The defence of a “burger baby revolutionary”

Published: April 25, 2011

A supporter of Imran Khan at the PTI rally in Peshawar on April 24, 2011. PHOTO: INP

I do a fair share of reading on the internet, and it both humours and angers me in equal proportions to read what the so called intellectuals have to say about the ‘urban youth’ as they like to call us.

Authors seem to have used supernatural knowledge to conclude that due to our appearance and way of life, our opinions can be overlooked and that we are simply not in the same intelligence bracket as them.

Stop stereotyping

Our lifestyles, upbringing and appearances are ludicrously stereotyped, and our abilities to understand the world and the philosophy underlying politics in regard to the present day and recent history are erroneously looked down upon with blatant bias.

Mr Feisal H Naqvi (who I am a great admirer of) went as far as to label and disparage one of us personally. I do not believe writers have any right to defame a citizen of a country and make comments about someones’s opinions, hair, attire or style of living. The urban youth knows that, but an advocate of the Supreme Court (SC) and the Pakistani press obviously do not. But since they were okay with that, perhaps they won’t mind this.

We may not be what you want us to be

We may not have lived as long as you, and we may not have the same experience, but this is our country; every single quark comprising subatomic particle of it as much as it is yours. We may live with luxuries that many can’t afford. We may prefer playing video games instead of heading out on the streets. We may like to gel our hair. We may enjoy wearing NYC shirts and we may not be the most fluent in our mother tongue. However, there are many of us for whom none of that is true.

What is true is that we generally go to the best schools; we have knowledge of the humanities, sciences and social sciences. Many of us are educated in political science, economics, government, philosophy, media, history and finance. We watch news channels and read newspapers from different continents to get an unbiased view of the world. We love our country and whether you like it or not, we have an opinion about how it should be run. Age does not make you decide who is wise; it is wisdom itself that is required to understand wisdom.

The Imran Khan debate

Whether some of us support Imran Khan is unimportant. But criticising us for doing so with sweeping judgments of our “naivety” is an insult to us as well as the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI). For those of us who do support Imran Khan, we are not dim-witted enough to not know that the party, as well as Mr Khan, have flaws and have not come straight from heaven. But, what we do know (and deep-inside every single person with half a brain knows) is that every leadership we have been under has made mistakes that has put this country in the mess it is in today. Are we supposed to be inspired by these corrupt politicians or someone who is a proven leader and an honest philanthropist?

It is not PTI that has inspired the youth to take to the streets instead of playing Play Station 3. It is our situation. This is our homeland, and with every passing second it is being pushed towards destruction.

It is easy to play down our actions and opinions. But it is wrong to label us. We do not like being called innocent, and we especially do not like being labelled as “burger baby revolutionaries.”

I would love to settle this in an “academic labeler” versus “urban youth” debate, but for now, I would just request columnists to maybe show a little more respect and understand that:

“we are made wise not by the recollection of our past, but by the responsibility for our future.”

Thank you.

Abu Bakr

AbuBakr Agha

A software engineer in Islamabad. He tweets @AB_Agha (twitter.com/AB_Agha) and blogs at www.elucidations.org

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • http://fahadsfa@hotmail.com fahad

    Bravo , Though this is my first ever comment in any news article , but i seriously love your piece :)Recommend

  • http://raheelaijaz.blogspot.com Let us not digress

    Very good and relevant piece. I think the defence could have been more formidable if u added a few examples of how the youth thinks about the aforementioned subjects. For eg. learning ss and pol sci etc doesn’t mean you know how the realities functions in our country and its domestic circumstances and how those theories you brag so much about can constructively come into play. it is unwise to suggest that having sufficient knowledge of social sciences can mend our ways. the bottom line is; ppl do not object the youth for their private school attendance or subjects of study. they object b/c sadly inspite of all this self proclaimed knowledge, the youth has failed to come up with viable solutions on a large scale. trust me when i say knowing about the world won’t get u anywhere in making pakistan a better place. you gotta scrutinize the acutely messed up political and social realities here and bring out something good, that many many great minds before us have tried.
    about the imran khan part: imran’s political history is very hypocritical. those who’ve been around longer than you and me know when and what he said about critical issues of pakistan in the turbulent 90s. youth’s naivety is reflected in its blind support for imran khan on very critical issues. for eg imran once said taliban should be used as a bait for our national interests, among many other weird things. that is clearly what we did and look what we’re reaping.
    but i like ur argument. well done. Recommend

  • sas

    WAY TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!! all people like to do in our society is pinpoint others and gossip… that is what keeps us alive and going. it is easy to criticize…. no matter if the other party is correct or not all decisions must be made without bias and should not only be meant to man-slaughter….Recommend

  • http://tightdhoti.wordpress.com TightDhoti

    You are still a very small minority within what you have categorized as the “urban youth”, then again, your right to act in any way you deem fit is neither less nor greater than your critics right to say what they please. More power to everyone.Recommend

  • Malik

    Absolute Brilliance! Recommend

  • Asad

    5/5

    I absolutely LOVE how you labelled THEM at the end.Recommend

  • Maham

    This could be the start of a war of words. But i think its safe to say that for now..

    Burger Babies 1-0 Labeling Intellectuals

    FTW!Recommend

  • Gauhar

    What a slap on the face of the Academics! BRAVO sir.Recommend

  • Javed

    SaluteRecommend

  • Raza

    You earn your labels. Liking them or not liking them is irrelevant. If you dont want to be called, dont be naive. Protesting about how much it hurts is silly.

    Now dont tell me how it feels to be called silly. Not interested.Recommend

  • Fahad Raza

    Ok…. if you say so Dude. Its about time too that our “Richie Rich” analyse the situation and pick the right side. Its not oddity if a filthy rich speaks for poor, innocent it nobility in fact. Just to be motivated Remember a barrister from Karachi charging Rs 1500/hour in 1931 making a right decision and ending up as Quaid-E-Azam. Or Nawab and a born Landlord who was educated abroad with a luxury of having a car with a driver and a butler at his disposal while still studying ending up the most favorite Prime Minister of All time.

    It is not our potential which make us but our choices to act upon them. I don’t care if a burger baby is initiating a revolution of a better socio political environment.

    I say Be a part then being apart Recommend

  • http://www.facebook.com/Sir.Bakr Abu Bakr Agha

    Just to put it out there, the purpose of this piece was a response to the labels we have been given. Not a response to claims of our naivety and lack of knowledge of politics and Pakistan. That like i said would require a debate :)Recommend

  • Humayun

    Bravo.This is my first comment up here in ET.
    We’re seriously a confuse nation with everybody gossiping and pinpointing any move or act without any understanding of the situation or any respect to the opinion of other party.Its not just any single individual, in my opinion the overall mindset of our society is going through the same. if someone does not agree with our opinion or act in a certain way which we does not approve of (in our wrong sense of self righteousness), he/she is naive or whatever title we may give.Recommend

  • http://fruitforbidden.wordpress.com Samar

    Now that you mentioned it, I checked and was pretty disappointed to see a seemingly ‘levelheaded’ adult bash a younger member of the society like that! What mileage was he trying to get there? He could have intelligently stated his point without hitting on someone directly like that!Recommend

  • http://fruitforbidden.wordpress.com Samar

    @Let us not digress:
    I like your argument better!
    though again, I think the lawyer’s approach was very lawyerly after all!Recommend

  • :)

    very well written! couldnt have said it any better.. only three things to say:

    PAKISTAN Zindabad!
    Imran Khan ZINDABAD!
    ABUBakra Agha ZINDABAD! Recommend

  • NR

    PTI= Biggest joke political party.
    Imran Khan= Biggest joke politician.Recommend

  • Khan

    Dude, you can’t refute claims by making counter-claims. No doubt you have a very valid point and for the right reasons. But you have to respect the other side of the coin – the right for free speech of the other columnists. You could do better (I’m sure you can) by countering their arguments by logical reasoning rather than emotional talk. This seems to be a very personal reply to some of the columnists, and I’m saying maybe it’s not needed. You want a healthy discussion, you resort to logical reasoning not emotional talk. One can do all the emotional talk but that defeats the purpose of a discussion. Recommend

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=658489870 Madiha

    I was appalled by the write-up I think you are referring to. It shocked and angered me why anyone would go to such lengths to bash one person’s attire, hair, command on Urdu, the college he goes to in a national newspaper. Totally agree with what you wrote.Recommend

  • Feisal Naqvi

    Dear Mr. Agha,

    Thank you for referring to my earlier article. I do think however that you misunderstood my earlier article. My points about Mr. Toru (and your generation) were as follows:

    Other people (not me, but “beret-wearing, poli-sci” types) are making fun of Mr.Toru on the basis of things that he said.
    Some of the criticism was justified in that Mr. Toru was naive (and yes, I used an unnecessarily harsh modifier there) but, and this is important, my view was that Mr. Toru’s participation in politics (and of other young people like him) needed to be celebrated. In fact, the exact words I used were “there are things to celebrate” about Mr. Toru’s story.
    I then gave three reasons why we Pakistanis should “celebrate” this development. The first was that we should be happy that young people like him had been roused from their normal apathy and had come onto the streets. My exact words were “in this particular regard, the great Khan is entitled to take a bow. Bravo, sir.”
    The second reason I gave was that it appeared as if Mr. Toru had a very advanced view of what the police in Pakistan ought to be doing. I concede I used the phrase “beautifully innocent” but the point being made was that our police (and other social institutions) would only change once public expectations of them change. To that extent, I thouigh Mr. Toru’s assumptions as to how the police should work were worth celebrating (even if not grounded in fact.)
    The third reason I gave for celebrating the arrival of Mr. Toru on the political scene was that “if Pakistani politics is ever to become less of a straightforward extortion racket, it will be because idealistic people actually stick around and get involved in the mechanics of governance.” I then stated that even if Mr. Toru would not prove to be one of the idealistic ones who actually stays involved, “somebody like him eventually will. And we will all be the better for it.”

    Since a large number of ET readers and commentators also concluded from my column that I was trying to disparage Mr. Toru and the youth of Pakistan, it appears as if I was not quite clear enough in my writing. However, I do urge you (and them) to re-examine that column in the light of my clarifications above.

    Regards,

    Feisal Naqvi

    PS: It seems that comments on hairstyles are strictly verboten. In any event, my own hairstyle seems to have been sufficiently disparaged in response. Recommend

  • shoeb

    all i can say is that the concept was great but the argument was weak, what it did, it reinforce what Mr Feisal H Naqvi said having the knowledge of social science and world politics does not qualify you as a revolutionary.Recommend

  • Hassan

    Abu Bakr Agha what a crisp and to the point argument, the problem with Pakistan is that we have a lot of talkers here who think that by criticising anyone and everyone they have become the orcales of wisdom and truth. These talkers call themselves liberal but are pro war, they crib and whine about Pakistan but make fun of people who are trying to change things, they will call you out for your clothes & accents but will never have the courage to speak up against injustice.

    These people will continue to sit on the fence and pass judgements for they do not know any better, you are the youth of the country you are future never be intimated by these so called liberal analysts who wont have a leg to stand on once their bluffs are called.

    Imran Khan is unique in his leadership, he speaks from the heart and calls a spade a spade he has taken it upon himself to bring the change that will benefit the millions in this country, his name and his contributions for Pakistan are safe in the annals of Pakistan’s History and he is one of the few who have brought pride to this nation. Believe in yourself Abu Bakr and in your plan and as the youth of this country lead it with respect, honour and dignity that is all that anyone can ask of our young leaders.Recommend

  • faraz

    Just wait for the next elections. Even after seat adjustments, Imran wont get more than 5 seats. @Hassan I am not arguing, just predicting. Recommend

  • All BS

    Well said and let me apologize on behalf of the older generation. It is you and our generation that lends us hopeRecommend

  • Riaz

    Mr Feisal Naqvi’s piece was quite disappointing. Normally, his op-eds in various papers do make for a good reading. The people who have been bashing Zohair Toru on social networking websites such as Twitter and Facebook are idiots of the highest pedigree. Probably, abusing and cursing every other person is what the liberal elite has confined itself to. Pakistan is on its way to destruction because we have lost balance as a society. We are caught up between right-wing extremists and second-rate liberals. Its just such a shame that they just are wasting time having a go at each other. Pakistan was neither meant to be a theocracy nor a secular state. If I had a choice, I would exile the extremists to Afghanistan and KSA and liberal extremists should be packed off to France, Russia (for any surkhas) and any other country which is adequately free for the, What we would have is a country envisioned by our founders. Only, if wishes were horses!Recommend

  • http://www.facebook.com/Sir.Bakr Abu Bakr Agha

    @Feisal Naqvi:

    Sir,
    First of all let me make it clear that if anything, i have respect for your work and abilities as a writer. This particular piece actually caused me to have greater admiration for you because it is the only publishing i have seen in recent times that has given the youth of the country any recognition or positive gesture for what they have done.
    I understand the purpose of your write-up was actually to encourage and appreciate the fact that the urban youth is actually needed to change politics for the better in Pakistan, but I was very disappointed, and i will not lie, angered by the way you went about it.
    Obviously to make a fair point, both sides of an argument should be presented. But the light that you presented Zohair Toru and the entire Urban Youth in, was still one of tremendous stereotypical labeling. Calling him muddled, fantastically ignorant, innocent and making remarks about his attire was unfair. When you presented the “gist of the chatter” i thought you wrote more than necessary. My point is that you could have made your point by perhaps using less harsh and direct adjectives, and maybe not pointing particularly at Zohair in order to do so. He is a citizen of a sovereign country and you have the responsibility to respect him when writing something that can be published in the press. I blame the ETribune too, but they edited out all that from my blog.
    Finally i felt that you felt the majority of the Urban Youth is politically inactive and shares the opinions and traits of Toru. If that is true, i just want to let you know that it is certainly not the case. The Urban Youth had a good laugh at the entire situation too. We know better than what perhaps Toru represented us to know. Alot of us were hurt how you used him to perhaps generalize that we are spoilt, lazy children, who belong in front of a television screen with a game controller in our hand. What the Urban Youth represents is not a bunch of innocents in politics. We have been on the streets protesting many times, going back to 7 or 8 years ago if i speak personally. I felt be it indirectly, the article still played down are potential and abilities to actually make any notable influence.Recommend

  • Awesome

    I think just by looking at both the articles and arguments you can see the the Youth is probably smarter :PRecommend

  • Impressed Observer

    Abu Bakr Agha for president?Recommend

  • Malika

    The Express Tribune needs more writers like this guy. Recommend

  • Munzir Naqvi

    Imran Khan is not the perfect politician, if he was, then he would be an angel sent from earth. It is fair to criticize on the weaknesses, but I ask the critics to take some responsibility. Responsibility means taking action and participating in the process, rather than be the spectator/commentator/analyst from the outside.

    PPP, PML, MQM, ANP, MMA, among others have been tested, they have been given more than just one chance. PTI has not been given a chance. Whether it has electoral success is not for us to simply criticize on, we have to do the ground work and at least try to do something. At least there is a party that is speaking up against corruption, law and order, electricity, and foreign policy. There is a party that is speaking on tax collection. These are just some of the issues of the day. If the PPP represented them, then it would end these laws in our Pakistan constitution. But three times we have given them a chance, and these three times, they have failed. PPP of the 90′s and today is not the PPP of the 70′s.

    This is why the burger baby revolutionary has stepped up. This is why the burger baby revolutionary is behind Imran Khan. Because at least he steps up and speaks to the youth. No other politician has done that. Whether he has election success, we will work on it and at least try to make it a success. Because nothing good comes easy. And the election will not be handed to us. I trust Imran Khan, why? because he has given the nation so much, and even sacrificed seeing his family full time in London, to help the nation at need. Pakistan is at need. We, the educated, have a responsibility, and we must politicize to an extent, whether we like or hate politics.

    But I must say, give the credit where it is due. It is because of the youth, that the party is starting to come in to conversation every day, a few years ago, it was not like that. Now, PTI is start to be seen as an option for the future. Recommend

  • Hassan

    @ faraz, ill try to make it simple for you we support Imran not because he is a sure shot winner at the next elections but because he is the closest to what a leader should be like and one which is sincere in their quest to change Pakistan. I do not care if he does not win a single seat i will continue supporting imran and the idea of a Pakistan where i can live in peace and prosperity with my head held high. For i believe that the change he envisions and we work for will come. InshallahRecommend

  • parvez

    Enjoyed reading this.
    Both youth and the aged have much to learn from each other. Problem is for both to understand this simple homily.Recommend

  • seeker

    Ihave been to SHAUKAT KHANUM HOSPITAL and travelled the MOTOR WAY

    I appreciate shahbaz sharif for the reforms in education sector and admire Imran Khan for his principaled stand against America

    I saw shahbaz sharif standing in knee deep water in the flood waters and I am a witness to Imran khan sending relief goods to the victims.

    They both worked fot the independent judiciary

    let us work to help them join hands and learn from the mistakes they both have made in their past.

    let them force to have a common dream of a PROSPER PAKISTAN , where nobody needs to give labels to each other Recommend

  • Maleeha Shah

    If only this fantastic ignorance, naivete and muddled state of ours was to take flight, without taking away with it our Idealism..we’d have leaders worth their salt! Recommend

  • http://grsalam.wordpress.com Ghausia

    Oh for the love of God. Did it occur to you children that maybe, just maybe, bratty rants like this might just be why we mock tyou? If you’re oh-so-educated and determined, why aren’t you actually applying yourself to these changes you speak of in such grand words instead of, you know, sitting and whining about people that are ‘meen’ to you online? In fact, aren’t you just reinforcing the stereotype of burger-babies that do nothing but play their xbox and surf the net by your whiny rant? Geez, I’m not saying you guys aren’t capable of making a change, regardless of who you support. But you’ve further reinforced the stereotype by your semi-bragging of how intelligent and morally superior you are to us adults. Alright, so you have great knowledge of social sciences and politics. How have you brought about a revolution with this knowledge of yours? Oh, you haven’t yet? You’re going to? You have ‘a plan’? Well, maybe its a really great plan and maybe, you’re capable of pulling it off. But till then, I’d suggest developing a thicker skin.Recommend

  • http://www.facebook.com/Sir.Bakr Abu Bakr Agha

    @Ghausia:
    It’s people like you who make me laugh, more so than the columnists. Not only are you not capable of understanding what a blog is, you have also distinguished between me and an adult, even though the two are identical. I love criticism, but i don’t stand for pointless comments. This my dear DEAR friend is a blog. It is a space for opinion and expression of personal thought. What some columnist write, have made me unhappy, and i have only expressed my views on that. A write up was published in a newspaper in which a citizen of the country was made fun off. In my opinion this wrong by both the writer and the newspaper and i have voiced that concern. If you think that all translates to im a kid who think people are mean, then i suggest you take some English Literature classes. Or if you want, i could write something about you and get it published and then you could not complain to show me how its done.

    If the point of this article was about how we are smarter and will bring a revolution, then i would surely have written along those lines. Unfortunately it is not, and this may be hard for you to understand, but it does not make sense to write about Fashion in the Business pages.

    I have not said i am more intelligent than anyone, or God forbid morally superior. I have not claimed i want a revolution, or have a plan. I have only asked for recognition for a particular group of fellow Pakistanis, and to be treated as equals intellectually.

    I however hold a very very poor opinion of you and certainly hope you don’t represent the ‘adults’ that are going to lead this country. But there could be room for improvement. I advise you to look up ‘blog’ in the dictionary as a start :)

    Me and my friends have been on the streets protesting years ago when we were in high school. Not only for opposition of dictatorships, but also to demand justice for clear transgressions of human rights. We volunteered in the traffic control organizations as well as the AIDS organization. We volunteered during the Earthquake in hospitals, and we raised money and self collected items for a month driving hundreds of miles across the U.S for flood relief. It isn’t appropriate for you to make judgments without knowing the complete story in regard to anything.

    I hope you learn something from this.

    Good day. Recommend

  • To the above

    Ghausia that was a very poor comment, and Abu Bakr i agree with you completely again. This not a college student, but a 40-yr old speaking by the way, A blog is a blog.Recommend

  • Saim

    The Further Impressing Abu Bakr 1 – 0 Some Lady Called GhausiaRecommend

  • waqas m.

    @Ghausia:
    You got owned i believe.Recommend

  • A middle aged lawyer.

    I’m reading claims that the author has reinforced the labels, but by just reading the comments and the referred articles, its hard to argue against the youth. Mr. Feisal and Ghausia you both have made us elder Pakistanis look very bad. I do have to say Bravo Abu Bakr.Recommend

  • Maira

    Hahaha i don’t think Ghausa will be back for a while =PRecommend

  • Ahmed Salim

    @Ghausia:
    I just did a quick research on you and Mr. Agha, and i think you should run along now :)Recommend

  • Faraz

    I am now 24 years old with a B.Sc.degree and a decent job at an MNC, with a sexy girlfriend to boost. For all reasons, I should be a very happy man. I mean, what more could a guy like me want? But I am not happy. Let me say it out loud again, I AM NOT HAPPY with the current state of affairs of this country. And I blame my father and his generation for this sorry state of affairs. What have they given us? Yes they have given us a good education, lavish life and wealth to be inherited. But in terms of hope, hope for the future of this country, what? WHAT HAVE THEY GIVEN US? A rotten state with no proper functioning institution. A failing democracy, a corrupt bureaucracy, a fraudulent judiciary and an untouchable army. My father’s generation, of whom these “Academics” belong to, is the one who elected people like Nawaz Sharif & Benazir Bhutto twice…TWICE. I mean, how much more stupid could they be? Every time they came with big promises but left with bigger disappointments. And yet, my father’s generation elected them again this time. Now my father, by all means an educated and a literate person, understands all these things. He accepts the deficiencies inside the PML-N, accepts their shortcomings, accepts that they are a bunch of thugs with one and only aim of increasing their personal wealths while giving a damn about the normal citizen. And YET, whenever I argue with him, try to convince him to give his vote to Imran Khan this time around, he always ends up disagreeing with me even though he has no logical argument to support his views, and up to this day remains a die-hard Nawaz Sharif follower. This, I have noticed, is a problem with not just my father, but with almost his whole generation. They just never accept defeat in an argument and are generally hard-headed. And when they do not have any argument to defeat us, they invariably tend to discredit us by saying “yar tum log abhi bachay ho”. Well dad, I am not anymore. I voted for PML-N last time around on your incessant insistence and also because Imran Khan did not stand up for elections. But this time around, there is ABSOLUTELY no chance I’m gonna go any other way. It’s my generation’s time now, you guys need to take a step back and leave the future of this beautiful country to us.

    Oh, and one more thing. I saw that “mummy-daddy revolution” video of that burger bacha trying to bring out a revolution. Now initially even I laughed at it, but I realized that at least he had the courage to step up. No matter what rubbish he was blurting out of his mouth, we should have supported him. But, in a land where people like DAWN newspaper’s Nadeem F. Paracha live to make satirical fun out of these situations, one really can not hope to have any more hope from this hopeless generation anymore. Instead of fostering this spirit of change, people of his generation will always subdue it. Pathetic. I call them the scum of the society.

    (http://www.dawn.com/2011/03/25/waiting-for-the-man.html)Recommend

  • shoeb

    Abu bakr your comments are stronger than your blog post, i guess some people wright better when they are p***ed :).. good job thumps up.Recommend

  • http://www.facebook.com/Sir.Bakr Abu Bakr Agha

    @shoeb:
    The Express Tribune doesn’t edit my comments, the way they do the blog :PRecommend

  • Good!

    Was very impressed by this blog. To the point stuff.Recommend

  • Imaan

    I thought this was excellent. Don’t know what these haters are on about. Recommend

  • City Girl

    I can totally relate to what Faraz said and what you’re saying. More write ups like these need to be published. This is a great article, but as you can even see from the comments, the ‘grown ups’ still don’t care.Recommend

  • Wanderer

    Take it easy. Most of the times, lawyers cannot help themselves but being lawyers. Its part and parcel of their profession. To gain respect but at the same time stooping too low to drag someone’s personal life into the limelight when it obviously isn’t even needed. Besides, ‘the generation gap effect’ takes its time to make its way into some thick skulls.Recommend

  • http://grsalam.wordpress.com Ghausia

    @Abu Bakr Agha:
    Listen, I never said that you’re not capable of making a change or a difference in any way. But I’m sorry, this is a whiny blog. Not only that, but I’ve actually read Naqvi’s burger-baby op-ed, and it was hardly disparaging towards the youth. The entire basis of this blog of yours was to point out that such stereotyping is wrong, but you failed to grasp what Naqvi was saying, which was that sure, Toru might be a rich little brat, but he’s a rich little brat who tore himself away from his Playstation long enough to notice something was going on, which is more than can be said for kids ten years ago.

    As for this point; If the point of this article was about how we are smarter and will bring a revolution, then i would surely have written along those lines. You need to go back and re-read this blog with an objective eye. By all the horn-tooting about your schooling and knowledge and newspaper reading habits, you’ve already achieved that purpose.

    Like I said, I’m not saying you can’t do anything so there’s no need to list your achievements. But maybe, just maybe, this blog would’ve been less mock-worthy if you’d listed those achievements as proof that the youth isn’t completely useless?

    Another thing I should point out. You’ve babbled on to me about freedom of expression and speech, haven’t you, and how you have the right to express your own opinion? Then explain the words that you yourself wrote; I do not believe writers have any right to defame a citizen of a country and make comments about someones’s opinions, hair, attire or style of living. Am I the only one who sees the irony here?

    PS: For someone who keeps trying to teach me about what a blog is, you referred to it as an ‘article’ towards the end. Again, the beautiful, glorious irony…Recommend

  • Waqqas Iftikhar

    Before this generates into a bash-fest (I believe it already has), i think mr.naqvi’s point was that the fact that such idealists have stepped into the public sphere is actually a good thing. Nonetheless, the point that is to be made is that a fair few of such ‘revolutionaries’ would be served better if they were more in touch with the culture, mannerisms and/or beliefs (political, social and economic) of the man on the street. In order to help someone change positively you need to understand what they are believing in, understanding something is a pre-requisite to debunking it. As hard as you try, you CANNOT bring about a change without the support of the proletariat.
    Imran khan is a completely separate issue – he is not corrupt personally and is an all-round ‘good guy’ but the political companions he keeps (particularly the jamaat and assorted rightwingers) worries me a little bit. I will probably vote for him in the absence of an option, he is the least worst choice out there….Recommend

  • http://billaytoot.wordpress.com Bilal

    Nicely writtenRecommend

  • AHK

    When you are accusing other people of stereotyping you shouldn’t constantly write ‘our Lifestyle’, ‘our abilities’, ‘one of us’ etc. etc.Recommend

  • abhinav

    @faraz
    The link you have posted (NFP in Dawn) was hillarious. Thanks for posting it!Recommend

  • Aisha

    Good. About time somebody made a defence. Really felt for Mr.Toru when the whole episode was goin on.Recommend

  • http://www.facebook.com/Sir.Bakr Abu Bakr Agha

    @Ghausia:

    I did NOT fail to grasp what Mr. Naqvi was saying. If you read the comments here, or better go to his blog where we had a proper conversation about this, you will see i gave him full credit because i realized what his point was – and that was pro youth.

    Aren’t you an undergrad student? Why are you calling me and Toru children? Why are you distinguishing yourself from the youth and bashing my blog because i stood up for them?

    If your very approach is one that the youth are a bunch of lazy, rich, ‘burger’ kids who are useless. You will never be able to look past your own ideas and understand the point of this piece. The reason i mentioned schooling was not because i want people to know the youth smarter than them. its because people don’t appreciate we are smart period.

    To answer your questions, it is wrong to defame a citizen of a sovereign country in a publication. I complained about that. Did i do it in a wrong way myself? I don’t think so, but if you still felt that way i wrote that if they were okay with that, they won’t mind this.

    Lastly this blog (as hard as it may be to believe for you, was not intended to single out Mr. Naqvi. This is just against the treatment of the youth by columnists altogether. The Mr. Naqvi example was to prove a particular type of labeling which he himself has acknowledged to me that he perhaps should not have done.

    And dear potential writer who’s book i hope i don’t ever come across, a blog is one of many types of an article :)Recommend

  • Biryani Qorma Sheermal

    *Eating popcorn and waiting for the big Agha vs. Ghausia game to start *Recommend

  • laghari

    Love u Imran Khan Recommend

  • Ali Kazmi

    This article was really good till you started defending Imran Khan. He’s scarcely better than most other politicians because he’s a fickle closet mullah. His reactionism is his way of “atoning” for his “debauched” past.

    Fortunately, I know a lot of elderly intellectuals who don’t snub young activists. I know a lot of leftist activists who are really sweet to me. I have very different views from theirs, but they’re very tolerant of me and encourage me to be politically and socially active. I think the smarter an elderly intellectual activist type is, the nicer they are to young “burger bacha” types.Recommend

  • Nebeel

    @Ghausia:

    Yep you’re the only person who sees the irony.Recommend

  • Sadia

    I do not want this to become a Ghausia bashing article, but i have to speak here. Ghausia this is the defense of a b.b revolutionary. Both of you are similarly aged people belonging to urban cities. I pretty sure Abu Bakr was using the blog to speak as a someone from the urban youth, to say what his defense would be. Your arguments are pretty much baseless. I have never met any of you, but you don’t really make any sense.Recommend

  • Khan

    @Ghausia: Thank you so much for pointing out some of the ironies and the fact that it’s a whiny blog.

    @Abu Bakar Agha: I will say it again, you want a good healthy argument, you ought to use logical reasoning and shun all the emotional comments or opinions. Emotional comments will lead you nowhere. All I see in your article is unnecessary, unwanted, unfounded accusations and other comments completely irrelevant to what Mr. Naqvi originally wrote. You ought to read more carefully and try to understand why he wrote what wrote. Did he ever generalize the behavior of “rich kids”? NO! Then why all this whining? Recommend

  • Sadia

    Plus how can you refer to your own age group as kids and brats? Very disappointing. And for the record i thought this was an excellent ARTICLE, which can also be a blog at the same time.Recommend

  • Akhtar

    I think its safe to say that Khan and Ghausia are two pieces from the same pieces of cloth that can’t understand simple writing. Khan this is not an argument, this is the defense of a group of citizens, and you can’t say they haven’t been wrongly treated. Also this is targeted at many people AND Naqvi, its not just a response to him. Go to Feisal Naqvi’s blog and see how he accepts he was a little harsh. I don’t see your point at all.

    Ghausia, you i don’t even know what to say to. I think perhaps you had too much sugar in the morning.Recommend

  • http://www.facebook.com/Sir.Bakr Abu Bakr Agha

    @Khan:

    I did not want a good healthy argument. I just wanted to react from the point of view of a “burger baby” defending himself to the recent happenings. Mr. Naqvi is not the only person i wanted to refer, i only wanted to refer one part of his piece, as a part of an ongoing of media against the youth. I completely realize that this is emotional, it is intended to be, because thats how i felt the youth feels. I thank you for your earlier comment on how to make this a balanced argument and i completely agree with those points, but that would have been a different looking blog than the one i wanted to write. I would need an in person debate for that which i wrote i was willing to do. Definitely. I i promise, it will not be whiney.

    I am sorry if you found this piece illogical or irritating, or not too the point. I would assure you that i did understand the article Mr. Naqvi wrote. Thanks for your comments though.Recommend

  • http://saidcanblog.blogspot.com Said Chaudhry

    Great article! I agree buddy! Burger bashing should be cut down and instead their opinions should be taken more seriously. As for Ghausia, I think we should give her a break. Her rants are a regular part of most ET Blogs – let’s not take it seriously and get personal. She’s a nice person who means well, but lets her emotions get the best of her while commenting. Let’s end that chapter here and celebrate differences of opinion instead of scrutinizing each other so harshly. Peace.Recommend

  • sameer hasan

    I thought it was a pretty logical and to the point article on a very relevant issue :S It was wrong what was written about them. Don’t know what all the fuss is about, but Abu Bakr don’t worry, besides a couple of people, everyone (myself included) loved this.Recommend

  • Sania

    Article:
    A written composition in prose, usually nonfiction, on a specific topic, forming an independent part of a book or other publication, as a newspaper or magazine.

    Text articles
    Academic paper — is an academic article published in an academic journal. The status of academics is often dependent both on how many articles they have had published and on the number of times that their articles are cited by authors of other articles.

    Blog — Some styles of blog articles are more like articles. Other styles are written more like entries in a personal journal.

    Encyclopedia article — In an encyclopedia or other reference work, an article is a primary division of content.

    Marketing article — An often thin piece of content which is designed to draw the reader to a commercial website or product.

    Usenet articles — are messages written in the style of e-mail and posted to an open moderated or unmoderated Usenet newsgroup.

    In other news, i thought this was awesome.Recommend

  • Hatib Khan

    Brilliant article Mr.Agha. The reaction of Ghausia further proved your point.
    Well done :)Recommend

  • sarahelahi

    “It both humours and angers me…”
    Please correct this sentence! It’s hard to take an article seriously when it begins with a grammatical mistake.
    humour, verb: To comply with or adapt oneself in order to soothe or make more agreeable.
    humour, noun: The faculty of perceiving what is amusing.
    It’s used as a verb here and is therefore incorrect.Recommend

  • http://www.facebook.com/Sir.Bakr Abu Bakr Agha

    @Said Chaudhry:
    By far the best comment here. Thank you. I agree completely.Recommend

  • Excellent!

    @Ghausia:
    Typical you. I’m not even gonna bother. Ruined a great article. Please do look up what an article is btw, and learn to spell “mean” :)Recommend

  • Mahera

    What Said said (lol).
    I enjoyed this. Well written.Recommend

  • http://bakwasism.blogspot.com Abdullah Zaidi

    As I suspected, another PTI thing. Recommend

  • hassan

    All Imran Khan supporters have the following in common:

    They are urban/semi-urban, semi/fully-educated, and they adore Imran Khan for his looks, his cricket exploits and for his english accent.
    They support Imran because he is the only untainted hero left in Pak and there is no one else to look upto.
    They are all 9/11 and 26/11 deniers. This is a chief requirement to be an Imran supporter. To be an Imran supporter, you must be a sucker for conspiracy theories. If you can spin a new one, you can be a leader.
    They believe all the ills of the country is because of the evil US. If the US is driven out of the country, they will become a global power again.
    They believe Taliban are basically good people. Any self-respecting Imran supporter would say ‘I don’t agree with violence but I agree they have a point in what they say.’ (Muslim taxi drivers in US used to say this about Saddam Hussein and every dictator belonging to their religion.)
    Finally, they believe that Imran is the saviour of the country. They believe Imran will find a way to make the economy bloom (without the US aid, of course), make Pakistan cricket team number 1 in the world, and put US in its place. (A merger with Afghanistan is also not ruled out!)
    Recommend

  • http://www.facebook.com/Sir.Bakr Abu Bakr Agha

    @hassan:

    Wow, when you thought you heard it all. Ridiculous argument. I guess proof-less generalizing is common in society. My bad for thinking it was just some people.Recommend

  • http://www.facebook.com/Sir.Bakr Abu Bakr Agha

    @hassan:

    I admire Imran Khan for his performances as a sportsman, his work for the country (hospital, university, flood relief), and because he has a degree from Oxford and not a school that does not exist. I agree with what he has to say and i don’t think at all he’s a Taliban sympathizer. I support him because he is not corrupt, he is in politics because he wants to help the country. He doesn’t need to, he already has, and he has money as well. He may not be the greatest politician and at times contradictory of his own statements, but he is by a MILE more suitable to lead Pakistan than any other candidate in my opinion. As for your point about education, this is the first time in almost 11 years that my driver and cook actually told me that they would always vote for the PPP, but they want change now and will vote for the PTI. And im sad to say they’re not fully educated.

    I do not deny 9/11 or 26/11, neither does Imran, i don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m not one for conspiracy. I do not think the United States is evil, i go to school there. I live there for 3 quarters of the year. I’m there right now. I just believe their tactics in the tribal areas have (proven) led to more suicide attack = problems for our country.

    I am almost insulted that you think i would think the Taliban are good people. How can anyone not be against the killing of innocents and suicide bombings? I absolutely don’t agree with what they have to say. I think you’re wrong for saying that.

    And finally, I do ‘think’ Imran Khan can make a difference in the economy and that we do not need U.S aid. I don’t think the U.S has to be put in any place. I just think right now we’re more like their servants because of the aid, and we need to shown more respect and treated as an equal. PTI supporters are not convinced Imran Khan is/has a solution, but we are more than convinced that the rest of our choices are/do absolutely not.

    And about the cricket team. Absolutely, no.1Recommend

  • http://www.facebook.com/Sir.Bakr Abu Bakr Agha

    Also, this blog is not about Imran Khan or the PTI.. i don’t know why people keep dragging that in here..Recommend

  • Fawad

    @Abu Bakr Agha:

    I agree with everything you said. The problem is in our country having a difference of opinion or a different preference is like a crime. Instead of being happy people are avid supporters of whatever party they support, they are mocked. PTI supporters in particular see the worst of this because so many of them are young and the young don’t get any respect (wrongly).

    Once again i urge you not to lose any confidence in yourself or faith in what you believe in. People are always going to disagree with you, and in Pakistan unfortunately people are going to make fun of you. This is a great article, you seem to be a fantastic individual, and you will inshAllah prove a lot of people wrong. Keep it up.Recommend

  • Taimoor

    @Abu Bakr Agha:

    Way to go man. And Hassan, you don’t get to decide that. Accept that people have different choices. Zero percent of the huge amount of people i know who support PTI fall into your description.Recommend

  • Arim

    Dear AbuBakr, if you in your this passage were trying to clean yourself and your type from the stereotype associated with you people, I politely and humbly say that you failed to do so..!

    Lifestyle which you live, the facilities you have, the comfort which you people enjoy doesn’t allow you to face the hard reality of life. Living in big houses with AC doesn’t let you know how much it is difficult to live in 80-yard flat with 6 family members. Traveling in cars can never tell you how much painful it is to walk down on roads or travel in local buses.

    My humble request to people like you is that please keep on living in your type of life, don’t come in “revolution” type of things because you make it look like stage. Please don’t destroy what we are fighting for.

    You on your way, we on our.

    Thankyou.Recommend

  • Fawad

    @Arim:

    I think you’re confusing the Urban Youth, with the rich youth. Not the same thing. Either way you’re still wrong in making the assumptions you do.Recommend

  • hassan

    I am supporting Imran because there is no else worthwhile to support …this seems to be the crux of the argument of people who believe in Imran revolution….. (If you ignore his accent, you will notice that he is as shallow as the next door politico.)

    But, what I am afraid is that, Imran, with his convoluted world-view, is going to lead the country to total anarchy…Burger babies in their boom boom glasses with an alternative country to live in (as a back up just-in-case scenario) naturally are not worried about that. Tragic !Recommend

  • H Khan

    @Arim

    That is by far the most irrelevant post i have read so far. You don’t make any sense at all. You are critisizing someones lifestyle which is absolutely irrelevant in an argument. Just because someone lives in a house with an ‘AC’ it dosen’t let them face the hard reality of life? who are you to judge anyones life? I think AbuBakr should not even bother replying to you.

    My humble request to people like you is to learn to reason with facts, think logically and not get personal when commenting on an article/blog. Good luck on your way

    Thankyou.Recommend

  • Hassan

    @Arim: I was going to comment on another inane response to the blog by my namesake but your misconceptions needs to be addressed on a priority basis.

    the powers of comprehension are a blessing, the writer was expressing his views on the issue of youngsters being given respect for their views and beliefs irrespective of apperance and stereotypes it was in no way an excercise to ‘clean’ himself as you put it.

    Buddy i have travelled in local route buses till the day i graduated from university i have lived in a two bedroom flat with my family i have experienced everything that you have said and more ( my mother was shot and wounded in a sniper firing incident in karachi in the mid ninties) yet i welcome the writers views because i believe we fight for the same thing irrespective of social or economic classes.

    The problem with such an argument is that you wear your middle class attitude on your sleeve and feel annoyed when someone different then youself or in a higher income bracket, wants to fight for the same problems as you dont exclude your brothers include them be united for a change search for the common ground rather than what divides you.

    The Destination will only be reached once you learn to walk together. I hope you understandRecommend

  • Waqqas Iftikhar

    @ Arim – what exactly….are you fighting for? care to elaborate?

    pakistan belongs as much to zohair toru and abu bakr agha as it does to nazir chat waala and jabbar the biryani stand owner….Recommend

  • Hassan

    @hassan:

    All Imran Khan Haters have the following in common:

    They claim to be educated but that education has yet to impact their cognitive ability positively
    They are jealous of Imran Khan’s looks because they look like more like Zakoota Jinn
    They Are jealous of his cricket exploits because they were always the last to be picked even in gali cricket and cant throw the cricket ball to save their lives
    They think since they have a inferiority complex that everyone else who supports Imran Khan would also be afflicted by the same condition of being impressed by his ‘Good’ English
    They hate Imran because they are sick of hating on everybody else
    Besides being delusional and uninformed they also suck at being able to find faults with imran Khan and his policies, so calling Imran Khan and his supporters 9/11 & 26/11 deniers till the time they can think of something reasonably logical to pin on them.
    To be a Imran Hater you have to be an all round sucker not just for conspiracy theories
    To not know what self respect is and be oblivious of the difference between being anti American & against US policies.
    They believe Taliban are martians created by Imran Khan and his supporters and the only way to address the Taliban issue is to do what the US says ( kindly refer to the first point for impaired cognitive ability)
    Finally these dimwits believe that Imran Khan is a loser and Super Man will descend from DC comics and make the economy bloom with US Aid obviously, and make Pakistan Cricket reach number 1 with SuperMan’s side kick Ejaz Butt and make Imran Haters all male Imran Haters like Clarke Kent and women like lois lane.
    Recommend

  • abhinav

    @author
    you have repeated this phrase “defame a citizen of a sovereign country” so many times.
    Does it mean that nobody can criticize another person at all?
    You have to admit that the video of the youth talking about revolution was really funny. And if somebody said so in a blog should not make you defencive. I am not doubting the capability of your generation in bringing the change in politics, but is your generation ready to pay the price for it?Recommend

  • http://www.facebook.com/Sir.Bakr Abu Bakr Agha

    @abhinav:

    Criticism is not only allowed, it is welcomed. Obviously the video was hilarious, i laughed too. But if you read about the laws of freedom of speech, it takes exception to making comments about people that would hurt them if they read it. Its called hate speech. Obviously you can’t control this on the internet, so i would not react this way if it stayed in Mr. Naqvi’s personal blog, but it was also published in the newspaper, which made it visible to a huge online and physical audience.. and I shared the opinion with many others that it was wrong.

    I also want to make it clear that if you read the post, i said “there are many of us for whom none of that is true”.

    People from my generation are not all over-privileged. Me included. I don’t know why people think it is that way.

    As for this generation bringing a change in politics, you have every right to doubt their/our capabilities. But what i can assure you is that the elder generation will not bring a change. If a change has to be, it will be from the youth. Recommend

  • hassan

    @Hasan:

    When you speak with your mouth frothing so indignantly, it is impossible to understand a single word of your rant…..

    Rants are just that…rants….not educated responses….

    One more characteristic to add : all Imran lovers, when faced with a criticism, instead of answering point by point, they resort to ad-hominem attacks and incoherent rants !!

    Gawd help us if the revolution is going to be happen with guys like you !!Recommend

  • zshan

    @Raza:
    Thank you. By that I have concluded that you are too ignorant to comprehend a simple piece of text. I will need to be much older to give you a label! I hope you get this one.Recommend

  • zshan

    @Hassan:
    i am many of these things but I love Imran khan. Why is that? I think you over-stretched the attack.Recommend

  • zshan

    @seeker:
    what are their negative points(facts)?Recommend

  • abhinav

    @Abu Bakr Agha

    I won’t call what mr. Naqvi has written a hate speech. You can call it politically incorrect though. You have all rights to protest, which you have done.
    People will start taking you seriously in politics when you start expressing your opinions on more serious matters. Recommend

  • Hassan

    @hassan:
    But this is the comments section of a blog can you actually hear me, can you also see me frothing at the mouth….do you have sight beyond sight???????

    Your inability to understand could directly be related to point number 1 ill repeat it for you

    All imran haters claim to be educated but that education has yet to impact their cognitive ability positively!!!!!!

    I will give educated responses when i am faced with educated questions, since we are adding to our lists here another little something for you

    All Imran Haters resort to whining when faced with ad-hominem attacks and incoherent rants by frothy mouthed Imran Admirers (lovers just sound iffy)

    Howwwwzaaaatttt!!!!!!!Recommend

  • Abu Bakr Agha

    @abhinav:

    I would not call it hate speech either. I was just explaining that freedom has its limits. If there is still some confusion over what me and Mr. Naqvi spoke about, please read the comments on his blog. Apart from that thank you for the advice I assure you that the youth we will live up to their responsibilities and is commenting on serious matters. This blog was not to serve that purpose.Recommend

  • Hassan

    @zshan:
    My sincere apologies. I think i might have just under done it a bit could have been so much better.Recommend

  • Waqas Ather

    Apropos to the above piece of writing i want to share some of my view in this regard.I am a Civil Engineer and deployed at remote field to explore Gas for the people of pakistan and reside here with all the necessary facilities of life.

    I lived in karachi studied form one of the best university of pakistan and getting a handsome salary ALHUMDULILAH, but i can imagine the pain of not having anything in the stomach . i have a sensitive heart too which throbe with the heartbeat of drone and target killings sufferers!!

    I am trying my circle of friends in building their faith in IMRAN KHAN !! and succeded alot,getup pakistanis before the target killers, drones and inflation tore you apart! it is the time to think wisely and stand beside IMRAN KHAN !!
    .Recommend

  • Arim

    @ H Khan:
    I hope you will try to act upon last part of your advise. Good luck.

    .
    @ Hassan:
    I am really sorry for your personal experiences you have had, you lost your mother I’m extremely sorry. But when we mention something or point out a set of group we define them by how the majority of that group does/wear/behave etc.

    .
    @ Waqas iftekhar
    I have no problem seeing Zohair toru or AbuBakr taking part in change. But the peoblem faced by biryani wala is entirely of different kind than the one who eats biryani from him. The magnitude of problem is different.

    .
    @ Fawad
    Care to explain else don’t misguide.Recommend

  • Arim

    @ AbuBakr, Fawad, Waqas Iftekhar, H Khan, Hassan:

    Instead of reacting try to understand what was been said by Mr Naqvi.

    A person who decides to go out for bringing a change doesn’t need to complain things like “Police humai maray gi to inquilaab kaisey aye ga?.. It has never happened in history that such people who complain like this bring revolution…!

    Show me even one example, I’ll leave for good.

    best of luck..Recommend