Pakistan is at war… finally

Published: June 16, 2014

After all these years, and the loss of so many dear lives, we’ve been jolted into action. PHOTO: AFP

Two fighters enter a ring to fight over a title.

The decision has been made; or been made public, at least.

The war is ours, finally. The time for talks, indeed, is over. Pakistan Army has launched an operation against the militants in North Waziristan Agency (NWA).

After all these years, and the loss of so many dear lives, we’ve been jolted into action. Over the next few days, details will pour in of exactly what and how the Army hopes to achieve from this operation. And over the next few years, of course, we’ll get to see the ramifications materialise in our daily lives, too. The military operation might be underway in NWA, but it is going to spill over in other parts of the country as well.

This is not the first operation against the militants, and Pakistan is not the first country in the world to launch a retaliatory operation against a domestic threat either. In fact, Zarb-e-Azb is the tenth operation undertaken by the Pakistan Army since 2007. But, the battle lines, ever so murky over the last few years, have finally been drawn clearly. Similar insurgencies have been fought all over the world. Very recently, Sri Lanka has successfully concluded a 30-year struggle with its own rebels. One can only hope that it will not take us that long to do so.

Both are battle-hardened, and have proved their mettle in the arena.

But we shouldn’t feel heroic just yet. Bear in mind that the international community has been coaxing, and sometimes even forcing, us to eliminate the militant threat for a long time now. Pakistan’s secretive harbouring of terrorist groups in the past has not been very conducive for our international image, either. Moreover, the decision to launch the operation, coming at a crucial time, will generate some monumental bickering within our ranks.

Why an operation? Why so late? Why now? Does the recent insurgency in Iraq have anything to do with this? What about talks? Who’s providing the funding? Surely, the missiles will separate the good militants from the bad ones, right? Will we allow the militants to lay down arms and follow the state’s writ? Do the ends justify the means?

Some of the questions will be legitimate, and further our understanding of the conflict; others, not so much. The ‘analysts’ and the TV presenters will run themselves hoarse while providing their ‘analyses’. But know this: there are no easy answers.

It is time for us, as a nation, to stand firm. But while doing so, we must not allow anger to cloud our sensibilities, and lose sight of the broader issue. Zarb-e-Azb is going to define Pakistan’s future, and there are some very pertinent matters that have to be kept in mind.

First of all, as a result of the military conflict, the rest of the country will see a wave of internally displaced persons (IDPs) flocking to the safer areas of the land. While the Pakistani state should provide safe passage to the displaced, stringent checks will have to be made to ensure that militants are not allowed to escape into other regions of the country in this way. Furthermore, if the operation runs long (and I have a feeling it might), the IDPs will have to be integrated into the national mainstream through efficient management of human and physical resources.

Secondly, with the Army busy on the Western frontier, it is time for Pakistan to get more regional and international support behind this endeavour. Rather than playing the oft over-played ‘victim’ card, Pakistan should take ownership, and have the wherewithal to see the operation through. It is an opportunity to improve relations with the neighbours, which will allow us to focus on the issue at hand, and not let our energies be diverted. The safe havens in North Waziristan have been a cause of concern for quite some time, so hopefully the operation will provide the impetus to a broader regional cooperation.

Thirdly, the contested Durand Line, that serves as the territorial border between Pakistan and Afghanistan, must be made less (read non) porous, to not let the militants take refuge in Afghan land during times of heavy conflict. Without an effective control of the boundary, the militants will easily migrate to safer areas across the border. With the NATO forces drawing down as well at the end of this year, this contingency must be addressed.

Both invoke a divine right to the title.

Fourthly, all locations within Pakistan that can provide easy targets for the militants (and our past experience tells us that this list runs very long) to retaliate over the operation in NWA must be given hefty security upgrades. A lot of Pakistani lives have already been lost in the events leading up to this day. Efforts must be made to ensure protection and safety for all citizens. Pakistan is going to be at war now, and a dedicated drive can be launched nation-wide, to educate the masses on the necessity for the operation, and provide guidelines for individual and communal safety.

But… only one of them will be left standing by the end of it.

Lastly (and I’m fearful this might fall on deaf ears) we must learn from our past mistakes. Regardless of the outcome of the operation, we have to understand that it is not just the matter of eliminating a few militants or bombarding some remote hideouts. We know from experience that the enemy is quick to replace their fallen, so the problem here is much deeper. In order to truly eliminate the militant threat, a more moderate and multi-cultural approach has to be adopted in our daily lives, one that leaves no room for any extremist ideologies to flourish anymore.

Which of the two gets to claim God’s support, though?

Whoever wins.

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Syed Rashid Munir

Syed Rashid Munir

He has a B.Sc. in Politics & Economics from LUMS, and an Erasmus Mundus Masters in European Studies. He currently works for a public-sector organisation, and plans to pursue a PhD in Politics. He tweets as @srmunir (twitter.com/srmunir)

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  • Naila

    Go on Pakistan Army, go get those murderers. Pakistan Army Zindabad. Recommend

  • Supriya Arcot

    Well I for one think there are no winners in any war, there are mere survivors . War begets war, hatred begets hatred. Surely there must be more peaceful alternatives to solve these problems world wide. How about education ?Recommend

  • Abbasi

    The military operation is the easy part. Now lets go after the mullahs who spread their hateful sermons. Make Pakistan more inclusive for the Ahmadiyas, Shias and minorities. Give a hearing to rationalist thinkers instead of demagogues. Lets put in place a secular constitution. Rewrite our history books to give a truthful and less partisan version of history. Any takers that we will do this. All I see is a reversion to the same cycle of violence every few years.Recommend

  • unbelievable

    “In fact, Zarb-e-Azb is the tenth operation undertaken by the Pakistan Army since 2007.”

    The only large scale military operation I can recall took place in 09 – used less than 5% of the military resources available – killed/captured no Taliban leaders – and was largely a public relations stunt to shore up the image of the military and coerce money from USA. That operations ended up moving Taliban from S Waziristan to N Waziristan. The reality is that every time Pakistan drops a few bombs or shoots artillery they call it an offensive. Time will tell whether this “offensive” is there real deal.Recommend

  • Naila

    I will vote for you!!- but sorry I cant since I am an Ahmadi. Please change that when you are elected :)Recommend

  • non muslim

    Very well said.Recommend

  • non muslim

    Very well said.Recommend

  • non muslim

    “But, the battle lines, ever so murky over the last few years, have
    finally been drawn clearly. Similar insurgencies have been fought all
    over the world.”

    I’m not so sure that’s true.

    Because Pakistan is selective in its operations. Pakistan is not going to target India or Afghan directed terrorist organizations like Haqqani network or Lashkaretayyiba.

    This may seem to be in the interest of Pakistan today. But it will prove fatal again in the years to come.

    You see in 1979, some honest people of Pakistan suggested Pakistan to
    not get into the war in Afghanistan. You did and you suffered for many
    decades.

    Today, Pakistan is doing a similar mistake of selectively targeting ‘bad terrorists’ and leaving out ‘good terrorists’.

    This will prove very expensive in the years to come.Recommend

  • non muslim

    “But, the battle lines, ever so murky over the last few years, have
    finally been drawn clearly. Similar insurgencies have been fought all
    over the world.”

    I’m not so sure that’s true.

    Because Pakistan is selective in its operations. Pakistan is not going to target India or Afghan directed terrorist organizations like Haqqani network or Lashkaretayyiba.

    This may seem to be in the interest of Pakistan today. But it will prove fatal again in the years to come.

    You see in 1979, some honest people of Pakistan suggested Pakistan to
    not get into the war in Afghanistan. You did and you suffered for many
    decades.

    Today, Pakistan is doing a similar mistake of selectively targeting ‘bad terrorists’ and leaving out ‘good terrorists’.

    This will prove very expensive in the years to come.Recommend

  • Nynaeve

    Sri Lanka’s civil war has one of the worst track records of human rights abuses, I wouldn’t want Pakistan to follow that example; although the Pakistani Army has done it before, in Bangladesh. I have never witnessed a country who is so happy when its own people are being bombed. Incidentally, if you see how Western countries have fought similar movements in their territories, their approach hasn’t been to bomb parts of, say, Northern Ireland. Other governments have not considered the lives of its citizens worthless, as in the case of Pakistan. Like you mention, if the Pakistan Army has been conducting operations for years already, why do we see no difference? Apparently, they are either not effective or there is some collusion. It’s funny though how nationalistic, flag-raising propaganda can manipulate opinions of literate, educated people. I feel sorry for Pakistan.Recommend

  • non muslim

    That sounds wonderful!!!

    But will go a step further and suggest how do you give education to those who are bombing airports?

    Do you stop them at the airport terminal with a placard that reads, “come to my school”?Recommend

  • non muslim

    That sounds wonderful!!!

    But will go a step further and suggest how do you give education to those who are bombing airports?

    Do you stop them at the airport terminal with a placard that reads, “come to my school”?Recommend

  • sam

    no winner?? mere survivors ?? what r u – a butterfly?? hey Dr.StrangeLove, wake up .. there is war going on wherein the left hand is bombing the right hand.. thats pakistans..Recommend

  • sam

    no winner?? mere survivors ?? what r u – a butterfly?? hey Dr.StrangeLove, wake up .. there is war going on wherein the left hand is bombing the right hand.. thats pakistans..Recommend

  • Naila

    Education is more of a long term prospect- it will determine if we can sustain peace in Pakistan. I understand where you are coming from but we cannot wait any longer, the taliban will ruin the country if they are not dealt with straight away.Recommend

  • https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=8559594100366660134#allposts Supriya Arcot

    No need to be so sarcastic.I mean providing opportunities in work / jobs /schools . Luring / encouraging people from these war torn areas to come out and do honest work. Give them perks to show them that hard work pays . Give their communities representation in the parliament.. Well I can only think of these things. If you have any answers ( peaceful ones .. ) then go ahead. I am all ears. Majority of the wars are fought because of dwindling resources like jobs / food / opps etc., The middle class rarely fights because they are busy minding their own business with jobs / families etc., Start the peace process by analysing the have-nots.Recommend

  • Karl Icahn

    This operation is not based on any ethical principles, rather it is based on anger. We have seen this kind of things in the past. War is no answer. Our past folly has come back to roost at home. Our policy has been to encourage terrorism, but only as long as it does not bite us. Well, it will. Remember, our country is not only a terrorist country, but it is an evil country. And the terrorism is deep rooted in our blood, our religion, at least the interpretation of it. If you want to get rid of this menace, attack the root of it – interpret the book in a humane way, which, I know will not be possible at this time.. So God save us. for now.Recommend

  • Lahore wala

    How about educating the Indians. The Bodos, the Nagas, the Goanese
    the Kashmiris. the Tamils, the Sinhalese. Oh,.. forgot the poor Keralis.
    Once you finish, you can come help educate here. See? Simple.Recommend

  • Guest

    Thinking of “mighty” PAK the nation is boosting to bomb out every thing in NWA.. The power is less than Russian power in 1979 and US power in 2001. This is part of plan to break PAK. They want the afghan tyrant to shift towards PAK. Better to get good support of good tribal influential ppl and eliminate taliban through them rather than creating 1971 situation once again.Recommend

  • Alann

    Seems like Nawaz Sharif has suddenly started talking lot of sense in all of his speeches and doing the right things, ever since he met Modi.
    Now all thats required is for the Pakistan Army to not back down within a short span of time. It is surprising ET did not print article about the new warnings by militants to all foreign firms and airliners to leave Pakistan at the earliest if they do not want to suffer losses. It is apparent, if the Army fails to clear the militants, then the militant attacks all over Pakistan, in all likelihood, would get much worser than what they are already.
    Terming those who attack Pakistan itself as “Bad Taliban” and those who further the Establishment’s agenda of strategic depth in Afghanistan and Kashmir as “Good taliban” has clearly not helped. It is time the Army does the right thing, and clears them all out.Recommend

  • Faulitics

    Ahmadis do not have the right to vote in Pakistan? Really?Recommend

  • Faulitics

    Sure. We can sponsor Mullah Fazlullahs liberal arts education in the west and hopefully after his graduation, he will put a stop to all of these killings. :-). jk.Recommend

  • Sam

    i think the operation should not be taken…..Recommend

  • abhi

    This is just eyewash. I can bet, nothing is going to happen in this so called army operation. It is business as usual.Recommend

  • Sam

    i think the operation should not be taken….Recommend

  • Parvez

    ……..and what happened to Malala ?
    What I like about your comment is that your heart is firmly planted in the right place.Recommend

  • Parvez

    I will say what I’ve said elsewhere and that is : The bombing in N.Waziristan is like treating the symptom and not the disease…….because the disease resides within us, it shows its face on national TV, it is heard from the pulpits of many a mosque on Fridays and it resides in madrassa that preach extremism and hate……AND IT’S THIS DISEASE THAT NEEDS TO BE UPROOTED AND BURNT.Recommend

  • Lalit

    well ,its addition to my knowledge….Ahmadis are disenfranchised in Pakistan.Recommend

  • Sam

    great article!!Recommend

  • A concerned Pakistani

    The point of this article can only be agreed to some extent.Bombarding these people will not be of benefit to anyone as far as the population of Pakistan is concerned.Recommend

  • http://nazarbaaz.blogspot.com/ 2#

    we can and must not talk to the murderers and instead show them the best way a full fledged government can operate to take a stand on its writ.Recommend

  • http://nazarbaaz.blogspot.com/ 2#

    They are attacking us in the name of Islam, where we know they are actually like the hungry hounds, running to find the prey… we wont let a few take of 180 Million’s country…Recommend

  • http://nazarbaaz.blogspot.com/ 2#

    its not left hand… its west hand and the east hand insteadRecommend

  • http://nazarbaaz.blogspot.com/ 2#

    it was actually to build up 400 Kilometers road which is done and now the area has really shortened.would these bugs be there, Pakistan had not been able to build up the roads infrastructure over there :) happy?Recommend

  • Moiz Omar

    The Taliban terrorists should be wiped out permanently.Recommend

  • genesis

    Shut their source to publicity and if they get on to the internet hack them. They thrive on publicity and that should be choked.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    There are so many variety of Militant groups.

    1) Anti-India
    2) Anti-America
    3) Anti-Pakistan
    4) Anti-Minorities(Shias, Ahmadis, Hindus, Sikhs)
    5) Anti-Iran(which is closely affiliated to #4)
    6) Anti-China
    7) Anti-Afghan

    So, Pakistan has decided to go after only 1 out of these 7 deadly Terror combos.

    This operation is very limited in scope. It will not change anything in Pakistan.

    The day people like Hafiz Saeed and Masood Azar and that anti-Shia guy and the Taliban face justice, you can say Pakistan has truly changed and is on a path of recovery.

    Until then, its all bluster.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    At the least, Pakistan cannot even target Terrorist nurseries – The Madressas.

    After Karachi attacks, they had to do something, they chose this. But, the policy of using proxies and using Radicals to fight India, Afghanistan, US has not changed.

    That is why the Madressas will stay intact(Also, they know what happened after Lal Masjid. Imagine there are 100s of such Terror factories in Pakistan). That is why Hafiz Saeed and Masood Azar will roam free in Pakistan.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Education?

    Zawahiri is a Doctor. Faisal Shehzad of Times Square fame is a graduate. 9/11 bombers were very well educated.

    Indian Mujahideen and SIMI are filled with Engineers and other Graduates.

    Take yourself. You are a Medical student who has beliefs, which you will never change in your lifetime.

    But, hardened Criminals will? You, who appears much more willing to change and think, will not change, think about the Radicals.Recommend

  • vasan

    AgreedRecommend

  • vasan

    Yeah, education, right? Whom will you teach when these terrorist morons keep demolishing schools, and shooting young girls in their head. You have to kill the shooters first, my dear lady, then educate the restRecommend

  • non muslim

    Whatever you have mentioned are cliches. Everyone knows that.

    Everyone knows that starved needs food, illiterate needs education, homeless needs home and jobless needs job.

    That’s not even a question here.

    That’s also not the solution. Solution is how do you do that.

    If you don’t know how to make a boat and row it, then just saying “cross the river using a boat” is not a solution, is it? That’s close to tautology.Recommend

  • non muslim

    To be honest sir, Pakistan’s human rights record of 1971 is far worse than Srilanka’s civil war.

    Wouldn’t you agree.

    Collateral damage is a part of any war. It is unfortunate but is a part of it.

    I think Pak army has taken the right decision.

    I only want to see Pak army extending this assault on other networks like Haqqani and Hekmathiyar network.

    Perhaps 5 years down the line, it would be wonderful if Pak army can crush the India centric terrorists like JuD also.Recommend

  • water bottle

    How did this comment get past the moderators?

    Had I written it, without even talking about religion, I would have been branded a hater.

    While I have never said anything against Islam, even though I know plenty of evil in every religion, including Islam or Hinduism.Recommend

  • http://www.khnaveed.com Khwaja Naveed

    I fully Support Pakistan Army !Recommend

  • Liberty 5-3000

    Correction: Pakistan Zindabad, Just remember that the army is Pakistani government’s servant.Recommend

  • Jumrud Rizwanullah

    Who knows, Lord Modi will open a graduate school where Hidustani trolls can aspire to be real artists. Attaining a really
    high level of ” How to spew poison about Pakistan’ All degrees
    personally handed out by lord Modi, himself. No tuition.
    Just wear orange robes,…er ..dhotis. No women need apply.Recommend

  • Ammar Amer

    “In order to truly eliminate the militant threat, a more moderate and multi-cultural approach has to be adopted in our daily lives, one that leaves no room for any extremist ideologies to flourish anymore.”
    Here comes the solution! So to suppress the extremism completely, we need to eliminate the ideologies. Well said!!Recommend

  • Anwar Kamal

    The army is the servant of the state, not the govt.Recommend

  • https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=8559594100366660134#allposts Supriya Arcot

    And what is YOUR solution to this non stop nonsense violence kind sire , if at all you have one .Recommend

  • https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=8559594100366660134#allposts Supriya Arcot

    Dr.StrangeLove? what kind of name is that ?Recommend

  • https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=8559594100366660134#allposts Supriya Arcot

    One more solution I can think of is inviting them to the table to come for TALKS. Make them get organised between themselves and come to the negotiating table . Mightier wars were won more by the TALKS than by the sword.Recommend

  • Mehdi

    Very well said mr. Parvez.Recommend

  • نائلہ

    We do, but we have to sign a page saying what we believe is incorrect. Now nobody wants to do that aye.Recommend

  • Saram

    doing what Pakistan army is doing is almost unbelievable because for the past century attacking these terrorists has been out of the question.the government had never thought of doing something like this before and for some time i was under the impression that Pakistani government was taking some kind of advantage from these terrorists that is why they were not doing anything about it but now that they have taken action i hope that it is a success because there are many chances that this might not go as well as planned.Recommend

  • Kazmi

    The army should be the central power above the government and every single group. We know our country and the army is the only force that keeps Pakistan together.Recommend

  • Naila

    When did I say who is going to be getting educated? Hail the king of generalisations! I’m talking about the next generation Anoop, the children which are taught to hate and kill in madrasahs Recommend

  • khan

    this is not that easy as everyone is backing Pakistan army do u know mostly innocent are dying what do u think about that why we always obey AMERICAN orders in fact this is not our war why from the start we own the American war why??Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Yes, your biggest worry is Modi.

    Chant “I hate Modi, Modi is a a bad man” 100 times every day. Maybe that will distract you from all the bombings going all over Pakistan.

    Talk about misplaced priorities!Recommend

  • Naila

    Stop this hate. You are only embarrassing Pakistanis.Recommend

  • non muslim

    Well, I have already mentioned that in my previous comment.Recommend

  • Hoshang Ansari Kaghani

    Sir, with all due respects, symptoms are what leads to creating a diagnosis
    to cure a disease. Say, symptoms of a bad cold does not warrant treatment for
    heart disease. Astigmatism, short sightedness, does not mean crutches. So
    please think, symptoms indicate which disease is present. And how to eradicate it. There maybe different remedies available to cure the same disease. You could use clinical advance medications. Or go the old fashion
    route. Homeopathic medicine. Hamdard Dwakhana ring a bell? A… Hakim?Recommend

  • Naila

    Whether they are following american orders or not, do YOU have any better suggestions to combat terrorism? The terrorists are killing Pakistanis, not the Americans. It is therefore OUR war.Recommend

  • Fareed Baig Shinwari

    Are you embarrassing Pakistan?? Think about itRecommend

  • Gp65

    I hope that the ground operation does succeed in degrading the TTP and Pakistan sees a much needed reduction in acts of terror. But i want to ask you – do you support bombing of your own territory by an airforce ( despite what is claimed – bombs are blind and there is a high civilian collateral damage). Remember this same airforce reused to fly to protect your own soldiers who wee being bombarded in Salala.

    There were some misguided politicians in India who asked for airforce help in fighting Maoists. The Air Chief was categorical that they are trained to defend India against foreign invasions – not kill fellow Indians.

    My support sympathy and empathy are for the ordinary Pakistani and hat is why i wish this operation succeeds. I certainly have my misgiving about the Pakistani army which has as a matter of policy funded, armed and trained terror groups that are India specificRecommend

  • Gp65

    Great idea except that TTP have bombed and destroyed over 300,000 schools. Perhaps you noticed what they did to Malala for being an adocate of education for girls.Recommend

  • Ansh

    Poor keralite has highest literary ;) kashmiri 73% bodos 76 n rest u talking comes under 85-91% except sinhalese they r not indians but yes they r also higly educatedRecommend

  • Prashant

    Agreed Moiz. Not just from Pakistan but Afghanistan as well.Recommend

  • Prashant

    I thought you have already tried that approach with no results.Recommend

  • Anwar Kamal

    Only the unity of the people can keep the country together,not the army.As for example…The East Pakistan case.Recommend

  • Naila

    I am telling the truth and if it is embarrassing Pakistanis, then I have succeeded. Recommend

  • نائلہ

    You accuse the Pakistani army of terrorising india just as Pakistanis accuse Indians of spreading terror in Pakistan. Neither have proofs.

    And I support anything which will get rid of these militants. But drones are apparently better at containing the collateral damage. Recommend

  • p r sharma

    strange . so saying truth makes you believe that it is an embarrassment to Pakistan . This feeling simply signals that what the Ahmedis are compelled to do ( a forcible confession ) before voting is terribly wrong and you just want it to keep under the carpet. ( surely out of the brave people none can dare to raise a finger on it ).Recommend

  • Parvez

    In this case the patient has CANCER…..and the only remedy is to cut it out and burn the bad cells and sadly some good cells as well…….this is not the common cold or something a Homeopathic practitioner can cure…….THE SOONER WE REALISE THIS THE BETTER FOR US.
    Thanks for your positive input.Recommend

  • Fareed Baig Shinwari

    That was just to get your true colors showing. Remember what you wrote to Lahore wala? Ring a bell? You slammed him
    [Lahore wala] for no reason. All he did was write about two tons
    a page of garbage/hate dished out by Indian trolls. Taste of your own medicine.Recommend

  • Fareed Baig Shinwari

    That was just to get your true colors showing. Remember what you wrote to Lahore wala? Ring a bell? You slammed him
    [Lahore wala] for no reason. All he did was write about two tons
    a page of garbage/hate dished out by Indian trolls. Taste of your own medicine.Recommend

  • Naila

    What true colours? I am what I am and I have no reason to hide it. And what did I say to lahore wala, for I don’t recall? Recommend

  • Kay Aar

    You can not negotiate with zombies.Recommend

  • Arbaaz

    All there is to say is that this operation should have been carried out a long time ago.Recommend

  • Awam ki Avaaz

    Pakistan Zindabad :)Recommend

  • Anwar Kamal

    But why?Recommend

  • Anwar Kamal

    But truth is stranger than fictionRecommend

  • Faulitics

    Sorry to hear this. Never heard of anything like this happening anywhere in todays world.Recommend

  • Faulitics

    You are a dictators dream come true. Every dictator in the world would want people to have the same mindset as yours.Recommend

  • El Cid

    “Pakistan is at war… finally ”

    War ?
    What war?
    Bombing from the air: Men, women, children, the elderly and babies…homes and villages of the poorest of the poor is your concept of war?

    What I see and know: Genocide, wonton indiscriminate bombing, collective punishment, crimes against humanity and sins against God !Recommend

  • El Cid

    Bharat is the root of all evil in the region and should be attended to.Recommend

  • Arsalan Vardag

    For and against votes and %age does not match. Need to check formulas. Recommend

  • neha

    I really hope that changes soon enough. Your believes are your believes and that is not a good enough reason to stop you from choosing your own leader.
    Btw, what about christians and other non-Muslim minorities? Are they allowed to vote?Recommend

  • نائلہ

    .Thanks yes other minorities are allowed to voteRecommend

  • Ammar Adnan

    Agree or not, the situation in N.W and adjoining areas just depict another case of neglection. You have all sorts of people in all walks of life, you have culprits and criminals in all sorts of trade.You are living the dream of living in a peaceful manner by bombardment of property and displacing millions and still you believe you’l be able to achieve this goal, you are living in a fools paradise. Hey wait! where does ISIL/ISIS come from? oh mercenaries who volunteered when Islamists winning polls in Egypt, Algeria, Palestine etc etc with a a clear majority were denied their very democratic right and were severely tortured , murdered and jailed for their entire lives.
    For me this is the actual cause and this is the path to cure, any other way willgo astray. You keep dictating people, you fund killing millions , destroying economies, mock religious people like Prophets and you will come across all that is happening around you. First it was Afghanistan , then came Iraq and now as far as you go across the globe, their is infighting, war and terror every where. So you see you are heading in the wrong direction that will ultimately lead to more chaos, destruction and hatred!Recommend

  • Ammar Adnan

    That is how it goes, for all the Muslim across the globe Ahmadis are non-muslims and so they are supposed to mark that particular option in the afore mentioned form.Recommend

  • Ammar Adnan

    @neha: sorry for intervening but your understanding of the subject needs a clarification.The Law does not disapproves of any minority/ ethnic group rather it defines the difference between a Muslim and a non-Muslim, that is to say that you have to have a faith in Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) and him being the last messenger of Allah and that is what is required on the election form, tell you what;the first foreign minister of Pakistan was an ahmadi by the name Muhammad Zafarullah Khan, so you see its nothing but making a non-issue an issue!Recommend

  • Ammar Adnan

    when did you last visit a madrassah? probably never! what about the enlightened and informed lot from military schools, Cambridge and Oxford whose sole agenda is to dwell and feast on others resources, topple governments, spy on officials from other counties; even friends, fund militancy and unrest and do what ever it takes to swell corporate business, never heard you condemn them!Recommend

  • Ammar Adnan

    well we need not to, the Muslims in India are already feeling the heat, the hatred and loathing is already on the rise, the BJP and its militant wings have already started targeting and this is what majority of them are good at: rape foreigners, college girls, kill innocents, fund extremists; welcome to Chamkta Damakta BharatRecommend