Chaos, panic, disorder and Dr Tahirul Qadri

Published: June 17, 2014

Why is he ignoring his own people’s action in this tragedy that has gripped Lahore? Dr Qadri, your people are not in the right; you are not the victim here; your party is not the only one that has experienced losses. PHOTO: AFP/ FILE

Dr Tahirul Qadri plans to come back for his yearly visit on June 23, 2014. Now all of us are aware of the security given to our politicians – everyone is the president and treated like royalty with the area, surrounding their house, being cordoned off and protocol all around. Life as we know it, comes to a standstill for all those residing nearby. An utter nuisance.

Dr Qadri’s case is no different.

The only difference is – he isn’t even in the country yet.

Earlier today, upon receiving multiple complaints from people residing around the Dr Qadri’s mansion about the barriers being an inconvenience, the Lahore police set out to perform its duty and have the illegal barriers removed. As per court orders, it is illegal to block streets for any security reasons.

At this point, supporters of the absentee leader refused to comply with police instructions. Soon enough, this little tête-à-tête turned into a full-fledged bloody conflict with eight people pronounced dead and over 80 injured.

The fact that this incident took place is preposterous. Especially when the security situation in the country is so sensitive and the country is on high-alert due to the operation taking place in North Waziristan.  Not only did this fiasco challenge the strength of the police, it was in complete disregard of the other residents surrounding the area and the country’s rules. Had the PAT supporters let the police do their job, the situation would not have spiralled out of control resulting in the loss of lives.

Being a political party, under the regime of an elected government, whether they like it or not, the PAT has a responsibility towards the nation and the government. Acting out in such a manner demonstrated the height at which supporters of political groups are willing to go in order to achieve their objectives – legal or not.

Dr Qadri, being the leader, went on to tweet that,

According to Dr Qadri, the officials in power are,

“Busy collecting the privileges and forgetting that they need to worry about country’s security and sovereignty”.

As true or false that statement may be, the irony is unmistakable. Political leaders have a strong influence over their followers and the fact that supporters were allowed to challenge the writ of the land in the way that they did is and should be unpardonable. Instead of handling the situation, Dr Qadri provoked them further. This protest was not worth the lives of those eight people. Eight lives were lost and will only be used as pawns in an already weak argument.

In his press conference today, Dr Qadri said that he believes the government is taking revenge from him because he stood by the army while its media trial was taking place. He further added that he is against all the people who entered the boundaries of his house and no one was there to stop them.

According to him, there are dead bodies lying outside his house, which the media isn’t showing. He thinks that the media is portraying a biased picture by only showing the chaos. So, in other words, Dr Qadri is not only portraying himself as the victim but also accusing other institutions of working against his party.

He stated that it was the government and police causing the disruption and not his party supporters. But I strongly disagree.

No, Dr Qadri, your people are not in the right; you are not the victim here; your party is not the only one that has experienced losses. In fact, it is because of your supporters’ actions that even Karachi, which is miles away, is being affected by this grotesque misuse of power.

This incident was tragic, no doubt about that. People have died, and their loss should be mourned. But if we are playing the blame game, then Dr Qadri, the blood of those eight lives is on your hands.

Correction: This piece earlier mistakenly stated that Dr Qadri stood ‘against’ the army – the error is regretted and has now been rectified. Our apologies for an inconvenience caused.

Syeda Uzmaa Farhan

Uzmaa Farhan

She has a Associates degree in Administration of Justice from Cerritos College, California and currently an undergraduate student at California State University, Los Angeles. Her interests include reading and writing investigative stories.

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • AT

    All the footages have been shown on media channels, everything is clear. Don’t try to shelter this brutality of Punjab Govt. What kind of biased writer she is… What duty should they be allowed to do???straight firing on Dr TuQ’s house and MQI secretariat?? to break the vehicles generator and bulldoze everything outside?? SHAME on such people of Punjab Govt and Talibani Mindset..

    Have you forgotten the long march of Nawaz Sharif in 2008 towards Islamabad??? should they be treated likewise?Recommend

  • Dr. Nada

    i might agree with the author on a point of two.. but in whole the article is too onesided …like the infamous footage showing a man breaking up cars like any insane in world…in the presence of police nearby and even talking to him…. now even he has been identified one of police’s own a/c to media reports…..
    persons throwing stones are dealt with bullets….now this is so justified as the ppl didnt act according to what they r told to do….right??
    and juiciest part.. every single responsible person in govt/police force is condemning the act but no name is taken no one fired or punished!!
    again All is justified because ppl didnt listen to police? haina?Recommend

  • http://www.phoneworld.com.pk Kanwal Ayub

    So you say that whatever happened is just? is this the only way to cope with situations like this? killing?Recommend

  • PTI worker

    You have all the qualifications to work in PTV, not in express tribune.
    Rather you should be recruited by the PML (N)Recommend

  • Naila

    This Qadri dude is nothing but a pain.Recommend

  • Waseem Sarwar

    If you think the placed barriers were root cause of this tragedy then you are highly mistaken. I lived in that same neighborhood for 2 years and i don’t like Qadri anyway but these barriers were placed quite a long time ago and similarly, in same model town, barriers have been placed in CM Secretariat. PAT has never been involved in any militancy allegation unlike brother of LeJ rana Sanaullah tells us. How on earth were police ordered to fire straight at people. Surely shooting people including women at pin point range isn’t the way to handle such protests. Part of the responsibility lies on PAT and Qadri but surely CM of province got to take responsibility and blood of these people in on government’s hands.Recommend

  • Timsaal Bukhari

    What kind of idiot are you Uzmaa Farhan? Had you bothered to listen to the news properly, you would know that TuQ is an almost fanatical supporter of our army, and his main concern is the character assasination the current government subjects the military to. If you had checked the facts before writing this poor excuse for an article you would also know that the barriers were there with the consent of the residents of the area. To act like the calculated violence carried out by the police, and the raids they conducted on the homes of those very residents is in any way justifiable is reprehensible on your part. If the Tribune had any sense they would take your shoddily researched opinion off their website.Recommend

  • Oats

    Tahirul Qadri and his followers should be charged for the deaths of these protesters. Your analysis is spot on. Why does the state pander to eberyone who thinks he is above the law and can disrupt life whenever he wants. Imagine if Tahirul Qadri had tried this antic in Canada. He is so against democracy in Pakistan but he runs away to live under democratic norms in Canada. This is a shameful day for the country who are right to go after TTP criminals in Waziristan but allow this type of criminality go on in Lahore.Recommend

  • Misbah Abro

    agreedRecommend

  • fus

    Ms. Uzamaa and where exactly are you? standing out side TUQ house.Recommend

  • Naasir

    Mr. Qadri why don’t you try doing this in your adopted homeland and see what happens to you. You will not because you just don’t have the guts.Recommend

  • Muhammad

    this is soooo biased, did you even question for a minute how all these miraculous complaints happened at this auspicious occasion or notice was taken by the heroic police, and please can you point out all the other politicians house blockades that have come down since, there must be tons of them cause the government really ‘cares about the people’. And how do you substantiate “tahir ul qadri your people are not in the right”, and this full fledged conflict must have been instigated by the workers, because should no full well that not opening the door for the cops means they’ll shoot at you, how silly of them. Finally the police doing they’re job when they know the heat is on and they are pockets are gonna go cold if they don’t take away the governments itch somehow. Again the bias is so obvious its actually annoying.Recommend

  • hasan

    law has the supremacy over every element of the state , if someone challanges the law it challenges the country itselfRecommend

  • Najm Soharwardi

    Is it the duty of police to kill 8 and make 80 injured when they don’t listen to what police was ordered. There are 57 places where you can see the same situation but police was only at Minhajul Quran.
    Recommend

  • Vasim

    strange. it don’t make any sense to me. you justify 10 people killing for removing barrier. ok its fine. then remove out of all leader’s (so called) and elite’s houses. why only one person. and who gave you right to talk about pakistan when you left this country and went to somewhere else. people just sit in some place and write spicy columns to get fame. what can be better topic then this now. its disgusting.Recommend

  • Hina Ebir

    ” People have died, and their loss should be mourned”.

    You may be right on a lot of accounts regarding how police were doing a legal job for the convenience of the citizens ; but the fact that people died shows how poorly it was handled.There can be no excuse for killing people on the street like that. The police should have stepped back from the chaos, planned their moves delicately, for the situation required it, instead of letting innocent people , our own people, die like that. Makes you question their motive and whether political forces were at play behind this incident doesn’t it? None the less I don’t seem to understand why anyone would blame Dr Qadri for this unless he/she has a political motive themselves.Recommend

  • Muzamil

    I agree with the views expressed by the author. Dr. Qadri should cooperate with the government at this juncture especially given the situation the country is facing now. “Dr”. Qadri for God’s sake don’t incite the people and further the cause of enemy.Recommend

  • abhi099

    Why do people who leave their native country give lectures to the native country? Indians do this too. I hate these kind of people.Recommend

  • Ahmad Mubashir

    Even if we side with your stance, then what about the barriers outside Nawaz Sharif’s residence in the same Model Town from where the barriers of Dr.TAQ were removed on the basis of being such a nuisance. Remove the barrier’s outside NS residence also causing the same “nuisance”.Recommend

  • Soban Mehmood

    “The fact that he opposed the government’s decision to go ahead with the military operation…. ”
    What do you mean? Did you even see his statements? He supported the operation and had been in favor of operation when the govt was going for talks! And the barricades were placed 4 years ago on orders of High Court under supervision of police! All the firing was from police, not the people. They even damaged the building and Gullu Butt of PMLN hitting cars, for God’s sake, open your eyes to this butchery!Recommend

  • Afzal Lakhani

    couldnt agree more !!!!!Recommend

  • Sajjad Hashmi

    “She has a Associates degree in Administration of Justice”
    *sigh*Recommend

  • Sami

    All i want to say it is easy to bash Tahir ul Qadri and PAT while sitting and writing from America. Come here in Lahore and then write the article again. Do you even know the ground realities what happened there?. Do you know MInhaj is pretty old organization and Tahir Ul Qadri supporters are known for Discipline, Sufi type ideologies, Anti-Extremism and Non Violence in Punjab.

    Also someday do visit Islamabad, Defense Karachi, Lahore or any Posh city of Pakistan and just see how many barriers are erected there! In Model Town Lahore and everywhere where Nawaz family lives the whole neighborhood is like under siege of barriers. Why at this critical time of Military Operation government saw the barriers of Mr Qadri only?

    The fact of the matter is that Tahir Ul Qadri is anti-Taliban and anti Wahabism and recently he supported Pakistan Army and also Issued a Fatwa against Taliban and that irked PMLN. Despite the fact he is talking against Taliban Punjab government never gave him any security while LEJ Operatives not only roam freely in the whole of Punjab but their leaders are given the police protection as well.

    PMLN leaders have the old habit of acting like Pharaohs while enjoying power. In the coming days you will see more blunders by PMLN and the misuse of power. Just wait and see.Recommend

  • Zeinul Abidin Al-Nouby

    Good article. Unfortunately, a politician like Tahir will never confess to his responsibilities. He just wants his personal empowerment at any means (violent or otherwise) necessary.Recommend

  • Kiran

    AT LAST…A SANE VOICE, The dude needs to be banned from any more of his “jalsas”Recommend

  • Haris Javed

    Four things are beyond me:
    1st: why the Toronto based cleric is trying to topple our current Pakistani setup? does he want to become our future PM/ President/ Ameer etc?
    2nd: why MQM is supporting him?
    3rd: on what corridors of thoughts PML N leaders were in before involving Gullu Butt in all this fiasco?
    4th: why PML N supporters can not call spade a spade?Recommend

  • Usman

    The author should be ashamed of herself, she is just trying to justify the killings. Shame on her for justifying each killing. Shame on you peopleRecommend

  • Arain

    Agreed. Recommend

  • Aiysha

    This piece is a discredit to journalism and the good it stands for. Misinformation, propaganda and sensationalism taken from the media will little real information. Doubt accurate, or at least non-biased ‘investigative stories’ about Pakistan are possible all the way in California though. Recommend

  • Nynaeve

    Supporters actions? The supporters, or people of Pakistan, have the right to protest under the Constitution of Pakistan, an unimportant document that has no worth, no value in Pakistan, apparently.
    So it is their fault that they were gunned down? This is the story of protests in unfortunately all corrupt countries, with corrupt governments and police, i.e. Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan. It does not justify the killing of unarmed civilians by the Police. There are dead bodies lying around, just Google the videos for today’s protests and you’ll see them. It’s mafia rule you are supporting Ma’am; obey the rulers and no one gets hurt, complain and you’ll be gunned down.
    This isn’t the Saudi Kingdom, this is a democracy and the decision makers should be held accountable. Please don’t justify the killing of civilians by saying they brought it on themselves by practicing their right to protest.
    As for hurdles, the streets in front of the Sharifs’ Model Town residence have been blocked for decades; so are the residences of every single politician in the country. I’ve never seen the Police trying to remove those.

    At what point do those women protesting look armed that they had to be gunned down? I saw a video of a woman bleeding to death after being shot, courtesy, the Punjab Police. Maybe you should watch it too, then perhaps you wouldn’t try to offer justifications for police brutality.Recommend

  • Truth

    Have you heard of Gullu Butt? The planted PML-N worker who was destroying cars and property? How about the excessive use of force by the police? Mark my words, This is the beginning of the end for the PML-N.Recommend

  • Abdullah

    What a nonsense article! Bibi, the barrier was court ordered, ordered by Lahore High Court for security reasons and the Model Town police installed it themselves.
    Talk about being ignorant. You don’t understand anything do you? You don’t even have an inkling of the politics that is going on in Pakistan and you think you know everything. That’s one big problem of people from the ultra modern class of Pakistan. What a classic stereotypical example of that you are madam. Afous hai.Recommend

  • Zafar TruePakistani

    Excellent write up. The last paragraph summed it up nicely. Ban him.Recommend

  • Sara

    TUQ ia playing power hungry politics. He is using religion for his personal goals of islamic democratic system. I use the term personal because there are many narratives of Islamic democracy these days.

    Coming back to the point, I think he should be held on trail because he is constantly provoking his followers against the government. A leader with pathetic display of inhumane values.Recommend

  • Khan

    I’m not a TUQ supporter but the facts mentioned here do not correlate with what we’ve seen on TV: The timing of the operation, the well planned attack on their madrasah and the killing of their workers by PMLN hooligans was clearly done to threaten PAT.

    I disagree that TUQ is responsible for any of this. Recommend

  • Jamal

    Uzmaa you missed the important news item.
    police went to the house at 2:30 A.M. By writing a baised
    article, you shown your incompetence and knowledge
    about the incident. Private Police of Sharifs went in
    And attacked in the darkness of night. Journalism must
    be unbaised in the interest of country and countrymen.
    Don’t become the barking tool of this Ruling Mafia Family.
    People are ready to die for the just cause. Misrepresenting
    Facts is a crime in Journalism. Be honest in your Believe and work.
    if you got guts show it in your Blogs.Recommend

  • siesmann

    A completely biased and contrary-to-the fact article.Wish the author would do more investigation before writing “Stories”.Recommend

  • Anum

    So it was legal for the law enforcing agencies to fire, shoot and kill its own civilians?Recommend

  • Ali

    Dear Uzmaa,
    Nothing at all justifies the police brutality we saw. Its a shame.Recommend

  • Samia Zahid

    Tahir ul Qadri added fuel to the fire and he is equally responsible for the loss of lives. It is not confirmed that with whose bullets those eight people died as we know Qadri’s employees from inside the house were also heavily armed and shooting at the police.Recommend

  • Queen

    The problem with our nation is that we always seek leadership qualities in people who have spent their entire lives outside Pakistan.Recommend

  • Yo

    “In his press conference today, Dr Qadri said that he believes the government is taking revenge from him because he stood against the army while its media trial was taking place.”
    “The fact that he opposed the government’s decision to go ahead with the military operation is not reason enough to protest in such a manner”

    Dear Uzmaa kindly do a little only a little research before going through the inconvenience of writing down your thoughts and sharing them with the rest of the world. TUQ supports the army operation and he alleged that the government is against him because he supported the army through out. You have just made a complete fool of yourself.Recommend

  • Fahim Ahmed

    there should not any political party in Pakistan, Army should take over.Recommend

  • gandi awam

    did u investigate it before blaming everything on law enforcementRecommend

  • https://twitter.com/Kamranhayder1 Kamran Hayder

    Punjab Govt & Police once again mismanaged the situation..But beneficiary of this stupidity is TUQ. Real victoms as always are Awam, whether in uniform or otherwise.
    TUQ was tightly dealt by PPP. They dealt him without any force and ultimately, whole situation was against him. Reciters of “Good Governance” has one more lesson to be learnt from this trajic incident…Recommend

  • Tamkanat Rasool

    The major loss is loss of many lives and our leaders are still playing a “blame game”…….instead of providing any solution to the problems, no doubt!Recommend

  • Shawar javed

    Well, I kind of agree with the author. It is not just the Police or Punjab Government to be blamed, TuQ would also have to take responsibility for all what happened yesterday. Why would he go on and hypnotize his people, telling them to sacrifice for him (plz go and see his twitter account). Why the hell in this world has he politicized his movement? I respected him as a great scholar and religious leader but I am sorry, I am totally disappointed to see how he played with the lives of his people. It was stupid of him to keep asking his people to go and collide with Police. Firing from police side is not-justifiable, yes! but what if firing was first started from inside of his residence. Its terrible to see dead bodies, however TuQ could have stopped this mayhem.Recommend

  • hamumano

    Uzmaa, for being able to have the privilege to study at a western institution, this article is the worst! Since you seemed to have overlooked the facts, I shall take it upon myself to clarify the truth of the situation.
    First of all, the barriers were placed there legally 4 years ago by the decision of the high court for security against thugs like the ones that ATTACKED Dr.Tahir-ul-Qadri residence AND the Minhaj-ul-Quran secretariat under no grounds! Why did the barriers suddenly become a problem now?And are you disagreeing with the high court of Pakistan?
    Did you know that 2 WOMEN were amongst the few that were MURDERED after being publicly beaten by the police that you so highly praise? Obviously not since that too seems to be missing from your article. If only you saw the bloodied images of the civilians you call your brothers and sisters, on the streets getting battered and bruised by the police you seem to put your full trust and faith in.
    If only you saw those images, you wouldn’t be able to stand. You would fall to the ground so fast and cry tears for their lives, for their families lives, for their CHILDRENS lives!

    But you won’t shed a single tear.
    Recommend

  • Ahmed

    Yes it is. If citizens do not comply with lawful orders, it is perfectly legal for law enforcing agencies to resort to firing.Recommend

  • Maryam

    Uzmaa, for being able to have the privilege to study at a western institution, this article is worse than a thousand pigs excretion! Since you seemed to have overlooked the facts, I shall take it upon myself to clarify the truth of the situation.
    First of all, the barriers were placed there legally 4 years ago by the decision of the high court for security against thugs like the ones that ATTACKED Dr.Tahir-ul-Qadri residence AND the Minhaj-ul-Quran secretariat under no grounds! Why did the barriers suddenly become a problem now?And are you disagreeing with the high court of Pakistan?
    Did you know that 2 WOMEN were amongst the few that were MURDERED after being publicly beaten by the police that you so highly praise? Obviously not since that too seems to be missing from your article. If only you saw the bloodied images of the civilians you call your brothers and sisters, on the streets getting battered and bruised by the police you seem to put your full trust and faith in.
    If only you saw those images, you wouldn’t be able to stand. You would fall to the ground so fast and cry tears for their lives, for their families lives, for their CHILDRENS lives!

    But you won’t shed a single tear.
    Recommend

  • Bilal

    We have here a man who has nothing to contribute to the country except for criticism in a very loud and annoying voice. How could he justify the actions of his supporters? How could his supporters possibly think what they were doing is right? They acted in a manner similar to all those who Dr Qadri speaks out against. Dr Qadri, kindly do not exacerbate an already fragile situation; the country has enough to deal with without you being a nuisance.Recommend

  • An

    What were these women and unarmed civilians doing outside his residence at 2:30am in the middle of the night?? Protecting?? their leader who isn’t even in the country??? Where is sanity?? It is truly tragic to see someone manipulating people in the name of religion, we need to see the whole picture. He is sitting comfortably in a foreign country , collection donations worldwide, and hypnotizing people in Pak. He is the next Altaf Hussain in making. The difference is that he is very knowledgeable especially in Islam which works like magic with people but knowledge without action is madness! And this is madness..
    This incident is extremely sad and it is heart wrenching to see the loss of innocent livesRecommend

  • omair

    I actually agree with author despite the fact that there are few points are missing. For the people who are against the opinion of the author, I have a question. If the barricades were placed by the orders of Lahore high Court then how come the most efficient force in the city is violating the orders. Police were doing their job what they were ordered to as they had no way out. And honestly TUQ knew it is gonna happen and I mean the retaliation from Punjab Govt but it will go to this level, he had no idea. Should condemn the killing of innocent people but the fact is TUQ has achieved what he was targeting. A fame with the blood considering it a good start for the revolution. This is the same TUQ who dealt with the people in the container when crazy people trusted him and sitting in ISB waiting for revolution. Author should also consider the facts but the truth is TUQ sb , mission accomplished.Recommend

  • Parvez

    Shoot to messenger………that way you don’t have to listen to his message……..is it because deep down you know he is right ?
    The only reason I can think of someone writing something like this is because he / she is a product of and a beneficiary of this system …….a system that has brought this country to its knees.Recommend

  • nyo

    she said not against … “.by the army ” which means with the armyRecommend

  • MaRiyum XhafiQue

    if u have ever some little knowledge about law then u must know that shooting the innocent people is not law when only they are standing for their defence, and for your knowledge those barricades are there with the high court orders and if the shameful govt of punjab wants to remove it they should negotiate, killing many innocent people doesn’t make sense… n y not they remove barricades from their own house which is just 15 min away of walk from there? don’t they have eyes or their only problem is from Dr. Tahirul Qadri.. Punjab govt is helping them and this whole scenario proves itRecommend

  • KK

    Well totally disagree with this article. The barriers was placed 4 years ago by the orders of court and in any case you cannot treat peoples of the state like that. PML N itself wasted four years in Punjab by doing such protest. The womens died in this incident , One of them was pregnant and died because of LATHI CHARGE of police the other got bullets in their chest. The police keep beaten them till the end even when they were in the way to ambulance by rescue team. Its Brutall and ashamed. ITS NOT ABOUT TAHIR UL QADRI “ITS ABOUT PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN BEATEN BY POLICE OF PAKISTAN BY THE ORDERS OF GOVERNMENT OF PAKISTAN ” . I think we all should stand in not in favor of Mr Tahir ul Qadri but in solidarity with the people who got effected by this incident because what they were doing as per the instructions of their political leader as MQM supporters doing for Mr Altaf Hussain , PTI for Imran Khan , PPP for Mr Zardari and lastly Mr Gullu Butt one of the senior Negotiator of PML – N doing for Mr Nawaz and Shahbaz Sharif .Recommend

  • Abuzar Jamil

    Altaf Hussain in Sindh = Tahir-ul-Qadri in Punjab. I am not a supporter of N-League but upsetting the current system will do no good to this country.He is trying hard to pose as Ruhollah Khomeini but he and his party are nothing more than a pressure group.Recommend

  • Akbar

    I am not a supporter of PAT or MUQ of dr qadri. I think their agenda is unclear and potentially subversive. However, its ludicrous that you should direct your outrage on the “inconvenience” caused by a roadblock. Not on the fact that a violent goon and known buddy of the chief minister was given free rein to command punjab police like his personal posse and lead them into killing innocent civilians. Punjab police has tear gas and they have rubber bullets. but they became thugs and chose to straight fire.. Such force is not applied without approval from higher ups in police, which as we all know are servants of khaadim e aala. So no, dr qaqri is not responsible for killing 8 ppl. Punjab govt and shahbaz sharif is. Like you said, yours is a weak argument. Dont make a fool of yourself.Recommend

  • Ali Adnan
  • Humbug

    An investigative story is sadly quite different from a set of facts.Recommend

  • Dani

    really, I can’t believe someone could even say anything like thatRecommend

  • aftab

    all political, linguistic and religious parties should be dis-armed and banned …….this is the only solution to present chaotic situation in pakistanRecommend

  • Bilal

    That is not to say that I condone the actions of the police. Excessive force was used without a doubt, but the Police cannot be solely blamed. Tahir ul Qadri should share equal blame in the matter.Recommend

  • Shakir Lakhani

    This guy loves Pakistan so much that he prefers to live in Canada. Has he ever tried to put barricades outside his Canadian home? And he wants to create mayhem in Pakistan to change the government. Why doesn’t he hold public meetings in Canada to force that country to adopt Islamic laws? Our government should ask the Canadians to arrest this man if he tries to come to Pakistan.Recommend

  • Khushab wala

    The barriers were there for a long long time. Not recently put up. So,
    all of a sudden the police get this unbearable urge to remove these
    barriers? Just before Qadri is gue to arrive. Then, Gullu Butt says it all.
    As an aside, during IK’s dharna, bus drivers, transporters, buses, vans etc.
    were told by Punjab Govt. to be off the streets. If they are caught transporting the people to the dharnas there will be heaven to pay.Recommend

  • Khushab wala

    The barriers were there for a long long time. Not recently put up. So,
    all of a sudden the police get this unbearable urge to remove these
    barriers? Just before Qadri is gue to arrive. Then, Gullu Butt says it all.
    As an aside, during IK’s dharna, bus drivers, transporters, buses, vans etc.
    were told by Punjab Govt. to be off the streets. If they are caught transporting the people to the dharnas there will be heaven to pay.Recommend

  • Aly Shah

    I agree. Mr Qadri is not living in Pakistan from the past many years having barricades outside his house is a waste and hassle to the neighbours. He should have matured enough to realize how to handle a situation instead of telling his to revolt. A person who doesn’t want to live in Pakistan and is a Canadian citizen cannot work towards the harmony of the country. Lower middle class followers do not have the intelligence to differentiate between right and wrong. The blood of these people is on the hand of TUQ. He is no MQM and shouldn’t act like one. One person handling the city from abroad is enough for Pakistan.Recommend

  • Critical Thinker..!!!

    Dear Author,

    I not a Qadri fan.
    1)When the same was done by Musharraff during Lawyer move ..you labelled him a traitor
    2) In a Democracy the people have right to demonstrate. And if police kills during Demonstration, the Government is repsonsible. Its a fact and cannot be changed
    3) A PML N worker is derstroying cars on “Some ones” order was definately a planned idea.
    In any case. Dont choose sides follow the law…!!!Recommend

  • Shah (Berlin)

    Dear Haris,

    excellent unbiased questions..!!!Recommend

  • Ahamd

    according to your theory …we are not in Democracy but in a Dictatorship…!!!!Recommend

  • Critical Thinker..!!!

    Either the Pakistani governement have the guts and remove dual nationals like in Germany. Or you have to accept the dual national as your national….he/she cannot hold a position in Cabnet but has 100% right to demonstrate when He/she wants in a Democracy…!!!!
    Either follow democracy or let the Army rule…Recommend

  • Guest

    My mistake, they’ve officially retracted it.Recommend

  • Guest

    My mistake, they’ve officially retracted it.Recommend

  • An

    ”I think we all should stand in not in favor of Mr Tahir ul Qadri but in solidarity with the people who got effected by this incident ” – agreed

    But ”doing as per the instructions of their political leader as MQM supporters doing for Mr Altaf Hussain…….” – completely disagree, we are given BRAINS for a reason!Recommend

  • An

    ”I think we all should stand in not in favor of Mr Tahir ul Qadri but in solidarity with the people who got effected by this incident ” – agreed

    But ”doing as per the instructions of their political leader as MQM supporters doing for Mr Altaf Hussain…….” – completely disagree, we are given BRAINS for a reason!Recommend

  • aaa

    you are noon supporter, shame, or just want more hits on your blog. Shame ShameRecommend

  • NUST graduate

    Our society is gradually turning insensitive towards the loss of blood and life.No wonder the blog writer has come out, trumpeting her support for the bestiality of Punjab police and the brutish way the women and old people were treated. Taher ul Qadri might be wrong, the way “humans” were treated might be justified but the most pitiless and diabolical thing would be to salt the wounds of the victims whose blood has been shed, by writing such idiotic blogs.Recommend

  • Ishaq

    Sorry Guys but this is a one side view (government /PML-N) blog . Look that the PML-N activist smashing cars windscreen and leading Punjab Police (sorry Nawaz police). Is this is how you handle people with opposite opinion ?Recommend

  • Asad Malik

    your analysis and understanding is totally false and disappointing. The brutality of punjab police can never be justified in any means. Is this what they were ordered by court to open straight fire and disrespect the ladies and old.
    Keep your self in the place of martyred two women of the same family, then you would realize the real pain. It is very easy to pass comments sitting in an air conditioned room. By writing this article you have hurt the victim families.Recommend

  • Saad

    The thoughts of a dictator, through the words of a opportunist.Recommend

  • Mujtaba Anwar

    Tahir ul Qadri is not a saint, but no one can justify cold blooded murder of innocent people. Punjab government’s action backfired and it will create more mess. It’s not good for a country fighting against extremism and terrorism. Recommend

  • Syed Usman Shah Gillani

    The loss of life means nothing to you sick people. It was the darkest and bloodiest hour of 30 years of Minhaj ul Quran – One of the most peaceful organisations of all time (citing the long march).Recommend

  • Sayed Aasim Jawaid

    A well written article, the question still remains for PAT and TUQ to answer , Was it worth the 08 lives, for a change you want to make, but not ready to change yourself ?????, you ask for an Army Protocol and have barriers outside your residence where you don’t even live in !!!Recommend

  • Sami

    Dear Haris let me assure you that the Foreign Based People of Pakistani Origin weather they live in Toronto, Middle east, Europe, America or anywhere are as much sincere of Pakistan as anyone living in Pakistan. Even in my view Foreign based Pakistanis think more about the prosperity of their country than the people living in Pak.

    So Kindly dont try to bring such argument. It is not a crime to live abroad and work for your country. If Qadri is living in Canada then what?. The world is a global village and welcome to the new Ground realities.

    Secondly who are you to question MQM support for Qadri.? You are showing the typical mindset of Urban Punjab. I am a Punjabi as well but let me tell you kindly we should not become a Thekedaar of Pakistan and issue Fatwas of Pakistaniat. You like it or not but MQM is a Reality and also MQM support base is from Karachi and they are one of the most educated people in the whole of Pakistan. You cannot question their Patriotism and in democracy they have every right to exercise their opinion. Yes they have the problem of Violence but it has a history as well.

    Also I belong from a small village near PIndi and let me assure you that the brutalities of PMLN MNA, MPAs and their Badmaashs and even PTI have no match to the activities of MQM. The fact of the matter is that PMLN thugs do it in villages where Media dont cover such news while MQM is urban and their activities come forward instantly through media.

    All i know sometimes it is difficult to comment without bias. Also it is useless to argue with any Political Jiala in Pakistan as every Jiala of every party has some Ego and opinion and their leader can never do any wrong doings whatever the circumstances may be.Recommend

  • Critical thinker…!!!

    Wht ever the reason may be ..does not justify brutal police killings ..sorry not atleast in a democracy…
    If you support this than you should support Musharraf Lawyer cutting..!!!!Recommend

  • Critical thinker…!!!

    Nice one blame on the demostraters…In which Democracy do you live…!!!Recommend

  • Anees Ahmed Khan

    All barriers in the name security of so-called politicians be removed at once. In Kcy. at 90 (MQM HQ) whole locality has been made no-go area., residents r in deadly problems with fear as well. Many have sold out their properties at lowest prices & left the area. TQadri is also trying to move on foot-steps of Altaf in all aspects.Recommend

  • bisma

    Samia I think you didnt watch the live coverage of the incident. There was no firing from inside or else there would have been dead police men instead of dead people. And even if we consider what you say is right and that the ‘employees’ were armed, then why was the police murdering and beating innocent people to death outside the house? Please think before you write.Recommend

  • fze

    We have the right, we have the right… all we talk about is rights but do we ever talk about duties let alone act on them. However whatever happened is sad.Recommend

  • Mohammad Shuaib Hussain

    I agree with all your questions I’d just like to ask one more thing though:
    1. Why isn’t Qadri’s/his supporters irresponsible behaviour being questioned? i.e. if his supporters did this in Canada they’d be prosecuted and jailed.

    The police officers are already being questioned by the media. It seems biased to me.Recommend

  • Mohammad Shuaib Hussain

    She understands that there are rules and regulations in a CIVIL society and that NO ONE is above the law and that if someone is breaking the law you have to follow the judicial system in a country. *SIGH*Recommend

  • Mohammad Shuaib Hussain

    My point exactly, however the moderators here don’t seem to like alternative views and obviously won’t allow my comments through.
    Our *lovely unbiased media*.Recommend

  • Mohammad Shuaib Hussain

    Follow due process for Allah’s sake.

    The police would *illegally* move Tahir ul Qadri’s barriers and guess what he’ll file a suit against the police and the Court will decide what is just and what is not. He may even be compensated for it.

    You can *NOT* fight against the police. What is this nonsense?Recommend

  • Mohammad Shuaib Hussain

    In a democracy you can NOT RIOT! You can NOT go against the police!!! You HAVE to listen to police! If they do something wrong you file a lawsuit! that is what happens in democracy!! Rioters are JAILED for upto 20 years!!!
    All the 3000 “protesters” would be jailed in the UK for upto 20 years!! That is ALSO what happens in democracy!!Recommend

  • Mohammad Shuaib Hussain

    I could agree with that part.

    It still doesn’t Qadri’s position is fine. Which is my whole point – both are wrong.Recommend

  • Mohammad Shuaib Hussain

    Some of the protesters were armed – but your point is spot on.

    However both parties can be wrong too – the police AND TUQ can be wrong at the same time!! So why are you cherry picking TUQ as being right when he also an instigator and partially responsible!Recommend

  • Mubashir

    PAT must practice what they preach and remove encroachments. More so as it claims to be a law abiding Islamic group. That said, we must wait till the judicial report comes out and stop being judge, jury and executioner based on contradictory media reports.Recommend

  • Usman

    Degrees are being gifted to girls, no doubtsRecommend

  • Taji

    Have u ever asked the overseas Pakis to not send remiitances? If no they why are u challenging Qadri’s right to challenge status quo?
    FYI Nawaz and Benazir both were involved in politicals while sitting in Jeddah and Dubai.Recommend