Will Islam be judged if Aasia Bibi is executed?

Published: November 28, 2014

We must think about the fairness of Aasia’s trial and unite to condemn it. PHOTO: REUTERS

Aasia Bibi, mother of five, sits in prison hoping one last appeal will save her from death row. If she is executed, as with the lynching of Shahzad and Shama Masih and the assassination of Salman Taseer, Islam will be judged.

In such cases involving religion, to believe that ‘all of’ or ‘none of’ Islam supports blasphemy laws or the ideology of the Taliban, Daesh, Boko Haram, etcetera, suggests intellectual laziness at best and bigotry at worst. But it’s reasonable to examine some of Islam. The questions become those of quantification – how many Muslims subscribe to blasphemy laws, honour killings, suicide bombings, and other cases of judicial or extrajudicial violence? The answer wherein determines how to fairly judge Islam.

First, we need to define a Muslim. Conventionally, Muslims are those who profess the Shahada (Kalma). In Kenya, on November 22, al Shabab killed 28 people because these people could not recite the Shahada. Therefore, if we agree on the above definition, members of al Shabab and all other extremists are Muslim. Yet, most Muslims repudiate their ideology. Nevertheless, ideologies are judged by their adherents’ actions. To a degree, communism is judged by Chairman Mao and Pol Pot, unfettered capitalism by slavery, Christianity by the inquisition and persecutions of homosexuals. But the dialectic between capitalism and socialism has evolved into vibrant democracy where socialism and capitalism mix; see Europe, East Asia, and North America.

Christianity? According to the Southern Law Poverty Center, the Christian fundamentalists in the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) numbered four million in 1925 but now have splintered into factions totalling, at the most, 8,000. To quantify, in the US, almost no Christians subscribe to KKK ideology, not to mention killing homosexuals or apostates. But Islam? The oft cited PEW Research study shows that a “significant minority” of Muslims support apostasy and blasphemy laws and, thus, support Aasia’s execution. But even one human thinking Aasia should die is one too many.

The ideology of Muslims living in the West or Turkey contrasts with Muslims in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt. Generally, Muslims that live in democratic societies are more open to secularism and coexistence, notwithstanding exceptions in Britain like Anjem Chaudary. But even in Pakistan, there’s a disagreement between extremists and humanists. So, how do we judge Islam in this context of diversity? Herein is the future battle, as argued recently by Reza Aslan and Sam Harris, two men who unequivocally stand for the same things; both are against extremism but they quantify differently, as pointed out by Heina Dadabhoy at Free Thoughts Blog, absolutes don’t offer answers.

Aasia has served four years in prison, already victimised, as are her children and husband. Killing her would be a travesty. The world is watching, as they did when the Lahore cleric Qari Saleem handed out ‘sweets’ to celebrate the verdict sentencing her to death. To revel in this sickens most non-Muslims and Muslims alike.

Muslims should want humanity to think of them as peaceful and tolerant. We must think about the fairness of Aasia’s trial and unite to condemn it. For those who would execute Aasia will be judged, inside Pakistan and out. The only question is, how much of Islam will be judged?

Caleb Powell

Caleb Powell

The writer is a Polish/Persian American and worked overseas for eight years, in East Asia, the Middle East, and South America. He now lives in the Pacific Northwest with his family. He Tweets @sonofmizrahi (twitter.com/sonofmizrahi?lang=en)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • arun

    Tell whatever they will not listenRecommend

  • Saad R.

    Completely agree. She should be pardoned and then sent abroad for her own safety. I feel that the blasphemy law, if it has to exist should only apply to Muslims. How can you punish someone for derogatory remarks about Islam when they don’t believe in the same message. Similarly, have we punished anyone for ridiculing Krishna or Jesus in Pakistan? If this rule has to exist (which it shouldn’t) then make it only applicable to Muslims.Recommend

  • Simple Man

    It is only logical that Islam is judged in the matter of Asia Bibi. The blasphemy laws are Islamically inspired. Hundred of millions of Muslims do not believe for no reason that blasphemy must be punished. I have heard Muslims saying all sorts of justification. That blasphemy is akin to high treason against the state (followed by saying that Western nations have death penalty for treason), blasphemy is terrorism/creating mischief in society.Recommend

  • mimi

    blasphemy laws are in dire need of reform! until we stop tip toeing around this issue you will keep hearing about such cases. The truth is that everyone is too scared of these mullahs, even though they don’t represent the majority! Simply put, nobody wants to open the pandora’s box…Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    She will not be executed, as there is a moratorium on executions. This I said just for informing you.However, she should just be acquitted. I don’t know why there is such a HUGE ego problem with the ruling hierarchy these days, they think that everything is their right.
    I have been waiting for someone to write something like this for some time. This is exactly what is needed, to show the muslims on one hand that they are maligning Islam and non muslims on the other that not all muslims are extremists.Recommend

  • Eddied

    A strong discussion of the outdated concept of blasphemy…this useless law protects no one but it harms many people…it is time to do away with this law…Recommend

  • Raj – USA

    Caleb Powell (the author) says:

    “In such cases involving religion, to believe that ‘all of’ or ‘none of’ Islam supports blasphemy laws or the ideology of the Taliban, Daesh, Boko Haram, etcetera, suggests intellectual laziness at best and bigotry at worst. But it’s reasonable to examine some of Islam. The questions become those of quantification – how many Muslims subscribe to blasphemy laws, honour killings, suicide bombings, and other cases of judicial or extrajudicial violence? The answer wherein determines how to fairly judge Islam.”

    I do not think that Islam needs to be judged. Islam, like any other religion, has good and bad teachings. The problem is most muslims. Even the good muslims remain silent and do not condemn or do anything to stop the practices of conversions by rape and marriage of girls, even minor girls, in muslim countries. The courts in Pakistan refused to send back Rinkle to her family when she said so in the court right before the judge. Several thousands of muslims had also come to the courts , firing shots from their guns. The judge handed her back to the person who kidnaped her. Since then she not a word is heard from her or about her. All girls who have been converted to Islam in Pakistan just vanish within a few months and the entire muslim society of Pakistan and Pakistani muslims who have migrated to the Western democracies remain silent. Just see what is happening right now in Pakistan. A 12 year hindu girl (Anjali) who was kidnaped, converted and married off to a muslim was brought to the court and the court refuses to hand her back to her parents who were present at the court and have sent her to an shelter home where she is coerced in confinement to accept her forced marriage and forced conversion. They courts have kept her in confinement for nearly 40 days now and barred her parents from meeting her or talking to her. It is the courts in Pakistan that is doing this though there are laws in the province that makes it a punishable crime, not only for the person who marries a minor but also for all those who assist in the marriage, like his parents and family members and also the mulla who sanctifies the marriage. That the girls is just 12 years old has been established from her school records. Yet no one has been charged and the courts are trying all ways to hand her back to her kidnapers. Would any muslim accept if their own kidnaped daughter was recovered and brought to the court and the court hands her back to her kidnapers? Yet, no muslim, even those residing in Western democracies will utter a word. I have not seen one comment on this lines. In fact there has been one comment that said that just because this is a hindu girl who is a victim, I am speaking on it. This the the level of perversion that is prevailing. Why courts of Pakistan are doing this and why muslims everywhere are silent on this? It is because handing this 12 year old kidnaped girl back to her parents and punishing the persons responsible for the marriage of this minor girl would invalidate her marriage and also her conversion. No muslim wants to see this happen as it is apostasy. Hundreds of thousands of hindu and christian girls have been kidnaped from their homes and taken to the family homes of muslims where they were raped, converted and married off to muslim men. All these girls have gone missing and never heard of or head from again as they have all been pushed to prostitution. Every muslim in Pakistan knows this. I have asked in these forums time and again, if even one muslim will ask their government to probe on what actually happened to these girls later. Not one muslim of Pakistan and from Pakistan said that they want to see their government find out these facts. That is 100% of muslims of Pakistan and from Pakistan. Is this something different from what Boko Haram is doing now? In Nigeria, because it has 50% non-muslim population, the government tries to recover the girls and nor did Boko Haram take the kidnaped girls to their family homes as it happens in Pakistan. Even Nobel Peace Price winner Malala could only pleaded for the recovery of the girls in Nigeria and had to remain silent on the hindu and christian girls in Pakistan because she knows that Pakistan has fallen much below and there is no chance of any improvement or recovery there. Pakistan is the cradle and citadel of Boko Haram. We saw several millions come out on the streets when the video “Innocence of Muslims” was aired on youtube. Youtube remains blocked in Pakistan since then and no one has the courage to unblock it. When conversions become perversions and a huge section its population practices it, every home teaches it to their children that it is their duty to convert all non-muslims, and all others support it passively with their silence, progression to the next stage cannot be avoided. To me, the only proper way for muslims, or for that matter followers of any religion to convert others to their religion is by themselves becoming an example that would inspire and motivate others to convert. Preaching virtues of their religion without preaching hate for other religion is acceptable. The next stage of this perversion is to eliminate others who you cannot convert and we see this in the sectarian killings in muslims. It is the only reason for shia killings in Pakistan. Pakistan is different from other muslim countries. It is the only country formed on the basis of Islam and its founder was a Shia and it is next to the shia country Iran. Shias should have enjoyed the highest respects and regards in Pakistan but are getting killed by the hundreds every month and that too very brutally by beheadings, the same way Daesh is doing. Pakistan is also the only country in the world where the majority of its population who were also muslims chose to separate from the minority to form a separate country. India has as much muslim population and also as much percentage of shias in its muslim population as in Pakistan but you don’t see slaughter of shias in India. You don’t see it even in Bangladesh which was a part of Pakistan. You don’t see even in Afghanistan. Now we see Daesh that targets sunnis and shias alike and they not only practice sex slavery as in Pakistan but also want all girls and woman undergo FGM.

    The author in his concluding remark says:

    “Muslims should want humanity to think of them as peaceful and tolerant. We must think about the fairness of Aasia’s trial and unite to condemn it. For those who would execute Aasia will be judged, inside Pakistan and out. The only question is, how much of Islam will be judged?”

    It is a very clear statement and I have been saying so in my comments.
    It is not just the issue of blasphemy and nor can it be redressed without addressing other prevailing perversions. Boko Haram and Daesh, both say “Convert or get killed”. Muslims of Pakistan have been doing it for decades, much before Boko Haram or Daesh came to be known. They have been converting non-muslim girls (only girls) to Islam and now Boko Haram and Daesh are converting muslims to their version of Islam.Recommend

  • ambjad

    Not one more taxpayer’s dime sent to these savages in Pakistan!Recommend

  • Striver

    NO. The trial was not fair. Just as Dr Afia Siddiqui’s (a Pakistani wrongly accused of attacking american soldiers (I am not equating Asia Bibi’s trial with that of Dr. Afia)) trial was not fair.
    No blasphemy trial will ever be fair if the courts get constant death threats from those Muslim groups who seem to think they know Islam better than any other Muslim. Islam is judged by their actions; actions of the vociferous, emotional and off-course minority. The majority of Muslims do not ascribe to their views but they too will by judged by the actions of this minority that has gone astray.
    As for the Christians in Pakistan, from cleaning the streets to educating our elite these Pakistanis have contributed far more to Pakistan than we care to admit.

    Globally, from ISIS to al-Shabab to TTP all have an ideology that Muslims do not recognize. Yet it is their ideology that draws most attention.

    Solution (most humbly):
    - the majority needs to come forth but it is held hostage by these groups and through these groups by the players of the new great-game in the region. The majority need to get unite therefore, to oust these players from the region.
    HOW? by electing governments that represent us.
    - Further, there needs to be a constructive and vigorous campaign to re-learn Islam for what it is. Islam is currently shaped by the violence around it and Muslim response to that violence. The sooner these players leave the sooner we will be able to shape a society representative of all.Recommend

  • SZ

    She won’t be executed at first place. No blasphemy excused has ever been executed in Pakistan despite of so many nonsensical sentences and adding to this, all kinds of capital punishment has been put on hold by the Govt for the last few yearsRecommend

  • Prashant

    ” If she is executed, as with the lynching of Shahzad and Shama Masih and the assassination of Salman Taseer, Islam will be judged.”

    Taseer, Shahzad and Shama have gone to the same place, it is for Pakistanis to decide whether they call this place a hell or a heaven, if Aasia dies, she will be joining them and if she doesn’t, it would be a living hell.Recommend

  • Rahul

    No Islam will not be judged if Aasia Bibi is hanged. Pakistan, it’s ideology, it’s government and people will however be judged!Recommend

  • anon
  • Himanshu

    A very substantial blog. Recommend

  • Kolsat

    It is amazing that Muslims who are ever ready to condemn in these columns Indian Prime Minister Modi for what happened under his rule in Gujarat in 2002 are silent by their absence at the atrocities perpetrated daily by Muslims against Muslims. Shows their hypocrisy.Recommend

  • American

    Aasia Bibi’s execution will make no difference…so many such innocent people have been killed, and so many more to come…Recommend

  • raw is war

    of course, no. Islam is the sacred cow, Nobody is supposed to blame it. Only people who understand Islam “wrongly” are responsible for this.Recommend

  • Riya

    Like it or not. Believe it or not. A religion is as much judged by its adherents as a person is judged by the beliefs that she or he professes. There is no escaping from this hard, and perhaps, harsh reality.Recommend

  • http://kashifmd.com/ Kashif Chaudhry

    You define a Muslim, but not Islam. Will Muslims be judged. Yes – those who support blasphemy laws. Not all 1.8 billion of them.

    Will Islam be judged? Depends on whether you define Islam by the Koran or by the action of Pakistani mullahs. There is no punishment for blasphemy in Islamic Scripture, let alone by death. So by the academic definition of the faith, it cannot be judged by the actions of those who do not follow its teachings on the issue.

    In any case, the important thing is to hope and fight for Aasia’s freedom. Thanks for writing.Recommend

  • sharabi

    You should write a blog for Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, Ahamadis & title should be ” Where to run to save ourselves”
    A country based upon religion, what else did you expectRecommend

  • Abdul Samad

    why you want to judge Islam? Islam is a religion and a complete way to living giving by God, and you want to judge God by judging Islam, are you out of your MIND, while you know nothing about it, where Islamic Laws are not followed in Pakistan completely. I request to tribune administration to please make sure of news that going to be published are with in the limits.Recommend

  • wb

    So, can Islam be judged based on the Quran?Recommend

  • wb

    “Globally, from ISIS to al-Shabab to TTP all have an ideology that Muslims do not recognize.”

    Who are you to say that?

    Do you have a seal of approval from god that your way of Islam is better than TTP or Daish version of Islam.

    Do you understand what I’m saying.

    In fact IS, TTP claim that they’re true muslims. Who are you to deny otherwise. And they have perfect quotes from Quran and Hadees for every action they do.

    Do you see the irony in my comment or just the words?Recommend

  • wb

    Why reform? Why not abrogate it?

    There is no concept of blasphemy in Quran. And I haven’t come across the concept of blasphemy in Hadees either.Recommend

  • wb

    Very good point.Recommend

  • wb

    Whenever you refer to Gujrat riots, please don’t forget to mention the fact that the Gujrat riots were started by Muslims and not Hindus, by burning a train full of innocent Hindus.

    Refer to Godhra train burning.Recommend

  • James
  • نائلہ

    Yes, ofcourse!Recommend

  • p r sharma

    it is your perception that Islam is a religion and a complete way to living giving by God, and you want to judge God by judging Islam,…. Why do you want/ insist that every one subscribe to your view. . A religion is judged by the actions/ inaction of its followers and by the actions of its followers Islam is perceived as a dangerous religion and that is why this Islamophobia.Recommend

  • Milind A

    And who decides which Muslim sect has a monopoly on interpretation. Else its going to be the same – one sect misusing blasphemy law against another, but within the confines of Islam…
    As a kafir, I’m fine as long as the heat doesn’t reach me… But that’s not the correct or long-term approach. Best would be to eliminate the law – a creation by the British, that has no religious sanction.Recommend

  • Dr Robert K

    Very logical. Very well argued. Many thanks.Recommend

  • Dr Robert K

    Yes, they have never been executed. They are only allowed to be lynched!Recommend

  • Riya

    Look at it this way. Every time a person of a religion gets killed in a different — even better if it is hostile — country, then the clamor raised is that that particular religion is in peril. So fragile is the religion. That is one absolute position! Contrarily, if the so called believer commits the worst atrocities — in the name of the professed religion — then it has nothing to do with the religion. Another absolutist view point. Never mind that the two are contradictory, but coexist. It allows to you to hate everyone not in agreement with you. Alas, there is no exception to it.Recommend

  • Striver

    I don’t have an approval from God because it is all in the Qur’an. Read it.
    Your comments show:
    - incongruence in relation to Islam.i.e. you don’t know what you are talking about. Perhaps a little lesson in Islam will do you good.
    - immaturity of mind. The subject you are trying to comment on is way beyond your mental capacity.

    I have every right because I know what Islam is. You clearly don’t.Recommend

  • Striver

    @ p r sharma.
    If you understood Islam you would realise how silly your comments are. You would be kicking yourself for this stupidity.
    That Islam is a religion and a complete way of life is not a perception. It is fact. Now a days some Hindus are saying the same thing about Hinduism. They are borrowing from teachings of Islam.
    Those who are interested in learning about Islam are embracing it for its teachings. Fact remains Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. It is growing fastest in the west.Recommend

  • Striver

    What a concoction you have brewed. Should we judge Hinduism by the acts of those who are forcibly converting Muslim girls to Hinduism. Should be judge Hinduism on the acts of those Hindus who burn down Christian churches. Don’t forget some of the priests and nuns were burnt alive. Should we judge Hinduism by the heinous acts of those who murdered more than 2000 women and children (some unborn) in Gujarat?

    My friend, Islamic land is in turmoil. The chaos is caused. Turbulence and confusion in the society is forced. Do your research on Boko Haram and Daesh. There is another horizon beyond what you see. If you want sources let me know in reply to this comment. If ET allows it I will send you some links.

    Do not judge a society by reading its newspapers. Recommend

  • Striver

    @wb
    You would need to read the Quran and Hadees first.Recommend

  • Striver

    So all Hindus want to convert Muslims girls in India and all Hindus are want to burn Christian churches in India?
    But you’re right. That is reality.Recommend

  • Ram Sindh

    In which world India and Pakistan are living….. Your are not able to understand that Politic used the religion sentiment to capture their voting….. and even if you study the history u will realized that is not Muslim that creates the terrorist but it Politics….Recommend

  • Raj – USA

    There is one very sure way to save Asia Bibi, free her from solitary confinement in prison and not only pardon her but be praised by all muslims.

    What she has to do is:

    Should say three times “La ilaha illallah Muhammadur Rasulullah”

    If she can make her three daughters also do the same, it is even better. The best would be that after all these, her daughters are also married off to a muslim man and the older the man the better it is.

    If her husband wants to still remain married to her, he should also say three times: La ilaha illallah Muhammadur Rasulullah.

    If Asia Bibi does these, she will not only be honored by all muslims in Pakistan and may be, Pakistan may declare a public holiday to celebrate and the millions attending the daily jalsas and dharanas for 107 days now will all be thrilled.

    If I am proved wrong, I would change my name from Raj to Rahim or Raza.Recommend

  • Sayed

    you should always judge a religon by its sources. The Quran is the most authentic source to judge this religon. I wont judge Hinduism by what Hindu’s do, i will judge it through the Upinishads and the Vedas….PeaceRecommend

  • Gul Beg Shinwari.

    By the same token why are you claiming to be a hindu?
    Just as you are not a true hindu. The Brahmins and the Bunyas
    do not consider your class/caste as true hindus.[you did claim to
    be a Dalit in one of your previous vicious comment in another blog]Recommend

  • Mansoor Tirmizi

    This is very wrong to kill someone because of blasphemy even in Islam. But is this allowed to keep killing Muslims in Palestine, Kashmir, and Arab world continuously since last 70 years? Does the religion of Israel, USA and India allow that? Have Non-Muslims ever think that how would Muslims react? This blasphemy is the natural outcome of what Israel, USA and India are doing to the innocent Muslims. So I would blame Israel, USA and India for this blasphemy killings. This kind of small killings can be completely eliminated easily when state-terrorism is eliminated with full force. USA, Israel and India, please let the world live peacefully.Recommend

  • Kolsat

    I believe the blasphemy law was enacted to protect Islam. Therefore it should be repealed forthwith to stop its use by unscrupulous people.Recommend

  • Prashant

    “Should we judge Hinduism by the acts of those who are forcibly converting Muslim girls to Hinduism.”

    May I have a link for this please?

    “Should be judge Hinduism on the acts of those Hindus who burn down Christian churches. Don’t forget some of the priests and nuns were burnt alive. Should we judge Hinduism by the heinous acts of those who murdered more than 2000 women and children (some unborn) in Gujarat?”

    Hindus surely have done the above but is it a pattern where in the Christians and Muslims have been hounded by Hindus across India, you cannot compare the Hindu violence against Christians in Kandhamal and against Muslims in Gujarat which happened a decade ago to what the Christians and Ahmediyas are facing in your country.

    “Do your research on Boko Haram and Daesh.”

    Please do not tell me they are also on western payrolls.

    “Do not judge a society by reading its newspapers.”

    A layman would not have time to research on every topic he reads in newspapers but he would definitely have an opinion of the people he reads in the newspapers.Recommend

  • Prashant

    You do not get the point, do you think a bunch of liberals sat together to conceive and introduce this law, this law is serving the purpose it was introduced for which is discrimination against the minorities.Recommend

  • Prashant

    “So all Hindus want to convert Muslims girls in India and all Hindus are want to burn Christian churches in India? ”

    Hindus came in limelight for bringing the Mosque down at Ayodhya, for killing Muslims in Gujarat, for killing Christians in Kandhamal over a period of time.

    How often the Muslims come into limelight for wrong reasons, most of which is of course a conspiracy against Muslims.Recommend

  • Raj – USA

    The very first line in my comment says:

    “I do not think Islam needs to be judged”.

    Also I have asked one question and have been asking this question repeatedly. My question is:

    “I have asked in these forums time and again, if even one muslim will ask their government to probe on what actually happened to these girls later. Not one muslim of Pakistan and from Pakistan said that they want to see their government find out these facts. That is 100% of muslims of Pakistan and from Pakistan.”

    What is your specific reply to this. All details of these girls are readily available with Government’s own NADRA records, such as when and at what age they were married to the muslim how long they remained to the muslim, are they still in the same muslim family home where they were taken to, where are they now and what are they doing now? If conversions are real and of free will, why hide the girls and not allow them to talk to their family and old friends. Alter all allowing the girls to speak high of their conversion would encourage others to convert. Won’t it not? I am sure you will not answer this question, nor will any muslim from Pakistan answer on your behalf as it will be suicidal for you and those who try to answer.

    In this comment, I have asked would any muslim of Pakistan ( may I add, for that matter any human being) allow his/her kidnaped daughter who was recovered and brought to the court be sent to a shelter where she would be coerced and threatened to accept her conversion and marriage so that she could be handed back to her kidnapers? When there are laws in Sindh province that makes it a punishable crime not only for the person who marries a minor girl but also for his family and all others who are accomplice and facilitators, why has not anyone been charged or arrested? Instead the girl is being punished, she and her family threatened and coerced. What sort of human beings are Pakistani muslims, to be specific, Pakistani sunni muslims as I have not read of even one such incidence involving shias. It does not happen even in Bangladesh or Afghanistan. I am sure you will not answer this question also, nor will any muslim from Pakistan answer on your behalf as it will be suicidal for you and those who try to answer.

    However, please be aware of what this author says towards the end of his bolg. He says:

    “For those who would execute Aasia will be judged, inside Pakistan and out. The only question is, how much of Islam will be judged?”

    Yes, there was one incidence of burning one catholic priest from Australia who came to convert hindus. It was the only incidence ever in the history of India. So was the Gujrat riots. Whereas in Pakistan 50,000 to 80,000 muslims have been killed by muslims themselves in the last 10 years. These are not my claims but Pakistan’s government and many of its leaders has said so many, many times. 2000 shias are killed every year in Pakistan. All Saints Church bombing killed 100 christians. In Joseph Colony 200 christian homes were burnt down by muslims. In all such cases the government promised to compensate but never did so. The checks they gave to the victims bounced. I have condemned the incidence in India and most Indians and hindus have also condemned it. The culprits were caught by law enforcement agencies, they were tried in courts and awarded severe punishment. I have also said in my comments that I do not have issues with conversions to christianity because in such cases the entire family converts to christianity at the same time and christians also take care of those who convert to christianity. It is not like conversions of hindu and christian girls in Pakistan where the girls are kidnapped from their homes, brought to the family homes of muslims where they are raped and then converted forcibly and also married to muslims just to cover up. Later, without exception, every such girl has been sold off to other to be used as as sex slaves.

    This is what Nijam Sethi also says. He also says that there are laws in Pakistan but no one enforces but it is praised in Pakistan:

    http://vidooly.com/video/yMximehG3Pw

    Show me one incidence of hindus forcing muslims girls, girls only and only one girl from family after kidnaping her and taking her to a hindu family home. Show me there is a pattern and continued instances of such occurrences in India and that the courts or law enforcement or society has not acted to punish.
    Don’t be vague and evasive. Show me authentic details.

    I repeat, Pakistani sunni muslims have been doing for many decades continually what Boko Haram re doing today, i.e. convert or get killed. Convert hindu girls and kill shias who cannot be converted. Every institution of Pakistan and almost all of its population support it because in not even one such case has anyone been punished. Parents and family members allow their sons and male members of the family to bring to their home young, kidnaped hindu girls and these girls are raped right within their family homes with their assistance and encouragement.

    Read this other blog also where Dr, Farzana Bari says that every day 5,000 hindus are fleeing Pakistan. http://tribune.com.pk/story/796478/in-the-name-of-religion-3/Recommend

  • Raj – USA

    You say:

    “Fact remains Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. It is growing fastest in the west.”

    In Pakistan it is only non-muslim girls who convert, rather are kidnaped, raped and forced to convert and forcibly married to a muslim. Otherwise, the girls will by stoned to death for “sex outside marriage”. I have not read of even one male non-muslim who has converted, other than the live TV conversion of the poor boy Sunil by Maya Khan. You know what he said on TV as to why he is converting and about his knowledge of Islam that motivated him to convert. He said that he had been keeping Roza (Ramzan Fasting) for two years and that is why he is converting. A poor boy who cannot have daily meals, fasting for one month ……. and this is his sole motivation. He did not say anything good of Islam, not one word as to what else motivated him to convert. BTW, where is he now? Still struggling to earn a living and not even accepted by the muslims who converted him.

    The growth of muslim population is mostly because of high rate of population growth in all muslim countries. Multiple wives, easy divorce without incurring a financial burden and getting off by paying a paltry Meher are the reasons. Life has no value for these types and this is the reason we find suicide bombers in muslims only. Don’t bring Sri Lanka as it is very old and the numbers there were much low, almost negligible, in comparison. In Pakistan we have read many news of men having 87 children, 5 wives. Even a 80 year old IDP was looking for his fifth wife.

    In the West the growth in muslim population is mainly due to high rate of population growth in muslim families as compared to the rest and also due to muslims fleeing muslim countries and seeking asylum in the West. Conversions to Islam in the West are negligible. Show me reliable data if you have any to prove me wrong.

    Conversions in the West target unemployed and uneducated males, many of whom are criminals and convicts. Some could be famous rock stars or pop music artists. Muslims cannot target non-muslim girls in the West the way they do in Pakistan because the culprits cannot escape the law here. How many converts to Islam of educated and well employed non-muslims can you cite as an example? Much before 9/11 FBI reports published in newspapers here said that mullas visit prisons regularly and convert convicts. Those convicts think that they gain some importance and recognition by converting. In USA, recent converts are viewed with suspicion and FBI has data backing it. There had been many reports. You will not find conversions taking place in Mosques on a large scale anywhere in USA or West. Most conversions to Islam happens in poor neighborhoods and prisons and these are all males in their 20′s or 30′s. Even in this case it is only one person from a family who converts and very seldom that an entire family converts.Recommend

  • Raj – USA

    p r sharma says:

    “A religion is judged by the actions/ inaction of its followers and by the actions of its followers………”

    He is correct. World community judges not only on the followers of the religion but also from their countries of origin.

    Read this ET news:

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/799928/new-study-muslims-face-worst-discrimination-in-british-job-market/

    Click on the link to the UK newspaper “The Independent” given in the article. Here it is:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-muslims-face-worst-job-discrimination-of-any-minority-group-9893211.html

    The Independent says that muslims from different countries are seen and perceived differently. Muslims from Pakistan are seen as the most disloyal and threat. Muslims from Bangladesh are seen more favorably and muslims from india are seen the best and equal to white christians.

    However much you may bring in India, Gujarat, etc., it will only make it worse for muslims from Pakistan in their adopted countries. In fact blaming others is a clear confirmation of the blames heaped on you. You are only saying that others are doing it to some degree so we are doing it much more and far worse. Being viewed as traitor is the worst, and far, far worse than anything else. Perceptions, once formed, are very difficult to be removed or erased and can be done only by actions for a prolonged period and not by being evasive, circumventing, and citing one-off incidences in other places to justify continued, prolonged and a lot more worse actions by your own self, I mean muslims of Pakistan. You bring in Afia Siddiqi also to support your argument !!!!!!

    I have two questions for you:
    (1) What are your views on the 12 year old hindu girl Anjali? Was sending her to the shelter home instead of handing her over to her parents a correct decision ethically and morally? (2) Do you want your courts to send her over to her parents.

    Be precise and to the point on both questions and not evasive.Recommend

  • Raj – USA

    You should see this also:

    http://www.onefreeworldinternational.org/portfolio/saving-neeha/

    Or google search “Saving Neha” to find out what was done to the 6 year old christian girl in Pakistan and how Canada helped her entire family to migrate to Canada.Recommend

  • Dharma

    “forcibly converting Muslim girls to Hinduism” sorry buddy Sanatan Dharma which you term as Hinduism, doesn’t take converts……n secondly we believe in one single supreme energy( concept of Adi Shakti n Shunya) while rest just being a part of it, so we dont need to get into the useless debate of “My god true god” stuff.
    So please check your facts before making allegations against us. We dont kill on the name of religion unlike you.Recommend

  • Chi

    Going by the same logic Muslims have killed millions on Santana Dharmis(Hindus) in the last 1000 years, does it give us freedom to kill muslims around the globe. Problem with you people are you have gone so ignorant, you are afraid to look into your own reflection.Recommend

  • wb

    it is all in Quran.

    You need to read Quran first in a language you understand.

    Excuse me, I know more about islam than most Muslims.Recommend

  • indian

    forcibly converting muslim girls into hinduism? what a nonsense. it is mullah’s who are talking away 12 year old children of hindus and marrying them off to 46 year old ? shame on your rhetoric.Recommend

  • siesmann

    Why can I tell looking at your name,that Girl Conversion is going to be part of the comment.Not that what you say is wrong or untrue.Recommend

  • siesmann

    whaT has modi to do with this article?Recommend

  • siesmann

    She sure will be killed even if acquitted, execution or not.Recommend

  • siesmann

    “not real Islam” is a common excuse by Pakistanis to avoid introspection.Wonder if Muslims don’t follow real Islam,who will for them.Recommend

  • siesmann

    Blasphemy law in Pakistan is a blasphemy in itself.It has produced much more blasphemy for Islam and its Prophet in the outside world.Even in Pakistan it has produced 100 times more blasphemy if one is to look at the figures.If the function of a law is deterrence,Blasphemy law is Anti-Law.Recommend

  • siesmann

    India inherited the same law,but India is a more mature society and knows when a law is to be used.In Pakistan ,it has made Pakistan the laughing-stock of the world.Recommend

  • siesmann

    Who will bell the cat?A few tried,and became a casualty.Recommend

  • siesmann

    so what has Pakistanis done to reign in Mullahs?For the outside world action of Muslims is Islam,whether you feel It can be judged or not.Recommend

  • siesmann

    How much more time Islam needs to be able to be practiced by Muslims.Mullahs and by proxy the Pakistanis consider it an Islamic law.Recommend

  • siesmann

    True,but the outside world won’t have time to read Quran to judge a blasphemy law practiced by a state that is over 95% Muslim?Recommend

  • siesmann

    Not due to conversion,but due to high birth rates.Also why don’t Muslims practice Islam?Where are the said Islamic teachings for them.?Recommend

  • siesmann

    Aafia Siddiqui, great-game players,violence around it-all conspiracy theories.Wont allow Muslims to re-learn Islam.Recommend

  • siesmann

    Rights bring some responsibilities along ,and will be more useful if you use it for improving the understanding of Islam by fellow-Muslims-Islam as understood by you.Recommend

  • siesmann

    will be killed,nonetheless.Blasphemy law is administered in the streets.Recommend

  • siesmann

    You mean it is sanctioned by Quran and Hadees.That is what the outside world says in the first place.Absolves them.Recommend

  • siesmann

    same old song!!May be it is the retribution of Allah on Muslims for not practicing “Real Islam”.Recommend

  • siesmann

    But what is the rationale behind Muslims being killed by fellow Muslims?Recommend

  • siesmann

    And all that will be equated with Islam.Recommend

  • siesmann

    If you don’t judge the society by its media,by its clergy,and by the actions of its members(however small a minority+silent majority),what should it be judged by.Recommend

  • Maximus Decimus Meridius

    Many muslims do follow the true Islam. I follow true Islam. If you find any person from among my sect (Ahmadiyyat) committing any extremist action, I am ready to personally come to any public spot you choose and apologize to you in public. you must understand that all muslims are not the sameRecommend

  • نائلہ

    word!!Recommend

  • siesmann

    I don’t have any doubts about what you say about Ahmadiyya community .And I certainly don’t believe that all Muslims are the same.Recommend

  • Jahil hamid

    Ditto. Will Durant rates the Muslim genocide of Hindus as the worst in history.Recommend

  • Mind your own business

    If the Molvis can forgive that Junaid jamshed
    they can forgive this case too & let her FREEEEEE

    why let him go if they cannot free her & burnt that couple
    ???
    why different judgmentRecommend

  • JayMankind

    Of course, it will be. It is not enough to say it is a select few who are indulging in violence.Recommend

  • Nida Afsheen

    True
    Even as a muslim I Truely believe this law is not right and should be eliminated
    Many innocents have already died due to this law and bloody Molvis
    In a way I am also minority in Pakistan ☺ not being a female but being Shia Muslim Recommend