Is it a crime in Pakistan for a boy to drop a girl home?

Published: March 6, 2014

What right does any law enforcement member have to question your relation if you're not violating any code of decency?

A few days ago, as a friend was dropping me back home after dinner; we were pulled aside by the cops on main Khayaban-e-Shahbaz road in Defence, Karachi.

No dark corner or shady alley but while driving smack in the middle of a bustling road. While we pulled over the car, the men in uniform, (who in all likelihood belonged to the Darakshan police station since the area falls under that jurisdiction) asked my friend to get out of the car. As expected, he was asked to produce the required ‘kaaghzaat’ and give details of our whereabouts. Upon inspection and failing to find any reason to grill him further on the paperwork, he decided to focus his attention on the nature of our relationship.

“Yeh kaun hain aap ki?” one of them questioned in an authoritative voice.

(How are you related to this girl?)

“Dost hain ji meri”

(She is a friend)

Aap ko pata hay na Defence aur Clifton mein yeh ijaazat nahe hay.” he thundered.

(You do know that this is not allowed in Defence or Clifton.)

My friend who was completely baffled by this point retorted,

Kis cheez ki ijaazat nahe hay?”

(What exactly is not allowed?)

The second cop who had been silently observing until now, probably figured that they would have fared better if they had picked out their ‘targets’ a little younger and a tad more naïve. Both of us were ready to go to the police station with them until they could prove what exactly it was that we were doing wrong. And that was clearly not part of their plan.

Agar police se ziyada zabaan chalai na toh section 294 laga dain gay,” he added as one last attempt to warm his pockets for the night.

(If you argue with the police unnecessarily we will charge you under section 294)

Seeing our refusal to budge or pay, they eventually decided we were too much effort and let us go.

As soon as my senses settled down and had time to process what just happened, I hastily began to Google section 294. For those of you who do not know, section 294 of the Pakistan Penal Code (PPC) entails the following:

“294. Obscene acts and songs:

Whoever, to the annoyance of others,

(a) does any obscene act in any public place, or

(b) sings, recites or utters any obscene songs, ballad or words, in or near any public place, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three months, or with fine, or with both.”

I paused for a minute to mentally kick myself for laughing at a rumour about music being banned in public vehicles a couple of weeks ago. Suddenly, nothing seemed absurd enough to fall outside the realm of reality. I did not even attempt to delve into the mechanics of what constitutes as ‘obscene’ and who decides that, since the whole incident had bypassed reason and logic several minutes ago.

While I was still fuming with anger and going over the predictable rhetorical adult arguments in my head:

“What if he was my brother? We did not break any traffic laws, so why did they stop the car in the first place? What right did they have to stop and question us like that without any proof?”

I realised that the actual question here was:

“So what if he was NOT my brother? What right does any law enforcement member have to question your relation or motives if you are not violating any law or code of decency? Were a boy, a girl and a car enough evidence to turn someone into a suspect? How could morality, propriety and piety be judged based on a piece of paper?”

But, apparently it is not even a piece of paper that these guardians of law are looking for. As I narrated this incident to a friend, she told me that the same thing happened to her a few weeks ago as she was going back home with her husband. Only this time, the cops outrightly demanded to see the ‘bottle’.

“I showed them my wedding ring instead,” she said with a resigned smile.

Going back to the night, my friend and I drove the rest of the way in silence. As I was getting off the car, he said,

“You know when I got mugged last week, a police mobile was parked just at the end of that street. I didn’t think much of it then but now…”

He didn’t need to finish off his thought. The irony of the situation was not lost on either of us.

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Sarah.Munir

Sarah Munir

A graduate from the Columbia Journalism School and is currently heading the Magazine Desk at The Express Tribune. She tweets @SarahMunir1 (twitter.com/SarahMunir1)

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Javeria

    Curse to such PolicemenRecommend

  • Deems

    Islamic Republic Of Pakistan..Recommend

  • Alvi

    This is insane! So many of us have been harassed on the streets like this. I am glad someone wrote about it.Recommend

  • Tariq Bhatty

    Hi sarah munir. Nice article, but its ‘as I was getting out of the car’ as opposed to getting off the car’, that is hnless you were sitting on the roof.Recommend

  • ather

    first in the narration is pathetic as though written by a toddler…kindly improve your standards,it is ok if i am an avg writer but newspapers gota be betterRecommend

  • ather

    this is common in karachi………i come to pakistan once every 3 months, and as i am a night dweller, i interact with these morons often, i studied their patterns and now what i do is avoid those streets wheare they stand late at night. ok as of my last remembrance, i recall, i was coming back from mc donalds c view approx 3 pm..first cop stops and asks for docs and i give him ery thing, and then he makes sure cars mine, i assure him with papers. then he needs kharcha pani, late 3 pm out of frustration with 200 lying on the table had my mc cofee, so feeling pity i said aaj nai hai lol….. another fool was like sir aap kaise hai and didnt ask for papers just asked for kharcha pani and tried his level best, he was a young lad, and i repeated the same thing…..lol this is the situation of the country..late night i have several encounters with cops, over the years i learnt u gota be calm and cooperative and they let u go, the moment u say ke mai ye hon aur woh hoon aur app aisa nai ker sakte……ur in for a long conversation….so keep calm and move onn. well as for the chai pani culture still hasent gone from khi…we should also learn they are there for our own good..Recommend

  • Lt Col Imtiaz Alam(retd)

    The act of the Police was out of their gambit as no Law was broken. This matter must be pursued & taken to its logical end so that others are not harassed. Now coming to the other aspect whether in Islam you can go around with people who are not your Mehram’s. The answer is in the “Negative”. You cannot go around with people who are not your Mehram’s. This is an Islamic Social Code. Why don’t you Google & find out. And Allah knows best.Recommend

  • Sadia

    you are joking right?Recommend

  • Omair Shahid

    i agree as long as you have all the documents and have not broken any law they are cannot do any thing to you like ather said you have to be calm & cooperative and they will let you go because they have have a reason.Recommend

  • Noman Ansari

    If you had just told him you were a jurno and were going to investigate this he would have soiled his uniform.Recommend

  • [email protected]

    A: I think you mean “ambit”, not gambit! B: Please take your regressive social mores elsewhere. I and others are not bound by your version of Islamic social customs. As adults, we can decide on our own private behavior and on how religious we want it to be, so long as no public nuisance is created.Recommend

  • [email protected]

    Seriously rolling my eyes…. Recommend

  • Multani

    No, this not insane. The author is not living in a free society. Living in a very corrupt and lawless metropolis. Should thank her stars.The state does not have it’s writ,..ANYWHERE. Was very lucky
    to leave unscathed. Same thing happened in Lahore. Some months ago. 3 university friends sharing a ride home. Cops even claimed they
    saw the girl kissing one of the guys. Shared on a blog in these very pages.” Badshao…” [look up archives of this newspaper,.... if any.]
    The police are hated. Just about everywhere. They are hoodlums.
    Aiding and abetting criminals in all kinds of nefarious deals. From kidnapping
    to extortion and everything in between.Recommend

  • Shahzain

    Col sb, why is it that this swelling sense of piety that you and others have started brandishing in the last 40 years have resulted in negative correlation for all our economic and social indicators?Recommend

  • Tariq Jamil

    i think u need to be a bit more aggressive being a journalist. I know its wrong but i abuse my press card in such cases. get in their face and tell them “do you know who i am”. if this doesn’t work out, just tell them: “do you think you know more than me?”

    sorry but this is how it works in pakilandRecommend

  • Tariq Jamil

    i think u need to be a bit more aggressive being a journalist. I know its wrong but i abuse my press card in such cases. get in their face and tell them “do you know who i am”. if this doesn’t work out, just tell them: “do you think you know more than me?”

    sorry but this is how it works in pakilandRecommend

  • Tariq Jamil

    i think u need to be a bit more aggressive being a journalist. I know its wrong but i abuse my press card in such cases. get in their face and tell them “do you know who i am”. if this doesn’t work out, just tell them: “do you think you know more than me?”

    sorry but this is how it works in pakilandRecommend

  • Ali

    for our own good?… what good have these thankless pathetic props of the city done for us? they are no good crooks camouflaged as “security officials”. They cant even provide themselves security let alone to the city. The only people they provide security to are the politicians. We praise them as our soldiers and talk about their meaningless sacrifices. They are nothing but filth of our society, corrupting it further. Being an officer in other countries is an honor. Look at the faces of our bribe infested officers.Recommend

  • Mukhtaran

    They were doing just their duty. What is the boy might be talking a girl to a place where the girl gets raped by lots of men. Then this liberal class would rant about insecurity & women getting raped.Recommend

  • Mukhtaran

    They were doing just their duty. What is the boy might be talking a girl to a place where the girl gets raped by lots of men. Then this liberal class would rant about insecurity & women getting raped.Recommend

  • Mukhtaran

    They were doing just their duty. What is the boy might be talking a girl to a place where the girl gets raped by lots of men. Then this liberal class would rant about insecurity & women getting raped.Recommend

  • gp65

    Huh? Doing their duty stoping a random couple an dtrying to shake them down?
    The second part about the man trying to take the woman to a place where she wuold be gangraped is absurd. Are you saying that any woman traveling with a man in a car is a potential gang rape candidate?Recommend

  • Noman Ansari

    ..but newspapers gota be betterRecommend

  • Citizen

    Yeah this is exactly the point. When such incidents of Rape happen, people just like this author, claim that it was a negligence on part of the police as they did not implemented ‘proper measures’.Recommend

  • Sceptic

    How did you guess that the blogger is Muslim or interested in practising her religion in public? Let us keep our religion to out homes.Recommend

  • http://www.mmabbasi.com/ Mohammed Abbasi

    I think this needs to legally pursued and the policemullahs punishedRecommend

  • armughan

    You have to be very smart with these people and never friendly. And never ever sympathize with these people. These men in uniform are the ones who couldn’t achieve anything in life so tried their luck in police which is very easy to get. They have zero morals and ethical values and can blackmail you at anytime , anywhere. Please avoid taking the matter to the police station at any cost, because their main kingpin is sitting right there and they can come up with ridiculous reasons to throw u in jail for the night with an FIR under your name. FIR is a criminal record, say Tata to all your international visas then (if you still manage to live with it). There are many people who floats the idea of going thru the legal way, but that only works when u have a perfect court of law which is also another issue right here. So one needs to be really smart and just have an attitude of “kaam say kaam rakhna” with them.Recommend

  • Sarfaraz

    This is omnipresent, even in the United States – should not be of concern to talk about it. Seems like writers of Tribune need just about any story to fill up the sections.Recommend

  • Sarfaraz Abbasi

    Don’t mind her! She seemed hasty to write and show us her storyRecommend

  • Qaiser Habib

    2 parallel laws in pakistan, one for the resourceful other for the middle man; just give some money and every thing will work out fine.Recommend

  • Ali Zaid

    thats why no one mourns when a tullaa (or any police personnel) is killed!
    It is so heartening for all the Police-Gardee victims!Recommend

  • Human

    yup . kind of fedup or want to bash them upRecommend

  • Human

    yup . kind of fedup or want to bash them upRecommend

  • Majid Ur Rehman

    In my childhood, in Lahore, somewhere in early 90′s, I saw a couplle riding public mini van on the rout of canal bank from Punjab university point. Both were lookin students due to the loads of books and files in their hands. They sat together and then both dropped at another point. I was seeing them. After dropping, they walked for a few moments and then boy waved his hands and girl noded/ waved a bit and then both turned towards opposite directions. Boy came back to the stop and girl went on inside the colony. Boy was wearing a very simple shalwar qameez. I could see respect in his eyes. And the girl was looking very confident in his company. That scene and respect in boys’ eyes, his simpleness and girl’s confidence in his company is still engraved in my mind. Surprisingly I did not see such moment later in my life!Recommend

  • Majid Ur Rehman

    In my childhood, in Lahore, somewhere in early 90′s, I saw a couplle riding public mini van on the rout of canal bank from Punjab university point. Both were lookin students due to the loads of books and files in their hands. They sat together and then both dropped at another point. I was seeing them. After dropping, they walked for a few moments and then boy waved his hands and girl noded/ waved a bit and then both turned towards opposite directions. Boy came back to the stop and girl went on inside the colony. Boy was wearing a very simple shalwar qameez. I could see respect in his eyes. And the girl was looking very confident in his company. That scene and respect in boys’ eyes, his simpleness and girl’s confidence in his company is still engraved in my mind. Surprisingly I did not see such moment later in my life!Recommend

  • human

    basic issue here is harrasment
    as they want to get paid
    thats all
    they dont care when there is a crime going on
    these cops shoud goRecommend

  • human

    basic issue here is harrasment
    as they want to get paid
    thats all
    they dont care when there is a crime going on
    these cops shoud goRecommend

  • paki

    The Police does have the power to stop you, question you and even detain you without arrest. The issue is they are not properly trained and are not interested in policing. If they were Defence would not have so much crime and in the context of sexual crime so many brothels.Recommend

  • paki

    The Police does have the power to stop you, question you and even detain you without arrest. The issue is they are not properly trained and are not interested in policing. If they were Defence would not have so much crime and in the context of sexual crime so many brothels.Recommend

  • Fahad

    Police here can implicate anyone into anything, they just need a reason be it a missing document of your car or being caught with a na-mehram be it your cousin , fiancee or classmate. Some of them have zero morals, they can even take an oath that they saw you doing something which you cannot even think of. Unless you have a legal stance never ever mess with them. They dont take explanations, they follow this principle “if you cannot show the documents of your car , its definitely stolen.” My advise always be on guard. if you think you may get into trouble call your parents and inform them about your whereabouts and situation. Think logically, stay calm and try to sort it out with ease. And please Don’t act like Umar Akmal !Recommend

  • Fahad

    Police here can implicate anyone into anything, they just need a reason be it a missing document of your car or being caught with a na-mehram be it your cousin , fiancee or classmate. Some of them have zero morals, they can even take an oath that they saw you doing something which you cannot even think of. Unless you have a legal stance never ever mess with them. They dont take explanations, they follow this principle “if you cannot show the documents of your car , its definitely stolen.” My advise always be on guard. if you think you may get into trouble call your parents and inform them about your whereabouts and situation. Think logically, stay calm and try to sort it out with ease. And please Don’t act like Umar Akmal !Recommend

  • Noman Ansari

    to hasty?Recommend

  • Parvez

    The answer lies in depoliticising the police and then ensuring that they deliver…….. no harm in dreaming.Recommend

  • Sane

    Such incidents shall remain unchecked till criminals are appointed in police due to political affiliation. To whom to complaint, lower and higher ranks are same.Recommend

  • Sane

    This not a novel or piec of classis writingRecommend

  • baig

    Well it is not Islam’s problem that you are not following Islam!!Recommend

  • Layth

    If this girl is not a muslim then it don’t matter who she is with. But the point is abuse of women is rife in pak. They are abused at home with poor parenting and in majority cases learn the secular way of life. Outside they are confused as no coaching has been given to them how to interact with the opposite Gender.
    Prophet Muhammed saw said ” address men with harshness who are not your mahram (if you have to address them or remain quiet). The prohet saw also said. when there is a man and a woman in seclusion then the third is Shaitaan. Whoever says on this forum lets leave religion at home is an idiot and has no perception of what islam demands of us. Ask the same person what if that woman was your sister and that man in the car was his best mate. watch him change. he would be ready to even kill you. Double standards, poor islamic knowledge and blindly following the west is the fruits of democrasy that we have in Pak today. Sadly the alternative is TTP who are the other extreme. May Allah give us leaders who have true understanding of Islam. Ameen.Recommend

  • Anjum Hameed

    Exactly how is anyone not following Islam here?..Recommend

  • Anjum Hameed

    Well, well, Col Sahib…tell me, when your wife/daughter/sister were being driven around town by the driver that was hired to drive your car, was he a Mehram?..did you adopt the man first?..oh, I just remembered, adoption is not allowed in Islam..so then was he bound by a nikah to become a Mehram? Don’t discuss your personal Islamic code and call it a universal code..I don’t need to google your personal thoughts..Recommend

  • Nasratullah kenagzai

    Sorry Sir you may not be an “approved” patriotic Pakistani bcoz we here dont criticize our very brave cops/soldiers of Allah,what ever they did, do and will do. It is against the idealogy of our beloved country. We been told and preached that only admire them for all their deeds even illdeeds.Recommend

  • Umar Farooq

    Col sb you areright. When the rape incidents and other such bad incidents happen then these people say where was policeRecommend

  • Umar Farooq

    Today people feel proud that they are liberals
    Recommend

  • Tariq Bhatty

    I didn’t laugh when I said it. Your English probably needs correcting too. I was just pointing out a common flaw in the pakistani approach to the English language. It’s not ‘getting off the car’. And if you really like jokes, I suggest you use that phrase out and about In the uk or USA. See how many people laugh.Recommend

  • Lt Col Imtiaz Alam(retd)

    When they move around they are Modestly dressed and always with a Mehram. It is nothing very difficult but relates to your attitude & the state of your mind.Recommend

  • Sahrish Ahmad Gul

    Let me bring something to your kind notice sir, research has shown that rape is not a hot-blooedd crime. It is mostly calculated and done as a revenge or establish authority over the other party. It does not happen when you ride along with one of your trusted friends in a car, and he gets turned on all of a sudden and lose his senses.Recommend

  • Fahad Mustafa

    Religion is not something to be kept at home. Islam should be implemented all 4 corners of this country If it was got on the name of Islam.Recommend

  • Fahad Mustafa

    Dear Miss Author, The way Police conducted this matter was wrong but alao let me say that If you are a muslim, How can you travel with na-mehram man ? Recommend

  • Lucid

    its UK not uk. Always remember to use capital letters for ‘Proper Nouns’.Thankyou.Recommend

  • http://peddarowdy.wordpress.com/ Anoop

    Isn’t gender segregation a major part of most of the Islamic republics in the world?

    In that case this perfectly fits in with the narrative of the Muslim world n hence he majority religion followed there.Recommend

  • Jibs

    Hear hearRecommend

  • JayMankind

    @baig, do you know if Islam allows you to use the internet?Recommend

  • JayMankind

    @ltcolimtiazalamretd:disqus, After the age of retirement anybody can make “holier than thou” statements.Recommend

  • Pappu

    When NOBODY out of 7 billion humans wants to follow Islam ( is not following Islam), then there is definitely huge problem with Islam.Recommend

  • Lt Col Imtiaz Alam(retd)

    It is never too late to make amends. His Doors are always open to Taubah.Recommend

  • Lt Col Imtiaz Alam(retd)

    What if he slam you in the Dunk for the night. Be cool & use our head.Recommend

  • Amzee

    ^ LOL…adoption is not allowed in Islam? Wow. Someone lacks knowledge of Islam.Recommend

  • amzzzeeee

    Adoption is not allowed in Islam? Where in the world did you here that?Recommend

  • Mehdi

    Yes purgatory is waiting for you with an open arm :) if god chooses not to listen to your, where would you find yourself ?Recommend

  • reader
  • reader

    U were sitting in a car with a NAMEHRAM…I am sure it must be crime in Ismaic Republic of Pakistan if not a crime than we all know how morally wrong it according to Islam….ALHARAM!!Recommend

  • Leila Rage

    In lovely old Pakistan, the land of hypocrisy and bigotry, the police always harass men behaving NORMALLY with women and interacting with them respectfully or innocently. But if a man is harassing a woman, or worse assaulting her, the turn a blind eye always. If they really cared about “protecting” women, the’d be doing their jobs properly, not abusing power over women who come to register FIRs or letting rapist roam free and happy.Recommend

  • Leila Rage

    What is “Un-Islamic” about a young man behaving with respect and nobility, by dropping a female friend home? It would be un-Islamic if his intentions were ignoble, or if he treated her without dignity or if he harassed her and behaved immodestly. He did none of these things. I do not see the problem here. Allah does indeed know best, and I am certain He knows that men are capable of self-control and human goodness. Allah is the best judge- why must we, flawed human beings that we are, assume the role of doling out judgement and pretending to have access to Allah’s knowledge and thoughts? This may shock you, but mehrams are just as capable of harassment and assault as anyone else.Recommend

  • hadi

    I am laughing at you fools commenting below… Lt col imtiaz wrote a satire. It is not to be taken literally!!Recommend

  • Midhat

    Stop trolling and the hate already! why bring islam into everything. Look at the rape cases in India.. Its the mindset of the uneducated, chauvinist and regressive people that leads to such problems. The Cops looking for bribe clearly didnt stop them out of their love for Islam..Recommend

  • graham goon

    Today people feel proud to be ignorants.Recommend

  • Nobody

    Yes, because every guy in a car alone with a girl will rape her and the only reason rape is a problem is because these shameless hooligan girls and boys are running around together. Gender segregation is key to stopping rape, henna? Rape NEVER happens in wonderful utopia’s like Saudi Arabia.Recommend

  • Nobody

    No sir women get raped because some men think they are entitled to a woman’s body, have no fear of consequences, have no respect for women in general and/or assume said woman “brought it on herself” by being in public, without a mehram. Women are not raped because of WOMEN. Way to blame the victim.Recommend

  • logicwins

    Of course it should be a crime. Isn’t Pakistan an Islamic republic with its constitution stipulating that Islamic laws and practices be strictly adhered to? It is a crime according to Islamic laws for a woman to be with a man who is not her mahram?Recommend

  • reader

    she was sitting in a car with a NAMEHRAM…I am sure it must be crime in Ismaic Republic of Pakistan if not a crime than we all know how morally wrong it according to Islam….ALHARAM!!Recommend

  • x

    “This may shock you, but mehrams are just as capable of harassment and assault as anyone else.”

    Best comment. Exactly my thoughts.Recommend

  • x

    I am an adult and a Muslim. If i’m going out with a guy who is a boyfriend, not just a friend, and we go to his place and even if we have physical relations and the guy rapes me even though I do not want to go that far, even then, it is rape. And I would expect the police not to be there but take action against the individual who did this. And most cases of rape occur when men rape random women out of lust or power high and a lottt more rape takes place as incest when mehrams rape their women. So please, don’t even start on the police ‘doing their duty’ by harassing a guy and a girl in a car. If the girl is ok with being the guy, na mehram, boyfriend, father, husband, whatever, then it is none of their business. Pakistan is not an islamic republic and do these moral police hound people who dont pray five times a day or give zakat or give corruption (and corruption and bribery btw is a huge sin in Islam). Recommend

  • Ganja

    My Attitude and State of mind changes when i am close to a girl.Recommend

  • Gappi

    Adoption was banned after Prophet of Islam married Zainab bint Jahsh ( his adopted son Zaid’s wife). Recommend

  • Syed Owais Mukhtar

    I say a good step by law enforcements, lets not criticize everything,Recommend

  • Guest

    This is absolutely pathetic. Prosperity my ass.Recommend

  • Fayz

    Police did the right thing to stop you. They did their job in stopping a potential rape. Fine if your “na-mehram” friend was the one you trusted, but the police did not know. They could have thought that you might have been under pressure (kidnapped) to get in the guy’s car, so it is their job to check everyone who looks suspicious. Not everyone gets stopped every time. Pakistan police is the not trained in their police academies, they get trained with their experience, and they can easily judge person by looking at him. Your friend could have got nervous while confronting the police, hence they asked him to come out of the car and abruptly told him “iss chez ki ijazat nahi hai”. They let you go without taking any bribe, because they figured out that spending anymore time with you two is a waste of time for them……………..Recommend

  • Sonia K

    you are absolutely right….. she was sitting with a NAMEHRAM….. most women walk past NAMEHRAMS on roads, deal with them when buying groceries and also work with them at offices. Pakistan is like just any other country… just some people cant see it that way! Open your eyes and ears! it is not HARAM but not permissible to be, and I quote, TOGETHER WITH A NAMEHRAM IN A PLACE WHERE THERE ARE CHANCES OF EMOTIONS RUNNING WILD. That is the most layman language I could come up with coz most people don’t simply understand the sophisticated version.

    So technically she wasn’t in that condition…Recommend

  • Sonia K

    The article shows a rise in obscenity in the DHA and Clifton area….. the police wouldnt be patrolling and getting a chance to mug people as most people like to put it…. but if 2nd degree people also have had similar experiences…. most probably the prostitution rate has increased.
    Most late night parties in DHA and Clifton end up in boy girl going outs and doing stuff….. and sometimes getting into trouble…..

    The blog is somewhat bothersome …… poverty is pushing people to ……. I hope the meaning is not lost!Recommend

  • Sonia K

    Sorry to say but all 4 corners of the country are not Islamic….. you have many firqas and non-Muslims….. how dare you impose Islam on non-Muslims? Allah didn’t impose it on you or anyone….. who gave you the right to impose it on another human being let alone 4 corners of Pakistan!!!!

    As far as practicing goes…. to each his own practice…. Allah doesn’t demand collective practice …. except in some instances….. wear your own type of dress….. speak your on language…. dont backbite someone you dont like…. its always personal practice first!Recommend

  • Sonia K

    Then women should not go out in rickshas and taxis, talk and walk in groceries and they should definitely stop working and studying….. coz everyone is a NAMEHRAMRecommend

  • lorraine

    Surely no-one thinks it would have been better for the young man to leave the woman to catch public transport home, instead of driving her safely home?Recommend

  • Umar Farooq

    Practicing Islam doesn’t means that you have to impose islam on non-muslims. Practicing islam means that your laws should be according to islam.Recommend

  • Umar Farooq

    very funny
    @graham goon today the people who are saying it is not good to have any kind of unislamic relationship between male and female are ignorants and the others supporting it are wise and modern.
    Definition of “ignorant” is reversed nowRecommend

  • Umar Farooq

    This is also true but in many cases male friend take her female friend to his home promising that he wants to meet you with his parents but they take her to some other place . There are many cases like thisRecommend

  • Lt Col Imtiaz Alam(retd)

    Unless it is absolutely necessary.They should be modestly dressed & if a Mehram is not available then another lady companion would be appropriate. You cannot equate it with the incident above where she was moving around late at night with a friend.Recommend

  • Sahrish Ahmad Gul

    Then again we have examples of men raping their own wives. And, incest is even frequent than we would like to believe.

    There are always signs of potential danger. The solution here is mindful of those signs; to be wise, and stay away from people who could potentially cause us harm. That list could include even blood relatives. And that list could also exclude friends who mean nothing but to drop us safely home.Recommend

  • Sonia K

    First practice Islam daily on a personal basis… then try putting them into laws!
    There is nothing wrong with the Islamic laws…. how about not breaking that signal or driving on the wrong side of the road…. personal practice first. ….Recommend

  • Sonia K

    Sorry to disappoint you Sir, but it is the same. Pakistan is no more a place where ‘everyone’ has time for everyone. .. exemplary ‘wailay’ ..
    .many people work with the clock…. they have set time and schedules…. 9-5 jobs… men and women… and increasingly women since they are climbing the corporate ladders day by day….. so working late or working beyond 5 is normal to meet deadlines. …. can you think of a companion ‘woman’ who might be accompanying such a woman at night…. unless she has her own car and a driver……. another NAMEHRAM…. she is again in the clutches of society. …… if she drives and gets stuck somewhere coz of gas or a punctured tyre….. would that be appropriate at night…..
    Sir just because you THINK there can be problems…. you cannot hamper someone’s success. You need to understand that. We just need to TRUST our own ‘tarbiyat’ of a child. We cannot dictate their lives!Recommend

  • Sonia K

    Thanks for pointing that out…. but its not a common mistake…..
    Most people don’t use ‘off’ for cars…. maybe its more of a slang in some circles. ..Recommend

  • Umar Farooq

    But the chances are still there that a male friend can do that. You cannot deny this.Recommend