Millat Facebook: debunking the ‘facts’

Published: June 21, 2010

Millat Facebook claims to have caused "a serious kick" for "Mark's Zionist Facebook."

The Facebook Blasphemy scandal seems to have died down but there are still some pretenders to the yet to be abdicated throne.

The one I can think of is Millat Facebook which has tried to make inroads in our social network loving society (read: friendship please). The Millat Facebook topic has been discussed endlessly so there is no point of going into details about it.

Their website was inaccessible before the ban was lifted so I assumed that the creators of the site had given up. I was proven wrong when I woke up this afternoon to find a tweet about the resurgence of Millat Facebook.

I thought I was imagining things when I logged on to their website because I thought I had ended up at the wrong place. It seemed more like a website for a militant group ready to regroup after losing a humiliating battle. There was a big message informing their fan base about their plans to expand their capacity.

The part which made me laugh out loud was where the creators of the site were comparing statistics for their own website vs the “zionist” FB created by Mark Zuckerberg. I realised that most of the facts they had listed over there were quite inaccurate. It would be a pleasure to debunk those facts and present the real truth.

Debunking the ‘facts’

“Millat FB was launched by a team of Pakistani Muslims by working round the clock within just 2-3 days and launched it Globally“

Rejoinder: That’s what happens when you steal the entire code and rewrite it. There is also a PHP script in the market which can be modified to fit your own needs. There is nothing extraordinary about those eggheads. If they were so dedicated they would create their own social network instead of stealing from one.

“Mark Zukerberg’s Zionist FB which took YEARS to develop and ran as a prototype for years. Than was registered in 1997 and it wasn’t until a YEAR LATER in 1998 that they could formally launch it.”

Rejoinder: (I love how they manage to bring Zionism in nearly every paragraph hehehe) Facebook was not a prototype for years and nor was it launched in 1998. It started off as a closed site open only to members of Harvard College and then slowly expanded to other universities and colleges in the US. It launched on the 4th of February 2004 as thefacebook.com.

“Within 15 Days MFB had over 333,000 members forming its community”

Rejoinder: There is no way to rely on those figures unless an external auditing firm comes in and does that. Sorry MFB I won’t believe that till I see some hard evidence.

“FB who in the ENTIRE FIRST MONTH could manage ONLY 3,000″

Rejoinder: Ummm yeah if your membership is restricted to Harvard College then there will be a limited number of people using the service, Duh.

“The most reputable internet stats provider Alexa Ranked MFB 18,860th site out of over 6 BILLION WEBSITES within JUST One and a Half week.“

Rejoinder:  Whoopee. Good for you guys.

“The Zionist owned FB which took 6 years to gain popularity“

Rejoinder: (Ha-ha they keep reminding us that FB is some sort of Zionist Conspiracy) I think they keep forgetting the fact that Facebook opened up to the public in 2006 and the rate of its growth was phenomenal. It was an overnight success even if it took some time to get a high number of users.

More Imaginary Facts from the proud owners of Millat Facebook

Mark’s FB was growing at 10.24% 3 months ago After their Backing and support of the Caricatures and the launch of Millat FACEBOOK, this dropped to 2.32% a month ago With Millat’s rising popularity, FB’s growth further slumped to 0.5% in the last 7 Days. The result is a decline from a 10.24% growth to the level of 0.5% ONLY. This is over 95% fall in their Growth and a SERIOUS KICK. The 10% approximate lost would account to 40 MILLION of the claimed 400 Million FB users, a HIT serious enough to get FB reeling.

Rejoinder: I don’t know where they get their facts from.  It seems that they are all tuned into a delusional channel for their updates. Facebook users were upset with Facebook but it had nothing to do with the caricatures. People were actually annoyed about the privacy settings on Facebook and had threatened to quit the service if nothing was done about it. However, Facebook did somewhat resolve that (even if the privacy controls are more confusing than ever).  There has hardly been a drop in the number of Facebook users and it has been registering double digit growth. People might leave it for reasons related to privacy and not for us. In fact all those people who made a big fuss about it are still sticking around. Chalk one up for the hypocrites who are full of hot air but end up doing nothing.

Yet more gems from the Conspiracy Theorists running Millat Facebook

FB’s attempts to stop Millat FB Constant DDOS Attacks on Millat including from Israeli and CIA owned IP’s (YES ……… We have them logged and the proofs)

Rejoinder: If they were really being attacked by the CIA and Mossad how the hell do they know it’s them??? Do the CIA and Mossad have IP addresses which screams out their name? The CIA and Mossad are so dumb that they are going to use their own IP addresses. Yeah right! Do they even know how DDOS attacks are initiated?? No agency is going to do it themselves even if they want to. Why should they do it themselves when they can outsource it to some hackers on their payroll.  I doubt the CIA & Mossad would do something like that for a no good website which wants to milk it for all the publicity they can get. They have better things to do than to bring down some two bit website.

Subversion Attacks on Millat

Rejoinder: LOL. This is a funny allegation coming from a website which basically stole the whole facebook concept and allows dating on its own website. Note to MFB: People have the right to their own opinions so buzz off.

Personal Threats to the Millat Administration

Rejoinder: Oh yeah I bet they are getting overseas phone calls with sinister sounding voices. They are so upset that our genius programmers have found the 8th wonder of the world and have created something special.

Partnership with Yahoo resulting in YAHOO refusing to deliver any emails containing Millat Facebook.COM (YAHOO and FB recently entered in a business deal and this explains YAHOO’s actions to help FB). Yahoo Mail is BLOCKING MFB emails ………………….. Yahoo is blocking our emails stating that “your website contain offensive content” They think uniting Muslims is offensive, this is their double standards. Pray that we succeed against these evil enemies and unite our Ummah as One Millat and show them “Yes We Can”

Rejoinder: This one doesn’t even warrant a response because it’s so preposterous. Yahoo blocks emails if they come from a website spreading hatred. If they were so against Muslims they would have banned emails from Naseeb.com or any other website. Microsoft also has an arrangement with Facebook but does that mean they also block emails from MFB. Yahoo would block the emails regardless of the agreement with Facebook. If the creators of MFB are so against the “Zionists” why don’t they create their own “Millat” email so their email notifications won’t get blocked? Furthermore I doubt the emails are blocked as MFB looks more like some sort of spam website. If I were a MFB user I would check my Yahoo spam filter to see if the email was there

This is very strange that Mark’s Facebook which allow and supports RIDICULE of Holy Prophet (SAWW) is not objectionable but Millat Facebook.com which prohibits the ridicule of any faith and offers a very decent environment is” Objectionable”

Rejoinder: I agree that Facebook has double standards as it did not take down the caricatures. However Millat Facebook was yet another breeding ground for dating and was set to be a not so decent place.

Yet more dribble from MFB (My comments in brackets)

But Alhamdulillah they have been constantly DEFEATED successfully.

(Really how is that? Please let me know)

All this has been phenomenal and miraculous. It is no ordinary feat and cannot be explained just by any traditional logics. All this is Allah’s blessings and YOUR support. So our heartily and deepest gratitude and CONGRATS goes to YOU. AND NOW THE ENEMY HAS GONE DESPERATE

(How have they gone desperate? Are they busy crying over their losses from a market which barely matters to them?)

Mark’s FB has gone to further lows by putting pressure on our service provider

(Of course if someone steals my design and ideas he is responsible for infringing on my intellectual property. I would ask my provider to stop providing hosting for them and revoke their domain. Duh)

We will show them that we are united and together we CAN and we WILL WIN (InshAllah)

(Yeah that’s one reason why so many people are still using Facebook. Why your beloved comrades such as Zaid Hamid are also using it to spread their malicious propaganda)

The icing on the cake

MFB has been hailed in the international media as a serious threat to FB as well as a positive answer thereby improving the image of Muslims and Pakistanis. They have reported Millat Facebook and overall hailed it as a brave and unique step which poses a serious threat to FB ……..and is termed a REAL alternate ………….     Despite an attempt by a Herald affiliated and foreign funded online Pakistani newspaper to crush Millat Facebook all are now amazed with the results Alhamdulillah

(LOL once again. It is obvious that they are p****d off with the Express Tribune’s take on MFB.)

Conclusion

All I can say is that this is the most blatant form of exploitation of a bad situation. Only some naive fool will actually believe them. I have been laughing ever since I landed on their homepage this evening. I would be really surprised if people actually believe everything they read without verifying the facts. I have condemned Facebook for their double standards but did not endorse the ban on Facebook since I believe in Self Censorship. Only time will tell if the God fearing creators of MFB (who ironically sinned by stealing) will be able to deal with the legal and financial repercussion in the future. God save us all from crazy people who are able to fool people like that.

Shoaib Taimur

Shoaib Taimur

An IT graduate from Middlesex University who has been blogging for the past 7 years. He is a big fan of tennis, house music and Bjork.

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • http://thatis.me/wasijaved/ Muhammad Wasif Javed

    Really nice post Shoaib … Agreed with you and hope you’ll keep on bringing the facts to people to raise awareness among the non-aware.Recommend

  • Naeem Akhtar

    Well infact MFB should be thankful to Tribune since if it was not Tribune’s article they would not have got even a visit :DRecommend

  • Sakina

    amazing! interestingly presented!! Good job!! hehe!Recommend

  • Asad Hasnain

    MFB guys have screwed themselves :DRecommend

  • Raza

    And what about brazenly ripping the name ‘facebook’ off their so called competitor. This is beyond ridiculous. Did these people ever been to a real school or went to a madrassa where they taught them how to steal and rip off someone else’s ideas, functionality and code line-by-line. I mean even a lunatic on a street would at least think of changing the name to something original. what a shame!Recommend

  • Raza Again

    Millat Facebook:
    I am a graphic designer, and all I can think after looking at your page is to vomit. Stealing the idea and executing it in such poor taste is a joke in itself. Seriously, do you guys have no shame or regard for other people’s work? Here’s a test for you, if you think you are so great, forget the world..just get Pakistan Software Export Board (PSEB) to endorse you. That would help you see where you stand. I am thinking about using a term that’s probably more appropriate for an online forum like this, but it’s hard to find a good equivalent for a ‘theif’.

    We seriously need to introspect to find out why is that all the lunatics, thieves and illiterate goons want to represent ‘muslim ummah’ and pakistan? Why don’t we have any quality control bodies to filter (and kill) these kind of projects before they can even take a stab at embarrassing us?Recommend

  • Bilal

    I love it! Great piece Shoaib.Recommend

  • Atif

    Mr. Shoaib, Would you ahve the courage and ethics to post a detailed answer to your propoganda based “empty rhetoric” answer?.

    If so please and tell and I’ll send you with the details how this is not what you are portraying and is real.

    Wake up dude

    Try inviting people to MFB using your own yahoo account and you would see that yahoo is blocking them.

    Also understand that IPs are the addresses and registered in owners name and being admin one can see the IPs anyone is coming from.

    Anyway they are going to do a press conference on it so would open the drama.Recommend

  • Atif

    you can’t see that MFB is a symbol now and much beyond your nitty gritty ridiculeRecommend

  • John Mathews

    I believe that these guys did something positive rather than burning effigies. Why are Pakistanis so self-satirising as a nation?

    After reading this I did some quick research myself, my take on this is as below:

    1. Mark’s FB was growing at 10.24% 3 months ago After their Backing and support of the Caricatures and the launch of Millat FACEBOOK, this dropped to 2.32% a month ago With Millat’s rising popularity, FB’s growth further slumped to 0.5% in the last 7 Days. The result is a decline from a 10.24% growth to the level of 0.5% ONLY. This is over 95% fall in their Growth and a SERIOUS KICK. The 10% approximate lost would account to 40 MILLION of the claimed 400 Million FB users, a HIT serious enough to get FB reeling.

    Rejoinder: I don’t know where they get their facts from. It seems that they are all tuned into a delusional channel for their updates.

    MY TAKE: These facts are from the world’s most reputed Internet stats provider, the American firm, Alexa (taken on 14th june 2010). It can be checked at:

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/facebook.com

    2. Partnership with Yahoo resulting in YAHOO refusing to deliver any emails containing Millat Facebook.COM (YAHOO and FB recently entered in a business deal and this explains YAHOO’s actions to help FB). Yahoo Mail is BLOCKING MFB emails ………………….. Yahoo is blocking our emails stating that “your website contain offensive content” They think uniting Muslims is offensive, this is their double standards. Pray that we succeed against these evil enemies and unite our Ummah as One Millat and show them “Yes We Can”

    Rejoinder: This one doesn’t even warrant a response because it’s so preposterous. Yahoo blocks emails if they come from a website spreading hatred. If they were so against Muslims they would have banned emails from Naseeb.com or any other website.

    MY TAKE: I personally checked it and Yahoo refused to deliver the mail, said my account was on hold and that it triggered their filters. when i removed the word millat and made it facebook.com, my account was working and the mail went perfectly fine. TEST IT YOURSELF

    3. “Mark Zukerberg’s Zionist FB which took YEARS to develop and ran as a prototype for years. Than was registered in 1997 and it wasn’t until a YEAR LATER in 1998 that they could formally launch it.”

    Rejoinder: (I love how they manage to bring Zionism in nearly every paragraph hehehe) Facebook was not a prototype for years and nor was it launched in 1998. It started off as a closed site open only to members of Harvard College and then slowly expanded to other universities and colleges in the US. It launched on the 4th of February 2004 as thefacebook.com.

    MY TAKE: FB was indeed tested as a prototype but the journalist seems to be UNAWARE. It was open to Harvard students as the “hacker stealer” wasn’t sure about the viability fo the idea. Still marketing is a part of the busniess plan.

    Check out the real face of Mr. Zukerberg who STOLE and HACKED his uni’s sytems and his senior’s idea. This is what business insider has to say:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/how-facebook-was-founded-2010-3#we-can-talk-about-that-after-i-get-all-the-basic-functionality-up-tomorrow-night-1

    I hope these references will give some genuine and neutral perspective to people. You guys need to appreciate good work from your people or you would be left with Talibans all over your country.

    Regards,

    J MathewsRecommend

  • John Mathews

    Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-facebook-was-founded-2010-3#they-made-a-mistake-haha-they-asked-me-to-make-it-for-them-2

    In December, 2003, a week after Mark’s first meeting with the HarvardConnection team, when he was telling the Winklevosses that he was too busy with schoolwork to work on or even think about HarvardConnection.com, Mark was telling Eduardo a different story. On December 7, 2003, we believe Mark sent Eduardo the following IM:

    Check this site out: http://www.harvardconnection.com and then go to harvardconnection.com/datehome.php. Someone is already trying to make a dating site. But they made a mistake haha. They asked me to make it for them. So I’m like delaying it so it won’t be ready until after the facebook thing comes out.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-facebook-was-founded-2010-3#they-made-a-mistake-haha-they-asked-me-to-make-it-for-them-2#ixzz0rWWgpSPFRecommend

  • John Mathews

    Also I found that a lot of misconceptions and critiscmwas addressed positively in this interview with Executive Editor Hindustan Times Mr. Gautam Chikermane and highly recommend all specially the author of this piece to read it.

    http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/cutting-the-edge/2010/06/13/islam-has-a-branding-problem-millatfacebook-ceo/#comments

    Excerpt:

    Why call it “Facebook”?

    Good question. Actually it is called Millatfacebook and that’s because just like a picture conveys more than a thousand words, it conveys, without speaking a single word what we are about which is: “the rival and alternate Facebook created by Muslims for all the decent people of all faiths to come together and interact in a socially responsible and considerate manner.”

    And we are not against Facebook name but the hate-mongering, Islamophobic and anti-humane policies of the Facebook administration.

    The colour scheme, the fonts resemble Facebook…why?

    The theme is certainly different, the logos and colour scheme are unique. There are many different, additional and better features. However, there may be a similar feel due to some common basics all social networking platforms have. It’s just like asking Toyota or BMW why they have an accelerator or gear box when Mercedes have them. Well, these are the basic essentials but their designs, models and basically the products are different.Recommend

  • Atif

    ok THANKS now my previous comment is also published.Recommend

  • Umair

    John Mathews: on June 14th 2010, did the Millat Facebook owners take into account that Facebook was facing a far greater problem regarding its privacy issues, and that its growth rate slowed (momentarilyas you see on Alexa) due to this issue, particularly with european users?

    Millat Facebook is a sad excuse of Facebook clone. As you say @atif, it is not a social networking site but a symbol of how well Pakistanis can rip off other people’s ideas and politicise something as mundane as social networking. Pathetic.Recommend

  • Mark

    I am not a Muslim but I can see from Alexa ranking that their claim of 333,000 membership is right enough:

    Have a look they are ranked 16,000th Most Popular website among over 6 Billion Websites on internet, and all that in just 15 days.

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/millatfacebook.com#Recommend

  • Sana

    I was a FB and now a MFB member and have left FB for good. I can honestly state that MFB is much better and a lot more fun.

    I don’t understand why only Pakistanis are getting so jealous is it our national paradigm of pulling each others legs?.

    And sorry to say but this article is very childish without any research.

    Atleast he could have tried sending emails using Yahoo.

    How about contavting the MFB team for a response before publishing or is it just a satirising attempt on MFb for no good reason.

    We support MFB way to goRecommend

  • Sana

    Mr. Raza I don’t know what kind of designer are you but these guys need support and you should see the new look of the site. Its really awesome.

    In just 2 weeks getting over 335,000 users and an alexa ranking of 15,591 out of OVER 6 Billion is says it all.

    Tell me if any site specially muslim site has ever been able to do this? No

    So please leave your jealously and be united for the cause.Recommend

  • Sana

    @ Umair oh please again you are sobing. I don’t understand that when Mark Zukerberg actually STOLE his seniors idea as Mr. Mathews has provided the link to you have NO PROB.

    But these guys create something and your eyebrows are raising.Recommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Atif

    MFB Rocks :)

    Congrats – Documentary on MFB by Aljazeera Network – 22/06/10 (6:30 AM GMT) 11:30 AM PST

    June 21, 2010 by omerzaheermeer | Edit

    Source: http://omerzaheermeer.wordpress.com/2010/06/21/congrats-documentary-on-mfb-by-aljazeera-network-220610-630-am-gmt-1130-am-pst/

    Alhamdulillah ….. Another Milestone

    Tune into Aljazeera (English) tomorrow (22nd June 2010) at 11:30 AM PST (6:30 AM GMT) to watch a documentary on Millat Facebook by Aljazeera Network.

    Please watch and spread the message to others to spread the message and awareness.

    Together we CAN and we WILL WIN (InshAllah)Recommend

  • Ali Imran

    Hi Shohaib!
    I was amazed to see the post by a Muslim & Pakistani! I believe this could be from only Pakistani itself, The reason for saying this that this is the speciality of Pakistani that we can’t see the success and some thing special from our own nation hood and express our gelousy that why I was not the person who achived this, We always love to criticse rather motivating.

    Let me point out few points which other friends have already mentioned!

    Shoaib Quoted:
    (“Millat FB was launched by a team of Pakistani Muslims by working round the clock within just 2-3 days and launched it Globally“)

    No doubt on it, they did it, doesn’t matter how was it done and yes they are still better then all of us who just love to critise rather any practical implementation!

    Shoaib Quoted:
    (“Within 15 Days MFB had over 333,000 members forming its community”)

    Visit Alexa for Proofs and see if tat is real time traffic or fake generated users
    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/millatfacebook.com

    Shoaib Quoted:
    (“The most reputable internet stats provider Alexa Ranked MFB 18,860th site out of over 6 BILLION WEBSITES within JUST One and a Half week.“

    Rejoinder: Whoopee. Good for you guys.)

    This is not only good for those guys but for All Pakistani and we are proud that it is becoming closesest to Zionist FB in ranking out of Six Billions web site world wide even though site is down but ranking is getting close…

    Shoaib Quoted:

    (More Imaginary Facts from the proud owners of Millat Facebook

    Mark’s FB was growing at 10.24% 3 months ago After their Backing and support of the Caricatures and the launch of Millat FACEBOOK, this dropped to 2.32% a month ago With Millat’s rising popularity, FB’s growth further slumped to 0.5% in the last 7 Days. The result is a decline from a 10.24% growth to the level of 0.5% ONLY. This is over 95% fall in their Growth and a SERIOUS KICK. The 10% approximate lost would account to 40 MILLION of the claimed 400 Million FB users, a HIT serious enough to get FB reeling.)

    I believe you didn’t visited this, so go ahead and see the facts your self

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/facebook.com

    There are many more facts that are yet to revealed about your posting but I hope some one else will find it and fix it!

    May ALLAH ALMIGHTY show us right path!

    Thanks
    AliRecommend

  • shobz

    I am amazed to see the responses here. It amuses me to see some of them.

    @atif: I have already made my point here by comparing Facebook and MFB. You can choose to ignore it or accept it. The so called “Facts” on the MFB are laughable. I do look so forward to their press conference and see what they have to say about it. Furthermore I know what IP addresses are and no Spy agency in the world will have an IP address which tags them as the owner. I think you have probably watched too many movies where you think tracking an IP address reveals everything.

    @John Matthews: (If that is really your name) All I can say is that you are changing the issue here. Alexa is not a benchmark to prove the success of a website. Furthermore I was talking about the FB figures and not the “success” of MFB. I am surprised they came up with such figures which makes me come to the conclusion that they are delusional. Your response to the yahoo mail controversy doesnt even warrant a response because what you said didn’t make any sense. So you claim you tried to send an email from within yahoo with the words millatfacebook since MFB is down. I sent an email with the word in it and i got it fine. Furthermore this post was not about Zuckerberg’s character as it was more about how MFB has ripped them off. The section about him and his dispute with the others has nothing to do with it.
    @Ali Imran: Your justification is quite lame so I dont even know if I should reply.If these people had worked on a proper social network and done something on the lines of Naseeb I would have applauded them. I would not play on the emotions of people and get them to join the website. They have simply cashed in on an opportunity to try and make it big. I have seen the page ranking for Alexa and I can see it only spiked when the ban was in effect only to drop down later. Furthermore Alexa does not give any information about the number of users but it only states the page hits. PS I have checked out the rankings for Facebook and no where does it say anything about losing a major chunk of their users. I would love to check out a news article which can actually verify and provide an audited figure for MFB. So please humor me and provide me something.
    @Sana: Your comments are more in the lines of the kettle calling the pot black. The irony is that this post was about the lack of research conducted by MFB and their inaccurate facts. My post has looked at the actual facts and compared them with what MFB has on it’s home page. I also don’t understand why people get passive aggressive by citing jealousy as a cause. I should be the one calling the MFB team childish but then I have taken the high road and let the facts speak for themselves. :)Recommend

  • http://cervet.blogspot.com Cervet Cahn

    This is a superb article! The whole concept of millatfacebook is just so preposterous that it just cannot get registered to my mind. I don’t know if writers take on the facts provided by MFB is right or wrong, but I totally agree with the author over the sorry state of MFB.

    If they are just SO EAGER to have an identity of their own, an identity for ISLAM or UMMAH (as they call it), why did they have to go with the namesake. Its such a shame when we try to out do someone but cant get ourselves out of our tiny little shells!

    After reading this article, I tried to sign up for MFB to see what is inside. This was the message there after I entered my login information:

    “The Unity of Muslims which is making them full of fears……..Lets show them “Together Yes We Can”

    We can WHAT?? Seriously?? That we can copy whole script, mimic the layout, and steal the name?? And all this for what? For a waste-of-time social networking website where people will look for dating prospects or useless forums and then eventually relate all that to MUSLIMS and UMMAH! Simply Ridiculous!!Recommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Atif

    Shobz or shoaib thanks for taking time to reply. I’m sorry to say the response is somewhat very childish. Not what I’d expect from some professional.

    If you have any sense of IT and I assume you are a real IT graduate than its so amazing you cannot even read the stats on Alexa. Let me help you there:

    In the traffic stats tab it was showing a % change. I wish you notice that before it goes away.

    And for your information Alexa is the most reputed benchmark for net traffic and web rankings.

    MFB site is down but the traffic is still there and guess what Alexa (now atleast you would trust your god father americans) are ranking them better and better with every day.

    With regard to yahoo try putting the URL of MFB in the subject and it would refuse to deliver. Change it with the FB URL and it would go through.

    Now re your argument for originality, its amazing that the first tribune article refused to call it a Fb clone and you are trying to prove so. Let me just quote the relevant answer here from the replies above:

    The colour scheme, the fonts resemble Facebook…why?

    The theme is certainly different, the logos and colour scheme are unique. There are many different, additional and better features. However, there may be a similar feel due to some common basics all social networking platforms have. It’s just like asking Toyota or BMW why they have an accelerator or gear box when Mercedes have them. Well, these are the basic essentials but their designs, models and basically the products are different.

    Now finally if this was a breach of any of the copyrights of FB (which itself had to settle out of court for its STEALING of the orignal idea) than let FB take legal action. What is the prob?.

    My major objection is that to be neutral you should have beside carrying out the above basic research (which even a reader like me can do) should ahve spoken with the MFB admin to get their take on it. You cannot claim to be rational and professional without doing your homework.

    I hope you’d take courage and show morality by accepting this mistake of yours and contact MFB, take their response, than feel free to write and we woul support you. But this way you are just showing that traditional mentality of self-bashing and jealousy which has riddled us Pakistanis since ever.

    I look forward to a more considerate response from you.Recommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Atif

    @ shoaib I’ve copied the relevant data from the reach tab of alexxa for you. This is latest and see the change in FB’s fortunes for yourself (you seem a decent bloke and it is a shame that this piece was so ill-researched).

    You can see FB’s traffic has dropped from a positive increase of 10.11% over 3 months to a decrease, -0.3% to be precise. Now there may be other reasons but this shows that they got their figures right.

    Unfortunately you and with you Tribune DID NOT. Now do you have the moral courage to accept your mistake and appologise or would you still argue and make up some excuses?

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/facebook.com

    Percent of global Internet users who visit facebook.com:
    Reach Change
    Yesterday 33.41000 -0.3% Change in Reach over the trailing 1 day period
    7 day 33.54000 +0.1% Change in Reach over the trailing 7 day period
    1 month 33.37000 +1.33% Change in Reach over the trailing 1 month period
    3 month 32.90500 +10.11% Change in Reach over the trailing 3 month periodRecommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Atif

    The promised replies are as below:

    Source: http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/cutting-the-edge/2010/06/13/islam-has-a-branding-problem-millatfacebook-ceo/#comments

    Islam has a branding problem: Millatfacebook CEO

    Excerpts:
    Why did you launch Millatfacebook?

    In protest of the blasphemous, anti-social and hypocritical events of ridiculing Prophet Muhammad which were supported by Facebook. Despite requests from hundreds of thousands of users, who reported the pages to Facebook, let alone taking any action they (Facebook) didn’t even bother to reply. They did reply to media though, saying that they fully supported these events and would do so in the future in the name of freedom of expression.

    It’s very strange as the same Facebook administration speaking to the same media only last year stated that they cannot allow such abuse and hatred directed on the basis of religions and races. The only difference was that time it wasn’t about Islam but the Holocaust and racism (which we denounce too).

    We should all express our freedom and rights with sensibility, care and consideration for our fellow human beings. My freedom shouldn’t mean that I go out on the street and start hitting my neighbour every day and say “that’s my freedom”. No, that would be an assault as for all internationally accepted laws and regulations.

    Freedom of a person ends where the freedom of another person starts. So why is it that when it comes to the Holocaust or racism, this rule is respected but when it comes to the Muslim faith, it’s not? Is it the new Holocaust for Muslims in the making? The signs are the same.

    Why call it “Facebook”?

    Good question. Actually it is called Millatfacebook and that’s because just like a picture conveys more than a thousand words, it conveys, without speaking a single word what we are about which is: “the rival and alternate Facebook created by Muslims for all the decent people of all faiths to come together and interact in a socially responsible and considerate manner.”

    And we are not against Facebook name but the hate-mongering, Islamophobic and anti-humane policies of the Facebook administration.Recommend

  • shobz

    @Atif: It is the classic case of the Kettle Calling the pot black yet again. When a person is unable to accept someone’s opinion they resort to calling it childish which ironically is childish on their part. It also amuses me that each time someone thinks out of the box and writes something different he is accused of being either some “American” agent or playing to his “foreign” godfathers.In this situation we can see who needs to grow up. My entire post is based on the stuff listed on the home page and my take on it. Alexa is a good tool for traffic analysis but it’s not a benchmark to check the user base of a person. There is no way it can be used to verify the number of people who are registered with the website.Furthermore I have been monitoring the traffic stats for the website on Alexa even before I wrote this piece. The traffic had only peaked before the ban and dropped down drastically after it was revoked. So far I can only see them going down the charts. As far as the Yahoo filter issue comes I realised that no one bothered to mention the fact that MFB used yahoo as a tool to spam other people. That would only explain why they have triggered their filters. You can see that email systems have become a bit more intelligent now in order to fight spammers.Other social networks use a tool which generates an automated email to invite other people. It is a totally different story to use free email to spam others with invites. There is no network in the world which will allow you to use their system to spam others with offers especially with a url in their subject line. It is their duty to prevent unsolicited email. MFB isn’t an entirely original idea when they have borrowed quite a few elements from FB such as borrowing their name and adding millat to it. They also had a home page which was quite similar to the facebook home page and some features which they had actually tried to improvise. Not all social network models are the same but then this one was a bit too close to home. They could have chosen any other name but yet they had to add facebook to it. I guess you did not see the sarcasm in my post. MFB claims that FB is putting pressure on their service provider. We haven’t heard anything from FB about it so that claim has no credibility so far. I guess you do not get sarcasm otherwise you would have understood why I gave that answer. My post was based on the insane claims made by the MFB on their home page. It made sense to look them up and verify if they were true or not. You are welcome to give your feedback but then I still stand by my post. Pity that when you criticize something you are labelled as jealous. I have the right to criticize something as much as I want if I feel the need to do so as much as you have the right to voice your opinion.Recommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Atif

    why my other comments with stats from alexa and refute to covert not published? Is dissent not allowed here anymore?Recommend

  • http://tribune.com.pk Jahanzaib Haque

    @all Please do not post duplicate comments or attack an individual. Any posts making accusations about a person’s race, ethnicity, religion, gender will be deleted. Best regards (Web Editor)Recommend

  • Raza

    I don’t know why people are taking valid (and in my opinion productive) criticism as an expression of jealousy? The problem with MillatFacebook is not with the idea but their execution. As I said before other than overwhelming similarities with facebook(and I just noticed another rip off of ‘yes we can’ from Obama’s infamous presidential campaign), these guys in simple terms don’t know to effectively carry a business idea forward. Their choice of openly using derogatory sentimental statements and conspiracy theorist beliefs frankly doesn’t make me jump on my seat and call all my friends to propagate this ‘unique’ idea. I urge you to honestly take a moment and decide if you have ever seen anyone promoting their product like that? I agree with Shoaib that it does infact look like a ‘militant group ready to regroup’. If everyone in support of these petty rhetoric think that in this day and age, that’s the right way to present pakistan on the global stage, then I am sorry I ain’t buying this crap. I’ll be more than happy to switch if it can compete on its own merit without all the jingoism shoved down my throat.Recommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Atif

    @ Shoaib Chill bro. I’m glad you replied with better reasoning. Let’s try to reach a conclusion positively. No need to get so touchy my friend. Can I ask you where were you out of the box?. Being satirising someone baselessly is not out of the box thinking to me.

    You totally have the right to criticise just like everyone else. However being a journalist you have some moral duties, one of which requires you to contact the relevant part in a story and do a complete research.

    Your arguments are really funny to me as you are fine with accepting the facebook claim of millions of users but need an audit from MFB. Can you see the biased approach here? Well I can certainly. In the absence of info to the contrary there is no reason to doubt their figures.

    And btw should you have been an MFB member before it was blocked on FB’s pressure there was complete list of members in the search function. So all the members including myself can vouch for the number.

    Now re Alexa I agree it cannot give the figures of members but you can see the traffic from there to give you an idea.

    MFB peaked not due to the ban but rather before it was blocked as you would be aware it is now moved out of USA to ensure it is outside of the direct political influence of FB.

    Furthermore isn’t it amazing that although the site is not yet transferred and fully back but its Alexa ranking is increasing every day?.

    I do understand that having lived in west, we find it unbelievable to accept such miraculous growth and the claims they have made. We just cannot believe that sane people would launch such attacks but than again the religious bigots who started ridicule of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) cannot exactly be termed sane but hate mongering bigots. I hope you’d agree on this.

    As for yahoo, it is totally wrong. Infact I was forwarded a copy from yahoo mail saying that they were blocked as their site contained “objectionable” material. when asked what was that so they can remove it yahoo refused to point out.

    Now if we go by your argument “There is no network in the world which will allow you to use their system to spam others with offers especially with a url in their subject line” than please explain to me why yahoo is sending FB emails with URL’s in the title?.

    I hope you can see where you went wrong now. And I fully appreciate the satire or humour. However my friend this post wasn’t meant to be taken as a joke but a serious take on MFB.

    I’m sure a decent person like yourself will now accept that you should have taken the point of view of all parties involved (atleast tried to) as well as performing a comprehensive research.

    In the end I’d like to refer to that Hadith of Prophet (PBUH) in which he said to the effect that a Believer is one who expect good intentions from another believer unless they are proven to the contrary.

    Thanks for your reply in advance.Recommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Catherine

    Can the author tell me which is the largest nation among MFB members? I’m sure he cannot as he seems to have not carried out the proper research.

    The answer to this question refustes one of his biggest “out of the box” argument.Recommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Atif

    Also Shoaib
    I’d like you to see the cause of MFB and not whether it was original or not.

    As for the name I’ve copied a reply above and I believe it is a genuine and effective reason and once sufficient number of muslims and decent people of other faiths gather at MFB, they can and will change the name too. (Please do read my reply re name above before answering this).Recommend

  • S.A.R.A

    My question to all the pro MillatFacebook reader is, why is the site carrying the name “facebook” which is a brand name of a company and not a generic word. 2ndly, why is the site hosted in the USA?Recommend

  • http://ykhan.wordpress.com Yasser

    That’s what happens when you steal the entire code and rewrite it. There is also a PHP script in the market which can be modified to fit your own needs

    lol – above line shows how technical the writer is? knows nothing about it and claiming himself half Bill Gates

    dude shoaib, you can also argue Mark why he didn’t create the PHP platform himself and you should put the question mark on him why he using captcha third party free library to block the spam and the list goes on.

    on the other hand, i don’t buy millat facebook either but at the same time i regret the curiosity of this post which purpose is just to write for the sake of writing – never mind author :)Recommend

  • shobz

    Once again I have to resort to a reply:

    1. I am not the one getting touchy here as I am merely addressing all the “allegations”.
    2.Some of these replies don’t even deserve an answer. I have already answered some of the questions and I dont want to sound like a broken record.
    3. I have been to MFB and registered there. There were only a handful of people around.
    4. Facebook is a global brand name now and there are services such as Nielsen Stats and Comscore which measure all these statistics (hence the reason why we know why there are so many facebook users). Oh Btw did you know they are no.2 in the Alexa traffic list?
    5. Alexa: There is a slight fluctuation in the numbers all the time. A minute dip does not have anything to do with the loss of users but merely a slight dip in traffic. Contrary to claims that MFB traffic has peaked, I can still see that the traffic ranking has gone down drastically. It seems that not everyone can interpret simple data.
    6. Yahoo: Facebook emails such as notifications for friend requests and inbox messages are automated and are authorized. They are with the consent of the user who is the only one to get them. Spam mail is unsolicited and unauthorized. Sending mass emails is classified as spam whether you include a url or not.
    7.Thinking out of the box: I would have applauded MFB if they had created a website which did not resort to such tactics to gain users. Where were they before the ban was in place? They could have done it in a better place without using religion as a platform to gain users. I have used naseeb and even though it had a few flaws it was not bad at all since it was a totally different experience for me. If MFB changes it’s name and creates something from scratch without resorting to baseless allegations I will gladly give it a try. We are the citizens of this world and we should try and end our differences with each other and yet we are resorting to a ghetto mentality of creating separate areas for ourselves. Hence this is the reason why I am thinking outside of the box.
    8.Facebook: I have already stated that I am not a fan of their double standards but then I do know that the network can also be used as a tool to promote peace and spread the message of Islam in a positive manner. I believe in self censorship and know what is right for me and what’s not.Recommend

  • http://www.bonvivantlifestyle.com Tehniat

    Whoa. What is happening here! Everyone please come back to your senses. Broaden your minds and try to listen to what the other person is saying.

    I myself am a student of Islam, Alhamdulillah. Firstly, Muslims don’t need “Millat Facebook” or any other social networking website for that matter, to unite. If Millat Facebook creators were so truer Muslims, they would have never created a networking site which would bring together non-mehram men and women together and encourage ‘dating’ and bringing them together. Rather they could have opened up a small school or madrassah and taught Islam to them. Proper Islam, Islam which has been taught to us by our Prophet S.A.W.

    Secondly, somebody mentioned something about knowing everything by IP addresses. Mr.MFB creator, why in the world would CIA and Mossad use their own, real IP addresses? :/ Please, they are more sensible than us.

    Thirdly, about banning facebook. Well, we can use a little of our brains and use facebook for our own advantage. We can use it to bring awareness about our religion amongst the Muslims as well as the Muslims. But before doing all this, we need to correct our own selves, make ourselves a good Muslims first. We need to look like and be like true Muslims. So that no one can ever point a finger to us.

    And if we hate ‘Zionists’ or whatever so much, then we should stop getting impressed by them. Stop doing what they do, stop acting like them. in the end, we are buying their products, watching their movies, listening to their songs. Rather encourage and invest in local businesses. But no, we’ll buy dollars for investment!

    P.S I have nothing personal against MFB nor am I a ‘chuddy buddy’ of Zuckerberg. It’s just about what is sensible and what is not. If you really want to do something for Muslims and crush the ‘Zionists’ then think calmly. Crush them, economically. Think about it, plan it. You don’t have to physically attack people always.

    I myself de-activated my account from Facebook. But have recently returned with the thought that I will use my account, to spread the word of God. And create more awareness about my religion amongst the non-Muslim friends I have added on Facebook. By acting violent, we are just proving what the non-muslims think of us, ‘threatening & violent’. Where as Islam is the religion of Peace. When you see something wrong, stop it. But do we do that (including me)? Even I sometimes don’t stop my friends from listening to songs thinking k ‘ye kya sochien gee’. Do we stop people who listen to music or women who do not observe purdah? Do we ban concerts? Do we encourage our children to attend Islamic lectures? Do we ban Co-Ed schools? Are we following the Sunnah of our Prophet S.A.W? Do we encourage men to pray in the mosque five times a day? Do we encourage our children to be regular and prayers and in reading Quran? When once we have done all this, only then we can call ourselves Muslims. Before pointing at others, we need to look at ourselves.Recommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Sajjad

    @ Tehniat we got to start somewhere. This is no argument that if we are doing one good we cannot do any good deed. Start doing the good and try to start leaving the bad ones.

    The Prophet (PBUH) used the same mechanics. For example Liquor wasn’t banned overnight.

    First it was said its disavantages outweight its advantages.

    Than it was ordered not to pray when under its influence.

    Finally it was declared Haram.

    So it got to be step by step. Encourage the good deeds as NO ONE is perfect but should strive to improve.Recommend

  • http://tribune.com.pk Jahanzaib Haque

    @all comments with ad hominem attacks will be deleted. Please stick to the topic and do not include personal attacks. Best regards (Web Editor)Recommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Atif

    Shoaib and for general info:

    1. Being a Muslim we are believers and proud of it. Now a believer follows what they believe in not edit them. right?.

    Than self sensorship, e.t.c. can be an argument to satisfy ourselves but certainly not what Allah has ordered us. The Islamic perspective on the ridicule of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is as below (and please remember FB admin told BBC and Fox news that they fully support these events and will in future too in the name of freedom of speech)

    ISLAMIC PERSPECTIVE:

    * Islam RESPECTS all the Prophets and the Holy Books.
    * It is ordered not to defame the God’s of ANY religion
    * Islam tolerates the criticism on Islam and discusses any objections.
    * But as far as any ridicule of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is concerned, the rule is clear ……. FINISH OFF THE “FITNAH” (Cause of unrest) ………………..
    * It is a long reasoning as to the reasons for the order, which are beyond the scope of this discussion.

    2. None of the tolls you mentioned tell how many members are there so if we need audit from one site to verify their claims so is applicable to the other too.

    3. My friend you are unfortunately wrong. Though the traffic flow decreased after the site was made not fully operation to move it OUT of the USA, the Alexa ranking is improving with every day. Please check yourself it is now 15,386 (perhaps need to see the things beyond graph only ;) )

    @ Sara please see the response above re your answer. And do read this interview:

    http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/cutting-the-edge/2010/06/13/islam-has-a-branding-problem-millatfacebook-ceo/#comments

    I believe I replied to you before somewhere. Recommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Atif

    Continued:

    4. The Alexa figures are NOT for a minute dip but for over a 3 month period which certainly shows a HUGE LOSS of traffic by FB. I’ve reproduced the data below for convinience:

    #

    You can see FB’s traffic has dropped from a positive increase of 10.11% over 3 months to a decrease, -0.3% to be precise. Now there may be other reasons but this shows that they got their figures right.

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/facebook.com

    Percent of global Internet users who visit facebook.com:
    Reach Change
    Yesterday 33.41000 -0.3% Change in Reach over the trailing 1 day period
    7 day 33.54000 +0.1% Change in Reach over the trailing 7 day period
    1 month 33.37000 +1.33% Change in Reach over the trailing 1 month period
    3 month 32.90500 +10.11% Change in Reach over the trailing 3 month period

    5. As Yaser pointed out FB is using third-party software and we all know that they actually stole the idea of some harvard students and have only recently done an out-of-court settlement. Therefore this is a very weak defence.

    6. As for Yahoo, again you are falsely and baselessly accusing MFB. They do not and have never indulged in spamming. And if you read my post again I mentioned to you what they said in their replies. Please give me your email and I’ll send you copies of their emails that have been forwarded to me. Atleast than you would realise how big is this and that this is not conspiracy theory but what is actually happening. Unfortunately some of our people like yourself are oblivious to it though.

    7. I hope following answers your question about the name:

    Why call it “Facebook”?

    Good question. Actually it is called Millatfacebook and that’s because just like a picture conveys more than a thousand words, it conveys, without speaking a single word what we are about which is: “the rival and alternate Facebook created by Muslims for all the decent people of all faiths to come together and interact in a socially responsible and considerate manner.”

    And we are not against Facebook name but the hate-mongering, Islamophobic and anti-humane policies of the Facebook administration.Recommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Atif

    8. The purpose is that MFB is becoming a serious threat to FB, who in its pride hypocritically violated its own terms to encourage and support ridicule of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) while deleting accounts of users putting up admire hitler pages. Try recalling what FB was like when it was launched. Let us all unite and support for MFB and as you should appreciate they are improving and am sure will improve a lot in future.

    9. The objection re ghetto someone raised is addressed below:

    Aren’t you creating a social networking ghetto?

    A ghetto? No, no, no…not at all. On the contrary we are offering an alternate platform where people of all faiths can come in harmony and interact besides also try to understand Muslims for what they really are and not what the popular biased propaganda portrays.

    And this is based on the teachings of our Prophet Muhammad who created multi-religion communal harmony through “Mesaq-e-Medina” (Accord of Medina) which ensured that people of all faiths, be it Muslims, Jews, Pagans or any other, lived in peace and harmony. Millatfacebook is based on those same principles so creating any ghetto is certainly out of question.

    10. And finally the reply to those who think they capitalised on something. It is funny coz I don’t see a single revenue earning thing yet and they are poruing in resources. Even if they were to earn so what better than giving it to Mr. Zukerberg’s FB.

    Aren’t you capitalising on Islam-under-attack rhetoric?

    No, absolutely not. In Islam, the most important thing is the intention. Our intention, as explained before, is to lodge our protest in a positive and practical way, make an example out of the indecent and hypocritical FB and provide an alternate to decent people of all faiths specially Muslims.

    And even in material terms we are pouring in our resources on this venture without any expectations of returns whatsoever. If there maybe any future returns, so be it but that is neither the reason nor the prime objective.Recommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Sajjad

    @ Admin you delted my entire reply to tehniyat. This is so unfair you can say you only want to support favourable responses no matter how shallow. If you ahd any objection you should have edited the relevant part only.

    Have courage to publish this atleast.

    1. And tehniyat bibi now briefly you can go on Zionist owned “dating site” for preaching so why do you think MFB cannot be used for this?

    2. And being a muslim ahve you heared bt this Hadith of Prophet (PBUH) in which he said to the effect that a Believer is one who expect good intentions from another believer unless they are proven to the contrary.

    3. Before asking others to boycott everything zionist why don’t you start with boycotting the zionist owned FB first?

    4. If muslims dont need any social networking site what are you doing on FB? you cannot preach anywhere else?

    5. MFB is created with the intention to unite muslims and decent people of other faiths and call them to the religion of peace. If someone misuses it its between them and Allah as all the deeds are dependant on intentions and no human can judge the intention fo others.

    6. Exactly my point. That CIA?Israelis either think every1 in muslim world is stupid or oblivious or they are so fear-less that they know out sell-out rulers and elite won’t dare take any action against them. It is like putting salt on wounds that yes we are doing it do what you can do about it.

    NO ONE is judging you that is ONLY for Allah to do. This is just for knowledge.Recommend

  • Shobz

    All I can see are rheotorics here. Why don’t you write a post in defence of MFB so that you can give your version?Recommend

  • shobz

    @Atif: Facebook has been around for a long time and it has a healthy number of members. If a website claims a number of users they can be only verified by an independent third party; which in the case of facebook has been verified each time. I have yet to see any figures for MFB.

    Alexa Figures: These are the figures for facebook
    Yesterday 34.13000 +2.1%
    7 day 33.57000 +0.2%
    1 month 33.40000 +1.36%
    3 month 32.93600 +10.15%

    If you can see the figures on the left that’s what counts the most as they signify the percent of the global audience who visit it.

    Furthermore Zuckerberg did not steal his code from someone but he welshed on a deal to provide them with code he was working on. He is guilty of a crime of not fulfilling his verbal agreement to make a website for the connectU website. He may have been unethical but the code was his own.

    I know what you mean when yahoo sends that response because I understand what sort of a trigger is generated when you try to send spam. Facebook won’t allow you to spam and will suspend your account. The same situation works for Yahoo as well.Recommend

  • http://ykhan.wordpress.com Yasser

    Dear Shobz,

    i found some flaws in your post, hence i will criticize it, never mind.

    I have condemned Facebook for their double standards but did not endorse the ban on Facebook since I believe in Self Censorship. Only time will tell if the God fearing creators of MFB (who ironically sinned by stealing) will be able to deal with the legal and financial repercussion in the future

    i strongly condemn your comment {who ironically sinned by stealing), now give me any single programmer from Pakistan, India who never googled ever and copy pasted the code according to his requirement and what about pirated windows and books we used in Pakistan, how on earth can you sinned them just for using thrid party tool?

    don’t endorse the ban on Facebook since I believe in Self Censorship

    Then why are you posting articles like that as if you want MFB to be banned or forcing people not to use it, anyone should not have any problem if they create MFB or PFB (Pakistan Facebook) it’s up to them it’s their right, it’s good for young starts up i believe. Recommend

  • shobz

    @Yasser: This post was about MFB and not a piece about software piracy and ethics in the local software industry. MFB is just an example of intellectual property theft. :) I think you didn’t read my post properly so I would advise you not to jump to conclusions. There is no place in my post where I have asked for a ban on MFB.Recommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Atif

    Thanks for the reply Shoaib.No my friend you are not right.

    It is not just the number but the trend as identified by the % change which matters and shows how FB has suffered due to various reasons over the last few months.

    Can you please provide me sources and tell me who verified FB’s claims?

    Zukerberg was working on an integration part so you are right in that he deceived his seniors but also in this way stold a part of the code which was already developed by the time he was asked to replace the existing programmer who was leaving harvard.

    Anyway as I said lets focus on the goals. If your issue is that you believe they did not create it by themselves 100% neither did FB but atleast give them some time and I’m sure they will improve a lot. If you compare them with FB’s early days they have improved a lot in very little time.

    I hope we can positively conclude this here.Recommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Sajjad

    Atleast you can reply to catherine’s question which i’m copying below:

    Can the author tell me which is the largest nation among MFB members? I’m sure he cannot as he seems to have not carried out the proper research.

    The answer to this question refustes one of his biggest “out of the box” argument.Recommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Sajjad

    sobz good idea do tell me how can i get a post published in this tribune to debunk your “debunking”Recommend

  • FA

    I have followed the entire thread and all I want to say MFB defenders is that you should thank Shobz because there is at least someone who took some time out to critically analyze MFB and give you a common user’s perspective.

    All professionally responsible businesses make it a point to listen to their users and take everything positively rather than confront with them to prove their point. My friendly suggestion to MFB guys is to act in a similarly professional manner because the way they are behaving right now will do nothing but discourage others reading this conversation from joining MFB. Many of us criticize Facebook on a regular basis yet I have never seen Mark Zuckerberg or any of the FB team members bashing out anyone online just because they criticized FB.

    I as a potential MFB user would like all the weaknesses that Shoib pointed out to be addressed so that more and more people can consider using MFB but if MFB team resorts to personal attacks then I’m afraid, I would never want to give all my cyber social life and information in hands of such people.

    I got a chance to visit MFB when Facebook was blocked and all I saw there was a bunch of “FRAINDSHIP” seekers, nothing constructive, nothing that can positively portray our religion that we all claim to die for and kill others in the name of. As a result, I decided not to join, however, I’m glad MFB has revamped its main page now and it is not as distasteful as it used to be earlier.

    However, MFB still needs to go a long way to gain the kind of admiration and following that original and innovative ideas gain.

    Peace!Recommend

  • http://www.bonvivantlifestyle.com Tehniat

    Sir Sajjad: It’s not about preaching or not. What I am saying is the basis of MFB is wrong. They have formed a social network on Islamic basis, which is wrong since no where Islam supports that. And I have no right to judge people, neither am I doing that. You are right, I should not use FB, but when I am getting a chance to use it to my own benefit, why not? When it can become a source or preaching, why not? I am not boycotting FB because I think I can use it for my own advantage as well as my religion’s. Since so many people use it, I can spread Allah’s word around.

    FB wasn’t formed to unite Muslims, true. But why is MFB using wrong basis? Why is MFB saying that it is for Muslims? Why is it bringing Non-mehram men and women together? Kahin Islam mei likha hai k aap MFB banao? For the sake of the argument, I say that I am on FB and it is wrong. But why does MFB exist on the basis that it is to ‘unite’ muslims? Is it written somewhere? Or does Islam say that?

    “MFB is created with the intention to unite muslims and decent people of other faiths and call them to the religion of peace. If someone misuses it its between them and Allah as all the deeds are dependant on intentions and no human can judge the intention fo others”

    Agar aap ko shak hai k koi issay misuse karsakta hai, then why encourage it? It’s the same way as if you are giving them a chance to misuse.

    Oh and please spell my name correctly. It’s Tehniat. Thank you for your respectful comments, Sir. Ones mind should always be ready to listen to others opinions and you were patient enough to listen to mines. Thank you. :)Recommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Sajjad

    @ FA please write your full name. Your post hardly warrant a reply but let me answer somethings i guess should be annswered.

    Whether you join MFB or not is your matter as I’m not here for their promotions.

    I’m just really shocked by a huge bias and lack of objectivity in this piece. The answer to you are

    1. We are not MFB team but users like you so you better email them your suggestions :P

    2. I know atleast 40 people in my circle using MFb and all of them agree that it is the best social networking enviornment they have sees. What you experience depends on your circle and profile ofcourse.

    3. I’m all for constructive critiscm but where is that in sobz post?. It is all like a little school boy try to make fun of something to show how “cool” they are. This is journalism. Had he been responsible to contact MFB and do a proper research I’d be the first one to support him. As of now he’s jumping from one reason to another to defend this POORLY written piece.

    4. We are doing a constructive criticsm based on journalistic ethics and this should be encouraged and taken positively. I hope next time sobz would do his homework properly and actually contact relvant parties to describe facts and not something from fairyland. He didn’t even knew where the Mark’s Fb pinch facts were from and still couldn’t answer the question from catherine. This shows his “research”.Recommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Atif

    FA perhaps you should understand from the response here as well as the fact that within 2 weeks MFB gained 335,000 which is unique in history. Atleast I’m not aware of any such example before.

    Also in app 2 weeks Alexa ranked them at 16,000 and now they are close to 15,000 among OVER 6 Billion sites worldwide.

    This mean they got something. And re the propoganda of using the opp. It is completely wrong as Paksitanis are NOT even the largest group on MFB. It shows the response is Global and ban or no ban. MFb is here to stay and give FB a run for its money INSHALLAH.

    Also it’s sad that shoaib is not able to answer questions put by tribune’s readers here be it Catherine, John, Sajjad or others.

    This is because he did NOT do a proper research and DID not contacted MFB. It has resulted in a highly biased piece with only ONE valid observation which is not the centerpoint of the discussion.Recommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Catherine

    Can I atleast have my answer Shoaib?

    Which is the largest nationality in MFB users?. Please answer as it would prove you did not do a proper research. Also the answer will refute your biggest argument against MFB.

    Thank YouRecommend

  • RW

    I belong to a middle class background with religious family and all my life I saw people portraying themselves as the most righteous one while at the same time judging others, forcing their beliefs on them, linking anything and everything to islam. There is no tolerance, self-respect or common courtesy towards each other in our daily lives. I am a product of the same society and lived in pakistan for 24 years, but not until I saw who we truly were when I came abroad for pursuit of higher education. It felt as if someone thrown a bucket of hot water on me. I then realize what have we become as a society. And those (sitting in pakistan) are so out of line with the real world than no matter what anyone say or do won’t change our opinions and perceptions. I can vouch for that since I was once exactly like that. In my opinion the biggest problem is lack of education, exposure and opportunities for the masses. We need seriously end our obsession with looking at everything from the religious telescope and promote diversity of cultures and opinions, instead of closing our minds and heart toward rest of the world. I am sorry but a place like MFB is something we should not promote as it’s not only prying on pampered religious bigotry but also promoting differences that would further break us apart.Recommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Sajjad

    Admin what did I say wrong now why do you keep skipping my posts?

    Tehniat I wrote a detailed response to you and apparently they chunked it. Anyhow I’ll try to write again. For time being thanks for your nice comments and you are most welcomeRecommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Sajjad

    Just like to make a few points quickly:

    1. You cannot stop progress for the fear of misuse. It is not encouraging them. No where in Islam it says to stop progess if you fear some ppl can misuse it.

    2. Women are allowed to work in certain places following certain ways by your argument they wouldnt be allowed and you yourself are conversing with em a Non Mohram right now

    3. FB shouldnt be used under any pretext as they OPENLY SUPPORTED the ridicule of Prophet (PBUH) in their statements to BBC and Fox news. And MashAllah you are a student of Islam so please tell me what is the order in this situation? Is it to go and use the for “preaching” NO it is to Finish off the source of Fitnah (See Sahih Bukhari).

    You are a very nice person can’t you really see the hypocricy in using Zionist owned Fb but opposing MFB (your argument re basis has been answered before).

    Remember devil present wrong paths wrapped in beautiful ways. The best way is to consult Quran and Hadith May Allah guide us allRecommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Sajjad

    @ RW Religious people are ordered NOT to judge anyone this is only for Allah to do.Don’t need to say anything after this I guess ;)Recommend

  • shobz

    @Atif and Sajjad: I think I have answered all your queries so far and yet you claim that I havent answered a single one. Please read everything carefully. I sound like a broken record because I must have answered everything twice and yet you dont want to listen :) You have missed the whole point of my post over here. It was based on the “Facts” and big statements made by MFB. My job was to simply come up with the truth. Investigative Journalism is when a person digs for facts without letting the said entity know about it. If one obtains all the information from the entity then it would be more like a PR piece. It is really amusing to see you resorting to rhetorics each time you write a comment. You are really fixated on calling this a poorly written piece. It doesnt bother me because I know what I have written and your opinion wont bother me a bit because a lot of people out there know what the truth is. I am not jumping from one reason to the other. It’s merely you who is finding a reason to defend MFB and i have given you an explanation for each and everything. You have not given me any evidence of MFB having a big user base and yet you expect me to give you an obvious answer for a proven social network whose success can be vouched for by anyone. PS Please clarify what you mean by pinch facts? Is that even a legible term? It also seems to me that this post has struck a nerve with you. My facts have been proven but MFB is the one dishing out baseless facts which have no ground.Once again I would advise you to open your eyes and check out my response to everyone. I stand by this piece 100 percent and your criticism of it wont change my stance. You will stick to your stance and I will stick to mine. Meanwhile it’s my piece which has been published and everyone else can be the judge of that.

    @Catherine: It’s obvious that the largest number of users are in Pakistan due to all the traffic coming out from here. That was an obvious answer to an obvious question. Not answering it does not mean that my research has not been done.

    Guys please come up with better ways of attacking me. It’s no fun when you keep flogging a dead horse.Recommend

  • Zeesh

    Good job!!! Welldone!!! Well presented…Recommend

  • http://http//twitter.com/HaroonRiaz Haroon Riaz

    MFB was simply a website that capitalized on the “conspiracy” like many smart people do (every problem is an opportunity, remember the Marketing class), and a lot of people follow and help them achieve that.

    I think being upset about facebook not being sensitive to the feelings of Islamic people is absolutely nonsensical. Why talk about facebook if it is no good, we have our MFB, don’t we guys I am not for facebook seriously, it is only a social networking website.

    Besides, you would definitely prefer an “Islamic fraindship” request over a Zionist one.

    Understand: Both facebook and MFB are tools. It’s how you use them.

    I think in a sense the self-assuring thought that MFB guys are beating facebook and that many Pakistani users abandoning it will harm its business is healthy, since people need something to calm their anger down and to restore a state of greater self-esteem.

    I thought MFB was ridiculous when I first heard of it, and I still haven’t found a reason to change my mind when I landed on the homepage for hte very first time after reading this post, probably because I still am using my Zionist facebook account, where the good thing is that I saw a page called “Everybody Celebrate the Prophet Day”.

    But the lines on the Millat facebook homepage are hilarious and let you think that MFB are totally selling themselves on facebook hate, not a good marketing strategy in the longer run.

    Still I see no reason to criticize MFB as an idea itself, it’s alright that they should work to gather as much crowd as they can, who knows maybe I’ll end up there myself if I have no other choice.

    As for all the stats. It’s a matter of faith it seems, gathering from all the comments.

    Anyway, nice post mate! Keep up the good work and never stop speaking out.Recommend

  • Bashir

    Hi all,
    I have followed this completely and it is a very interesting debate.

    I think shoaib wrote a funny piece which was not intended to be taken seriously but just as fun.

    It seems to me to him the real issue is that he believe the intention of MFB is not right. Now who revealed it to him ? Maybe suspicions as it is not everyday muslims specially Pakistanis do things without any desire for return. So even when someone does it, it come as a surprise.

    a few points I’d like to make:

    i) I was one of the first members at MFB and have seen it grow. Just like in any networking site you had all the members available in the search. If the writer was a member as he claimed it seems he missed this point.

    ii) Can the writer confirm which entities confirmed the membership of facebook? as I have never heared of it

    iii) The largest group of members on Millat facebook are from Indonesia.

    Let me explain:
    Shoaib you need to realise that Alexa’s ranking in any country is with respect to the internet usage and sites in that country. A better ranking in Pak doesn’t mean that more people visit from it. For example Indonesia has higher population and net users than Pak. The no of sites there is also more. So it would take more Indonesians to join to achieve a higher ranking there compared to a country woth lesser no of net users.

    iv) Shoaib said: “More Imaginary Facts from the proud owners of Millat Facebook

    Mark’s FB was growing at 10.24% 3 months ago After their Backing and support of the Caricatures and the launch of Millat FACEBOOK, this dropped to 2.32% a month ago With Millat’s rising popularity, FB’s growth further slumped to 0.5% in the last 7 Days. The result is a decline from a 10.24% growth to the level of 0.5% ONLY. This is over 95% fall in their Growth and a SERIOUS KICK. The 10% approximate lost would account to 40 MILLION of the claimed 400 Million FB users, a HIT serious enough to get FB reeling.

    Rejoinder: I don’t know where they get their facts from.”

    This is iconic as all these facts can be seen from the Alexa site.

    My 2 cents on this.

    Anyway guys we should chill and not take it too seriously.Recommend

  • Bashir

    All in all I think we should support MFB as FB supported Draw Muhammad saww Day and this is a chance to try to bring down FB on its knees.

    Even if I see it from humanitarian perspective Fb followed hypocritical policies and is trying to provoke muslims.

    I work in a the IT dept of a Bank in London and am on my holidays in Pak. And after the launch of this I actually spoke with some of my British colleagues who congratulated me that for first time Pakistanis did something positive as a protest rather than destruction and burning.

    So let us gives these guys a pat on the back and support them. They may be some glitches but with time they would further improve. And being an IT professional myself I know how big this is and how much constant work it involves. So guys be patient and positive :)

    Bless you allRecommend

  • http://tribune.com.pk Jahanzaib Haque

    @all comments which are attack’s on a person’s character, religion, gender, ethnicity etc. and not the topic will be deleted. Best regards (Web Editor)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominemRecommend

  • Raj Malhotra

    Bashir we will see how cna you people bring down Fb. firstly it is a giant and secondly you pakistanis are not even a nation but divided people.Recommend

  • shobz

    @Bashir: Let me start off for saying that this piece was meant to address MFB claims. They have not been truthful and yet you all are only picking on a couple of facts which you consider to be true. If you had bothered to read the comments properly you would have seen my response. I can repeat it for if you like since you wont bother going through it (Nielsen Stats: which checks the demographics and Comscore are just part of the mix). Only a fool would not believe the user strength of facebook. If you are in IT I am sure you read periodicals which usually feature industry news.There are often reports about the numbers at facebook and other social networks.I have used MFB as well so I can make any statement I want since I have been inside the network. The “imaginary” facts published by MFB are not accurate. Traffic figures do not mean the drop of a user base. MFB has quoted figures from Alexa for their research to claim a big drop in usage for FB. A 95 percent drop in the user base is a bit too much dont you think. My problem is with their inaccurate interpretation of the facts. Infact when I visited Alexa again I can see that more users have accessed facebook since yesterday. The increase/decrease is all related to usage activity period. Now when you talk about Indonesia having a bigger population you should also take into account their internet population as well. I have only seen more Pakistanis on MFB so I still believe Pakistanis are in the majority there.Recommend

  • http://tribune.com.pk Jahanzaib Haque

    @Atif The job of the web desk is to moderate comments on This forum and to ensure attacks on person(s) are not made here. Best regards (Web Editor)Recommend

  • Bashir

    @shobz

    Point No 1. Nielsen Stats etc DO NOT provide confirmation of members do they?. So your argument is NOT right I’m afraid.

    Point No 2. The main argument around which you have based your thesis is that they have hidden intentions. And how would anyone know that?. Well their intentions is between them and God and there is no reason to be so suspicious without any hard evidence. It is just like I start saying that your intention for writing this piece is to either blackmail them or gain cheap publicity which ofcourse would be a suspicion just like yours without any basis.

    Point No 3. And being an IT professional I can tell you that you are NOT able to read the stats correctly. As I can see from Alexa and what is written on Millat Facebook, it says that the growth has been dropped not the overall user base. There is a huge difference between these two. The final hypothesis is a potential loss due to a material reduction in the growth. I hope it is more understandable now.

    “Mark’s FB was growing at 10.24% 3 months ago After their Backing and support of the Caricatures and the launch of Millat FACEBOOK, this dropped to 2.32% a month ago With Millat’s rising popularity, FB’s growth further slumped to 0.5% in the last 7 Days. The result is a decline from a 10.24% growth to the level of 0.5% ONLY. This is over 95% fall in their Growth and a SERIOUS KICK. ”

    Point No 4. This is a shallow argument that “I have used MFB as well so I can make any statement I want since I have been inside the network. ” This mean that since I’m using FlickR, twitter, myspace, by your argument I can make any statement about them. This could be the way of a layman but not a professional journalist and not certainly an IT professional

    Point No 5. As for your argument “There are often reports about the numbers at facebook and other social networks.”

    There are also reports in international media including Statesman, Hindustan Times, NDTV, Sunday Times, NY Daily Times and many more about the number of MFB members. So it is strange you are not ready to believe these reports while referencing reports for FB users. In case you are not aware of these reports I’ve provides the links below for you to check. I can provide dozens of references and have provided the 3 most readily available to me:

    “About 333,000 users have already signed up for millatfacebook.com (MFB) in less than 20 days after the site went live as an alternative to Facebook in Pakistan.”

    Source http://www.newstatesman.com/digital/2010/06/muslims-pakistan-welcome-site

    “The “halal” version of Facebook launched by Pakistanis last month after a ban was imposed on the social networking website for featuring blasphemous caricatures is going strong with 333,000 users having signed up at the last count.”

    Source http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/172/millat-facebook-debunking-the-facts/comment-page-2/#comment-502

    “ISLAMABAD: The “halal” version of Facebook — launched by Pakistanis last month after a ban was imposed on the social networking website for featuring blasphemous caricatures — is going strong with 333,000 users having signed up at the last count.”

    Source http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/news/internet/Facebook-Halal-a-rage-in-Pakistan/articleshow/6046716.cms

    Point No 6. I hope you will now accept that i’m talking on the basis of hard evidence. And while I don’t want to criticise you, it appears you missed vital research.

    Conclusion Anyway thanks as I enjoyed the discussion here seeing how much the aware the Pakistani public is now. Take care and bless you allRecommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Mahmood

    Shoaib bhai you got it all wrong. I’m going to criticise it so don’t mind. It is on the post not you. There is no evidence in your post. It is all based on hypotheseis and suspicions. How is this possible and how is that possible sort of arguments.

    Please read the following three and you will get answers to all your questions:

    Ratio Netherlands Worlwide – Pakistan launches
    Facebook for the faithful…
    http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/pakistan-launches-facebook-faithful

    New Statesman Confirms 330,000 Plus members of MFB
    http://www.newstatesman.com/digital/2010/06/muslims-pakistan-welcome-site

    HT interview addresses all the common critiscm of MFB including if its a ghetto, why used Facebook in their name, if they are a clone, etc etc etc
    http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/cutting-the-edge/2010/06/13/islam-has-a-branding-problem-millatfacebook-ceo/#commentsRecommend

  • http://www.millatfacebook.com Mohsin

    Hi all,
    I am a MFb user and only use my FB account to promote MFb. It is sad that some people don’t even know about our religion and feel ashamed. We all need to study it as it has all the logic and answers. Tell me why is it that there would be lawsuits on the defamation of even a sweeper but the defamation of the most holy prophet pbuh is encouraged and backed by isntitutions like fb and than some of our own people act as weaklings and try to jsutify to west as if they are the real world. Such people need to get a relaity check Asia is the next big thing.

    As for mfb i suggest this writer atleast speak with them and he would realise how wrong he is and there are still exceptions in this world. One of the main guys I know about has left his well settled career in Uk (is a chartered acocuntant and many things) just for this and said that I noe people say I m not doing the @intelligent@ thing materially but Im not bothered for the love of the Prophet saww is ultimate and more imp and Allah wont let me down even in this world.

    I hope we can all support MFB way to go team MFB we support youRecommend

  • Maxim

    hmmmmm Bashir man you floored him. Way to go bro. But I’m sure he would still not accept as he is not taking it positively but a personal attack. As for MFB I believe it is great and with time would improve further. I hope to see him there one day too. Also I liked haroon’s post except his baseless suspicions though i understand that perhaps he is cautious. Im sure one day he would be on MFB tooRecommend

  • Abdullah al Zahidi

    the new muslim facebook is good. we are proud of our pakistani brothers. do not be sad there have always been some people is muslims who followed outsiders. Stay focus you are doing a good job. May Allah be pleased with the team of Millat face bookRecommend

  • saher

    no isues with muslim face book or millat face book, but i disagree that popularity shud be gained using religion as a base and using it. be open let everyone in and show by ur behaviour that ur ae not a terrorist or sum1 imposing their decisions rather than stating it.Recommend

  • Ifrah Waqar

    You may take a bow Mr. Taimur…! =)

    All I can say is Thank You for being someone in this country who has a head and knows how to put it to good use…!!!

    A MUST READ…!!!Recommend

  • Atif

    @ saher You are right and that is exactly what Millatfaceboo.com has done. They have opened it to all, prohibited religious, race or hate attacks on anyone and invited everyone in the name of peace.

    If people have an issue coz its made by muslims and as a protest against the hypocritical policies of FB admin who told BBC & Fox news that it supported the ridicule competition directed at Prophet PBUH (in violation of its own policies) and refused to remove the offending content while the same FB administration was quick to delete acocunts of users who setup pages praising Hitler.

    It is high time Muslims and specially Pakistanis wake up and out of this self-satirising complex. Think out of the box and deal with the world on an equal footing. As Sushma Suraj (ex BJP Govt’s Indian Minister) said Peace unfortunately in this world, is only for the strong.Recommend

  • Atif
  • http://tribune.com.pk Jahanzaib Haque

    @Atif it is redundant to repeat the topic. Best regard (Web Editor)Recommend

  • bashir butt

    good post more more amusing is the comments section. the site is a complete rip off. there is zero innovation. doing a “chappa” takes a couple of days but building something new can take time, money, and a brain trust. given the talent in pakistan it is immensely sad the way we channel that talent. if someone offends you, you need to up the game and engage with them. not just cut yourself off and say “hum nahein khelte”. this garbage about conspiracies is what’s dragging this country down. there is no conspiracy against MFB. it has 300k members. whoppee. Recommend

  • shobz

    @Bashir:

    Point 1:Please read my comments carefully as I have mentioned the fact that Nielsen stats are more for the demographics. I am sure you have heard of Nielsen which provides insights to over 90% of global internet activity and internet data about audiences, advertising, video, and consumer activity. It is more important to measure the activities of an active user base rather than having a bunch of people who do not use their accounts. They have a very sophisticated system of measuring all that and coming up with the figures for an “Active” user base. You can liken this argument to free webmail services such as hotmail which would get suspended after a period of inactivity.

    Point 2: It is not me accusing them outright of hidden intentions as they have used inaccurate facts to try and gain some publicity for themselves. I am afraid the only way this is getting publicity is with the constant comments in support of MFB. I can choose to ignore this as I have a life but then it seems more fun to engage in a debate which will never be resolved till hell freezeth over.
    Point 3: I am so glad that you finally came to the conclusion that it’s a loss of potential growth. However as you said Alexa figures are only for user activity and not user base so that point is moot. :)
    Point 4: If I have used MFB and checked out how it works then I do have a right to form my personal opinion about it dont i? The argument about being an IT professional is a bit lame dont you think as everyone has the right to criticize something he/she doesn’t like. It does not mean that there is some hidden code of conduct by some secret society of IT professionals where they have to love each other’s work no matter what.
    Point 5: There is a difference between an investigative report and a report in some newspaper which you pick off from any wire service. If I declare 500,000 users for some service of mine and send out some press release everyone will pick up on that. I am sure you read PC world or other magazines where there is usually some piece about the NPD who measures the video games market to verify the number of console sales, something about the search engine market share, browser market share as well as social networks.
    Point 6: Mr Bashir the only “hard” evidence MFB has are Alexa stats which is the weakest way to support an argument. It should look at it’s own usage stats instead of pointing fingers at others.Recommend

  • S.A.R.A

    ok few more qustions to the smart ppl in favour of MFB: Why did Millatfacebook crop up just as LHC had placed the ban? 2. Why did the lawyers of LHC celebrate the opening of MFB 3 days after the original ban was in place? 3. How does MFB know that it was M. Zuck.. responsible for the DOS attack? 4. if MFB is for the millat, and for uniting the UMMAH, then we should not expect any advertisements on it? as it would not be fair then… right?Recommend

  • http://www.rankmeme.com Ali

    I don’t really care about Facebook or Millat Facebook ..but @Atiff, why “MillatFacebook”, you could have called it “FriendsPlanet”. Simple!Recommend

  • Atif

    @ Ali Good question. Actually it is called Millatfacebook and that’s because just like a picture conveys more than a thousand words, it conveys, without speaking a single word what MFB is about which is: “the rival and alternate Facebook created by Muslims for all the decent people of all faiths to come together and interact in a socially responsible and considerate manner.”

    And no one is against social networking or the word Facebook but the hate-mongering, Islamophobic and anti-humane policies of the Facebook administration.Recommend

  • Raheela

    Guys anyone watched the MFB documentary on Aljazeera It was awesome. New heights are been reached. Theres a new design as they promised and an open forum too. I hope they complete their transfer out of USA soon. Can’t wait to be abck thereRecommend

  • Riaz

    I watched and am proud of being a Pakistani.Recommend

  • Riaz

    S.A.R.A good questions. As I have the good fortune of knowing the facts and not mysths mayb I can try to help you.

    Why did Millatfacebook crop up just as LHC had placed the ban?

    It did not. It was created on 26th May and formally launched. This was almost a week after the ban. And I think I read somewhere that people were complaining to those involved abt having no alternate to meet their genune needs to contact their loved ones.

    2. Why did the lawyers of LHC celebrate the opening of MFB 3 days after the original ban was in place?

    Again it was 7 Days not 3. Secondly coz it was in line with their and every muslims objective. A positive and peaceful protest in practical terms against the hypocritical and islamophobic FB administration.

    3. How does MFB know that it was M. Zuck.. responsible for the DOS attack?

    Like every home has an address in internet world thee identification is done with IP addresses. These are purchased, owned and registered by large institutions. They have IP addresses involved in the attack logged which were registered and owned by them, therefore tracked back to them.

    4. if MFB is for the millat, and for uniting the UMMAH, then we should not expect any advertisements on it? as it would not be fair then… right?

    No not right. But there is NO advertising on them despite the members asking to. As we do know it is not cheap to run. So even if they were to I’d be fine with it. It would be for the funding of the site. Even if it was more than funding reuirement so what.?. It would go to people who respect prophet PBUH and not insult him rather than those who take strict action against hitler praisers (not even part of any religion) but claim to international media that they do and will support insults of Muhammad PBUH to “promote” freedom of speech.Recommend

  • Catherine

    Mr. Taimur you didn’t even knew the basic answer.

    It is Indonesia. If you were a member you would have seen that through the advanced research feature.

    “Great” resarch :)

    And guys I hope someone can post that Aljazeera program on MFB as we don’t have their Arabic channel here. I’ve heared it was quite impressive. Please do post or tell me if you have a link to it.Recommend

  • Bashir

    @Shobz

    Point 1: You are right but they do NOT provide you confirmation of membership. Do they? Therefor the question is still there. You are not able to confirm the membership be it of FB or MFB yourself.

    Point 2: This is a funny argument of yours. How can you judge and who gave you the right to do so?. Similarly it can be said that you wrote this blog to gain cheap publicity which you are for your first ever blog. Up till now you have not been able to prove any single of MFB claims wrong but I can see many readers have proven you wrong on many of your “facts”.

    Point 3: I don’t get what point you are trying to make. That is what I’m telling you that its a loss of growth and that what you didn’t understood and outraged by “supposedly” claim of user loss. This is a loss of growth for FB which you can say is a loss of “potential” user base as well as some existing.

    Point 4: Ofcourse you have a right of personal opinion but when one is doing something professional there personal opinions take backseat to the technical considerations as well as facts and figures. Hope you understood now what I meant.

    Point 5: Fair Enough. But you want to source similar general reports to backup the FB claims (remember the publications you asked me to look into) and now with MFB you suddenly remembered its not investigative. Isn’t this a difference of approach. Strange are the ways of self-proclaimed “scholars”.

    Point 6: I’d disagree. There are reports in all international media re they being a hit, there user base, Alexa ccertainly is a very reputable source and a lot of members are vouching for the no of members as experienced in the search facility.

    I think despite it been obvious you are reluctant to accept the truth and your mistake. My advise would just be that accepting an error paves path for good and doesn’t make one any less of a man.

    All the best for your future writings and please do carry out detailed research rather than basing everything on assumptions.Recommend

  • Bashir

    I watched the Aljazeera program a bit. Missed the first half though. Good to see the MFB team and their professional setup. :)Recommend

  • Atif

    I like bashir sahibs post very logical and based on reasons and proofs unlike the author despite several refutals will not accept that he missed out vital researched and this blog was based on ad hominem attacks and perceptions based on doubts.

    Anyway way to go express tribuneRecommend

  • Sikander

    Wake up Shobz. And I’m saying this as a brother.

    When FB was launched where was it? It really sadens me to see the self-pitying Pakistanis who think we are good for nothing. Millat is doing awesome and soon you will see it yourself INSHALLAH. We Pakistanis are the best pls come out of self satirising mentality my friend.

    In addition to that also check out the following:

    Ratio Netherlands Worlwide – Pakistan launches Facebook for the faithful…
    http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/pakistan-launches-facebook-faithful

    Pakistan’s millatfacebook becoming popular
    http://www.newstatesman.com/digital/2010/06/muslims-pakistan-welcome-site

    Islam has a branding problem: Millatfacebook CEO
    http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/cutting-the-edge/2010/06/13/islam-has-a-branding-problem-millatfacebook-ceo/#comments

    & Finally specially for you:

    Is “Left” the new “Right”?
    http://omerzaheermeer.wordpress.com/2010/06/28/is-left-the-new-right/Recommend

  • zakir khan

    I dont have time to go through the whole thread. Why not we stick to some basic guidlines. Any thing Pakistani, we must appreciate. It may have it flaws but being a Pakistani, we shall encourage them, show them the weak points and help to improve them. Instead we make fun of it and try to influence ourselves as whatever comes from the west is the only way forward.

    Let it be crap but if its a Pakistani effort, all my respect and applause for them. Keep going MFB.Recommend

  • imran

    Birth and Launch of Millat Facebook:
    Millat FB was launched by a team of Pakistani Muslims by working round the clock within just 2-3 days and Launched it Globally
    Vs
    Mark Zukerberg’s Zionist FB which took YEARS to develop and ran as a prototype for years. Than was registered in 1997 and it wasn’t until a YEAR LATER in 1998 that they could formally launch it.
    Response and Growth:
    Within 15 Days MFB had over 318,000 members forming its community
    VS
    FB who in the ENTIRE FIRST MONTH could manage ONLY 3,000
    World Ranking:
    The most reputable internet stats provider Alexa Ranked MFB 18,860th site out of over 6 BILLION WEBSITES within JUST One and a Half week.
    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/millatfacebook.com
    VS
    The Zionist owned FB which took 6 years to gain popularity
    Visit and join us: http://www.Millatfacebook.comRecommend

  • Xaad

    I didn’t know CIA publishes a public directory of all IP addresses they use, so they can carry out DDos attacks and victims can figure out, oh it was CIA ..! This is absolutely RidiculousRecommend

  • amurtza96

    I found this informative and want to share with such a knowledgeable people like you

    Below is some information from a reputable site which you may find exciting.

    An Extract of the information from the link below (as of 18th October 2010 – there are slight daily fluctuations):
    • If Millatfacebook.com was a country it would be bigger than Greenland and Cayman’s Islands based on daily traffic
    • 1 in every 29,070 internet users visits MFB daily
    • Per CONSERVATIVE estimate, app 60,000 Unique visitors Daily

    http://www.sharenator.com/w/millatfacebook.com

    You will find more information including the geographical breakdown from the link above.
    In addition, it might be worth mentioning here that MFB is ONLY social networking site in the world where more than 2/3 rd of the users spend OVER 2 Hours which is pretty unique.

    It is also worth mentioning here that MFB is constantly improving and innovating. Not only does MFB offer all the features that any other social network does but many additional and unique ones like:
    • Free Live TV
    • Bulletins
    • Shout Box
    • Public Chat Rooms
    • Recipes Feature
    • e.t.c

    This is in additional to all the usual features where all members have their walls, ability to search and/or invite their friends, emailing, creating groups, fan pages, blogs, polls, putting status, sharing videos, sharing pictures, staying connected, e.t.c

    We know the journey is long but one we are well onto and with our strict respect for User’s privacy, MFB is placed well ahead of any social network.

    Kind Regards,

    Omer Zaheer Meer
    ACCA (UK), BSc (Hons) (UK), CAT (UK), Adv. Financial Diploma (UK),
    Certified Anti-Money Laundering Specialist (UK) & Certified CSM (LCCI & SMEDA – PAK)

    Professional Associations: PRIMA (USA), ACCA (UK), PRMIA (USA), UKSIP (UK), CFAI (USA), LCCI (PAK) & MPDD (PAK)Recommend

  • irfanahmed

    I found this informative and want to share with such a knowledgeable people like you

    Below is some information from a reputable site which you may find exciting.

    An Extract of the information from the link below (as of 18th October 2010 – there are slight daily fluctuations):
    • If Millatfacebook.com was a country it would be bigger than Greenland and Cayman’s Islands based on daily traffic
    • 1 in every 29,070 internet users visits MFB daily
    • Per CONSERVATIVE estimate, app 60,000 Unique visitors Daily

    http://www.sharenator.com/w/millatfacebook.com

    You will find more information including the geographical breakdown from the link above.
    In addition, it might be worth mentioning here that MFB is ONLY social networking site in the world where more than 2/3 rd of the users spend OVER 2 Hours which is pretty unique.

    It is also worth mentioning here that MFB is constantly improving and innovating. Not only does MFB offer all the features that any other social network does but many additional and unique ones like:
    • Free Live TV
    • Bulletins
    • Shout Box
    • Public Chat Rooms
    • Recipes Feature
    • e.t.c

    This is in additional to all the usual features where all members have their walls, ability to search and/or invite their friends, emailing, creating groups, fan pages, blogs, polls, putting status, sharing videos, sharing pictures, staying connected, e.t.c

    We know the journey is long but one we are well onto and with our strict respect for User’s privacy, MFB is placed well ahead of any social network.

    Kind Regards,

    Omer Zaheer Meer
    ACCA (UK), BSc (Hons) (UK), CAT (UK), Adv. Financial Diploma (UK),
    Certified Anti-Money Laundering Specialist (UK) & Certified CSM (LCCI & SMEDA – PAK)

    Professional Associations: PRIMA (USA), ACCA (UK), PRMIA (USA), UKSIP (UK), CFAI (USA), LCCI (PAK) & MPDD (PAK)Recommend

  • imran

    Eye opener – Are you being profiled? – Reality of Facebook everyone should know – CIA Profile Database?
    Eye-opener – Are you being profiled? –
    Reality of Facebook everyone should know – CIA Profile Database
    http://millatfacebook.com/bulletin/view/id_9876/
    Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpLNlSKugHw&feature=related
    Sop it’s a time to join fully privacy protected http://www.Millatfacebook now Recommend

  • raza

    Join this Group “United against Facebook’s ridiculing Prophet(P.B.U.H)
    Islam & now Holy Quran

    http://millatfacebook.com/group/united-against-facebook-ridiculing-prophet-pbuh-islam-and-now-quran/

    I hope you will do this , it takes not more then 2 minutes or 5 minutes if you have very slow internet connection. I think it is a nice idea to have alternative social site for the muslim people.
    This is an excellent effort by Muslims. I will request to all of my friends to join this social site, which is purely our own.
    From
    raza
    Recommend

  • Vincent Secret

    oops did i miss somthing where exactly are MFB team members here????? I know the admins and founder Mr. Omer Zaheer Meer but did not see them here so is it that u are assuming and accusing?Recommend

  • Talha

    Asallaaam o Alaikum
    A New Social Networking Website RisingUmmah.com has been launched for Muslims and Peaceful people from all other faith and belief. Its not Rival of any other social networking site and also not restricted for Muslims.
    JazakAllah
    http://www.risingummah.com Recommend

  • Waqar

    Everyone who is supporting MFB i just wana say him just go and see wats happening there, the Admins r just using the Name of Islam to become hero, they r really misbehaving with the members, they dont respect the members, and whoever oppose them they ban him/her. They Daily allot of users just to strengthen their dictatorship. Yesterday was MFB 1st anniversary, and i think MFB admins will celebrate next anniversary alone. I know MFB admins r here with difrent Names, i just wana tell All of those who r supporting MFB that the cause behind MFB is not wat they r telling. They r characterless people and InshAllah soon will b killed by some MFB member. Recommend