We need to stop exaggerating minority victimhood in India and Pakistan

Published: June 3, 2015

Narendra Modi, then Gujarat chief minister, receives flowers from a Muslim cleric. PHOTO: REUTERS

I had written in an article on this very forum some time back that many Indians and Pakistanis validate their deep-rooted nationalist prejudices by exaggerating the problems of the religious minorities on the other side of the border.

As an Indian, I have written articles informing my fellow countrymen that Pakistan has had a Christian Chief Justice, Justice Cornelius, and he remains one of their most respected judges till date, and the tiny Zoroastrian community in Pakistan, like its Indian counterpart, has produced many remarkable personalities, including prominent judges. These include Justice Dorab Patel, who has also served as chief justice, and Justice Rustam S Sidhwa who served in the Supreme Court of Pakistan as also the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia.

Other than judges, there have been businessmen such as the well-known Avari group in Pakistan, sportspersons like Goshpi Avari, a woman who won Pakistan a gold medal in sailing in the Asian Games, journalists like Ardershir Cowasjee, who is affectionately referred to as the old guardian of the city of Karachi, academicians like Godrej Sidhwa and diplomats like Jamsheed Marker, who has been Pakistan’s top envoy to the United States and more than a dozen other countries, more countries than any diplomat in the world and had earned the distinction of being the world’s longest serving ambassador.

While there indeed has been violence against the Pakistani Hindus – including abduction, forced conversion and forced marriage of girls, mostly in rural areas by Muslim extremists (usually not their neighbours) – Hindus do go to schools, colleges and offices alongside Muslims in Pakistan, making Muslim friends.

I once interacted with a school going Pakistani Hindu boy in Karachi who tops in academics and is a prefect. Hindus also pray alongside Muslims in Sufi shrines in that country. William Dalrymple has mentioned this composite Sufi culture in the province of Sindh in Pakistan in his highly acclaimed book ‘Nine Lives’, in which he mentions how a Sufi shrine at Sehwan is still being managed by a Hindu.

Many Pakistani Hindus based in the urban areas are prosperous businessmen, and people from that community have been civil servants (including diplomats, and there are reservations for Hindus and other religious minorities in government jobs), actors, sportspersons (two have made it in the cricket team, namely Anil Dalpat and more recently, Danish Kaneria), politicians (there are reservations in legislatures) including cabinet ministers, and even chief justice (Justice Rana Bhagwandas), and a very prominent fashion designer in Pakistan happens to be a Karachi-based Hindu, Deepak Perwani.

Diwali is openly celebrated in the political party offices in Pakistan, once even with Muslim politicians dressed up as characters from the Ramayan, which would certainly be abhorrent to fanatic Muslims, and Pakistan has had a deputy attorney general openly visiting places of worship of diverse faiths. Pakistan also observes a National Minority Day.

It is also noteworthy that Hindu temples have been renovated by the government, often with large amounts being pumped in for the purpose. In fact, there are even many functioning Hindu temples, including grand ISKCON temples, in Pakistan.

Also, though it is undoubtedly true that many Pakistani Hindus have sought refuge in India in recent years, the liberals in the Pakistani media have explored the reason for the same lying in Muslim extremism, and the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan has made great efforts to document the problems of the religious minorities and has taken steps to safeguard their rights.

Likewise, I have also written about the exaggerated portrayals of Indian Muslim victimhood, and this article is an example of the same, wherein I have dealt with the subject at some length. However, I may point out that unlike liberal Muslim intellectuals in Pakistan, most of whom are intellectually honest and though possibly sometimes resorting to hyperbole, do condemn those unjustifiably bashing their religious grouping and country, in India, among the liberal segment of the Hindus, there is a section that seeks to exaggerate minority victimhood beyond all reasonable limits, trying to showcase some rather baseless intellectually elitist superiority complex of being among the few Hindus in India who know what secularism or liberalism means.

This piece by Sanjay Kumar exemplifies this trend. While I am not an uncritical admirer of Narendra Modi or the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), as you can see here, lies and exaggerations are certainly unacceptable.

The incident of Mohamed Zeshan being denied a job based on his religion has only rightfully attracted much attention, but to draw sweeping conclusions from the same would be totally erroneous. For one, in Zeshan’s case, two Hindu applicants who were offered the job simultaneously refused the offer in protest, something even Kumar mentioned, and there was an uproar on social media by very many Hindus. I too, among many other Hindus, commented on Zeshan’s Facebook status condemning the incident and I specifically told him to take the matter to court and assuring him of the moral support of millions of tolerant Hindus, as you can see here, and within a few hours, he got an apology e-mail from the company.

The company has claimed that the offensive e-mail had been sent by a newly inducted employee and what she wrote was actually not in line with company policy. To be honest, while I did believe that openly citing not recruiting Muslims to be a reason in writing was obviously something that employee did of her own accord, I did not buy this claim of the company actually not being discriminatory till I learnt that the company claimed it already had 71 Muslim employees.

Nonetheless, the matter has gone to the National Commission for Minorities, which will hopefully punish whoever may be guilty, and indeed, the Indian judiciary has convicted many Hindu rioters, be it in connection with the anti-Sikh riots in 1984 or even the anti-Muslim riots in Gujarat in 2002 or the anti-Christian riots in the Kandhamal district of the province of Odisha in 2008. India has also seen terrorism by some Muslims and Sikhs and in India’s northeast, some Christians as well. While instances of discrimination and hate crimes, which may not always be along religious fault-lines, for instance, the Sindhi-Mohajir clashes in Karachi, do indeed unfortunately take place in very many pluralistic countries, even in the developed world, it is important that the victims get justice.

Some say that in India, Hindu victims of hate crimes by Muslim extremists inevitably get justice faster than Muslim victims of hate crimes by Hindu extremists, but that is a myth, as I have discussed here.

While this one instance of discrimination in employment amongst some others is obviously wrong, it is noteworthy that there are many Muslims employed in very many public sector and private sector companies, many of whom have been hired after Modi became prime minister, and many of India’s leading businessmen happen to be Muslims too.

Indian Muslims have excelled in all walks of life, including not only politics, cinema, music and other fine arts, business, sports, the judiciary, media and academia, but they have also occupied prominent positions in the Indian security forces, even winning gallantry awards, and intelligence agencies,  for instance, the current Intelligence Bureau chief is Ibrahim Khan, a Muslim, and many such prominent Muslim public figures in India have been very devout Muslims and even hailed from economically downtrodden backgrounds. A classic example being Dr APJ Abdul Kalam, a much loved personality in India who was the architect of India’s nuclear missile programme and went on to become India’s president, who was the son of a not-so-well-off Muslim cleric, and the same is true for cricketers Irfan Pathan and Yusuf Pathan as well.

It may also be noted that religion-based discrimination in India is actually not confined to being done by Hindus alone, and as you can see here, there are several Indian companies that state in their advertisements that they want only or preferably Muslim or Christian employees. I recall encountering one such advertisement of a software company asking for only Christian employees on the now defunct social networking site Orkut, and when I asked them the rationale, they said they want employees who can join them in prayer breaks during work, which hardly makes any sense in terms of justifying discrimination.

Kumar has also claimed that this is the hallmark of the Modi era of national politics in India, as if Modi instructed that human resource employee to send that e-mail. Or is he suggesting that Modi’s policies give a green signal to such a mindset? In that case, would he then care to explain why the BJP is often represented on television news debates by Aijaz Ilmi, a Muslim? Or why the BJP has been keen to induct new Muslim faces like MJ Akbar and Shazia Ilmi, the latter being someone who had earlier even actually told Muslims to be more communal?

Would Kumar care to explain why bureaucrat Syed Akbaruddin continued as the spokesman of India’s foreign ministry, and is believed to have become among Modi’s favourite bureaucrats, and why he got a further promotion? Would Kumar also explain why the BJP government is launching schemes for the religious minorities like Nayi Manzil as also another one named after India’s great national hero and first education minister Maulana Azad?

How does any of this suggest an indication of not having space for Muslims in workplaces? And if Kumar claims that these are token initiatives by the BJP to prove its secularism, doesn’t that also show the strength of Indian secularism that compels the BJP to take such initiatives?

He has even further stated about Modi that,

“There are two Muslim names in his ministry but both of them hold only minor posts.”

But while one holds a union cabinet minister rank like all the other union cabinet ministers and one holds a union minister of state rank like all other union ministers of state, how do their posts become “minor”. Or is it that our Kumar, whose heart bleeds so much for India’s religious minorities, ironically holds their portfolio of minority affairs to be a minor matter? And if he strangely does, let it be known that Indian democracy has a long tradition of cabinet reshuffles; so, Najma Heptullah, who is the cabinet minister for minority affairs, may get another portfolio subsequently, which possibly may not be “minor” as per Kumar.

He has also called all conversions by Hindu missionaries “forced” without any basis, and while they may be financially incentivised, that too, not necessarily, the way many conversions by Christian missionaries are believed to be, how can Kumar just call all of them forced? In the province of Kerala governed by the Congress party, the provincial government there accepted that none of the conversions by Hindu missionaries there were forced.

Kumar has further alleged that after the carnage in 2002 (in which, by the way, hundreds of innocent Hindus fell prey to attacks by Muslim rioters too, leading even many Hindus to shift to relief camps, something documented by Human Rights Watch and even some Indian media houses widely accepted as secular), Narendra Modi made no attempt to reach out to Muslims or demonstrate any commitment to religious pluralism as chief minister of Gujarat, and Kumar has subtly suggested that Modi’s emergence of India’s prime minister was owing to his having a hard-line Hindu rightist image, and also that no one in India condemned Hindu rightist leader Pravin Togadia’s disgusting remark that Muslims should be evicted from Hindu-majority localities (though it was widely condemned, and even Modi clearly said it was a petty and irresponsible remark). These are again lies, which I have busted in this article

While any communalism is obviously wrong and needs to be addressed, I myself have written a book aimed at addressing and dispelling anti-Muslim prejudices among sections of Hindus, exaggerations and lies do no good, and actually only deepen the divide, when made by those claiming to be champions of secularism, turning Hindus off secularism. These exaggerations and lies also obviously also strengthen Muslim communalism, and both the communalisms feed off each other by stereotyping the other religious grouping, pointing only to its communalists.

Karmanye Thadani

Karmanye Thadani

A lawyer by qualification, he is a freelance writer based in New Delhi, India. He formerly worked as a research associate in a leading Delhi-based public policy think-tank, the Centre for Civil Society (CCS), where he did research on primary education in India. While in high school, with a friend, he invented an eco-friendly, medically safe cleansing agent that was selected to be presented at the national level in the Intel Science Fair. He tweets as @KarmanyeThadan1 (twitter.com/KarmanyeThadan1)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Kushal

    sane article. but will it reach the fanatics on both sides? Don’t know.Recommend

  • Gullu Guddu and Gomnath

    Fell asleep after the third paragraph. Seems like it might be 1000 pages.
    Like ‘Gone With The Wind’.Recommend

  • Gullu Guddu and Gomnath

    Nope, aint reaching nobodyRecommend

  • Headstrong

    Appreciate your intent behind this sober article. Hope it leads to introspection all round, including yours truly…Recommend

  • stevenson

    You are spot on in your analysis. The problem we have in Pakistan is that we have a large migrant community in Karachi who likes to always compares what happens to their families left behind in India. They left their Muslim minority families in India and always want to justify their choice to move to Pakistan. Native Pakistanis like Punjabis, Sindis or Pashtuns don’t care about Indian Muslims or other Indian minorities in the same way. For them Bangladeshi Muslims, Indian Muslims, Sri Lankan Muslims are all the same.Recommend

  • http://itsfoss.com/ Abhishek Prakash

    Nice article. Extreme argument by Sanjay Kumar and Sapan Kapoor needed to be handled. These will be thoughts of any centralist person.Recommend

  • Milind A

    This was needed, after that Sanjay Kumar penned his drivel.. Sanjay Kumar who otherwise blamed Modi for Muslim discrimination for that Zeeshan episode, lacks the courage and intellectual honesty to credit the same Modi under whom Adani offered a job to Zeeshan.
    A good one, except that minority discrimination is far worse in Pakistan as its institutionalised and given constitutional sanction and it was sanitised in this article to put it on a equal footing with India..Add to it the secularism is inherent to India due to the philosophy and open (interpretation) structure of Hinduism..Recommend

  • The Truth

    I disagree. What you need to do is stop trying to draw any comparisons between how minorities are treated in India as compared to in Pakistan. You have to just look at fate of Hindus and Sikhs in W Pakistan, wiped out from 22% of population in 1947 to 1% today, to realize the scale of the dfference.Recommend

  • Hasan

    In Pakistan its not exaggerated; even the laws are discriminatory and apartheid.Recommend

  • George

    Well written article. My mom works at the convent school that was robbed last year. The whole school knows it’s a case of robbery but the media has projected it as though Modi & friends were behind the attack. Recommend

  • https://www.facebook.com/ ather khan

    the writer seems to a hindu nationalist himself, otherwise he would not just ignore the riots like that. some handful deaths of hindu attackers by some muslim victims couldn’t be termed equal. and no one convert to hinduism by will. what are the logic of hinduism other than it is the religion of forefathers. so why would anyone convert to hinduism if not they are monetarily bribed or threatened.Recommend

  • vasan

    Excellent reply to Kumar’s article.I hope he cares to read this and correct himself. Or may be he retains his “con”gress upbringing.Recommend

  • jssidhoo

    This might make interesting reading to my Pakistani friends http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Adani-hires-MBA-grad-who-was-denied-job-for-being-a-Muslim/articleshow/47486173.cms. Adani is supposed to be close to Modi.Recommend

  • Sane

    When PM of India Modi is among the 3rd most wanted terrorist of the world (reference : Google), then what should be expected from such a country. It is proved by many incidents that Indian givernmnet is directly involved in killing of Muslims and other minorities and terrorist activities by killing innocent citizens of neighbor countries.Recommend

  • Sane

    Very correct t you. Atrocities against minorities and killing them is an accepted act at least by Indian governmentRecommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    Thanks.Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    Thank you. And I agree with your comment.Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    Thanks.Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    If you have evidence of the conversions being forced, which even the Congress government of Kerala doesn’t have, why not move to the judiciary? And I don’t compare brutality of extremists in different religious groupings, but just pointing out that one-sided analyses are biased.Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    And how do you know that? You are entitled to find it lengthy and boring, but why imagine that everyone else will think the same way, when many others are not?Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    Pray, what is this ‘Google’ reference?Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    Thanks.Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    Thanks.Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    I was never equating India and Pakistan in the context of religious intolerance, but just pointing out how there are exaggerations for both. I agree that the situation is worse in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Hassan

    What utterly nonsense argument. who told you all this comparison stories and Muslims in Karachi justifying their migration!!!! your wrong when claiming punjabis and others native…u know what u did in the comment above….and i know where r u coming from….don’t think we r stupid…i am sure u r an Indian and i doubt on you to be a Muslim as well, this was really a bad trick like the bollywood movie ”Sarfarosh” which was a failed attempt to create a line between Muhajirs and the rest of Pakistanis, listen, nobody in Karachi thinks the way u thought them to…if it was not tribune i would have said some well deserving words for u.Recommend

  • Jehanzeb Mahar

    It would be better if you had admitted that like India, almost all of the religious conversions in Pakistan are voluntary Recommend

  • Jehanzeb Mahar

    The writer has accepted the role of money in conversions Recommend

  • Ansh

    Though article written with good intent and extremists are on the both side but reality is Pakistan’s minorities are second class citizens beacause constitution discriminate I.e. non muslim cant become PM, state declares ahmadi non muslims, blasphemy apply only for insulting Islam. Recommend

  • Sane

    Using google type “top ten terrorist”. You will know. Anyways I am amazed by your ignorance.Recommend

  • Gratgy

    haha! for you Google results are reference..

    Following your lead I typed “Top terrorist country” one of the top five results was a Pakistani flag

    When I type “terrorists” I see only people wearing Islamic attire in google results.

    By the way Google apologised to Modi yesterday.Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani
  • Karmanye Thadani

    The Pakistan Penal Code does prohibit outraging anyone’s religious sentiments, though the sentence is less harsh than for blaspheming against Islam.Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    Thank you for appreciating my article.Recommend

  • Gratgy

    Yet Pakistanis keep trying to justify the two nation theory by picking up random isolated incidents that happens in India to claim muslim victimhood like one guy not getting a job etcRecommend

  • Gratgy

    That is exactly what Jizyah is. Convert or pay upRecommend

  • Gratgy

    “and no one convert to hinduism by will”

    Shows your bias, We too do not understand why anyone in their right minds would convert to Islam.Recommend

  • Sane

    This is still available on Google at this time. Now cry and beg to Google for removing it. Facts have been known to whole world and removal shall not make any effect. Nevertheless, this is hard fact.Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    He never claimed to be a Muslim. In fact, if his name is actually Stevenson, he is most likely a Christian.Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    It is accepted even by the Pakistani government.Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    The condition is horrible in Pakistan, but many Indians do have an exaggerated view of the same, worse than the real picture, which is indeed quite bad.Recommend

  • Hassan

    And talking like as if he was born and raised in a Muslim Family, whoever he is but this was a hardliner indian statement.Recommend

  • Milind A
  • seismann

    There is a third option.”get murdered”Recommend

  • vasan

    Can u please provide any link to any quote by any official to that effect. Media jingoism wouldnt cut.Recommend

  • vasan

    He wouldnt admit as it is not voluntary. Ask the sindhi girlsRecommend

  • vasan

    Do u know anything about hinduism at all.Recommend

  • hnr

    It is important to note that minorities have increased in their numbers in India where as in pakistan they shrunk.Where is the question of oppression?Recommend

  • HZR

    Google is not some big time power to beg.they are begging in china to eb allowed to operate.Recommend

  • Gensys

    There is no need to justify partition and in retrospect it is good that happened.Look at the hatred that are brewing now even amongst the Muslims with sunni shia divide.Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    So as a Muslim Nationalist , you are of the opinion that conversions to Islam are only voluntary ….no force no monetary benefits.Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    In India , if there are conversions to Hinduism , then there are also conversions from Hinduism to Islam , Hinduism to Christianity , Hinduism to Buddhism.

    In Pakistan , while there is conversion from Hinduism , Christianity , Kalash faith etc. to Islam very common ; have there been conversions from Islam (dominaant faith) to these religions & are they common ?
    If not so , how can you compare the scenario.Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    They will ignore this one. I bet.Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    A good write-up though I disagree slightly wiith what you have written :
    1) In India : WE need to exaggerate minority victimhood to highlight them . For eg. beef-ban etc. Yes, it has its negative repurcussions like strengthening Muslim Communalims in India & even Pakistan (where there is more vigorous reportage regarding Indian Muslims than Pakistani non-Muslims). But overall , it helps to curb Maajoritarian Denialism (here Indian Hindu) & fight Hindu Communalism.

    2) On Pakistan , you were completely off . It seems that you were towing the line of Pakistani Status-quoists. Pakistani intellectuals rarely even talk about their own non-Muslim minorities. For eg. the Rohingaya incident too got more blogs & more concern from Pak intellectuals than alienation of Pak non-Muslims . A Statement by Rajnath Singh became a cause of hue & cry in both India (justifiable) & Pakistan (not justified) but the fact that Pakistani history does not even talk about non-Muslim histories or even pre-Islamic one rarely is lamented. An Indian Muslim boy denied job in India becomes a greater issue for Pakistan’s liberal media than their own 4000 non-Muslim citizens taking citizenship in India. REASON : Pakistan was created by Muslim Identity Movement (Communal Nationalism) & Pakistan’s Left-Liberals never divorced themselves from Muslim Identity Movement.Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    It is accepted even by Pak government ; it is just that your liberals are too over-burdened by the welfare of Muslims elsewhere that they do not look back at home .Recommend

  • Jehanzeb Mahar

    Conversions from Islam to other religions are rare all over the world. Further, there is no economic incentive for a person converting from Islam to other religion in Pakistan. But if one converts to Islam, there are religious welfare organizations which help. Also, there is fear of violence if someone leaves Islam, I admit it. The point I made was that the label of ‘forced conversion’ used by the media is a lie, both in India and PakistanRecommend

  • Jehanzeb Mahar

    Lol. I am myself a Sindhi living in Sindh, having Sindhi hindu friends. When a girl elopes, her family always accuses the boy of abducting their girl, irrspective of the religion of the boy and girl. Because in Asian culture, elopement is a matter of shame for the girl’s family.Recommend

  • devinder Singh

    Thanks bro, we knew indian media is very irresponsible. Gud lukRecommend

  • devinder Singh

    I think you should read historyRecommend

  • Rana Eddy

    “Forced conversion” is a lie in Pakistan???
    Go & ask Sindhi Hindu girls & their parents? In India , there is no forced conversion but incentive-induced conversion , which is also a fraud!Recommend

  • Brar

    And why only Hindu girls elope ?Recommend

  • Jehanzeb Mahar

    I think you want to ask: why don’t muslim girls elope with non-muslim boys. Well, it does happen, but it is very rare. And that too when the boy converts to Islam. And why does that happen, I have already explained in my reply to Rana Eddy aboveRecommend

  • Jehanzeb Mahar

    Please read my reply to vasan, belowRecommend

  • Jehanzeb Mahar

    I have read brief Indian history, but here we are talking about what is happening today. I reiterate that there is no forced conversion in PakistanRecommend

  • Abracadabra

    well said! unfortunately the press likes to sensationalize everything. we have a free press but how responsible is it? sadly this is a universal phenomenon – i don’t see a cure. The only cure is for people to acquire the intelligence and wisdom to see why people are saying what they are saying, to check different sources and then come to a conclusion. However, far too often, we like to live in an echo chamber of our own views.Recommend

  • Abracadabra

    well said! unfortunately the press likes to sensationalize everything. we have a free press but how responsible is it? sadly this is a universal phenomenon – i don’t see a cure. The only cure is for people to acquire the intelligence and wisdom to see why people are saying what they are saying, to check different sources and then come to a conclusion. However, far too often, we like to live in an echo chamber of our own views.Recommend

  • Sane

    Your Hindi fanatic PM Modi in his recent visit to Bangladesh confessed that India did state terrorism against Pakistan in 1970-71. After his confession no other proof required.; Your PM has cemented that India is epicenter of all terrorism in the world.Recommend

  • Sane

    Because they see lot of Indian movies.Recommend

  • Sane

    Why you not learn about Islam’s teachings.Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    He was talking as if he was born and raised in a Pakistani family, not necessarily a Muslim family. There are Christians in Pakistan too, isn’t it? And his statement didn’t seem hard-line at all, as much as you may disagree with it.Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    I completely disagree with both your points, but no offence, that would be a very subjective debate that would take us nowhere.Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    This was an insane comment that doesn’t merit a reply.Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    I agree. I was never equating India and Pakistan in the context of religious intolerance, but just pointing out how there are exaggerations for both. I agree that the situation is worse in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    Thank you.Recommend

  • Raghu Reddy

    Very rightly said. Its nonsense to see that any India issue gets exaggerated coverage while Pakistan’s own issues get sidelined, or covered under matress not shown to outside world lest reality come out, or issue burned until good times come where such issues dont exist and no one would have a chance to blame to Pak.Recommend

  • Raghu Reddy

    Its shameful that you could ignore the fact that religious conversion is voluntary in Pakistan. In India you would never NEVER SEE hindus saying ‘ HInduism is best religion’ in Muslim houses or in front of muslims, or slightly criticising or demeaning their religious attitudes, customs,festivals ,ethnicity,skin color etc.. A hindu is constantly berated in Pak’s news media. There arent any circumstances where a muslim feels he is insulted constantly forcing him to fee to be insulted about his religion.Circumstamces are created
    such that hindus convert.Recommend

  • Raghu Reddy

    Ridiculous, its Mohajirs who have good opinion of India and its mainly Punjabis who are army, political leaders who create or manufacture such opinions about Indian muslims in India.Recommend

  • Raghu Reddy

    You should be more worried about terrorists and killings in Pak. Leave India to Indians and how they deal with it. Its upto Indian system courts to deal with it.Recommend

  • abhi

    I am not sure if this comment will pass through.
    In Pakistan you often hear the news that Hindu girls are adbucted and then converted to Islam after force marriage. What is your stand on this issue? In Paksitan a prominent Cricket player has to convert in order to keep his place in team.Recommend

  • abhi

    As always you provide good entertainment.Recommend

  • Faraz Talat

    I’ve noticed that when people talk about someone blowing an issue “out of proportion”, the correct proportion for them is ‘zero’.

    They want the subject of minorities swept clear off the table, or at least downgraded to a one-liner footnote at a thousand page report on our sociopolitical woes; to a mere token to wave in people’s face who accuse them of bias.

    Your apprehension about liberals’ “religious grouping” is pulled straight out of ancient tomes of sociology, when people used to think that discrimination is to be solved through ‘identity blindness’. “Oh, I don’t see race, caste or religion”. You should. You need to be keenly aware of their “religious group”, and the history of what that group has went through as a minority in a Hindu dominant country.Recommend

  • Rana Eddy

    ##They want the subject of minorities swept clear off the table, or at least downgraded to a one-liner footnote at a thousand page report on our sociopolitical woes; to a mere token to wave in people’s face who accuse them of bias.##

    I hope you agree that the above is more of a Pakistani phenomenon than Indian or even Bangladeshi ; a fact that is exemplified by the dearth of writing on & even by Pakistan’s own non-Muslims. In fact even issues of Islamophobia in India or even the West garners more attention here than the issues of the above.
    If Pak readers want to read about Hindutva or Indian Muslim issues , they very well can read the Hindu , Indian Express or even Kafila .Why does the ET , DAWN etc. give more hype to the latter than to the former ?Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    I have never said that an analysis of history should be identity-blind, or that the discrimination or violence suffered by those belonging to India’s religious minorities should not be placed on the historical record.Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    Pakistani cricketers like Anil Dalpat, Danish Kaneria, Duncan Sharpe, Wallis Maths and Antao D’Souza didn’t have to convert. Just because one player converted for whatever reason, you can’t make this sweeping assumption.Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    Thanks.Recommend

  • Karmanye Thadani

    The discussion strayed from the topic.Recommend

  • maynotmatter

    You know every word of yours can simply be proven to be a lie and full of hatred.Recommend