim countries, or Pakistan and Pakistanis, were going to come forward and volunteer and aid the Libyan people and NTC militarily, now were they? Perhaps only if Gaddafi offered them uranium or passports like the Pakistani police officers in Bahrain… Recommend

  • Narrowminded

    Please get a life; Do you have to criticize every thing that has to do something with religion?Recommend

  • Numbersnumbers

    @Amir Ali:
    “Osama bin Laden’s alleged act”? Are you saying that he was just an innocent old man who had nothing to do with 9/11?Recommend

  • http://www.salmanzq.com Salman Qureshi

    Loneliberal PK and bigsaf – excellent points. Unfortunately emotions won’t allow a lot of us to look at this issue in a neutral manner. Instead we are taken in by ‘he was a muslim’ argument because apparently that trumps humanity.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    You have only stated the obvious. Why do you think this happens?

    India has roughly the same number of Muslims as Pakistan. You do some weird stuff by them from time to time but its not a norm. Whereas in Pakistan it is.

    You cannot generalize it to say that whoever is considered a tyrant all over the World but is a Muslim and/or is considered a Freedom Fighter for Muslims is garlanded and showered with praise. There is one very notable exception.

    The Uighur Muslims. They do not get much support from the Ummah loving Mullahs.

    So, what do they do what they do? Because they think by doing this they are furthering their interests. A Muslim upraising for Freedom in China is not good for them, but the same is good if it happens in India.
    A dictator in a Muslim Country killed by NATO is a bad thing, but dealing by an authoritarian regime in China, Iran and even Afghanistan is the form the Taliban is a very good thing.
    Recommend

  • zehra

    Oh so so true, i realy dont know what is being taught at law schools in punjabs they are turning out appalling results.

    we have made it our mission to care for people outside our country, our criteria for a hero: you have to be killed possibly by US/NATO or anyone funded by them, claim to be muslim and anti US ( it surmounts to be the same apparently), corrupt and able to take lives of millions for your own cause!!

    We live here yet we know for a fact that he was loved and cherished and only few handfuls wanted him out, everything is a conspiracy against us. what about the million anti gaddaffi we see ? oh but wat thats a mirage created by pro US and Nato forces !

    At the end it just bothers me that we have always been crazy about outsiders {the movement to save caliphate in turkey whch resulted in muslims boycotting education and jobs ( which according to me is the resaon why we still somehow lag behind ) leading to a hijarat movement to be turned away by ‘brother afghanistan” and the caliphate being broken down by turkish muslim who is still widely acclaimed in turkey?} to present. we are more concerend about gaddafi ,obl than what is the current situation in pakistan, if praying for muslim funeral is good why did noone pay for the poor soul who gave his life to protect 14 ppl in jeddah floods? why not for the hundreds dead after every sucide bomb blasts? there are many absentia funeral prayers scope in pakistan, we ignore those yet not these? why?Recommend

  • http://bigsaf.newsvine.com bigsaf

    @Loneliberal PK:

    Pakistanis are in a habit of mindlessly defending anybody with the title “Muslim” attached to him.

    Can you ever imagine Pakistan or Pakistanis ever standing up for the Uzbeks against their oppressive dictator, Islam Karimov? Me neither…

    Stand up for truth first, and your “Muslim” brethren second.

    They don’t even stand up for their Muslim brethern, in this case the Libyan people.

    They’ll ignore or even smear the oppressed people either because of their anti-Western resentment, some mixing it with twisted ideological religious dogma and revisionist romanticism of a Muslim/Islamic leader, or advancing Pakistan’s geo-political self-interests like nuclear program and other developments where they couldn’t care less about the Libyans’ plight as long as that dictator existed to benefit Pakistan’s government (though stab us a number of times, but will conveniently sweep that under the rug).

    That unethical foreign policy sounds just so like Uncle Sam. Same thinking allows them to happily continue doing business with China and not care about the Uyghur Muslims. Recommend

  • baqar

    Right on target…. Pakistanis are like the desperate housewives interested in everything that is happening in the neighborhood while paying no attention to put our own house in order….. another thing is that we have a obssession syndrome of becoming more catholic than than the pope…in this case becoming more libyan and libyans themselvesRecommend

  • http://www.akifzeb.com Akif Khan

    Silly and Lame comparison! Intoxicated by the morning wine, let’s see what Libyans have in the lunch!Recommend

  • malik

    “If he is a Muslim, then he must be right.” Remember this always, and only this will make you become a good patriot and a True Muslim. This will open doors to you everywhere, including Jannat.

    This should be guiding philosophy of your life. Please memorise this before asking unpleasant questions in your blog. Recommend

  • zehra

    omg malik are you serious? i will not go far, so in your opinion all the muslims who kill other muslims in sucide attacks, karo kari, burying alive, squabbles, those who rob , steal, snatch mobiles are right??

    so technically our jails and courts should be abloished or we should just have a simple system muslim check ok sir you are free you can abs do no harm!!

    if i go by your philosophy then all muslims have a lisence to do anything?? really so any fellow muslim can walk upto take all your stuff, kill you hurt your family and then we all should stand back applaud and proclaim him as right because he is a muslim??Recommend

  • http://bigsaf.newsvine.com bigsaf

    @malik:
    @zehra:

    really so any fellow muslim can walk upto take all your stuff, kill you hurt your family and then we all should stand back applaud and proclaim him as right because he is a muslim??

    lol, Zehra, did you forget? Malik will employ an easy made-up cowardly cop-out defense mechanism in place to avoid any critical thinking

    This should be guiding philosophy of your life. Please memorise this before asking unpleasant questions in your blog.

    So no unpleasant questions please based on rationality or logic! Don’t hurt my over-emotional or reactionary feelings because I’ve somehow attached my self-esteem or ego onto bias and labels! Be quiet! Don’t think! Do as you’re told even if it doesn’t make sense and contradicts your own Islamic or humane teachings! ‘Muslim, Muslim, Muslim’, ‘Pakistan, Pakistan, Pakistan’! la la la la – I can’t hear you! Fake superstitious labels and emotional bias are more important than actual actions or behaviours, and no logical or rational thinking will tell me otherwise!Recommend

  • http://bigsaf.newsvine.com bigsaf

    @Sabih:

    Usually no point in addressing such shameful delusion, and feel sorry for Libyans who come across such drivel, but will give it a shot anyways…because it’s easy and should be derided.

    Gaddafi enjoys the majority support in Libya, and he was not a tyrant from any perspective.

    Yes, so popular that so many came to see and confirm his dead body in the freezer!

    Nonsense. He didn’t have majority support, except for the last remaining three loyalist strongholds which included Sirte, his birth place hometown which he used to favour over the rest of Libya, and bought support with other armed African mercenaries – he was so popular half his supposed security forces and government officials had no problems taking a long indefinite vacation by defecting! /sarc

    He had lost the support of other villages and towns, included the larger cities of Ben Ghazi, Misrata and even the capital Tripoli. This was obvious once the protests arouse which he tried to squash brutally with air strikes. What a popular thing to do! Absolutely nothing tyrannical in calling in air strikes in the middle of Libyan family neighbourhoods as collective punishment for daring to protest! If the Israelis can do it, why can’t he?! /sarc

    The rebels were few in numbers and armed by NATO and US to overthrow a quasi-socialist regime which was hostile to them and didn’t allow their corporations a piece of the oil cake.
    This was all done because of the Egypt uprising, as that provided a good opportunity to paint Gaddafi as a dictator in the eyes of the western public to justify his removal and subsequent bombing of the country. Gaddafi did not have an official position or title in the government yet he still enjoyed massive popularity in his country because he achieved what he set out to 40 years ago and gave Libyans the highest standard of living and quality of life on that continent.

    The rebels ranks actually grew and what they lacked in military quality, considering they were of different backgrounds, such as doctors, engineers, pharmacists, wielders, university students, expatriates, political dissidens, etc. they made up in nationalist zeal. Gaddafi still had the qualified fighters in most of his ranks even though some of those military personnel defected, and yes, some ex-religious militants in their ranks too.

    After the 2003 invasion of Iraq, and fearing the same might happen to him, that quasi-socialist surprisingly capitulated willingly to the US and UK, Bush and Blair (Blair having a hard time to justify it to the UK public), deposing of his supposed WMD’s and had opened up capitalist family contracts to both US and European markets finally (which also included that controversial deal of releasing the alleged Libyan airline bomber back to Libya to secure a contract, which Gaddafi happily accepted!), while also helping them out on the ‘war on terror’, that included selling out Pakistan’s AQ Khan as well as extraordinary rendition. He has a beautiful photo album and song of Condoleeza Rice to show for it now!

    Even freakin’ Hosni Mubarak hated Gaddafi! But see where the anti-West derangement is kicking in…

    If Gaddafi didn’t have an official position, what the hell is his cult pictures hanging all over the place on state buildings and public streets for?! What the hell was he defending and why was he claiming he ‘won’t step down’?! Why was state TV propagating nonsense about that lunatic?

    Yea, he achieved 30% unemployment, unfinished projects, cronyism, nepotism, smashing human rights, political rights, freedom of speech and the right to form a democratic government with elections! His female bodyguards were a nice touch though…

    Face it…you don’t know any Libyans, you don’t know a damn thing about Libya’s history and politics and you couldn’t care less about them and instead indulge in revisionist delusion to suit whatever narrative you wanted to make up. Recommend

  • KillAll

    @zehra:
    Malik wasnt saying anything like that. He was just saying, before criticiseing any Muslim over, just try to feel His/Her emotions as a Muslim and the circumstances He/She must have passed through...What is happening to we Muslims, what has made us so mean and loyal to the westernization..?? That we only negate simple statements has been spoken in the favour of Islam and its followers…??Recommend

  • KillAll

    Dear miss Writer,
    U have done so perfect job by calling a long campaign leading person against the enemies of Islam, and against safe-guarding the resources of his country a Dictator,Terrorist and what soever…Recommend

  • Well..

    @Nauman zahid:
    I don’t understand what his burial location has to do with him as a cruel tyrant. However I must disagree with certain aspects of this article. I am not a Libyan, nor have I lived under the rule of Gaddafi as the Libyans had to for many years but I mourned his loss – as I would for any person who has a family with people who love them and who will greatly suffer to see him die. What grieved me most though, was his humiliation. I didn’t think it was possible for people, Muslims! to act in this way. It sickened me and left me hopeless. Recommend

  • hassan

    @bigsaf:

    Malik has distilled the essence of Islamic teachings (Qu’ran, Sunnah, Hadees etc) into a simple few lines. If you read the post again, you will notice that he is only echoing the feelings of Ummah.

    You should aim elsewhere. Recommend

  • rehmat

    @malik:
    ““If he is a Muslim, then he must be right.” Remember this always, and only this will make you become a good patriot and a True Muslim”.

    SO when Muslim Ponjabi Pak soldiers killed ordinary Muslim Bangali civlians in 1971 – which Muslim was right?
    When Muslim Iraq attacked Muslim Iran which Muslim was right?
    Closer to home forPakistanis when the Muslim Amn committee people and Muslim MQM people killed each other , which Muslim was right?
    When the Muslim TTP people bomb mosques and kil innocent Muslim namazis, which Muslim is good?
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  • A.

    ha ha. very funny.
    so im going tob e called a terrorist or an extremist for what im going to say but i assure you all im not :P
    9/11 COULD have been an inside job, but thats a matter of opinion.
    say it wasnt an inside job and bin laden really did do it. i see it as rebuttal. there aer millions of muslims and non muslim middle easterns being killed by non-muslim-majority forces. we are being attacked and killed in so many ways in palestine iraq afghanistan pakistan and so on. and all we do is nothing. or we just protest. honestly? protests wont get us VERY far. they haevnt and probably wont.
    were being attacked. as a muslim i believe that we have the right to fight back. and we are. in afghanistan and palestine and probably eveyrwhere else too. but why does this war have to be on OUR turf? WHY CANT WE FIGHT BACK IN AMERICA? maybe what bin laden did was right. he fought back for us. on THEIR turf. yes, he killed many civilians. innocent civilians. and it was wrong. but thats what happens in war and we shouldnt condemn him SO MUCH for that. Allah will judge him. and what he did, it could be right in a way. he fought back. he stood up for us. in another way, he made life difficult for us because now we face racism and discrimination everywhere. but that was supposed to happen eventually anyway (signs of day of judgement). and what he did – it proved a point. THEY ARE SCARED OF US NOW. thats why they react like this – with pathetic racial slurs and lame discrimination like ‘towel head’ or ‘terrorist’.

    they started this. shouldnt we have hte right to fight back?Recommend

  • A.

    But the most intelligent and honourable amongst us, those whose sense of justice the common citizen is supposed to put his/her faith in, obviously disagree. On October 25, a group of lawyers gathered at the GPO Chowk outside the Lahore High Court to say funeral prayers for Qaddafi.

    LOL. YOU THINK WE CAN TRUST THE LAW NOW? we can’t trust our police officers or politicians or even doctors. we cant trust any law enforcement, or anyone government affiliated. honestly speaking the people of pakistan are a corrupt people. at least the majority.

    qaddafi was wrong because of his actions. but even he deserves prayers after his death because as far as the public knows he was a muslim. also because it should be in our attitude not to judge people. he hurt the libyans hugely and i dont expect them to offer funeral prayers for him. but maybe we should. out of the goodness of our hearts or hwatever.Recommend

  • 9475

    @hassan:
    thats probably sarcasm, but im pretty sure a ton of people will believe it. good job further derailing the ummah.Recommend

  • rex minor

    Let us have patience, the last chapter on Libya is not closed yet. Col Gadafi mistae as a father was to make a Libyan Nation of parasites. Libyans received benefits and a piece of the oil cake without doing anything in rerturn, his social model was more or less adopted by Norway. What the world has witnessed in the aftermath of NATO plot going full speed, was that the parasites became rats and one by one left the sinking ship..

    Rex Minor. Recommend

  • http://bigsaf.newsvine.com bigsaf

    @hassan:

    Malik has distilled the essence of Islamic teachings (Qu’ran, Sunnah, Hadees etc) into a simple few lines. If you read the post again, you will notice that he is only echoing the feelings of Ummah.
    You should aim elsewhere.

    Brother, sorry, I don’t know what Islam you’re following or subscribe to, but un-accountability is not the essence of my Islamic teachings.

    My Islam allows for introspection, recognizes justice for all and the right to voice against serious aggression instead of being hampered by overt prejudice and resentment, superstitious irrationality and ignorance of falsely perceived labels deluding reality.

    If those are the feelings of the Ummah, I can see how we’ve lost our sense of reality overall and lag behind when we don’t ask the ‘unpleasant questions’.

    In essence what Malik suggested was not standing up for the millions of oppressed Libyan Muslims, but instead standing up for the ONE brutal dictator and tyrant leader with a Muslim name over them and claim he’s divinely RIGHT, because his Muslim-ness trumps theirs (since they asked for NATO support)?! Ridiculous. Recommend

  • http://bigsaf.newsvine.com bigsaf

    @KillAll:

    Unfortunately you’re steeped in twisted religo-political ideological dogma and the narrative that entails with it. ‘Islamic leader’, ‘Westernization’, etc. The user-name certainly makes it more worrisome on what views you’re subscribing too with your version of Islam and reality supposedly being preached.

    The mistake is you want to exalt Gaddafi to some divine Islamic ruler (sadly many Pakistanis have a totally twisted, brutal un-Islamic concept of what entails a good Islamic leader), because of his dismissal with the help of NATO (including UAE and Turkey, backed by other Arab and Muslim nations – but you will see on the EVIL WEST!), when he was anything but and ruthless dictator that had capitulated to the West as recently as 2003 (Bush and Blair’s times!), yet conveniently ignore that.

    You take issue in criticism on Gaddafi, like a loyal slave praising his master, thinking he’s some great Muslim (he wasn’t and actually blasphemed a good deal), yet can’t seem to get around the suffering of the Libyan people, a huge chunk of the Muslim Ummah, which included men being picked up by Secret Police on suspicion of them being too religious, Namazi, as in the case of one practicing Muslim man who prayed too much and was locked for 8 years without trial until freed recently. And then the children that died in the aerial strikes that Gaddafi employed in Misrata.

    But you and others will have the nerve to ask us to ‘think’ before condemning him! Simply because he found himself on the other-side against NATO, that collective hate trumped all other considerations, including the plight of the Libyan people he oppressed…Recommend

  • malik

    @A.:

    Yes, you are right, You should fight back, if you feel that you have been wronged. And if you feel it is the other side that started the fight first.

    But, when you fight you should clearly tell who your enemy is. If you want to fight US, you should not put bombs in Madrid. If you hate George Bush, you should not bomb London. If you hate Hillary Clinton, you should not send Kasabs to Mumbai. And you should not kill Pakistani citizens. Or you should clearly state that you hate US, Spain, India and UK very clearly so we know what stand is.

    You are never short of money and you lead a luxurious life style. And you fight without showing your face or identity and hide inside a supportive community. Thus, you expose your entire community to the wrath of your enemy. The entire community has to face the music on your behalf, whereas you go elsewhere to carry on your mission to become a martyr. May be you feel, mujahideens enjoy a better lifestyle than doctors and engineers.

    So, why take the trouble of working hard to become an achiever, whereas all you need to have a great house and money can be had just by walking into a nearby madrassah?Recommend

  • hassan

    @bigsaf:

    Sorry, bro, there is only one Islam and that Islam, says, “I have done the thinking for you and you don’t waste time thinking and doing self-introspection.” There is no concept of self-introspection in Islamic societies and it is considered, in fact, dangerous since it might lead the path towards potential apostasy.

    The very strength of Ummah has been our flexibility to condone or wink at the behavior of Muslims and that is what has made this religion last for so many centuries. Self-introspection and taking stand on moralistic and righteous grounds will spell disaster for Ummah. Recommend

  • Mj

    It is a good thing that Hitler and Stalin weren’t Muslims. Otherwise our emotionally and mentally disturbed masses would be praying for them too.Recommend

  • acha bacha

    @bigsaf, salute to you for your knowledge and jazabti speeches. I agree with many of your points except few but i appreciate your replies to many readers of this blog.Recommend

  • KillAll

    @bigsaf:
    Before bothering on my opinions, better have a look on this Video and try to shrill ur wisdom about that international conspiracy has been launched dacades before against Msulim World….
    http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=105552292795698Recommend

  • http://bigsaf.newsvine.com bigsaf

    @hassan:

    I can’t really get a read from you. Malik’s (if it is the same Malik) newer comment has had me rethinking whether or not his earlier comment may have just been sarcasm that you maybe taking further? It’s really hard to tell in these forums. Wish some practice using the /sarc or /s tag at the end of their posts.

    Regardless what, I understood from your comment, is that you believe Islamic philosophy is mindless and devoid of morality for the sake of running a community base? I strongly disagree with that. Rasool (saw) would not approve of the Ummah to practice outright stupidity and delusion to stand behind dictators (zalim, tyrant) just because they boast Muslim or Islamic credentials by name (Munafiq, hypocrites), which were anything but.

    Sorry, bro, there is only one Islam and that Islam, says, “I have done the thinking for you and you don’t waste time thinking and doing self-introspection.” There is no concept of self-introspection in Islamic societies and it is considered, in fact, dangerous since it might lead the path towards potential apostasy.

    Well, we do have different schools of thought, sects and new age scholars.

    I can’t agree with that. Basic ethics and strong encouragement for knowledge seeking, which included traveling to other lands (instead of being locked up in your community cult), critical questioning, was what Islam was based on and allowed the East to prosper in developments early on.

    The very strength of Ummah has been our flexibility to condone or wink at the behavior of Muslims and that is what has made this religion last for so many centuries. Self-introspection and taking stand on moralistic and righteous grounds will spell disaster for Ummah.

    Yes, I do concede political ideological supremacy, forced subjugation or unity and philosophical depravity and criminal enterprise was sadly sown by the Ummah and their leadership, literally right after the Rasool (saw), through the ages and condoned so many wrong ideologies and actions which would actually be considered un-Islamic, criminal or illegal under original jurisprudence.

    But I believe that entire premise is wrong and that they and you’re casting something that was ideologically alien to the incredible egalitarian reforms that were brought forth by Muhammad (saw) earlier on, which was what attracted a great of people to the religion and the Ummah, which mean better rights and better lives.

    It’s a twisted idea of believing the only way Islam or the Ummah can survive is to be simply dumb and immoral. No, the only way for a community to grow is to learn and practice good ethics and Islam allows for this and calls for it. Recommend

  • http://bigsaf.newsvine.com bigsaf

    @KillAll:
    ?!
    A fan made Facebook video with sound bites of rhetoric from ZAB and King Faisal and their 70′s demise screams ‘conspiracy against Muslims’ for everything today?

    Please, spare me the insanity.Recommend

  • http://bigsaf.newsvine.com bigsaf

    @acha bacha:

    @bigsaf, salute to you for your knowledge and jazabti speeches. I agree with many of your points except few but i appreciate your replies to many readers of this blog.

    Thanks. I guess I have an advantage of knowing few Libyans, and other North Africans and ME folk, and expatriates who worked in Libya, and had intensely followed the regional uprisings on a whole. So a bit personal.

    Even if I didn’t, reason and critical analysis should prevail, as well as ethical empathy. Not irrational emotional rhetoric, bias and hypocrisy. Thanks again…that was nice to see. Recommend