At NUST: Fined for ‘wearing tight’ or no ‘dopatta’

By Syed Nadir El Edroos Published: September 25, 2013

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As its contribution towards disciplining the youth of this country, the National University of Sciences and Technology (Nust) imposes fines on students for breaking their dress code.

In their haste to fine students for wearing jeans and not wearing a dupatta they overlook something called grammar. No one is perfect, but when one is running an institution of higher learning perhaps one should have higher expectations. However, I digress.

According to dawn.com, Nust has denied the report and stated only that students are instructed to wear ‘decent’ dresses. The fact, however, remains is that this isn’t the first time students have been fined at Nust or other similar higher educational institutions and this surely won’t be the last time.

If there was ever an illustration of why our educational system is failing, the picture above speaks a thousand words. The lazy assumption that regimentation, discipline and uniformity makes one educated died a mournless death back in the early 20^th century. Individuals associated with the military, bureaucracy or civil service who then venture into the education sector impose what they know to be the best system – or at the very least what they believe works best for themselves.

This top down, administration pleasing approach to education is of little service to the students themselves. Rather than situating teachers as the centre of academic learning, students face the red tape and bureaucracy of administrators who arrive at these positions with little or no background in formal education.

This patronising and condescending attitude of educational institutions towards their students which assumes that adults are unable to make good choices for themselves does little to help young adults mature and broaden their exposure if they continue to be treated as if they are in school. While an 18-year-old can join the military, drive a car, obtain a pilot licence, Nust believes that a 22-year-old must conform to an individual administrator’s whims of what is and what is not proper.

However, should any of us be surprised that an institution of higher learning enforces a dress code and treats it as a disciplinary issue?

When the picture of the notification went viral, the obligatory commentary on how we are an Islamic country and women (in particular) should observe “proper dress”, followed. Somehow our culture and society is hotwired to view any woman who makes choices that essentially impact her, a public matter.

Are all the men present in Nust unable to avert their gaze if they are offended by a woman not wearing a duppata? Can the concerned instructer keep his personal world view a private matter and not impose it over an entire community of learners?

Hypocritically, while the youth of the country who end up at such institutions need to be disciplined and regimented, the sons and daughters of the very same administrators who end up running these institutions, attend the undisciplined universities abroad.

The vigour with which such rules are enforced is sadly not met with the same enthusiasm when substantive issues regarding teaching and student welfare hit the headlines. When allegations of rape were made in another institution that enforces a dress code; International Islamic University, the dean at the time commented that to protect the institutions honour the case should be hushed up. When a teacher and some students protested against the administration of Bahria University the administrators called in naval intelligence to keep tabs on the demonstrators. A retired Brigadier assaulted a lecturer in National University of Modern Languages (NUML) and he was made to apologise for “inflaming the emotions” of the retired officer.

When all else fails the following argument is offered:

If the students are unhappy they can leave.

What a shameful fall back. Higher education, or indeed any form of education should be about inclusiveness, reducing barriers and encouraging individualism. These institutions are subsidised by the tax payer, receive state land at a subsidised rate. To say, students should have to leave an institution of higher learning because of the clothes they wear does not conform to the administration’s world view shows how warped our idea of what education is and should be actually is.

Why is it then that students and parents put up with this? Do parents believe that their son or daughter in their early 20s needs to be treated in a university as if they are in school? Do students accept these norms because they have been socialised to believe that being told what to wear as an adult is acceptable?

Perhaps what is most frightening: do the administrators at Nust believe that such rules actually equate to an education? That is the question that we must all consider. If we think it does, then perhaps someone should send an email to all the universities currently ranked higher than Nust, as they have definitely missed a trick.

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Syed Nadir El Edroos

Nadir teaches Economics at Bellerbys College, London and is interested in Pakistani politics and current affairs. He tweets @needroos (twitter.com/needroos)

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Anonymous

Dupatta is an urdu word so there is no ‘correct’ spelling in english. Dopatta or Dupatta…po-ta-to po-ta-toRecommend
Aqib Bhatti

THis article is totally absurd. Such a naive article should not have been published. 1000′s of girld wear jeand in NUST. THis is just a social media trick.Recommend
Vegabound

I loathe all those people with good grammar who underscore grammatical mistakes of others. In this article if there is anything which could be considered irrelevant, then it is what was mentioned in the first paragraph with which you digressed in the latter part of it.

I dont want to sound as an apologist for whoever finned that girl for not wearing dupatta, I would like to know how by wearing and not wearing dupatta it encourages individualism as referred in the article.Recommend
disqus_MiFbNPwiCU

Out of all the things happening in Pakistan this is the trivial news you find to write about? Speaks volumes of your degree in Global politics.
Plus, are you even a graduate of NUST? Unless you were, I don’t see why you have the right to comment upon it because in such a case NUST’s rules have nothing to do with your business.Recommend
Silver lining

Atleast smoking has the highest fine …Recommend
Sane

NUST is a Pakistani institution not a UK or USA one. Here in Pakistan social dynamics are different. We have different values and social standards. This does not match with those in UK, USA or other western countries. If students are penalized for not wearing dupatta or wearing tights, I think this is very just and reciprocates to our society norms. Educational institution must be considered for education only not, for showing your body and dresses. Such dresses also distract students from what they have been admitted for.

Education is not just learning information and knowledge, this must also inculcate and infuse manners and decency.Recommend
Anonymous Faculty

I am a faculty member at NUST, and let me clarify something here. The faculty has no part in this decision by the administration. This is a matter stirred up by the administration. The faculty, as far as I know, is least bothered about what dress any student wears. These fines and office orders are an embarrassment to us.Recommend
Mj

“This patronising and condescending attitude of educational institutions towards their students which assumes that adults are unable to make good choices for themselves does little to help young adults mature and broaden their exposure if they continue to be treated as if they are in school. While an 18-year-old can join the military, drive a car, obtain a pilot licence, Nust believes that a 22-year-old must conform to an individual administrator’s whims of what is and what is not proper.”

That is all that needs to be said. Students are treated like children and made to obey and conform. Why should it surprise us later when the same students, after completion of studies, are unable to think for themselves and come up with creative ideas.Recommend
Striver

TO BARE OR NOT TO BARE THAT IS THE QUESTION. NUST needs to define what is descent. When these students joined the university I am sure they were made aware of the dress code. Perhaps defining what they consider “descent” would be helpful.
Every educational institute has the right to impose a dress code. Imagine if a girl in a european university walks in with only a bikini on on a hot summers day. I am sure she would be told to wrap up or be removed from the premises. The point is every society has a dress code. So lets not try to be more liberal then the liberal.

If a dress code is imposed in Pakistan’s educational institutions then it should be imposed with very clear guidelines for the students and parents.

Further, I do not see the link between codes of dress and the link between standards of education in Pakistan. Please enlighten me.

Self-criticism and “nit-picking” is our national pass time lets be constructive with it.Recommend
Imran

That’s a university’s prerogative to administer a dress code. People are not forced into taking admission at NUST & they know about this before before joining classes. So, why creat so much fuss about a matter that is internal to an entity? You have a problem with that? Dont go to NUST, join some other LIBERAL college & dress or undress how you feel comfortableRecommend
Hasan

Zia-ul-Haq does not die.Recommend
Ahmad Hashmi

This is not only the NUST where such rules are applied but in many institutions across the globle. Even at places where you can’t expect them neither it makes any sense. For instance, if you want to watch a high end burlesque or similar sort of show, you won’t be allowed to enter if you are not wearing formal clothing. There are airlines that refuse business class to passengers who are in jeans or casual dressing. And in the end, there are restaurants cum clubs where a woman is denied entrance with a covered head. Besides, the rest are rules to maintain discipline and should be respected.Recommend
Hasan

What are “Pakistani” values and who decides what they are? Establishment? Like everything else they decide?Recommend
Hasan

NUST is a publically funded organisation.
All members of publics have right to comment. Who are you to tell them they
have no right?Recommend
Farzan.S

Ironic that this guy, who starts off the article by pointing out grammar mistakes, makes a grammatical error in this very article:

“early 20s needs to be treated in a university as if they in school?”

a proud NUSTian.Recommend
Zaheer

I don’t know what is so wrong in obeying a decent dress code!Recommend
SNJ

Impose Hijab/Dopatta in Pak in the name of dress code but then don’t cry when west ask your women to not use hijab as per their dress code.Recommend
Waqas

These articles are just exaggerating the situation and the mostly crying people are from NBS. When dress code for business school students are formal then why at the first place these students are violating these rules?

Besides those black sheeps our bloggers are making so much fuss over these rules when in Pakistan we have more important issues to worry about? e.g. Attack in Peshawar, Earth quake in Balochistan etc

Many of those who are posting/tweeting against #NUST couldn’t even pass NUST’s Entry Test and even if they did they dont know how to follow certain rules. No body force them, all these rules are stated in SOP’s which every NUSTian signs when gets admission.

P.S: We NUSTIANS honor the rules of our UniversityRecommend
Keen Observer

Suuure! let them ban our scarves and burqas but ban the dupatta and jeans in our institutions – oh no!
Please stop blowing things out of proportion :) Being an institution they have all the rright to implement a dress code and punish those who don’t follow. Schools have them, lots of foreign universities i know explicitly state ‘no short skirts’ so why is this such a big problem?Recommend
NUSTian

He has just carried a picture from social media. He don’t even know the background of the story and full context.Recommend
WhoWasThatMaskedMan

Those who find this trivial matter, must go read ‘important’ things. There are different writers, different ideas appeal them, and all readers don’t want to read about other ‘important’ matters all the time.Recommend
Salman

For all those out there, who think this is a trivial issue, are clearly unaware of how social dynamics and they have no idea how society functions. A higher educational institute in this country is fining students for wearing specific clothes; how do you think intellectual abilities will foster in such an environment? They are simply not giving enough room to students. These institutions will develop Taliban more dangerous than those out there in the mountains; Yes, Taliban are not only the bad guys with beards, it is a mentality, a mentality that our society is developing through its ill notion of making “good moral citizens”. This institution is placing barriers and inhibiting individual thought. Come on people of Pakistan! some guys want you to behave in a certain way, they want that you do not think critically so that you can’t challenge their ideas and you are sympathizing with them.
May your God give you the ability to use your brains.Recommend
athar

Dear tribune , Stop being utterly stupid and rediculus. There has always been a dress code policy in NUST. If one doesn’t follow one has to pay the penalty. Please google the Newsweek’s latest dress code policy, if you think NUST is being rediculous. Time for you to write an article on that as well. Oh and there is the 5th World Engineering Council being held at NUST, but you didn’t bother posting about that.Recommend
Hasan

How do you know this? Its reported in Dawn too.Recommend
Nadir

Thank you all for your comments and right said that this is indeed a trivial issue. NUST and other universities should have no issue spending so much time and energy enforcing such rules, but then ignore academic issues and try to hush issues related to student welfare.Recommend
Ayesha Zehra

A baseless article.

And by the way, it is “NUST” (all caps) and not Nust, I guess you missed that in a hurry.

P.S. Please ask the NBS administration (NUST Business School) to mail you a copy of the dress code and code of conduct (which, I believe, they have every right to have).Recommend
Ayesha Zehra

A baseless article.

And by the way, it is NUST (all caps), and not Nust.

P.S. Please ask the NBS admin to mail you a copy of the dress code and code of conduct.

Enough said.Recommend
NUSTIAN

I spent 4 years thr and know every nook and corner of NUST, about every rule and regulation of NUST, and every official of NUST. SO I know much more than the so called writer.Recommend
NUSTIAN

Those who are blaming NUST for their dress code, see the poll results.Recommend
Usman786

NUST is one of the leading and disciplined institutiuons of Pak. If you donot want to follow their codes then who is stopping “you to leave Pak” or go to another university as you have done so where you can wear any dress or none. I do admit sometimes these retd officers get too stubborn and can fail to see diff betweeb PMA and University.Recommend
Rehan Naeem

NUST Dress Code/Outfit/Clothing as mentioned in the prospectus. You agreed to these rules below then you got admission to the institute. Why didn’t you protest then and why now Tribune and Dawn have highlighted the issue? Should have read the “terms and conditions”!

There is no specified uniform; however a proper dress code is to be followed, as specified below:

MALE STUDENTS
-Dress Pants and dress shirts of decent color (Shorts or Bermudas not allowed).
-Simple jeans
-T-Shirt.
-Shalwar Kameez of decent color (Properly ironed).

FEMALE STUDENTS
-Shirt with appropriate length and normal pattern shalwar (Low neck and sleeveless shirts not allowed).
-Dupatta or Shawl (compulsory).

-Small heel or flat shoes (high heels not allowed).
-Trousers with long shirts (trousers with slits not allowed)Recommend
Sangeen Ali

Mr. Nadir plz focus on other issues which need far greater attention. you people have found it an easy short-cut to international fame. stop exporting Londanized culture into Pakistan.Recommend
Hasan

You don’t get it. It’s all in writing up
there. Your knowledge of every nook and corner does not count here.Recommend
Kappa

The problem with Pakistani men is they want to use everything made by west and call it “modernization” but when it comes to women they would label it ” westernization”. Double faced, double minded men of Pakistan.Recommend
Guest

Dress Code/Outfit/Clothing as mentioned in the NUST Prospectus
There is no specified uniform; however a proper dress code is to be followed, as specified below:

MALE STUDENTS
Dress Pants and dress shirts of decent color (Shorts or Bermudas not allowed).
Simple jeans
T-Shirt.
Shalwar Kameez of decent color (Properly ironed).

FEMALE STUDENTS
Shirt with appropriate length and normal pattern shalwar (Low neck and sleeveless shirts not allowed).
Dupatta or Shawl (compulsory).
Small heel or flat shoes (high heels not allowed).
Trousers with long shirts (trousers with slits not allowed)Recommend
Farzan.S

and the author quietly corrected the mistake before too many people noticed it. This just goes to show that fancy international degrees and above average vocabulary does not make you an intellectual!Recommend
Hasan

Dress code includes requirement to wear
duppata? What a ridiculous rule. Why not call it Zia ul Haq University
instead?Recommend
INDIAN SHIA

I paid once 250 inr for the same in 2009Recommend
Hasan

Is NUST a show? What kind of ridiculous
analogy is this? I worry about the quality of NUST graduates now.Recommend
Gentleman

Stop making WOMEN an issue. Treat them the way you want to be treated. I am sure pupils at NUST read all rules before signing up. If you dislike them, its your bad.Recommend
Guest

of all the comments…..only yours make sense.Recommend
Usaid

The grammatical mistake reference given by the author is not with regards to the “Dupatta” rather it is for the line mentioned above the table shown in the picture.

It is written in the notice, quote “Under mentioned students are fine for…” while it should have been written as “Below mentioned students are fined for…”.Recommend
Hasan

Can you not see the notice fining girls for wearing Jeans?

Boy, NUST intellectual quality is surely too low. No surprise.Recommend
Hussam

Where were all these people when NUSTians were representing Pakistan at Shell Eco Marathon ? in Robocup held in Switzerland? the only team to be selected from all of Asia? And you choose an issue which you have no knowledge about? That all students agree when entering NUST that they’ll follow these dress codes. Also, a girl was not wearing jeans it was a guy and these are only NBS rules so that they can learn to go in a corporate culture!Recommend
Hasan

What are you talking about? I can’t understand the logic of it.

NUST people can’t put together a few coherent sentences. No wonder it’s so when their focus in on dupattas.Recommend
Not A Nustain

hahaha Well said !!!Recommend
ZipitYolo

“So called writer?”

How can he be a so-called writer when he clearly wrote the article? That makes him just a writer. Use of the word “so-called” implies either Syed Nadir El Edroos himself or someone else incorrectly referred to Syed Nadir El Edroos as the writer. There is no doubt he is one.

Now, on a note that you might find irrelevant and confusing but people with IQ higher than that of a pair of flip-flops will find not only relevant but amusing too – weren’t you supposed to educate yourself at NUST?Recommend
Sangeen Ali

France, canada and others impose ban on a particular dress, amazingly we dont see any of these hypocritically westernize and nominal scholars writing or speaking against that which itself by the standard of these writers is in violation of the freedom rights of the students and citizens. instructing a citizen not to wear Hijab is as equal a violation of freedom rights as instructing him to wear a Dupatta (by the standard of the so-called sycophant scholars always looking to please the west)Recommend
Faisal Arshad

NUST is only wanting its share from the savings made by girls who wear less than full clothesRecommend
disqus_MiFbNPwiCU

@hasan
Who am I to tell them?
Well dear chap, I am part of the same public that has the right to comment on NUST.
Surely, you don’t mean to say that while you and the “rest of the public” can comment while I cannot do the same.
Hypocrite much?Recommend
mashal

Nust: Well done, the author may not aware of the term “Education”, its not only academics, it is also about how you should live, how you should react, how your should follow rules to be civilized and above all if you don’t follow rules then what is education, i.e., if mathematics rule says you should always perform multiplication before addition… to be liberal lets do it the other way round…..Recommend
disqus_MiFbNPwiCU

Instead of whining about it on social media, why don’t you do something about it?
Maybe File a petition in Supreme Court if you are such a victim?Recommend
disqus_MiFbNPwiCU

NUST has its rules, if someone doesn’t like them or can’t live with them, just leave NUST.
Dare I mention thousands of students including the ones who aren’t even students there, and still causing this hullabaloo would throng to NUST to study there in spite of the present rules.
Have you heard of a single student male or female who has left NUST after the imposition of these rules?
I think not!Recommend
disqus_MiFbNPwiCU

And Pseudo Liberals still cry.Recommend
Parvez

The university is correctly called NUTS……….with a rigid school like disciplinary regime what else can one call it.Recommend
MSP

That is a very lame reply.

Question – does the NUST Code of Conduct have provisions to fine male students for ogling/staring at and harrassing women?Recommend
Ahmad Hashmi

I wish you could have understood the meaning of my comment. Feel sorry for you. Peace.Recommend
Hasan

You have no idea what you are talking about.
First you say no one else has a right to complain; now you want yourself right
to complain. Complain all you want but you can’t stop others from complaining
too. Logic is not something they teach at NUST. I get it.Recommend
Hasan

Why? Is this a NUST rule too that I can not whine in social media?Recommend
Hasan

NUST is paid by public and public has a right to say what NUST should or shouldn’t do. Get this in your small NUST mind, if its possible.Recommend
Hasan

Its difficult to understand when there is no logic, or may be its its NUST logic.Recommend
ashi

What’s wrong in following a dress code? If our religion requires us to dress up in a particular way then why complainRecommend
Ameer

I’m not from NUST but I still think its really stupid to fine people on what they wear. Unforunately most NUSTIANS here have completely missed the point. I am very disappointed by NUST students’ utter lack of critical analysis.

But unfortunately our whole population is the moral police. And they are proud about it. Being allowed to and supported by society to tell people off apparently has the best rush.

“Mein na karoon to koi na karay.”

PATHETIC.Recommend
Wasif

Pakistan is an islamic country and if someone is trying to make girls wear a dupatta on their heads is being criticised and when in france they ban hijab you criticize them as well. So, people of my sweet nation what you actually like ? I don’t think there is nothing wrong in making girls wear a dupatta because most of you wouldn’t like your sister to go out without wearing a dupatta. Stop criticizing NUST. Look at your own self.Recommend
disqus_MiFbNPwiCU

Please leave the worrying part to those who actually graduate from there.
A graduate of NUST is the most highly sought after in the job market currently. If only your reservations were not so misplaced and biased you might have actually made some sense.
Tsk! Tsk!Recommend
STMK

I don’t understand about a article & writer promotional schema, Decent attire is always welcome by every one specially If we can speak about good institutions & universities where students will be the future builders, I am totally agree with NUST action against these students who are not full filling the basic requirement of University, Due to strict action against students, Universities like NUST is very prestigious institute in Pakistan, Above voting poll giving a open sign of people likeness for dress code.Recommend
Ali

Its for other lucky people at NBS there is a policy
NO JEANS NO T SHIRTS NO JOGGERS!! for male students
Cant even wear shalwar kameez on friday
i play table tennis while i wear “decent shoes” can you even imagine how hard it is
MERE MOCHI NE JAWAB DE DIYA HE KE WOH ABB MERE JUTE NAHI SII SAKTA!!
NUST SHOULD PAY BILLS FOR MY SHOES!!Recommend
Waseel

Pakistan is a muslim state and not a secular state to promte everything. I think every UNI. in pakistan must follow NUST dress code for this. We are pleased that NUST is among the top 500 universities of the world so why not promote our own culture our Dress code in the world?
Plus it is just a hype every business school in the world would having a Dress code of being formal.Recommend
E

Nadir bhai, i agree, thanks for writing
on a topic that highlights such a grave issue in our society, which obviously forms
the basis of everything which is wrong with us … we should have girls dressed,
so they can go straight to night clubs….obviously clothing won’t affect their
intellect, weather might have some effect… while we are racist, anti-liberal,
chauvinist, might as well give all the guys a happy ending on graduation.

.Recommend
Maheen

You are welcome to post your thoughts NUST rules and regulations at news247.com.pk. Let me know if you want to speak, I will create your account and it will be published with your name.Recommend
fatima

Did this guy not note that boys were also fined “Wearing Jeans” and that also exuberant amounts way more than the girls. GENDER DISCRIMINATION WRITER not good not goodRecommend
nustian

Its minds like these who will only live to cause chaos everywhere.They haven’t amounted to anything in the world so they try to hold others back too. People who have the urge to learn don’t make these things an issue, they embrace them and continue to work for the higher purposes of obtaining education.Recommend
fatima

He has blurred the names its a guy who got fined for wearing jeans. Guys get fined for wearing jeans and for not wearing tie.Recommend
Turbo Lover

Maybe we should change the name from NUST to NUTS.Recommend
jojo

I personally think that there are lot more important issues to discuss on such a famous tribune blog rather such minor things which are even part of our culture/religion and even when one is writing a whole aritcle without consulting a authorities at NUST.
P.S: please forgive if there is any gramatical/spelling mistake :)Recommend
Farzan

This dupatta/jeans rule is only implemented in NUST Business School because they have a formal business attire for boys/girls that is compulsory there. I study at an Engineering school (SCEE) inside the very same campus of NUST and I’ve always worn jeans.Recommend
suzo

well the students should abide by the laws and wear uniform..Recommend
Sameed Siddiqui

Having uniformity across the campus and imposing fines on students for wearing indecent clothes is indeed a very good idea. This is Islamic Republic Of Pakistan, where we should abide by the rules and regulations set by Islamic scholars. Wearing tight jeans and not taking veil doesn’t make you intellectual or so-called high-class, but lower yourself in front of Allah. Its our institutions that teaches us what is wrong and what is right. In Universities, we shouldn’t only be taught about science and technology, but the facts about how to carve our live in future in the light of Islam. On the other hand, allowing students to wear tight clothing can harass other students of opposite sex, which can eventually lead to some disgusting and immoral activities. Hence, I am proud of NUST for implementing such strict rules for maintaining dress code in their UniversityRecommend
Fahad

No, Anyone harassing women is issued warning letter and then expelled. ogling, however is difficult to prove, so if you have any ideas I am sure NUST administration will be willing to implement it.Recommend
http://www.hive.pk/ Hive Solutions

Universities are for learning and becoming a good asset for the society, right? Find must be imposed to those who don’t follow a set dress-code!Recommend
Anonymous

It was supposed to be a civilian campus not a military academy and if the new prorector has such ridiculous ideas between his ears then he should save his energy and divide the H12 campus into a girls wing and a boys wing just like the International Islamic University has done. We are not montessori kids belonging to some nursery-orange, we are men and wome in our twenties. Its funny when such sheer display of conservatism is seen from the top management because they themselves are highly immoral individuals who cannot pass on a night without resorting to adultery and alcohol. Our director admin wont even let us enter his office building until we are absolutely clean shaved. He would ask us about our family backgrounds and judge us accordongly. I remember his words ‘Oh I see so your father is (my father is a grade 20 bureaucrat), no wonder you have such an expensive phone and nike shoes.’ All I could do was humbly tell him that I purchased the cell phone from my last semester scholarship prize money. The director admin would deliberately touch girls patting all one by one on their heads. My friend could swear he caressed her neck while doing that. Another act of butchery committed by the brutuses that sit in the headquarters of Nust was last semester. A guy and girl from the architecture school were coming back from outside and due to loadshedding the bike crashed into the barricade just outside gate 10. Unfortunately the girl lost her legs and the guy was severely injured. Instead of owning them as their children, the they were scrutinized, publicised and defamed within the university and expelled. Considering for a moment that two 22 year olds had done something immensely immoral ‘outside’ the university premises and were coming back in the evening, when GOD had already punished them so severely, why add such inhuman insult to injury? It could have been the rectors daughter, or the prorectors son? But No Mercy from the pharoahs of Nust! “Bloody civilians”, is what our dear director admin refers to us as. I remember in my first semester when the daughtet of a serving brigadier, who was admitted in the Nust girls hostel was caughr living with her boyfriend for several months in the capital was caught and ‘No action was taken against her by the university’. The question I ask is why are they creating an air of conservatism in an internationally recognised university? What parents outside Pakistan would send their daughters or sons to this institution? I say that these so called ‘sipahis’ are killing the very spirit this institution proclaims it instills. SHAME ON YOU NUST MANAGEMENT!Recommend
ria

I guess its okay for NUST to have a dress code. I dont understand why it doesnt promote individualism… Does the writer think that the people who are in Army have suppressed individuality just because they are wearing the same dress? A proper dress code is the requirement of many universities, offices and even many five star hotels. If someone is not willing to follow the dress code, then he has the option not to go to these places…it was a trivial issue i guess and didnt require this much attention. NUST has full right to maintain the dress code which is mentioned in their prospectus so basically all the students should know about the dress code before joining the university.Recommend
think

This Jeans Rule is for boys …. Both the fines on jeans are imposed on BOYSRecommend
Zener

@Hasan: Bhai jaan, when you comment on ET, it goes for moderation. When you refresh the page after that, there is no indication whether your comment has been published or still pending moderation. Like me, she must have too commented again believing her first comment was not published. Is that logical enough?Recommend
Vegabound

Well, If you reflect on your own 3 sentences long self pro claimed plausible argument, you’d realize that it isnt making any sense either.Recommend
Aqib Bhatti

@disqus_ZVTQb6w2KC:disqus Hosla mari jan
It looks like u were not able to get admission in NUST because such comments are mostly from those who fail to clear NUST Entry Test. LOLRecommend
Zoya Mohsin Awan

Well said !

Talking about trivialities, Now let me take a snapshot of this article and blog about ‘irresponsible journalism’.

HEIL LIMITED MENTAL FACULTY AND IDIOTIC BLOGGERS !Recommend
Ahmad Hashmi

More commonly it happens when someone willingly refuses to understand…Recommend
Hassan Jalil

What the author and everyone do not get is that these fine were imposed in NUST BUSINESS SCHOOL
Where the dress code states that have to be in a formal attire
Since its a business school the dress code is business oriented

Hence the fine on wearing jeans , Not because its indecent but because its informal

I belong to SEECS , half the People i know wear jeans (both girls and guys) and no fines are imposed

Get your fact straight before you start blabbering on the internetRecommend
Hassan Jalil

Have you seen the real notice without the names blurred out ?
The fine for wearing Jeans is for a guy not a girl
The fine was imposed because NBS has a formal dress code
Last time i checked Jeans were not formal
Hence the fine was imposed for wearing informal attire
Get your fact straightRecommend
Sarah

I don’t understand one thing that why this thing has becomes such a big issue ! Since ages universities have dress codes and students get fined for breaking them ! Secondly we live in a Muslim country and have our own values. Duppata is just getting out of our dress which is in decent for sure ! While going to a university one should come in a decent way , in a dress according to the rule , not thinking that they are coming to a fashion show !

I still don’t know why this thing has become such an issue. This is so right what Nust has done and must be done in future as well for people who do not follow the dress code !Recommend
Hasan

That would be too obvious. :)Recommend
Vegabound

I reckon that parents should also have a say over on going discussion. One picture have sparked a controversy but honestly those sending their kids and especially those studying there must have a say as they must have been more concerned over the underlying problem which have recently surfaced. How many of us passing judgements, terming it as right or wrong have studied from that university? The simple answer is hardly few who have bothered commenting subsequently reading the article. Thus, Knowing opinion of the concerned people is equally significant.Recommend
ProudNustian

no dude, thats the point, u can just whine in Social mediaRecommend
Qazi

Okay everyone from NUST itself who’s saying that it shouldn’t be a problem since it’s just about wearing a decent dress as you’re at a business school, sigh, listen to me. I’ve studied at MCS (NUST) for four years and let me tell you, it sucked. Well, at least for the most part. Why? Because we were ‘governed’ by these stupid faujis. We had uniforms there and we wore uniforms. But we were still fined. For things you wouldn’t imagine. I kid you not, I’ve been fined for walking on the grass, putting hands in pocket, not shaving for one day, being a couple minutes late to our ‘morning attendance’ which takes place at 7.45 (They don’t give a rat’s ass if my first class starts at 10 am). Everyone defending this act should get their heads straight. First they fine you on dress code, then they will start fining you on other bullshit. You should feel lucky that it is getting this much attention. Trust me, 5 years down the line you will be regretting not opposing this right now.Recommend
NUSTIAN

The code of conduct of NUST is same and persistent since 1992, almost a carbon copy of PMA code of conduct and joining instructions. Most of its campuses are PMA equivalent institutes for Technical arms of Pak Army, NUST islamabad being the only exception.

I am sure no one would have raised issue on Dupatta in 1992, will the Author suggest in which year NUST establishment should have excluded that clause from their code of conduct,

its not NUST but you making issue out of it, NUST is the first university of Pakistan that ranked in top 500 institutes of world, in contrast, UET is 700+, and being run by a military general since 1999, appointed by shahbaz sharif in his previous govt. I dont know whats stopping them from changing that FAUJI.

You would not find a NUSTian wearing CHAPPALS into his work places. there is a reason that
ALL TOP ORGANIZATIONs of PAKISTAN prefer NUSTIANS over sarkari taught Engineers.Recommend
Rabia Ahmed Sikandar

I am a NUSTIAN, with 7 years long association with this institute. i have done my Bachelors and Masters from NUST and now working here. During our student life, we were also asked to abide by the formal dress code, as university wanted to prepare us for the business world. if i am not wrong, almost many Multinationals (many of us can see in movies too) follow dress codes and people are bound to abide by that. During my tenure, we were not even allowed to do and wear what students today are exercising/wearing but we never complained. Most of us have found our ways in FMCG’s, telecom, Construction companies etc. because of NUST. I just want to say that if students from NUST are always looking for faults within this place, then they should at once look towards the brighter side of the institute and share few achievements of the university. Look at the worth of NUST degree in the market, the NUST talented engineers, NUST creative Crews, NUST ranking, NUST foreign qualified faculty and what not. Only by picking one issue, students are just putting their own education at stake.
Yes there are few issues prevailing at NUST, but such issues or problems are found in all institutes…Try to Think Positive and next time PLEASE Highlight some of NUST Achievements too so giving people and everyone a chance to View NUST as a Prestigious Institution.Recommend
disqus_MiFbNPwiCU

Oh! oh! look! NUST still doesn’t care after all the days whining that you did here.
What are you going to do about it? The question still stands.
Whine some more?Recommend
AQ

Its their university, so it should be their way or the highway…Recommend
Faisal Asghar

An extremely shameful post !!! You don’t know any thing about this university or any of it’s rules . You media people just need a story to heat up your new papers .
Agar shadeed hi koi problem ho rahi hay apko , to visit the university and meet the students ! They will let you know everything ! Stop maligning the name of NUST !

Proud Nustian !Recommend