Veena Malik, your publicity stunts disgust me

Published: February 28, 2013

Einstein once said stupidity has no limits and the famous quote stands equally correct if we replace ‘stupidity’ with ‘shameless-ness!’ PHOTO: IANS

Veena Malik, the infamous yet controversial star was recently exported to India. No surprise here, she broke the 108 kisses Guinness World Record set by Salman Khan and was able to win over 137 kisses on her hand in a span of a minute.

Veena had expressed her excitement over the world record and said that it would be a “huge birthday gift” for her. PHOTO: IANS

PHOTO: IANS 

However, while some may think it is a proud moment for Pakistan, I beg to differ. We didn’t need Veena’s cheap publicity stunt to set a record. This has brought little more than disgust to all of us.

However, it pleases me to say that this is not the only record Pakistanis hold. Pakistanis have made it to the renowned Guinness Book of World Records for far more significant causes.

Please read below to see some records that deserve attention and respect.

Academics

Muhammad Ilyas holds the Guinness World Record for being the Youngest Civil Judge. He became a Civil Judge at the age of 20 years and 9 months in July 1952.

The world’s youngest Microsoft Professional record had been preset by Arfa Karimin in 2005, which was later surpassed by Shafay Thubani, an eight-year-old, in 2012.

Ali Mooen Nawazish from Rawalpindi holds the record of achieving 23 As in Cambridge University A-level examinations. Similarly in 2011, Syed Zohaib Asad secured 28 A’s in Cambridge University O-level examinations, breaking the previous record of 23 A’s set by Ibrahim Shahid.

Sports

Fortunately, this is a popular domain for Pakistanis and we have secured many records here.

Amongst these is the unbeaten eight titles of World Open Squash Championship by Jansher Khan! Now that is a record worthy of praise!

Moreover, Pakistan also has the record of the fastest electronically recorded delivery in cricket by Shoaib Akhtar.

And who can forget the fastest century in an ODI by Shahid Afridi?

PHOTO: AFP

Mountains and Glaciers

Although this might be hard to believe for some but Pakistan is rich in its natural beauty.

Nanga Parbet is recognised as the fastest rising mountain which is growing taller at a rate of 7 mm (0.27 in) per year.

PHOTO: AFP

The Fastest Glacier surge was recorded in 1953 at the Kutiah Glacier which advanced more than 12 km in three months.

The Rupal face of Nanga Parbat, with a single rise of some 5,000 m (16,000 ft) from the valley floor to the summit, is another Guinness world record.

Miscelaneous records

A few other reputable Pakistani Guinness World records include:

• The largest flaming image using candles

This consisted of 35,478 candles and was achieved at the Hotel Serena in Faisalabad on December 10, 2009.

• The largest silver ring

This ring weighs 71.680 kg with an inner diameter of 2 ft 9 in. It was created by Amin & Company, and presented in Lahore on August 18, 2010.

• The longest graffiti scroll

It is 1,924 m in length and was achieved by Pakistanis in Sharjah Cricket Stadium on March 3, 2012.

• Largest human national flag

24,200 students in Punjab set this record for Pakistan by making the largest human national flag during the Punjab Youth Festival in October, 2012.

Photo: SHAFIQ MALIK/ THE EXPRESS TRIBUNE

• Largest human mosaic

A total of 1,936 Pakistani students set this record in Lahore in October, 2012. The picture mosaic was of the Shahi Qila (Lahore Fort.)

• National anthem singing

Around 42,813 people raised their voices to the tune of the National Anthem at the National Hockey Stadium in Lahore.

PHOTO: ONLINE

• Fastest time to arrange a chess set

This was achieved by Mehak Gul in 45.48 seconds.

• Fastest time to wire a plug

This was achieved by Mian Nouman Anjum in 37.8 seconds.

• Fastest time to make three chapattis

This was achieved by Muhammad Mansha in 3 mins 18 seconds.

Coming back to Veena Malik , given her boundless ambitions and “sky is the limit ” mentality there is a plethora of opportunities that could guarantee her multiple entries in Guinness Book of World Records, but she chose the most ridiculous one. It dismays me that Pakistanis have to resort to cheap stunts as so just to gain some headlines.

I want our nation and others to know that we are more than just this.

Moreover, I want our youth to continue to uphold the trend of securing honourable records, because as proved above, hum kisi se kam nahin! (we aren’t less than anyone else!)

 

ibn.azhar

Ibn Azhar

A Computer Engineer,an MBA and a Microsoft Certified Professional who loves to read and write.

The views expressed by the writer and the reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of The Express Tribune.

  • Pakistanian

    flawed comparison? Ibn Azhar all I got a say is, get a life and leave Veena alone.

    she is an entertainer, thats her job, she doesnt represent Pakistan in everything she does…….. invest time and write something better. thx.Recommend

  • Stranger

    Please dont censure her. At least she does not act like a paragon of virtue. If she does not do it , some one else will.Recommend

  • Nadir

    If she was a man, how different things would have been!Recommend

  • Haris Chaudhry

    So.. you are also cashing-in (figuratively speaking) and assisting the very publicity of Veena Malik !!

    It sounds kind of an oxymoron. You get disgusted by her but yet have to express your disgust in public by using her very name in the Blog headline.. just so a lot of people will read your blog (only because it has Veena in it).

    Enough said !!!Recommend

  • Adnan

    It is a record and her name is in the books.. so don’t belittle her achievement…
    If you can do some thing and show..Recommend

  • Anu

    Who cares what she does?? She is an attention seeker, let her be.

    We have far important issues and problems in hand. Recommend

  • http://gujrat RAW is WAR

    Dear Author

    if you hate somebody, do not speak about her. You make her more popular.

    Anyways, Veena is a live wire. Recommend

  • Pakistanian

    @Anu:
    thank you for making sense! unlike the writer of this well reserched article (!)Recommend

  • prince

    I personally know their familyfolks, father is of dramatic attitude , uncles have made suffer many through property exchanges………… No need to talk about others. Fate has rightfully blessed them.Recommend

  • tuba

    i dnt think Veena`s any act present Pakistan…
    whatever she does is her personal matter v r no one to advise herRecommend

  • Karachiet

    I fail to understand that why do we have to discuss Veena, Is she that important to us, yet what ever she does is her own act and no body can blame whole nation for it. So i think we just leave her at her own will and acts.Recommend

  • Stan

    She’s superficial but hot nonetheless, and I like a beauty with no brains.Recommend

  • Zubair Ali

    She is making a mockery of herself – not Pakistan. She doesn’t represent Pakistan, it’s culture and traditions (right or wrong), or it’s people. She is a one trick pony.Recommend

  • 3rdRockFromTheSun

    But seriously, leave her alone – she does not claim to ‘represent’ Pakistan. There are far more pressing issues in your country you should be concerned with rather than wasting your time on being ‘disgusted’ by the acts of a Bollywood wannabe.Recommend

  • aj

    hmm, nice reminder!Recommend

  • MUHAMMAD AWAIS

    ThakS to ibn Azharr Bahi For ShowinG real Side of PAKISTAN. MAY ALLAH BLESS HIMRecommend

  • winston

    Veena is a darling, leave her aloneRecommend

  • Muhammad Jawed

    Wow, great respectable achievements by Pakistanis…. I am proud of them
    Leave Veena aside, the word “respect” does not match with her…Recommend

  • Helloram

    she is hotRecommend

  • Acorn Guts

    I fail to understand the author’s point. How is largest crowd singing national anthem something to be proud of? IF nanga parbat grows by 7mm every year, what we as a nation have done to bless that occurrence? Youngest judge or IT specialist, ever heard of savants? every nation have them .. the whole pretence that ‘world records’ by individuals or mountains have any bearing on the whole nation is flawed in my opinion.Recommend

  • http://FrndsZone.com شعیب

    Like it, appreciate your thinking. Very well doneRecommend

  • https://twitter.com/Pugnate Noman Ansari

    Veena Malik, the infamous yet controversial star was recently exported to India.

    I think this should be infamous AND controversial rather than YET. Infamy already points to controversy. Recommend

  • sensible

    she doesn’t set the world record for sake of Pak. She said that “It is the part of promotion of my upcoming movie The city that Never sleeps”. So Mr. Writer how can you compare her to national records. Please do some research before penning anything.Recommend

  • Google

    Notice the false, ILLEGAL claims by Roots school + crooked/lazy newspapers on the above O & A level students! While their results are good, they are NOT Guinness Record Holders because Guinness does NOT include academic achievements. You’re all too dumb & gullible to bother fact checking and should be ashamed of yourself. Roots is more of a business than a school if it continues to promote, advertise and claim lies that reflect on the corruption and dishonesty of our nationRecommend

  • Nawaz Sharif

    Veena seeks attention. And you lot give it to her by hating on her. Who cares what Veena does or does not do. Unless she becomes the next sherlyn chopra, i really dont care about her. Recommend

  • http://gujrat Zalim singh

    I think Veena is a very intelligent women and the real fools are Pakistanis who are pissed off with her.Recommend

  • Ahmed

    Ibn Azhar I think you must have very boring life. Veena is a public figure and she has right to project herself as she wishes. It is her job. So please stop passing judgement about people. Live and let them live.Recommend

  • B C Das

    Azhar Sahib, why this fuss about a funny lady? Some people are enjoying her stunt in the pictures above, but others should be laughing at her. I am Indian and I am finding it funny. Better to laugh and forget. It is a great comedy.Recommend

  • goggi

    There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about…………..Oscar Wilde

    By the way you avoided to mention the only Oscar prize won from Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy. Do you know the theme of her documentary film for which she got this Oscar? Disgusting men with disgusting mindsets throwing acid at defenceless women! Miss Malik is perhaps a rebellion against such chauvinistic men of Pakistan and they are more then plenty. She is neither yours or Pakistan’s property or slave ANYMORE!!!

    Veena I congratulate you with one kiss at your 23rd birthday and I wish that you always remain 23 !!!Recommend

  • http://www.facebook.com/obaidulah.khan Obaid ullah khan

    Shame on her. She should be exiled after doing this NONSENSE act.Recommend

  • syed

    The more we discuss this stupid lady, the more we provide opportunity to her for committing such stupidities. So leave her a side and start thinking that how we can bring some laurels to our nation….Recommend

  • MA

    Raising your voice to the tune of National Anthem…how is this related to the “list of records to be proud of ”
    Why do we always have to bring religion into everything?? Just leave Veena Malik ALONE. Its her job. Besides, there are far too many issues in Pakistan that should be brought to light. Why not write about that and educate people about that? and bring peoples attention to such issues instead of just posting gossips and artilces about Veena. Recommend

  • Ali

    you dontlike veena malikx publicity stunt yet u want to cash in on her name by using it in your title. Which means there isno difference in you or her. Recommend

  • USAian

    I understand the sentiments of people who are against Veena’s bashing, but outright defending her is a tad ludicrous. There absolutely isn’t anything postive about what she does. It’s important to raise a slight voice against the stupid things she does which gives Pakistan and Islam a bad name. And yes, she DOES represent Pakistan. Anyone who would refer to her abroad will address her by ‘that Pakistani actress – Veena’. Ofcourse stories like this shouldn’t make national headlines but a minor blog about it does not hurt. Lighten up people!Recommend

  • Parvez

    Your profile Sir says you are an MBA, a Computer engineer and a Microsoft professional……….. and you wrote this ?………..mind boggling.Recommend

  • Noble Tufail

    so she made u write a blog dear Ibne Azhar … I think you have given her the importance way more than she deserves. Recommend

  • Enlightened

    Veena is from the land of the pure so she can do no wrong. A few months back somebody posted her nude photograph which she denied and this is one is also fake. All killings in Pakistan are done by its enemies because Muslims dont kill Muslims. Pakistan zindabad.Recommend

  • http://na sandy

    Actually her antics give pakistan hope – from sliding into a wahabi nightmare.
    My god – let her have fun and let people have fun – so what if so many people sang the national anthem –
    this is a woman who will live by her standards, no compromise. She is a national treasure – a woman who should be given the highest national honour for telling the moral brigade to stuff it.
    dont you realise her value?

    i would have 1 veena over 10,000 bearded, gun wielding persons swearing at Shias or whatever catches their fancy.Recommend

  • Reza

    There are many more unofficial records about international terrorism, sectarian killing, blasphemy and religious fanaticism on Pakistan’s name. Sadly, they are not recorded by guinness record guyz but only by Human Rights wings. I am sure they will be recorded ad proudly published when we have our own Ummah and we will lead the Ummah InshaAllah! Talking about pakistan women, search about Paki woman on net and you will find. I have lived in Africa, US and Eupore, and had a good time with many (even vield) panistani women. I am not siding them out, they are just like other human beings (let alone women). Humans have tendencies, and gender or nationality have no difference. What is indian origin Sunny Leone doing in Canada? But Indians are not ‘ashamaed’ of her. It’s hr life and let her decide. Who the heck are we to outlow somebody or be ashamed of somebody? What if Veena was a Man and kissed 100 Indian women? Hypocrates, huuh?Recommend

  • http://www.arwebzone.com Raza

    So, thats another stunt by that veena…Recommend

  • Khattay Angoor

    Dear Mr. Ibn Azhar
    We regretfully inform you that you were not selected among the list of candidates who would be present to kiss Veena Malik’s hand to make the new Guiness World Record. We had to draw the names of winning candidates from the thousands of entries. For the future, I would remind you that we only one entry allowed per candidate, and by sending 100 separate applications, your odds did not increase.
    Regards. Committee for Veena Malik World RecordRecommend

  • Ammar

    I’m waiting for the day she does Bukake!!! =)Recommend

  • Sundas

    @Acorn Guts:

    Impressed with your thoughts.Recommend

  • Pappoo

    @Ibn Azhar,

    Veena Malik neigther represents Pakistan nor she claims to, she only represents herself. she is a entertainer may be a cheap one like Poonam Panday of India.

    Pakistan is not known by veena malik around the world, people around the world know Pakistan because of TTP, LeJ, Mumtaz Qadri, daily bombing, target killing and above all Osama bin Laden and Abbottabad! write something about these ‘identities’ of Pakistan if you dare :)Recommend

  • Proud Pakistani

    goood blog :)Recommend

  • Skeptical

    Whatever she do….she represents Pakistan!! Lets call it a fate that she is known to be a Pakistani actress before she appeared in Big Boss!! She was a Pakistani artist and was invited over to Big Boss!! had she been a common person she would have not been there at the first place.
    So all this is not her personal problem…..it’s our problem too…..she is portraying a wrong image of our society. Enough said!!Recommend

  • Saad

    No matter what she does there, you have to agree that she has been consistently able to sell herself and gained attention.Recommend

  • Rakshinda

    Two words: Wasted blog
    She is a mature woman responsible for her own actions. Stop writing about her, it does not affect the life style Ms. Malik has chosen. Recommend

  • SheeshaDude

    Ibn Azhar now u have disgusted us with this very futile piece of article … So what if she is doing what she is doing ?? she is not doing anything for Pakistan .. its a publicity stunt and thats her job .. at least she is not going around spreading hatred, maiming innocent people, looting and plundering the country …. Its high time we point our cannons towards more pressing issues rather than an entertainer simply doing her job !!! Recommend

  • Vijendra Karacasia

    She is an attention seeker for sure, and here we go, we have made her publicity stunt a hit, 50+ comments already and more to come….Pathetic!!Recommend

  • http://gujrat salman

    @ SheeshaDude

    she ensured a world record for Pakistan. What is your contribution.Recommend

  • Morning Glory

    Good that someone highlighted the positive points too instead of just criticizing the wrong ones.Recommend

  • Maxwood

    Pakistanian

    Tum cha gay hoRecommend

  • Nitish

    @author:Stop chest thumping.That is bound to happen.India is growing and indians r economically strong now.You cant stop your girls anymore to fall for india and inidans .It was just a matter of time.Recommend

  • shahid balandia adv

    Who cares what she does??
    We have far important issues and problems in hand.Recommend

  • zahra

    There is another Pakistani world record by noori boori wali sarkar , for gathering one of the craziest cult following ever.
    Watch this epic funny video of “Harlem shake (noori boori wali sarkar)” on youtube !!!Recommend

  • Fazal

    why dont you bother to write about some very important issues in Pakistan? For sure things are not good at all here in Pakistan. In fact by your useless comparison above, you have added to the publicity of her stunts. Please leave her alone. she has chosen to do what she is doing. Why cant be secular in this country and that everything needs to be criticized just for the sake of doing it.Recommend

  • S

    Veena Malik is a good person. Don’t do this to her.Recommend

  • Sonia Wahab

    Dear author if your are so disgusted then do something to have her record removed from the Guiness Book. ORecommend

  • Zaid Hamid

    Leave her alone. She’s a mujahid send to India to win their hearts
    O hear! Kashmiri people we are coming.Recommend

  • SAL

    I feel bad as indians are are having a good time. Recommend

  • The Rebel

    @Nitish: ”India is growing and indians r economically strong now.You cant stop your girls anymore to fall for india and inidans .It was just a matter of time.”

    Umm…sorry to burst your fantasy bubble but let me assure you, no Pakistani girl is ‘falling’ or will ever ‘fall’ towards ‘India and Indians.’Recommend

  • Ameen

    Yes Ibn Azhar what Pakistan needs is yet another male telling women how to behave.. Not a woman who just does whatever she wants!
    More power to Veena!Recommend

  • Adil Uddin

    There are many people who say that let Veena do whatever she wants to and she doesn’t represent Pakistan. But have they seen comments by Indians on Times Of India website and other forums. I am not against Indian movies and channels but in order to get respect and fame in other nations there are many other ways too.I have read abusive words and titles used by Indians against every mother,sister and daughter of Pakistan after noticing all the tatctics of Veena Malik.I don’t abuse women of India,Afghanistan,Israel,USA,Canada,UK or any other country so do I have no right to get offended if someone uses vulgar language against women of my country?
    I am not asking Veena Malik to wear a burqa but what about women like Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy,Fatima Jinnah,Asma Jehangir and Fatima Bhutto? Did they pose naked in order to get attention and recognition?

    And many extreme liberals in Pakistan believe that every Muslim woman should either follow Farhat Hashmi or Veena Malik,and you shouldn’t disagree with Veena a bit since she’s the ideal and best role model for 21st century women of the nation.

    Veena did show an immature aspect of her career when she was teaching people morality and religious duties in Ramzan of 2012. So interesting is the fact that no extremist group targeted or threatened her but a teenager like Malala Yousafzai gets brutally attacked.Recommend

  • Ayesha Pervez

    Every saint has a past and ever sinner has a future. We all do things we cannot boast of in public but we hide them . Veena has the guts to do everything in public. I dont endorse her actions, I am no one to judge her. Recommend

  • http://expresstribune zohaib

    thts nice and decent article the writer says correct and absolutely right.Recommend

  • Enlightened

    Veena Malik was sent by Zaid Hamid wrapped only with a Pakistani flag for unfurling in India which she is doing successfully but getting exposed in this process. One has to pay a price to achieve ones desired goals and people of Pakistan should feel proud of Veena’s exploits in India.Recommend

  • alia

    i think veena malik is for india. Recommend

  • The Rebel

    Atleast Veena doesn’t claim to be a saint, nor is she walking around with a bomb in her hand blowing places up and killing innocent people. I might not support Veena, but I really do admire her for the guts she has shown to do and say everything in public, especially in an intolerable country like Pakistan where you get shot the second you voice your opinion and where women are treated like dogs. She is what she is. A strong and independent woman. Live and let live.Recommend

  • http://gujrat salman

    @ Adil Uddin

    So interesting is the fact that no extremist group targeted or threatened her but a teenager like Malala Yousafzai gets brutally attacked.

    Unfortunately Malala was in Pakistan ans Veena was in India. So Veena is Safe. Do you think Veena would be alive/safe for more than a couple of days in Pakistan?Recommend

  • Adil Uddin

    @salman:

    But Veena Malik keeps on travelling back and forth between India and Pakistan. Not to forget her show Astaghfar,I think it was recorded while she was in Pakistan, correct me if I am wrong. Plus I really doubt if any extremist group really wants to assassinate Veena, since despite all issues not even once any actress in Pakistan’s history was ever murdered by a religious lunatic. Plus Veena was in news for all the wrong or controversial reasons whereas Malala was for something better and progressive i.e. education.Recommend

  • Adil Uddin

    I would also like to say that hypocrisy does exist in our society too where our nation ranks first in terms of searching porn but there are people who abuse Veena. I am not saying that one must support Veena but the problem begins when she or anyone else brings the name of Islam in all this issue. Did anyone bring religion or faith of Kim Kardashian,Sunny Leone,Rakhi Sawant and Pamela Anderson into the picture?
    And does it sound OK when many Indians(mostly youth) mock and abuse every women of Pakistan on their forums? And later on it sounds really weird when they call Pakistan a nation full of animals and lunatics, and talk about civlized society; but at the same time question why there are disturbing rape cases in their own country too.Recommend

  • gp65

    @Ayesha Pervez: Agree with your post overall but it might have been nice if you gave credit to Oscar Wilde for “Every saint has a past and ever sinner has a future”Recommend

  • Desi Liberal

    Veena is love! dont you dare point fingers at her! She represents Pakistan she represents a strong and an independent woman. Others like Rape victims, Acid attack victims, women who have to survive in this male dominated society should be ignored but Veena! She’s a darling. Recommend

  • Dangermouse

    @Skeptical:
    Enough of you do just fine making idiots of yourself that make Pakistan the nation ‘cringe with embarrassment’. When a man does this its wow examples Imran Khan, Wasim Akram even the young pop star turned actor in India but your all hypocrites when a girl does the same behaviour and you attack, fill your column with rubbish. Veena is old enough to make her own choices she is doing this for herself and not the “com of Pakistan” so please enough already! Recommend

  • http://goodly_goodly@yahoo.com Cosmo

    Dude
    Why are you so angry??
    Venna’s act is not unlawful and does not take lives. Its entertainment and that her profession.
    Though, you need to do some soul searching and figure out why are you so angry on her. You got a lot of other things to worry about in your country. Do appreciate the achievements of your country but please do not do that by disparaging a woman. Recommend

  • Shahzad Gill

    A Cheap thinking, cheap mindset causes a cheap article. She does not claim to be the ambassador of Pakistan. She was or has not been sent by the Govt of Pakistan to represent the state or make records. She has made her own choices and let her be herself. It’s her life and she has every single right to live the way she wants to.
    You sounds like a pro TTP. You should get sick by bombs, killings, injustices, terrorists, not her. She is no terrorist or a killer. She is better than so called hypocrite narrow minded religious fanatics. Hats off to freedom of speech and right to life. Recommend

  • Shahzad Gill

    @The Rebel:
    absolutely spot on.Recommend

  • Shahzad Gill

    @USAian:
    As much pathetic as the author. Man there is a difference between religiously imposed moral ethics and representing a country. If she steals money and put in swiss accounts or if she does looting and plundering than she is shame for Pakistan. Whatever she does has nothing to do with religion or Pakistan. So is it a curse to be Pakistani that you can do certain things and others you cannot do just because you are Pakistani. sadly i smell TTP behind this idea of morality and ethics. Recommend

  • mujtaba soomro

    if she wants to do sumthin ,let her do it,its her life. and hopefully she will make more records in future. god bless her. none of our business to disgust her. go ahead vinni, give ur best shot in making recordsRecommend

  • mujtaba soomro

    keep it up, vinniRecommend

  • http://burjor@arcopassociates.com Burjor

    She and Rehman would make an ideal pair. The Khan’s of India vs the Maliks of Pakistan would bowl over any Twenty20 match between India and Pakistan. Pakistan would win. ( I hope so !!!)Recommend

  • Karachiite

    @sandy:
    true :pRecommend

  • Anon

    What disgusts me is the fact that while we are all here condemning Veena Malik for this ‘stunt’ of hers, we are all praising Ali Zafar for starring in that movie London Paris New York which need i mention has him performing explicit scenes.
    Hypocrites.Recommend

  • bushel and a peck

    I love that Veena Malik did this! She broke a record about kisses, I think we need to start celebrating love and not calling it disgusting.

    Why are we so disgusted by showing affection? I don’t think it is disgusting at all! I kiss my friends and family when I meet them, they kiss me back.

    Also, someone in the previous comments said that Veena is not representing Pakistan in everything she does, I agree, she doesn’t and she doesn’t need to; she is her own person. A lesser person would have turned their back on a country that criticises everything they do, Veena hasn’t, respect that. Recommend

  • Sab33N

    @The Rebel:

    True that :)

    I wonder why Indians are always under the assumption that Pakistani girls will fall for Indians when actually its mostly and always the other way round :P

    No offence but Pakistani guys are a lot hotter .. sorry Nitish!!Recommend

  • dangermouse

    @Sab33N:

    i dont know why your making an issue out of who is more good looking. the article is on this wannabe celebrity behaviour. so dont go off subject. Recommend