As a constitutional kafir I ask, does my religious freedom hurt you this much?

Published: April 7, 2015

If you are truly hurt by the exercise of my basic religious freedom, let me know how I can help you get over your troubled sensibilities.

Yesterday, a very close family friend – someone I have always considered an uncle – was arrested in Pakistan. His crime: he had printed verses from the Holy Quran in an Urdu publication.

My uncle is an Ahmadi, and under Pakistan’s notorious anti-Ahmadi laws, he committed a ‘crime’ punishable by at least three years imprisonment and a fine. The law states that an Ahmadi who “poses as a Muslim hurts the religious feelings of Muslims”.

In the late 80s, three of my maternal uncles spent time behind bars under these same anti-Ahmadi laws for the crime of saying the Kalimah. Thousands of Ahmadis – and every Ahmadi family have their own story to tell – have been imprisoned for their basic religious profession since the promulgation of these laws in 1984. Tired of my friends and family being jailed for their religious freedoms, I am writing this to seek answers. I am addressing you, the constitutionally accepted Muslims of Pakistan.

But first some lessons from history.

With the advent of Islam in seventh century Arabia, the early Muslims faced brutal persecution at the hands of the Meccan Mullahs. Offended by Prophet Muhammad’s (pbuh) faith and teachings, they curtailed the freedoms and rights of the early converts.

The Muslims were stopped from calling themselves Muslims. Instead, they were forced to refer to themselves as ‘Sabis’. They were punished if caught praying or reciting revealed Quranic verses. They were forbidden from going close to the Ka’aba. They were not permitted to proclaim the unity of God. They were forbidden the profession and propagation of their newfound faith, and the consequences of doing so were dire. Many early Muslims were tortured, many killed and eventually almost all were forced out of Mecca.

The feelings of the Meccans were hurt by the religious freedom of the early Muslims, who were considered heretics in their own city.

Fast forward to the current age – this tragic story is repeating itself in the same detail in Pakistan today. The Pakistani state claims that you, the constitutionally recognised Pakistani Muslims, are hurt by my religious freedom.

As an Ahmadi, I am not permitted to refer to myself as a Muslim in Pakistan, not even in many otherwise liberal publications. The state tells me that this “hurts your religious feelings”.

I am not permitted to refer to my place of worship as a mosque because the state tells me that this also “hurts your religious feelings”. I cannot risk being caught reading the Holy Quran or saying my prayer because I am told this offends you too.

I cannot say the Islamic creed or Kalimah openly. Apparently, such profession of the oneness of God and the truth of Prophet Muhammad’s (pbuh) message also “hurts your religious feelings”.

I cannot use Islamic epithets. I cannot risk saying the Salam openly. I have to make sure I only say it in the presence of people I trust. I cannot risk printing words like Insha Allah and Masha Allah on wedding cards. The state tells me you find this equally distressing. It tells me that you have the sole copyright to these epithets. As a constitutional kafir, I have no right to use such sacred terms.

In fact, any statement or act of mine that can remotely be interpreted as “posing as Muslim” hurts you in one way or another. And for hurting your feelings, the state believes I must be punished with at least three years in jail on top of a hefty fine.

Given the number of things that offend you, ladies and gentlemen, I suppose I need to be grateful for many things. I must be grateful I was allowed to keep a ‘Muslim name’ while in Pakistan. I suppose I must be thankful for wearing a prayer cap on occasion which did not provoke your anger. I should be thankful that my family aqiqas (birth celebrations), nikkahs and janazas (funerals) did not offend you as much as my Eids did. Or maybe they offended you but you were kind enough to let me get away with them.

Thank you very much.

Now that another of my uncles is in jail for hurting you, I am writing to ask you this – why the hell are your feelings so fragile and insecure? What is wrong with you folks?

The state has jailed another Ahmadi in your name. So if you are truly hurt by the exercise of my basic religious freedom, let me know how I can help you get over your troubled sensibilities. One thing you should know for sure is that it will not stop me from reading the Holy Quran or saying my prayer or believing in Islam.

If my freedoms do not hurt you and the state is lying in your name, then you must protest these crimes. It is your moral responsibility to do so because it is you the state is punishing me for. Let the state know you do not endorse this injustice. Let it know that your faith is not so insecure and your feelings not so fragile that my basic freedoms would shatter them to pieces.

Your voice can help put an end to the senseless state-backed persecution of Ahmadis in Pakistan. Your voice can prevent another of my friends from going behind bars.

Speak up.

kashif.chaudhry

Kashif Chaudhry

A graduate of King Edward Medical University, Lahore and Mt Sinai University Hospital in New York, Kashif is currently completing his Cardiology fellowship in Boston, USA. He writes for various American newspapers and Pakistani publications and blogs at the Huffington Post. His interests include medicine, human rights and interfaith dialogue. He tweets @KashifMD (twitter.com/KashifMD)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • L.

    Where does Allah say in the Quran or anywhere else as a matter of fact that he will not communicate with humans?? God is a living God!

    I’ll reference you to the following link since its you who needs to touch up on your knowlegde:
    http://www.alislam.org/books/3in1/chap2/index.html Recommend

  • L.

    Tell me, did God speciafically tell you that a Ahmadis are not Muslim?? I don’t understand how a Muslim can go far as to claim to know what God knows! You are not a god, so sit back down because your opinion is not valid. You have no right to decide who is or isn’t a Muslim -.-

    We are NOT going to change our beliefs. EVER. You want to continue to declare us kafirs? Go on. You will be the ones answerable to The Lord on the Day of Judgement.

    Oh and keep dwelling in that hatred of yours, let’s see how far you get in life. Recommend

  • نائلہ

    WORD! Recommend

  • L.

    Do you think God will let an imposter’s group of people multiply like we have? Simple question. If you know anything about Ahmadis- Do you think Allah the Almighty will continue to bless the people who are apparently preaching against the so called “fundamental” belief of Islam? Recommend

  • democracy

    Sorry… I am confused now. You are saying that Muslims convert to Ahmadiyat?? Then, you say that you are “Muslims”.. If you guys are Muslims then how come there are conversions? Moreover, do cite the source that Ahmadis outpace all other Muslims..
    If you had read my comment earlier on (carefully and not to give a rebuttal), thats what my point is…First, you guys are not KAAFIR- neither are Christians and Jews.. You are considered Non-Muslims. Now, you can never change this law unless and until you become a part of assemblies. To become a part, you have to compromise on sth. If you don’t want to compromise, then you can’t expect a change to happen..
    Can you call azaan aloud in US? i.e. on a loud speaker so that everyone in the area hears that- the way it is supposed to be done in Islam ? No, you can’t..Because it is against the US law. In such scenarios, Muslims compromise and call out Azaan so that its just heard inside the mosque. But they still call out Azaaan.
    Similarly, to bring change you have to vote by compromising a bit. Calling yourself Muslims is unlawful right now. But follow the law, vote, run campaigns and hopefully in the coming years, we could see a change. You can compromise your faith on paper but Allah knows better if you are Muslim or not.. Faith is in the soul and not on papers.
    The problem with Ahmadis is that they see themselves as aliens..If 20 doctors would be murdered in Pakistan and there would be one or two Ahmadis, then you guys start saying Ahmadi doctors are being murdered.. However, the reality is “Pakistani doctors are being murdered”. Similarly, if Imran Khan took a name of an Ahmadi as a Fin. Min. it was the name of an oversees Pakistani..
    No one calls Edhi Sahib a Muslim social worker.. He is a Pakistani and thats what we all need to learn to save Pakistan and all of us..Recommend

  • L.

    We are Ahmadi Muslims and that’s what we shall call ourselves, regardless of who has a problem with it. Recommend

  • Molly Lee

    Shameful religious jahil zealots that the corrupt Govt. doesn’t have the courage to take on. Until this corrupt feudal govt. ends the persecution of all things deemed non-wahabi/sunni will be persecuted. We haven’t seen the worst – this will NOT end well until we have a strong leader who can rise against the machine of fundamentalism in Pakistan.Recommend

  • democracy

    Mullana Sahib: non-Muslims is not the same as kafir. Now, do some research and then say sth.. IF you think so, that kafir and non-muslim is same then I pity your thoughts..It means you think Jews and Christians are also kafir?? What a shame..Empty vessel makes the most noise..

    “People like me”?? Do YOU know me? I might be a Christian who strongly believes in democracy. Christians, Hindus and everyone else participates in the elections. Check out the rate of persecution of these communities but they do have the courage to stand up for their rights! When sth happens they do have a representative come on TV and express their POV. You guys lack the courage…and thats it.
    Now you are saying that I m spreading hate..Check out your comment and check out mine. Feel the difference..Recommend

  • democracy

    Bhutto and Mirza Sahib were buddies. The betrayal between friends may be screwed your community up. So, you need to change the law yourselves. The change is going to help only Ahmadis. The regular Muslims are not impacted by this law.Recommend

  • democracy

    LOL..Mr. S. Did I ever say that “why” don’t u vote. I said u dont vote. Zafarullah Sahib did not offer Jinnah’s Janaza because Ahmadis don’t offer Janaza of anyone who doesn’t believe in Mirza Sahib. Thats what I know from my Ahmadi friends. No matter your best friend’s mother has been really kind to you. Picked you up from school, bought you gifts, loved you etc etc. When she dies, you won’t offer Janaza of hers. Because her love and loyalty on one side and your belief on one. Even Rasool SAW used to pray for deceased souls no matter Jew or Christian. But no Ahmadis won’t.
    Jinnah died in 1948. This constitution came up in 1974!
    I personally don’t care if someone offers a janaza or not. That is Sir Z’s problem but shouldn’t be linked with the Ahmadi community together.
    Mr. S, actually Pakistan is suffering from the Post-cold war and post- his HOLINESS ZIA Ul HAQs trauma not post 1974 constitution.
    Forced?? LOL
    Lets see.. Do we sign the assylum applications for you? You do that yourself..Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    https://www.alislam.org you will have to click this link to find out about the Ahmadiyyah Muslim Community, I am not sure how much I will be allowed to write here. ET never censors my comments but even they have to keep their offices open and they won’t want any lawsuits slapped on them,Recommend

  • democracy

    If Obama had thought of the kind of treatments Americans did to the Blacks, he would have never tried to run an election campaign fearing that they have been so racist and blah blah..
    If we don’t take stuff to court and adopt the legal means, we would be fighting with one another.. This leads us all nowhere..
    To get a productive result, adopt the legal path.Recommend

  • siesmann

    People like you make Islam look like a heretic cult!!One who believes him to be a Muslim is going to be so,whatever persecutions you subject them to.You guys want to play Allah-the greatest shirk.Don’t expect 72 hoors,there are fires waiting on you in hell.Recommend

  • siesmann

    But many in India go berserk when christians “lure” them into their fold.Recommend

  • Muhammad Irfan Khan

    As you don’t agree with the basics, why do you like to call yourself Muslim? These few sacred words are meaningful when you agree with the basics otherwise these are merely words for you. You do read Holy Quran and use these words but it would not make you Muslim until unless you agree with the fundamentals. Most of my christian friends use these words and I am perfectly fine as they call themselves Christians not Muslim. Whereas you are attacking our basics and that hurts us most. Understand….!Recommend

  • siesmann

    What a stupid argument.Ahmadis won’t pass such draconian laws and not go in blood-thirsty hordes after Ghalibinians to kill them,as is done by your sort of false Islam.Only mullahs are who want to play God and punish and push them out off His fold.Recommend

  • Mahrukh

    Utterly ashamed at how the government promotes persecution of Ahmedis. I stand for every “Pakistani”..be he Ahmedi, Shia, Sunni, Christian, Hindu etc. Lets stop dividing! Recommend

  • siesmann

    Well you read their books ;and know your Quran better if you want others to believe Islam as a peaceful religion,and the claim that it is for whole humanity.You wish to follow hate-filled mullahs who pick things out of context to spread their venom;and when others say things about Quran and Muslims ,you and them cry that it is being quoted out of context.What bigots!!!!Recommend

  • siesmann

    Yes ,explained beautifully the hatred that mullahs are so fond of ,and you follow the mad mullahs.Recommend

  • siesmann

    Mullahs live in 7th century and constantly are pulling Pakistan back into it.They would even push it back into stone age if that be possible.Recommend

  • siesmann

    you mean “bitter” place !!!!!Recommend

  • http://kashifmd.com/ Kashif Chaudhry

    1) Pakistan is the only country that has laws such as the Ordinance XX.
    2) I do write against Islamophobia as well. Of the last four articles I wrote on this forum, two address growing Islamophobia in the West. Take a read.

    Rather than whataboutery, condemn the growing anti-Ahmadi bigotry and persecution in Pakistan. Its the only right thing to do. Unless you believe the Meccan Mullahs were also justified in persecuting the early Muslims.Recommend

  • siesmann

    Yes ,cry yourself but keep hurting and killing others.Forcing things onto others is the exclusive right of Pakistanis.And it is your favourite China that has laws against beards and veils,none else.Recommend

  • http://kashifmd.com/ Kashif Chaudhry

    Ahmadi Muslims believe in Prophet Muhammad (as) as the Khataman Nabiyeen. But whereas you have the right to disagree with our interpretations of faith, you have no right to persecute or oppress us for our religious freedoms and rights. That is all I am saying. Unless you believe the Meccan Mullahs were also justified in persecuting the early Muslims, the world will only see you as a hypocrite.Recommend

  • http://kashifmd.com/ Kashif Chaudhry

    Thanks deltree. The fact that early Muslims were persecuted did not mean they were not true. All divine communities go through persecution and oppression. Here is a little glimpse at the “help” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OuZIxSDZ_sRecommend

  • siesmann

    But then how will she be able to hate if she knows the translation?She should first ask mullahs about giving her rights.They keep on insisting four witnesses,child marriage,and any and everything that is against her gender.Recommend

  • http://kashifmd.com/ Kashif Chaudhry

    I am sorry I came across as harsh to you. May be some Meccans thought the same about the early Muslims when they complained about the brutal persecution they faced in Mecca.Recommend

  • http://kashifmd.com/ Kashif Chaudhry

    // just say what you are and people will have no issue with you//

    I am an Ahmadi Muslim. I just said what I am. Will you still have issue with me? Let me know how I can help you get over your troubled sensibilities brother Muhammed. I am here to help.Recommend

  • siesmann

    For people like abc Inshaallah means “I am Allah” and “I have power to take people out of His fold”.That is not shirk for him.Recommend

  • http://kashifmd.com/ Kashif Chaudhry

    Watch this and you will know why Ahmadi Muslims cannot vote in Pakistan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSKEPtoP9fsRecommend

  • http://kashifmd.com/ Kashif Chaudhry

    Salam Ajay, yes I did and I continue to do. All you need to do is read my last piece on this very forum. Thanks.Recommend

  • siesmann

    Well,when bllod-thisrty people like you are around who will dare to come back. A few months back an Ahmadi cardiologist came to volunteer into your bigoted country and was shot dead by your ilk.For you truth is harsh,but killing human beings and persecuting them isn’t.And people can only be saved from humans ,not from savages.Recommend

  • http://kashifmd.com/ Kashif Chaudhry

    I am hurt that you did not use a capital ‘K’ with my name. I hereby introduce an ordinance that will jail you for hurting my feelings.

    Humor aside, Ahmadi Muslims do believe in Islam in its entirety – five pillars, six articles etc. We believe Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is Khataman Nabiyeen. But lets say we did not, no human authority has right to put me behind bars for my religious beliefs. Speak up against this religious persecution.

    PS: Definition of a Muslim: http://www.examiner.com/article/defining-a-muslim-is-the-pakistani-constitutions-s-definition-islamic Recommend

  • siesmann

    Including Megalomania !!Recommend

  • Usman

    . You are ahamadi who are non muslim but surely you will not be kaafir as you atleast believe in one GODRecommend

  • isapien

    I’m quite happily an ex-Muslim. Decades spent trying to argue that it’s not Islam, it’s this interpretation or that. But the same problems arise from Islam in the East as it does in the West. Violent suppression of non-Muslims, treatment of non-Muslims as inferior. The warlike approach to anyone different. It’s within the framework of Islam itself, we can’t just look to things outside it to blame. They’re persecuting Ahmedis is Pakistan. They’re persecuting Christians in Kenya. They’re murdering Shias in Iraq. Muslim against non-Muslim. Muslim against other Muslims. And this has been the case since Islam’s birth.Recommend

  • Fatima Arain

    well i m against this persecution of Ahemdis but u people should now consider yourselves as non Muslims …. this belief is the one which makes us muslims.. yes you cannot pose as a Muslim not because this hurts our feelings but to differentiate between u and us… back in the past before such laws ahmedis never revealed their faith and this led to marriages between Muslims and ahmedis…. to stop this such laws were put into affect which make u people declear your faith…..
    your beliefs contradict ours so its better to for u people to now call yourselves as ahmedis and not as muslims….Recommend

  • isapien

    India’s doing FAR better than its Muslim neighbors, Pakistan and Bangladesh. The beef ban is only in a certain region, and the ban may be seen as a failure to adhere to secularism, but I’d say that’s hardly noteworthy compared to Muslims massacring school kids. A Muslim has no footing when he uses the phrase “forced converting”. No non-Muslim country has a serious a problem with that as the Muslim ones, where non-Muslims are persecuted until they convert, or leave.Recommend

  • abhi

    so militry victory is proof of true religion? Then I guess George Bush is new messanger.Recommend

  • bodla

    Malik sahib: what if they truly believe in “there is none worthy of worship but Allah and that Muhammad (saw) is His prophet”.?Recommend

  • Fasih

    Hate is never preached in our religion besides who are we to judge the faith of anybody, do namazain perh ker mazhab ke thaikaydar bantay hain hum… And why would they convert? When we have been the worst examples for REAL muslims.Recommend

  • Malik

    @UE Malik I think you misread read it again now.

    Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad DID NOT “bring forth a new book”. We believe Holy Prophet PBUH to be the last law bearing prophet. After him, Islam’s teachings WILL NOT BE CHANGED.

    So yes there is different between Rasool and Nabi and Mirza sb (A.S) claimed himself as Nabi not Rasool ( here Rasool means a Nabi with new book and Shariat so if you use terms reversely then change them in my statement as well) . So you need to read and read a lot and try to understand as well.Recommend

  • Fasih

    Dude are you forgeting the gujrat slaughter ??Recommend

  • Malik

    Your comment and explanation is based on the logic of Arab of Makkah 1400 years ago, they were hurt by the same and you’re by the same even after 1400 years, so you can understand where you’re standing (with Makkah people not with muslims) and if anyone claimed again then not a single Ahmadi’s feelings gets hurts and no law will be made because we’ve Caliph and we’ll be intact.Recommend

  • Faraz Talat

    Well said.

    The height of bigotry against the Ahmadi community is truly astonishing. Religious belief must never be accepted as an excuse to strip another person of his civil rights.Recommend

  • JS

    There is a little event in the Muslims world you should know about, called the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. That explains the animosity between Muslims and Jews. Yes, he should not have said “even”, but it is better than the usual antisemitism (or anti-Arab/Muslim sentiment) espoused by others.Recommend

  • Mohsen Gohden

    There are so many types of Muslims that no matter what kind you are there is another Muslim who thinks you don’t qualify to be one. Everyone should be allowed to label themselves and stay out of each others business.Recommend

  • Mohsen Gohden

    Pakistan hasn’t banned google yet have they?Recommend

  • Zarif Ahmad

    Actually the Ahmadies are well versed with sound arguments of the Holy Quran and Hadith to win over, on the other side the Mullahs are not only corrupt they are illiterate as well. It is not that the feelings of certified Muslims are so delicate that they are injured by posing Ahmadi as a Muslim, it is the jealousy of the Mullah and self defeat which they want to hide behind the curtain of hurting their feelings. As the Street power is in the hand of Mullah, any one raising their voice, Mullah wouled label him Qadiani, So very few people would dare to raise there voice against sheer atrocities. Mullah wanted to stop the spread of Ahmadies by hook or by crook.
    Zarif AhmadRecommend

  • Yo2Da2

    The problem with religion – any religion – can be when people endow it with supernatural qualities and then start believing in them literally, including the irrational and contradictory parts. As an unbeliever and a rational person, I am amazed and bemused at the kind of stuff people argue about in these religion-tinged blogs and take them seriously, quoting from some common book and history but arriving at conflicting conclusions, and then going at each other with alarming animus, which if it were face to face, and not in the virtual space of the Internet, could result in real violence. (We see real battles and wars being fought today based partially on ancient ideologies.) Admit or not, centuries later, we are far more advanced in every sphere of existence than ever: knowledge, ethics, morality, logic, science, human rights, governance, legal standards, tolerance than any thinking humans were capable of doing then. After all. religion and all human knowledge is based on thinking by human beings – whether you like it or not. If the only evidence you can offer is the same old circular reasoning, then take a time-machine back to the olden days when illogic reigned supreme. You will be happy; we will be happy. Religion (and all the other differences we see as “real’) is not encoded in our biology or genes. Examine the DNA of a Muslim, Hindu, Christian or an atheist from Pakistan and you will find no difference, including in terms of religion. Why an Ahmedi is not considered a “real” Muslim in Pakistan? It is certainly not because of your DNA, the only reality that counts.Recommend

  • MoJo

    You are miss informed buddy. Present day india is responsible for converting muslims and christians to hinduism. The indian government is involved in this act of lowliness. Pakistan was created for muslims, but the government continues to protect minorities in all matters of life.Recommend

  • Yo2Da2

    Parvez, you are the rational one! For the good of the state of Pakistan, why not ban all fanatical Muslims as non-Muslims and see your nation flourish? Just a suggestion.Recommend

  • Yo2Da2

    Kashif, very interesting and sad piece. But I am curious: You said there were mullahs before or outside Islam?Recommend

  • Holy Blabber

    Are you saying: A rose by any other name, etc. etc.?Recommend

  • Holy Blabber

    Shaikh Sahib, don’t be bitter. Get even! :-)Recommend

  • Holy Blabber

    Ms. Jabeen, are you then saying that there is no hope for reform in Islam today or ever? It is great hearing from an authentic person from the 7th Century.Recommend

  • Bilal

    Muslims are persons who obey to the Qur’an as words of Allah and the hadith as words of the last prophet and rasool of Allah as stated by Allah in the Qur’an.Based on this criteria ,all qadiyanis (ahmadis) are not real and true muslims They are non muslims because they believe that Muhammad pbuh was not the last prophet and rasool of Allah. They believe that Gulam Ahmad was their prophet too. Recommend

  • Yo2Da2

    I think you meant “intra-faith” dialogue, not “inter-faith” dialogue. When I hear about inter-faith dialogue in the U.S. by the “Let’s Sing Kumbaya” crowd I am always wary (and weary) of such attempts to create religious harmony among people of different religions. The case of the Ahmadiyyas proves there is no room even for an “intrafaith” dialogue among the Islamic literalists, who seem to dominate the monologue.Recommend

  • Yo2Da2

    I weep for your community. Truly sad. Maybe those who suffer injustice (or could foresee it 23 years in the future) are the only ones who understand injustice towards others.Recommend

  • PrasadDeccani

    Very difficult to believe that people like you are actually living on this planet even today.Recommend

  • Chitral wala

    They had a Ghar Wapsi ceremony at Aligarh Muslim University.
    A forced conversion of Muslims to hinduism. Specially held
    ceremony on the university campus. About 200 Muslims were converted to hinduism at gunpoint. [of course the guns were under the dhotis of the saddhus and swamis.]
    This happened last December. 2014Recommend

  • all are equal

    Oh really, if you so concern about beef ban in India then why don’t legalize pork (pig) in Pakistan. Person need to respect others religion if he/she wishes others to respect their ownRecommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    And you should try to get your head out of conspiracy theories and into the real world. When I see posts like the one given in the screenshot below I cry at the state of mind some people have. For you guys everything is a conspiracy, everyone is out to get you and the only person telling the truth is the extremist Mullah spewing hatred from the local madrassaRecommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    this is got to be one of the most ill informed posts I have ever read, and believe me I have read my fair share. The Most holiest Man who ever lived, the Holy Prophet SAW never declared anyone a “non muslim” in his entire life. there was only one list of muslims made in the life of the Holy Prophet SAW and do you know what he commanded? “Go and write for me the name of every person who calls himself a muslim”. this is what he did, and here we have people like you who want to do the exact opposite.
    And secondly, who are you to decide what the true teachings of a religion are. Bring forth ONE SINGLE person from the last hundred years who has not been called a “KAFIR”, “MURTAD”, “zINDIQ”, and a plethora of other things by other muslims and By God I will accept whatever he tells me about religion. But you do not have a SINGLE man among these so called custodians of faith who is pure and whose understanding of religion is uncontested, so who gave this motley crew of murdering mullahs to decide what is religion? You should take some time to read the paper issued after Bhutto as hanged. It is a document issued by the government of Pakistan (who you think never errs) and it details the sins committed by those Mullahs who signed the law into constitution. I think you will remember “Mullah whiskey” Kausar Niazi, the great custodian of Mullah Istic faith.Recommend

  • UE Malik

    and Ahmedis have joined Israel’s Army Can any Ahmedi deny this reality????Recommend

  • UE Malik

    and Ahmedis have joined Israel’s Army Can any Ahmedi deny this reality????Recommend

  • SOHOMAN

    Ahmadi Doctors get killed for being Ahmadhis, and Muslim doctors get killed for being rich or for any other reason but not for following a faith.Recommend

  • Qaiser

    Actually, Allah did us who are Muslims. That is by confirming Tauheed and Khattam e Nabooat In the Noble Quran. Anybody who goes outside these parameters is entitled to do so but doesn’t remain a Muslim. Simple, isn’t? Recommend

  • http://www.cynic.in Syed Zafar Ahmad

    I am surprised you still do not admit that a section of Pakistan’s citizens is deprived of its right to life. If you do not find anything wrong with the systematic persecution of the Ahmadiyya community, you are either grossly ill-informed or naive. The root cause is immoral declaration of an entire community as ‘non-Muslim’. How can the state act ‘God’ abd abrogate to itself the right to define who is a Muslim and who is not? And you support such illegality with your verbose? Wake up dear friend, and raise your voice to mend the system or else the country would be repeating history, and would be doomed as were the cases with all those mighty and arrogant nations.Recommend

  • Gratgy

    If Islam was given by Allah, then why do certain Sunnis claim copyright over it? And if Islam belongs to Allah the It should be left to Allah to decide who is Muslim and who is not?Recommend

  • RFD

    Gosh darn ! The man used Shiites ! Penciled it in too.
    Had no idea Shias are allowed freedom of expression in ET.
    Nobody said anything ! Thought it was only Salafis/Khwarijis who
    were catered to here.Recommend

  • Gul Zaman Ghorgasht

    OK. Good. Fine. Great. Majority, here, is on your side.
    Scratch that, 90% are with you. Including THIS commenter.
    The rest will never be convinced. So just tone it.Recommend

  • http://www.cynic.in Syed Zafar Ahmad

    It is strange that you have taken on yourself the right to decide who is a Muslim and who is not. Please note that the Ahmadis are not answerable to you, the Mullahs or the state itself. You will however be answerable to Allah for trying to stop the Ahmadis in the conduct of their religious obligations, including Hajj, similar to what the kuffars of Mecca did during the time of holy Prophet (sas).Recommend

  • siesmann

    US laws is for every religion.They wont tolerate the noise just because Azaan is to be for Muslims.Azaan was said ,anyway,before speakers were invented.Recommend

  • siesmann

    You cant be Chrisitian,Hindu etc. thinking of living in your society might as well commit suicide.Recommend

  • Miyagi Jr.

    So anti-ahmadiyya laws were enacted to stop intermarriages! LMFAO
    Ahmadis started hiding their IDs after the anti-ahmadiyya laws were promulgated, not before! Why would they hide before, just so that they could marry, com’on. At least put some weight in your argument. This is getting ridiculously now.Recommend

  • Khalid

    I think as much as we need to respect your choice of religion we also need to recognize what is the state law and why was that enacted. Ahmedis were declared Non Muslim by the parliament of Pakistan led by a secular leader Bhutto and Mirza Nasir ( if I am not wrong) was member parliament and was given ample opportunities to prove otherwise. Though apparently these people claim to believe in FINALITY of the Rasool Allah sallala Ho alay wasallam the claims , writings and speeches of their leader Mirza Ghulam Ahmed are contrary to this claim. There are many resources available online for Ahmedis to refer to, value the evidence and then make up their minds. Most of the Ahmedis are probably not exposed “completely” to the writings and sayings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed and therefore fail to see the REASONS of them being declared Non Muslims. So Once you are Non Muslim then your claims about ISLAM and its practitioners ( or non practitioners as most of the Muslims of today are) can hurt Muslims and hypocrisy hurts.Recommend

  • Saqib

    I read all the comments and your article and no one who is supporting this article has mentioned that this law was made because it shakes the very basic, basic tenets of Islam that is the last prophet hood of Hazrat Muhammad (Peace be upon him). Now if you shake this concept you can become anything but Muslim. Now If you are not supporting this thing and also wants to live like other religions (I would not called them minorities and advocate equal rights for them) in Pakistan it is pretty fine. But once you call yourself Muslim then this basic should be adopted. Most of the Ulemas term it a conspiracy to shake basic tenets of Islam. Just like other conspirators are doing. I know you will be calling me conspiracy theorist but this had been in the history for number of times to keep Muslims away from the love of Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon Him) and many Ulemas consider the current Ahmadi movement as one of them.
    As it is proverb your liberty ends where my nose starts. Similar attacks like mock cartoons of the Holy Prophet are made in the name “FREEDOM” of religion.Recommend

  • 1031

    As a pakistani who really agrees with what you say, I can only beg of you to stay loyal to this country, . Hopefully a time will come when the same people will apologize for their ignorance.Recommend

  • Divyo singh

    I can see how minorities( Ahmadi) are treated by “educated” class of pakistan.., here in this blog itself…and whole world knows the condition of christians in pakistan… LOL your govt is protecting them well..congrats..Recommend

  • Miyagi Jr.

    Ahmadi muslims follow the Quran and Sunnah, not politics. now I know the mods won’t let me quote any Quranic verses or hadith for some reason, so I will just give you the numbers. chapter 4:59, where Allah has clearly stated who to obey and in what order. There Allah never mentioned the ruler as being a Muslim ruler, or not to follow a non-Muslim ruler. Then couple of very well known ahadith where Prophet Muhammad pbuh have clearly stated that “Love of one’s country is part of faith”. he never mentioned love of one’s islamic country. and again at other point He said Whoso obeys the ruler obeys me, and whoso disobeys the ruler disobeys me” and another “Listen to and obey your ruler, even if you [despise him]”
    As we can see there is corroborating evidence that just as in the ahadith the religion of the ruler is not mentioned, nor is it mentioned the country to be a Muslim country. Quran clearly and plainly states Who to follow after God and the Prophet. Ahmadis are sticking to Quran Sunnah and hadith, don’t know about you.
    Now coming to your Israel army rant, funeral prayers, Israel kay agent, Britain kay agent etc etc lol. is this all you got?, Each and every allegation of yours is fully and completely rebutted and taken care of on youtube channels of ahmaddiya muslim community, Everyone can check it for themselves.
    In short, about Ahmadis in Israels army! your sources are so weak that the Opinion page of Pakistan Daily on which it was published doesn’t even exists anymore.

    And just for the record, the only General to have been killed in action fighting for Pakistan in 1971 war was an Ahmadi, Major General Iftikhar Khan Janjua Shaheed, the most senior Pakistani officer to have been killed in action ever to this date.Recommend

  • Divyo singh

    i live in Gujarat .that was inter communal violence in which 254 hindus and 790 muslims died..But now, if you get chance come visit us…see how rich and poweful they are like other Gujju…and i bet you..No other muslim community are rich and powerful then Gujarati muslims in south asia..Recommend

  • Divyo singh

    And may i ask you how many muslims have been slaughtered in “Islamic republic of pakistan” 80000?? or moreRecommend

  • Khalid Shaikh

    Mr D. Your Janaza rhetoric about Why ahmadi muslims dont pray janaza prayers of non-ahmadis is completely false. am not gonna go into detail, you can check it out on youtube. if mods will let me post the youtube link please.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VyjvChpNVw

    And about asylum applications. Migration for the purpose of profession of your faith, practicing your faith openly and freely and in safety, is something which is recommended by God Almighty and Prophet Muhammad pbuh. No wonder the persecuted Muslims of mecca migrated to Ethiopia and what a coincidence, ethiopia was and still is a christian majority country. and later on Prophet Muhammad pbuh also migrated to Medinah when it was no longer safe in mecca.
    Another similarity between the early muslims and ahmadis.
    So please, stop shooting yourself in the foot again and again.Recommend

  • Khalid Shaikh

    Sorry Blabber, cant get even with you guys, coz we are always a step ahead. So don’t be bitter and and keep following.Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    which reality is this? bring forth any proof that you may have. What a silly statement to make without proof.Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    yes very appreciable.The devil will be proud that his mullahs are brainwashing the next generation. Good comment history btw you only come to comment against Ahmadis. Pretty suspicious tbh.Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    . Bhutto was not even born when Ahmadiyyat was first started. you can use wikipedia to find that out lol. shows what great knowledge you have.Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    the christians waited 300 years before God they were free from persecution. Humans cannot dictate when persecution will end. There are others ways in which God helps us. We are the fasted growing muslim community in the world. The only “new muslims” created in the entire world are through birth. The number of converts is so small it is not even worth mentioning. Our community is the only community which creates real converts each year. This is how God is helping us. more and more people are coming to understand the truth and they are accepting Ahmadiyyat.
    Btw if you don’t think I am right why don’t you go to the local mullah and ask him how many new people joined his sect last year.Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    Mirza Nasir ( if I am not wrong) was member parliament
    You are wrong.
    was given ample opportunities to prove otherwise.

    He did prove otherwise and that is why the session when we were declared non muslim was not recorded. Or else there would have been proof of that. Had the mullahs proved anything they would have waved it around in the whole country.
    Show me one single speech/writing/anything where it is mentioned that The Holy Prophet is not Khatam an Nabiyeen. Simple as that. let us see if you can come up with single statement.
    Btw Maulana Qasim Nanootwi did say that even if a new prophet comes there will be no effect on the Khatamiyat. Qasim Nanootwi is the leader of Barailwi sect btw.Recommend

  • Miyagi Jr.

    How does one becomes a true Muslim according to you? Because according to Prophet Muhammad pbuh, to become a Muslim first and foremost is the Shahada then Salat, Zakat, Saom and Hajj are the 5 pillars, and the 6 articles of faith are, Belief in Allah, Belief in His Angels, Belief in His Books, Belief in His Messengers, Belief in the Last Day and Belief in Divine Destiny. I know you know this too, but stubbornly you want to stick to the definition which is given by the constitution of Pakistan and not Prophet Muhammad pbuh.
    Now lets have a look at how you become a Muslim in Pakistan according to its constitution. “A ‘Muslim’ means a person who believes in the unity and oneness of Allah, in the absolute and unqualified finality of the Prophethood of the Islamic prophet, Muhammad, and does not believe in, or recognize as a prophet or religious reformer, any person who claimed or claims to be a prophet, in any sense of the word or of any description whatsoever, after Muhammad.”

    If this is your declaration to be a Muslim, then the Mullahs have indeed added a new article of faith, which (God forbid) Prophet Muhammad pbuh forgot to mention., which even (God forbid) God forgot to mention to prophet Muhammad pbuh.
    So its your choice. The Ahmadi Muslims choose to be certified by Prophet Muhammad pbuh, whereas you choose to be certified by the constitution of Pakistan.
    Goodluck.Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    I have studied Islam for almost 10 years. And on top of that got a dgree in English literature, therefore your comment irks me more than it would anyone else. You talk about amending sharia, do you know that there are some sects in Islam who say that intercourse with a woman is allowed during prayer? There are some who say that drawing the face of Prophet is allowed? There are some who make animated movies about the him? There are sects who say that drinking is all ok if you don’t get stoned.?
    If you have even an iota of self respect than you will tell me what your sect is in the reply to this comment and I will link you the books of your holy men and then we shall see if their sayings are according to Islam or not. And mind you, don’t try to weasel your way out by saying that you “don’t belong to any sect”. Just ask your local Imam if you do not know.I will be waiting for the reply.
    And yes tribunes openness is confined to Ahmadies (My comments always go through with minimal grammatical correction). The reason is that we don’t post abuse and vulgarity which many others post so of course our comments go through.Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    interfaith dialogue? I am arrested the minute I say Assalam o Alaikum in a meeting with other Islamic sects. The only dialogue I get to do is with the SP in the lockup. Although recently the Mullahs have gone over the limit, they won’t even let us say Salam, they have the police ready and say ok arrest them they were “saying” Salam.Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    Why don’t you say that you are Usama Singh Masih? Come on say it proudly, because you have the same right to dictate my life as I have to dictate yours. I feel offended when I see your name like this, so from today onwards you are Usama Masih.Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    yes the same courts which cannot even hang the murderer Qadri. Such fine courts, I am amazed that no one thought of this earlier.Recommend

  • Parvez

    Ha, ha, liked that…. but your suggestion is classic ‘ kite flying ‘.Recommend

  • http://kashifmd.com/ Kashif Chaudhry

    Thank you 1031. You don’t have to beg me. I will remain loyal to the country my forefathers helped found, and I will keep striving to return it into Jinnah’s lap.Recommend

  • http://kashifmd.com/ Kashif Chaudhry

    1) Ahmadi Muslims are Muslims by the definitions of Quran and Sunnah: http://www.examiner.com/article/defining-a-muslim-is-the-pakistani-constitutions-s-definition-islamic

    2) Even if you think they are not, you have no right whatsoever to snatch away their right to self-identity. For if not, you are agreeing with whatever the Meccan Mullahs did to the early Muslims.

    3) Jinnah: `What right have I to declare a person non-Muslim, when he claims to be a Muslim’. & “Ahmadis are Muslims, if they say they are Muslims and no one, not even the sovereign legislature, has the right to say otherwise.” – Muhammad Ali Jinnah https://www.facebook.com/DrPervezHoodbhoy/posts/421754764603382

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  • http://kashifmd.com/ Kashif Chaudhry

    Mullah is a term now synonymous with a bigot, a narrow-minded idiot. There were always Mullahs in every society who were intolerant and wanted their authority established with force.Recommend

  • Miyagi Jr.

    What a ridiculous argument, first for comparing American justice system with Pakistan’s. second for comparing racism to religion.
    But just to ease your stomach ache, Just type Justice Munir commission report in Google. And see where Ahmadis stood and where the Ahrar and the rest of the mullah clergy stood in 1954 anti-ahmadiyya riots. It will become crystal clear to you who was right and who was wrong.
    But you will never read it, i know that too.
    Its the inner prejudice and hatred towards Ahmadis in you and alike which stops you from investigating the matter unbiased.
    Otherwise, if the Sun is up, and you keep asking us to prove it is up, while keeping you own eyes shut claiming its not, wont help the matter any bit.Recommend